Sorry for being a day late to this. They were extremely misleading in their post. With all the misinformation going around I wanted to be accurate and fact based, even at the expense of being the fastest.

@rossjohnstone4689

Жыл бұрын

I think we would all rather wait a day than have an overy rushed video crab king :3

@Victoria-bh2ht

Жыл бұрын

It's better a job is done properly, than rushed out.

@wojciechniemirski1782

Жыл бұрын

Indeed, accurate and based.

@luciusrex

Жыл бұрын

i went slow and wanted to be accurate. still spews out misinformation lmao read the OGL, you didnt even need it to start with

@vespidolive741

Жыл бұрын

A good King who prepares his army thoroughly and slowly will always triumph or an impatient king rushing his soldiers at the last minute. I.E. I'd rather accurate info later than wrong info right now. Thank you Critcrab for keeping us updated and accurate, your Majesty.

Their "apology" sounds like something an abusive parent/partner would say. Shifting the blame and gaslighting.

@maxmercurythemm827

Жыл бұрын

Considering the kind of people that make up WotC staff, I'm not surprised.

@ShiningDarknes

Жыл бұрын

Should come as no surprise that an apology written up by _someone_ higher up their corporate ladder (or at least approved and edited by) ticks all the boxes of an abusive narcist or borderline sociopath.

@Khasym

Жыл бұрын

To me, it sounds like it was written by Yves Guillemont :-)

@Bardock059

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like my ex would do lol

@nickandres7829

Жыл бұрын

"Sorry you made me hurt you."

_"Second, you're going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change out plans. Those people will only be half right. They won-- and so did we."_ That... is the *most* stuck up thing I have ever heard a company release so bravely as a "positive" PR statement. They can go out of business tomorrow. That's the only fair way to treat such a statement to customers.

@benthomason3307

Жыл бұрын

That seems vastly disproportionate if you ask me. Those thousands of people loosing their livelihoods, including the underlings who tipped us all off about this in the first place. All because you in particular feel personally insulted. I'm not saying that WotC is in the right here, but _man,_ dude.

@alyssavanderklift9296

Жыл бұрын

@@benthomason3307 true, but i wouldn't be surprised if those tippers at wotc are already looking for other employment, seeing the writing on the walls at wotc. and the company collapsing is by no means the fault of lower level employees, it is fully and wholly on the suits up top at wotc and hasbro... it is those folks who are the ones putting employees jobs at risk with their actions, not the consumers saying 'f-u wotc'. to the employees, if wotc collapses, i would genuinely feel bad for them, but i think even those employees would agree it is not the community who cost them their jobs but the greedy bastards up top that did

@RadishTheFool

Жыл бұрын

It's also very telling that they go out of their way to emphasize how we definitely shouldn't think that anything was affected by making our voices heard.

@crankyeldergod709

Жыл бұрын

@@benthomason3307 That's the nature of large companies. The CEO decides to bet the farm on some wild-ass business strategy -- but it's not his farm. If this bet fails, the CEO still walk away with millions of dollars in salary or stock options (which were probably cashed out), while the rank-and-file get the bone.

@Khasym

Жыл бұрын

@@benthomason3307 I disagree. I'm sorry, but there are too few people making decisions with no accountability to their workers. if those workers want a safe and reliable job, they need to make clear to the higher ups, how THEY will be heading for safer pastures along with their customers. Corporate Workers owe their jobs nothing. No loyalty, no respect, no faith. Because when the time comes to gut a few hundred or thousand jobs to make sure someone with three initials next to their name keeps their benefits package, you can best believe no one on the high floors is going to say "But our workers stood by us. They supported us. We should do right by THEM."

Wanted to note that the $750k threshold was revenue, not profit. So they're going after you before you've even paid your employees, artists, or paid any bills. So it's even worse than many people realize.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

Worse, it also included capital... as in the funds required to actually _start_ producing what you want, if the person uses a Kickstarter...

@Poldovico

Жыл бұрын

Yet the rest of it was so bad, if that were the main issue, we wouldn't be having the conversation. You'd just pass that off as cost to the consumer, making everything more expensive and a lot of small projects less viable, but you could work, at least in theory. Reserving the right to more or less kill any project off for any or no reason is the even greater sticking point in the new text, and the greatest sticking point of all is the notion that the wording of the old license may be abusable to deauthorize the old version as a whole. If that proves true, or even if it remains as an unclear possibility, then it's as if the "kill off anyone, change the license anytime" clauses were already in.

@Lazrael32

Жыл бұрын

It was also written so they could change that number at whim.

@BearKnigh7

Жыл бұрын

Not to forget that they snuck under some fluff legalese the right to irrevocably, perpetually (and other damning legal terms) own your third party content/property to then be sold or republished and sold by DnD and Hasbro. They wouldn't add irrevocable to the good OGL but were 1000% willing to in a contract and license that basically gave them permanent rights to steal from you

@BearKnigh7

Жыл бұрын

@@Lazrael32 yeah, my buddy started a podcast called "Tabletop For the End of the World" and got me involved using DnD. Got me to reconnect with old friends and make new ones. So my blood boils to see subhuman parasite Corpo execs deciding there's money to be made from destroying and enslaving an entire community built on happiness and inclusiveness

Their "response" to fans just proved that they view the players and the communities that surround them as adversaries. The whole bit about who "won" just sealed that fact nice and cleanly.

@EvanAnderson81

Жыл бұрын

The communities are the in-between between them and the community's wallet.

@pinkliongaming8769

Жыл бұрын

An employee said the the CEOs view customers as obstacles to money

@literatemax

Жыл бұрын

These suits always tell on themselves by using "winner" language like this. They think that life is a zero-sum game despite all of human history's evidence to the contrary...

@anondabomb

Жыл бұрын

@@EvanAnderson81 Yet it’s a necessary in between, the whole reason they can get into the pockets.

"We got caught and we're sorry. We'll be sneakier about it next time." That's all I heard.

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

I heard it more like "We're sorry you got mad at us. Stop being scared of our new OGL"

@sklba632

Жыл бұрын

And I heard, "pdfs are downloadable and that's great."

@DoinItforNewCommTech

Жыл бұрын

YEP. They tried in 4th edition, they're trying in 5th edition, and they'll try again once One D&D rolls out.

@bigbillybeeable

Жыл бұрын

As principle skinner said “am I so out of touch?! No it’s the children who are wrong”

@PasserMontanus

Жыл бұрын

This guy gets it.

DnD horror stories but now it's the company as the "That Guy"

@CritCrab

Жыл бұрын

One horror story to rule them all.

@headphoneguy9086

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, Wizards of the coast used all flavors "That Guy": Gaslighting, Lack of self-awareness, well ackshually we are correct,trying to "win" D&D, and in general, saying offensive things to the dungeon masters and players.

@thenopequeen

Жыл бұрын

And claiming things that no-one was talking about, like a toothpaste that advertises itself as gluten free.

@lahlybird895

Жыл бұрын

A horror story indeed but I have faith in the future of the campaign. Because the orc is gathering a brand-new party ofadventures to take down the evil wizard college and destroy their empire of tirany If you stand behind the ORC your liberation will be granted now and forevermore

@PasserMontanus

Жыл бұрын

There's a verb missing in that sentence.

Yeah, the "afraid" thing really bugged me. There's no reason to be afraid about anything, because we can all very easily move to another system or write one of our own. We're not afraid, we're pissed off and disappointed.

@HmmWelp

Жыл бұрын

I think if I had to sum up my feelings for this it would have to be Thouroughly Disgusted, and not at all surprised. After magics 30 year anniversary how could I be?

"WotC, we are not YOUR community, you exist withing OURS." Hell of a line.

"We are not your community. You exist within OURS." Perfect.

@PasserMontanus

Жыл бұрын

Except it's 100% wrong.

@johnanderson3559

Жыл бұрын

@@PasserMontanus hm?

@MeCooper

Жыл бұрын

I think that right there sums up the problem with the OGL in the first place... That's a pretty insane level of entitlement... It's their product, Just because you like something doesn't mean that it's yours.

@austinmiller2170

Жыл бұрын

​@@MeCooper Not sure how to read this. Is the community entitled, or is WotC entitled?

@SendarSlayer

Жыл бұрын

@@MeCooper DnD is only big because of people who make homebrew or podcasts. Two things the new OGL would've stopped. WotC thinks they're entitled to our money, but their product doesn't meet out standards. And the customer is always right.

The "people say they won and we lost" paragraph is absolutely UNHINGED. It is shocking to me that they put that in the release. They could have phrased it in a nonconfrontational way, but they went for "it's us versus them". Absolutely insane. They could have just said something like "we all love D&D, there's no "us" and "them" as opposing sides, we all want the best for this game" after the first sentence. But they are being *directly* adversarial there.

@RadishTheFool

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, and this seems like a spreading trend somehow. Very weird. I wonder if many PR people were laid off during the pandemic or something. So many companies are suddenly losing their talents to lie and show their hideous petty true selves.

@ShiningDarknes

Жыл бұрын

I mean that other statement would have been a bold-faced lie and we now all know it.

@thekopekemaster

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiningDarknes well yeah, obviously lol. They aren't above that. My point is that they've given up any hope of trying to keep a friendly relationship with the community.

@PlanetOfTheApes999

Жыл бұрын

They let the mask slip. They've always been adversarial; they've only pretended not to be.

@Juju2927

Жыл бұрын

@@ShiningDarknes Yeah but at least, the most naive or positive of the crowd could have given them the benefit of the doubt, appearing as sympathetic can open the possibility of gaining sympathy back partially. But there, they just flat out double down on the fracture between them and the community. How someone thought it was a good idea ??

To quote the creator of the OGL 1.0: "If people thought that they could change it whenever they wanted, they'd never adopt it, and if no one adopts it, it's meaningless." With Paizo's proposal of the ORC, I can't see how Wizards can possibly move forward without self destructing. Either they drop this nonsense or Dungeons and Dragons will start to collapse, because as many people have said, it really isn't the greatest system ever conceived, it's just well known and popular.

@cypherusuh

Жыл бұрын

Even if they dropped the idea and fired exec who have this mindset, I don't think WotC could recover. TTRPG aren't as exclusive as other medium (for example, gaming console). D&D is huge, but there's still good alternatives and homebrew

@booleah6357

Жыл бұрын

I can see one possible way forwards for them though going down that road would be like throwing away a hundred dollars for a nickel on the ground. Basically they might be able to keep going by trying to go the mobile games route and tempt whales. If they succeed they could possibly get by without as big of a fan base. However like I said it's still a losing situation because without the accessibility the fans of the game who aren't willing to pay will eventually treat them like a mobile game and move on. Likely wizards and by extension hasbro will lose all the free advertising they had and therefore will probably spend more to make up for it all while their main player base starts to dwindle further.

@_B.C_

Жыл бұрын

@@cypherusuhwith AR right around the corner ttrpgs we’re about to go the way of the dodo anyway.

WotC checked all the boxes of being an abusive ex: ✅ Gaslighting ✅ Misdirection ✅ Apologizing for things that make them out to be the good guy ✅ Not addressing the real issue ✅ Not changing anything

@literatemax

Жыл бұрын

"That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it."

It's worth noting, on the NFT and hateful content thing, that Hasbro currently offer NFTs in their other IPs and the old OGL had a clause it in that allowed Wizards to shut down projects they deemed unsuitable (so that means they could have easily stopped hateful projects). Them citing NFTs and not wanting hateful content produced under the DnD umbrella is just them throwing a blanket over our eyes.

@readysetgameover9977

Жыл бұрын

Too bad for them it’s a invisible blanket.

@DHTheAlaskan

Жыл бұрын

More like a napkin

@CritCrab

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to mention that, but at the same time I didn't want to put blame on WOTC for something their owners are doing. It's still incredibly scummy though.

@Mephiston

Жыл бұрын

@@CritCrab you should have, since this was 100% a hasbro corporate decision.

@i5m1thy

Жыл бұрын

Didn't they also have an issue in the past where some officially released DnD content was blatantly plagiarised?

As somebody from another community that has been abused by Wizards: Keep fighting.

@KevinoftheCosmos

Жыл бұрын

yep. I know.

@cratorcic9362

Жыл бұрын

We should have listened to our MTG-Playing kin, but we were fools…

@Fdragon1337

Жыл бұрын

@@cratorcic9362 My MTG group has come to the conclusion that we will not buy current products. We will gladly just proxy cards until the company stops being fuck wats.

@MeCooper

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha "abused" ffs

@jingbot1071

Жыл бұрын

@@MeCooper Good shill. Here's 4 cents.

All I heard was "We're sorry you feel this way and don't care one way or another." The double speak they employed reminds me of people who shift the blame over and over again until they're finally caught and can't make the same tired excuse. Cry wolf enough times and the townsfolk won't believe you, leaving you to your fate once that wolf arrives truthfully.

To the lurkers at Wizards of the Coast: You might have power over the product, but you seem to have forgotten one teensy tiny little big detail. *WE MADE YOU.*

@namelessjedi2242

Жыл бұрын

We also don’t need them. The role playing game is not some product we must purchase, it is an idea, and we are all independently imaginative creators. They merely own two letter D’s with an ampersand between them. The game we play and the hobby of RPG’s is ours forever.

@niajhopkins

Жыл бұрын

Love the hades quote

@riccardozanoni2531

Жыл бұрын

also, it's 2023... piracy exists

@mitchmcginn4250

Жыл бұрын

@@riccardozanoni2531 excellent Hades quote!

@TheOneRioji

Жыл бұрын

This is wrong on so many levels. For one, you didn’t build the brand recognition for over 22 years, spent money on marketing or paying designers and artists, and you certainly didn’t pay to buy the licensing for the brand when it was seen as nothing but a nerdy game for stinky basement dwellers. Much as I hate WotC and Hasbro, the fans may want to take a step back lest they end up with no D&D at all. Stranger Things sure as hell didn’t name their monsters after Pathfinder. They used D&D for the brand recognition.

“The thought never crossed our minds” Press X to doubt.

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

No, I'm willing to believe they have never had a thought.

@maxmercurythemm827

Жыл бұрын

I ain't buying it. Tbh I never bought DnD stuff, but I stopped buying MtG years ago. You guys are having it real bad right now.

@djn6962

Жыл бұрын

@@maxmercurythemm827 I’ve never played D&D, I just linger here to shamelessly self promote a product I won’t discuss here.

@PlanetOfTheApes999

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, the fact they used such strong and specific language is very telling. They're trying way too hard to sound innocent, and it's obvious why.

@starmantheta2028

Жыл бұрын

From what I understand, the whole, 'hold complete, irrevocable rights to your content' thing is pretty basic EULA stuff, and has probably been used for dnd beyond for years. In which case I can see why lawyers could be blindsided by that, since it is regularly done. That's what makes the whole apology even more infuriating. They have one of the easiest outs, one of the easiest ways to say, "We made a genuine mistake. We weren't trying to be malicious," one of the easiest ways to frame this whole backlash as a misunderstanding as opposed to naked greed, one of the easiest ways to regain trust by pointing at a record of NOT abusing content creators that they vow to continue. It was sitting right there. But instead of saying any of that, the response instead leans into snarky pot shots and thinly veiled contempt. I honestly don't get it.

Don't forget that Hasbro sells Power Ranger NFTs and has talked favorably about NFTs. Don't let them use that as a safety net.

@KevinoftheCosmos

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@KevinoftheCosmos

Жыл бұрын

And I know they only care about racism insofar as much as being opposed to it makes them look like good guys. Same with Games Workshop. They care about money and only money.

I actually can’t believe they pulled the “You may think you won but I actually won too” literally a bbeg speech

@draconicfeline6177

Жыл бұрын

They are literally a BBEG

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

@@draconicfeline6177 Someone said in another video "None of my BBEG's sounded this stuck up."

@Sorain1

Жыл бұрын

@@Blueoriontiger Because it's so over the top players would roll their eyes. Meanwhile, real life gives us things like this.

A fascinating example of the tactics power can use to remain in power: Claim that the fight is over, and that the other side won, while you're still in power

@jingbot1071

Жыл бұрын

A tale as old as civilization. "Oh, curse you, dastardly southern Persians, you totally beat Egypt in that war. Ignore the Egyptian soldiers in your streets, they're just there as tribute!"

@namelessjedi2242

Жыл бұрын

We have not yet begun to fight.

@valentinmitterbauer4196

Жыл бұрын

Deserve nothing, ask for everything and settle for half of that.

Can corporations please stop pretending to be human.

@kyokusagani8869

Жыл бұрын

On the contrary, they are a group of humans.. all being dragged through the mud and forced to take the heat for their leaders awful decisions. Cynthia Williams REALLY needs to be booted because she's devaluing all of D&D, the game we and the DESIGNERS love.

@lautarogomez9711

Жыл бұрын

They will never. They will not stop till they reach the point of being the controlers of the nation

@TheVoiceOfReason93

Жыл бұрын

They never WERE. Their separate legal personality only makes them Human in a legal sense.

@lautarogomez9711

Жыл бұрын

@@TheVoiceOfReason93 exactly. They are machines, devoid of soul, humanity, self thinking and lacking reason to make them see the mistakes of their action. All because of Disney

@espresso_makes_depresso5905

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your input, kobold with 8 strength.

What pisses me off is that even if we hold the line until WoTC collapses. They and other corporate husks that call themselves human will blame the consumers, they will see this as a failure of getting "around" the customer and seek to find other ways to do so. They will never NOT see the customer as an obstacle

@eonmusic00001

Жыл бұрын

This is why if you can shop local you should. Everything with these people is about money and it is scary for the people at the bottom

@SeanStrife

Жыл бұрын

If they maintain that mentality... they deserve to go out of business, frankly.

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

@@blankspace178 Are you acting stupid on purpose? Nobody is complaining about the prices.

@Luckygame02

Жыл бұрын

I doubt Hasbro will let them collapse. Even if the fanbase does leave. Too many rights.

@madmintentertainment6268

Жыл бұрын

@@blankspace178 you can have a profitable IP without fucking over the people giving you money...... Did that GENUINELY not occur to you?

"every accusation is a confession" Such a way with word needed to be said

"It is insane to me that WotC wants to fight a legal war with a community they trained to read 500 page rulesbooks, and taught to be upstanding moral heroes." - Stephen Glicker, of Roll for Combat

@TheOneRioji

Жыл бұрын

Reading rules doesn’t equate to being an expert in law. Besides, they have far more money than anyone who would try to fight them. Owing court fees over something like this wouldn’t be worth it to anyone, and that’s what they were hoping for.

@buragi5441

Жыл бұрын

They can fight that legal war just by throwing money at it and bleeding dry their opponents. To them, a court case is the punishment.

Imagine building trust with a community for over a decade and then throwing it all away in a week.

@sklba632

Жыл бұрын

Meet the venture capitalist takeover leadership.....

@broke_af_games9661

Жыл бұрын

That's just how it works in all relationships (personal, profession, business) Have a 10 year romantic relationship and then get caught cheating Work side by side with a work partner for a decade and then do everything you can to get them fired for a week Trust and respect require constant upkeep, it never ends

@AlxParrish

Жыл бұрын

Mtg players would like a word

@mwhearn1

Жыл бұрын

We don't have to imagine anymore.

@ooofyikes7253

Жыл бұрын

*Warhammer Fantasy/40k players entered the chat*

I am staggered by how they brought up cosplayers and charity themselves. That sure sounds like them confessing that they HAD planned to go after those groups (possibly just for a tax write-off and not fees).

@conspiracypanda1200

Жыл бұрын

It's doubly weird when you remember pantomimes were in there, which some people speculated could have to do with Tiktokers dressing up and pantomiming to songs.

@professorhaystacks6606

Жыл бұрын

@@conspiracypanda1200 I thought that was called miming and pantomime referred to a particular sort of theater of the absurd popular in the UK at one point in time? I didn't mention that one as I wasn't QUITE sure what they meant there.

@zarthemad8386

Жыл бұрын

hey .. if they cant pay themselves and call it a charity.... why bother with the "charity" just ask the Clintons, Bidens, ... all CA Dems... a 3rd of the RNC .. etc etc.

@johnl340

Жыл бұрын

Anyone that can give them source of income they will exploit

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

@@professorhaystacks6606 They had a bunch of stuff in the leaked OGL 1.1, and it did include KZread videos and even VTT content. They basically stated that it had to follow a fan policy like Games Workshop, and they couldn't "profit" off of it. The OGL only gave protections to published stuff in "printed and digital hard matter like PDFs." They were fully getting ready to crack down on things outside of published modules.

"We are not your community, You exist within hours" has the exact same energy as "I'M NOT LOCKED IN HERE WITH YOU, YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME."

I never would have imagined we'd all be in on the biggest D&D horror story

@TheOneRioji

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think you know what an actual horror story is. This is just a licensing move by a company. Believe me I’ve seen worse go down in the world of business. Getting injured after working yourself to the bone for Doritos then having them stalk you to try to prove you’re faking the injuries so they don’t have to pay your worker’s comp, THAT’S a horror story.

@seanchan4478

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOneRioji oh, my bad... also WotC sent me dirty pics

@TheOneRioji

Жыл бұрын

Good for you. Keep them and use them to blackmail WotC so they don’t sell D&D to Disney.

Honestly I figured they would outright lie to us when they responded, but I didn't think it would be this bad. The last paragraph is just freaking incredible. The balls on these deceitful d-bags.

@Mac_Omegaly

Жыл бұрын

The whole part about "what scares you" is grade A+ Gaslighting making you accept that they are the victim and your reason for harming them was because you were afraid, not Angry.

@cratorcic9362

Жыл бұрын

What balls?

The whole part about how “your gonna hear people say that they won, but that’s not true. You won but so did we” is literally wotc admitting that they are an opponent of the community. If they cared about their product or the community it inspires we would all be a team but as it stands they’ve made themselves an enemy

@yurisonovab3892

Жыл бұрын

It's a communication issue. What they THINK they said was "listening to your opinions makes us better at our job". But they slipped up and said what they meant instead of the lie they intended.

@jaimytourigny3027

Жыл бұрын

Especially when they pretend 15 seconds later that they take all form of feedback to make the best outcome out of it, yet here we are with the least considerate PR ever written 🤦‍♀

@FiggFig

Жыл бұрын

sound like some kid on the playground trying to cope with being beat up

@cameroncarpenter9649

Жыл бұрын

Gotta love WotC being the shite DM who thinks they're playing against the players

@yurisonovab3892

Жыл бұрын

@@FiggFig Hardly. If you think they're feeling beaten, you're very much wrong. We've won nothing but a small amount of time until the public turns away from the situation so that they can stab us in the back. This is an attempt to make us trust them, not trying to cover a defeat.

"coincidental similarities" If you ever see a balloon-headed adorable goblin in D&D notify Pathfinder so they can sue Hasbro.

You are 100% right about "hateful content". I have been playing ttrpgs for years, yet I have never seen a "hateful" piece of fan content that is sold. It would be different if there was a rampant issue of "hateful" things being sold under the ogl, but there obviously isn't. The only reason they are saying that is to give themselves the power to take down anything they want under the guise of "we are just removing hateful content!". Have a module based on dwarves and elfs hating each other cause they each think the other cheated at some ancient competition? Wotc, even under this response, could just decide they don't like you and remove it cause it, by their own words, "triggers" hateful thoughts. They don't really care, they are just using it as an excuse to give themselves power to remove anything they want.

@namelessjedi2242

Жыл бұрын

That’s their language setting up the label they can use to shut down anyone they don’t like in the future.

@spinningpeanut

Жыл бұрын

Coming from a company that made slave monkeys that like being slaves. I think they're the only ones producing hateful content.

@cypherusuh

Жыл бұрын

"hateful" can be twisted by SJW, as some people thinks that race selection in RPG itself is form of bigotry / racism for some reason

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

Not just this, I had someone give an interesting take on this. It's not just the content; it's the creator. So if the creator isn't aligned like how WotC likes it, they can yank the content and say "the creator produces hateful content" even though the content may just be a kobold bestiary or something.

@SeathThePawn

Жыл бұрын

Part of D&D is all about being hateful! *Rolls up a ranger with a preferred foe, and takes the equally hateful weapon of slaying* Joking aside tho, It's nothing more than an excuse to screw everyone over.

“Oh we were just trying to stop racism and Crypto! You guys hate racism and crypto, right? Right?” Great strategy

@DousedInPiss

Жыл бұрын

and unfortunately it's things like this when corperations use "hateful content" and "discrimination" as a shield for their shadey nonsense which is why SO many people are instantly suspicious any time those terms (or those related to them) are used in other contexts.

@GlitchedVision

Жыл бұрын

@@DousedInPiss exactly, this is why I bashed them so hard for the "optionally not optional" changes from races to ancestries. I didn't like the messaging even though I think the change is overall good for making more interesting characters. I think Paizo handled this much more elegantly and to showcase this I'll give a sample of how a paizo exec and a WOTC exec would answer the same question, theoretically of course... Q: why has gender been changed to pronouns on the character sheet? WOTC: we're making our game more inclusive. Paizo: We actually have races with more than two genders, what pronouns would you use for a host gender? it's one thing to make a change and scream inclusivity/diversity, but it's a completely different story if you give actual reasons/advantages of the new instead of calling people bigots for preferring the old. Now, what's really funny is that they never updated the core book or srd with these new inclusive changes meaning if you want to see them you gotta buy the book, and yet they wanted them to be the new defaults instead of simply an optional rule change... I guess you only include the ones with money huh WOTC...?

@miaomiiao

Жыл бұрын

I don't hate rac~~ism 😳

@R.DeMora

Жыл бұрын

@@DousedInPiss Behind the corporation there is people, people that make the decisions and write those statements. You can bet there is someone, probably with blue hair, behind those statements.

@jackattack1806

Жыл бұрын

Is racism even a rampant problem in D&D community? I've heard of racist players but never racist content (3rd party or otherwise) and feel like it's an excuse.

Hasbro: we had to change the OGL so that we could stop people from making NFTs. Also Hasbro: makes power rangers NFTs

@emikochan13

Жыл бұрын

i don't think power rangers is under the ogl

@Dragonlover554

Жыл бұрын

The literal definition of "Rules for thee, but not for me"

This makes me want to run a campaign where a Wizard dwelling in a coastal citadel tries to amalgamate the local villages and towns into their empire, only to be stopped by the togetherness and cohesion of the local communities.

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

I'm not an expert, but this might actually make a good large-scale West Marches game. Adventurers have to go out, stabilize the towns, push back the Wizards forces, etc. Kind of like a full-scale war, without the full-scale soldiers.

@danieljpepin

Жыл бұрын

Run on a Paizo system, too, I imagine. :)

Perfect! Another company to add to my "it's a moral obligation to pirate from them" list!

@arandombaguette9320

Жыл бұрын

Arrrr a matey a pirates life is for me

It's like I'm reading a reddit post about a Karen being dragged through the mud and still strutting off like she's won.

Content creator: "This book contains three new races, one of which is always chaotic evil." Wizards: "This is EXACTLY the kind of hate we need to shut down!"

CritCrab, thank you for saying what I had been thinking, thank you for putting it into words. This isn't D&D's community. This is the TTRPG community. D&D is the biggest corporate interest, but it's hardly the only one, hardly the only system, and DEFINITELY not the owner. This is OUR community. And if D&D, or WotC, or Hasbro, gets toxic, we need to tell them to leave. They need us, we don't need them.

I can never understand how corporations make such dumb decisions

@EXXTSON

Жыл бұрын

Money

@Dreigonix

Жыл бұрын

They’re not dumb, they’re evil. This is EVERY privately-owned company, I hope you know. They know what they’re doing.

@bashamd96

Жыл бұрын

They lack the 2 brain cells needed to make proper choices and so assume any idea is good

@TurbopropPuppy

Жыл бұрын

such is the nature of capitalism fail upwards eternally

@FreedomAndPeaceOnly

Жыл бұрын

@@TurbopropPuppy Capitalism, Communism, Marxism, Anarchy - all just buzzwords. Greedy people trying to bruteforce their way through, will rise among all systems.

For anyone curious, in Pathfinder 2E all their materials are basically free online via an OFFICIAL archive. The only thing you'd ever pay for are PDFs and books if you want those rules in PDF/Book form, but Pathfinder 2E is basically completely free. Foundry's VTT also has an official integration of the PF2E mechanics, and it looks gorgeous. Lastly, you can play as an actual skeleton as an ancestry. No joke, bag-o-bones and all. It's awesome!

@Treeeboy

Жыл бұрын

And they have the best Kobolds and Goblins!

@alnu8355

Жыл бұрын

Okay but is it streamlined or is it crunchy?

@dungeonmaster217

Жыл бұрын

It's Paizo's time to shine. I'm honestly surprised how Pathfinder after 2E didn't outcompete DND. Probably it's just a power of the name.

@TheMortalMan

Жыл бұрын

@@alnu8355 Very crunchy. I'd describe it as the polar opposite of 5E in terms of design philosophy. Watch some vids and make up your own mind tho. Prepare for big numbers however.

@TheMortalMan

Жыл бұрын

@@dungeonmaster217 That, and I'd say D&D5E simplicity makes it extremely easy to pick up and learn so it's very noobie friendly with a lot of room to expand and add on your own stuff, change the rules, or disregard entirely.

This is by far the most terrifying and cringeworthy horror story shared so far! Thank you for the diligence and reporting!

This isn't over. Remember that they expect the community to treat this as the drama of the week and go back to routine. We need to prove them wrong. There is no victory until Hasbro gives up completely on their predatory practices. And I say Hasbro because this has been caused by the investors at Hasbro. I have zero doubts about it.

@Poldovico

Жыл бұрын

Isn't the boss at Hasbro the old boss of WotC? This isn't a "good guy studio forced to do bad things by the evil publisher" situation. It's the cartoonishly evil henchman who turns out to be even worse than the Big Bad.

@MechagirlSachiko

Жыл бұрын

@@Poldovico Well, the higher ups are in cahoots with the investors, no doubt.

@literatemax

Жыл бұрын

Follow the money...

Accusing your accuser of the thing you're guilty of is a defense as old as time.

@asheronwindspear552

Жыл бұрын

@Nix91 A Hasbro needs to be the collective noun for a group of Doppelganger's.

@goodpeople25

Жыл бұрын

@@asheronwindspear552 You might not want to interact with that usage of an anti-semetic dog whistle.

@KingNicotine

Жыл бұрын

@@goodpeople25 ...shove off. Regardless of where the quote came from it rings true when describing projection. We're not being anti-Semitic and "dog whistle" is a term for clowns desperately trying to associate something where it isn't to suit their own narratives.

@goodpeople25

Жыл бұрын

@@KingNicotine Not talking to you let alone whatever collective you are apart of.

@KingNicotine

Жыл бұрын

@@goodpeople25 ...considering I'm one of the people here...yes...you are talking to me and the collective I'm a part of. Also...my point stands firm.

Fixed version: When we initially conceived of revising the OGL, it was with three major goals in mind. First, we wanted the ability to prevent the use of D&D content from being included in hateful and discriminatory products. Second, we wanted to address those attempting to use D&D in web3, blockchain games, and NFTs by making clear that OGL content is limited to tabletop roleplaying content like campaigns, modules, and supplements. And third, we wanted to ensure that the OGL is for the content creator, the homebrewer, the aspiring designer, our players, and the community-not major corporations to use for their own commercial and promotional purpose. We realized this was mostly already covered in OGL1.0a and could have been clarified with just an addendum clarifying that the rights for movies and making NFTs was only for us and that the use the OGL could be revoked for groups that make hateful and discriminatory products. We would like to say that driving these goals were two simple principles: (1) Our job is to be good stewards of the game, and (2) the OGL exists for the benefit of the fans and that nothing about those principles has wavered for a second. The reality is the driving force was increasing our profit while making a very restrictive license and pretending it was open. The early copies of the new OGL included the provisions they did in order to coerce the third party creators we met with to sign a more favorable terms sheet and contract which were included with what we are now calling “drafts”. That “draft” language was not provided to content creators and publishers so their feedback could be considered before anything was finalized. In addition to language allowing us to address discriminatory and hateful conduct and clarifying what types of products the OGL covers, our “drafts” included royalty language designed to apply pressure to third party creators not to large corporations attempting to use OGL content. It was never our intent for this to impact our monetization negatively by the vast majority of the community. However, it’s clear from the reaction that we rolled a Nat 1 on both stealth and intimidation. It has become clear that it is no longer possible to fully achieve our goals while still not negatively impacting subscriptions to D&D Beyond. So, here is what we are doing. The next OGL will contain the provisions that allow us to be more subtle while pretending to protect and cultivate the inclusive environment and specify that it covers only content for TTRPGs. That means that other expressions, such as educational and charitable campaigns, livestreams, cosplay, VTT-uses, etc., may remain unaffected by any OGL update. Content already released under 1.0a will also remain unaffected as we would most likely lose the court cases by attempting to change that retroactively. What it will not contain is any royalty structure, that will be negotiated in private. It also will not include the license back provision that some people realized was a means for us to steal work. That thought only crossed our minds when looking through Etsy but not at DM screens or drink coaster dice trays of course. Under any new OGL, you will own the content you create. We won’t. Any language we put down will be crystal clear and unequivocal on that point. We don’t need to own it to repackage and sell it royalty free in perpetuity. The license back language could be argued that it was intended to protect us and our partners from creators who incorrectly allege that we steal their work simply because of coincidental similarities so that is what we are going to do. As we continue to invest in the game that we hope you love and move forward with partnerships in film, television, and digital games, that risk is simply too great to ignore. The new OGL will contain provisions to address that risk, but we will do it without a license back and without suggesting we have rights to the content you create. Your ideas and imagination are what makes this game special to you, and that belongs to you. A couple of last thoughts. First, we won’t be able to release the new OGL today because we need to rewrite it and try to allow time for this to blow over. We will continue to tell you it’s to make sure we get it right, but it is coming. Second, you’re going to hear people say that the community won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change our plans. Those people will only be half right. They won for now -and so did we because we believe you will forget this in a few months time. Our plan was never to solicit the input of our community before any update to the OGL; the “drafts” you’ve seen were not attempting to do just that at all. We want to always profit from fans who create experiences together that everyone loves. We realize we did not do that this time and we are sorry for that. Our goal was never to get exactly the type of blowback which we ultimately got from you. Any change this major should only have been done if we were willing to take feedback, that’s if we cared about the community - which we don’t. We love D&D’s devoted player’s money and the creator’s money who take them on so many incredible adventures. Don’t let us down.

@shinami3758

Жыл бұрын

It has been a long time since I've seen such a criminally underrated comment dripping with the raw essence of sarcasm and snark. Thank you.

@abisummers6789

Жыл бұрын

based comment, worth the read

@GeoRoze

Жыл бұрын

Honestly thought this was the official statement for a moment before realising it wasn’t and laughing so loudly I spilt my coffee from hysteria. I hate how at any moment they can just walk back their statements and there’s nothing we can do about it once that ogl drops. Fight on everyone, OpenOGL or Bust.

@zarthemad8386

Жыл бұрын

honestly this was too well written to be a response from them.

"you're going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change out plans. Those people will only be half right. They won and so did we." that sounded like a child "i dint loose....i win too :("

I came for the OGL dumpster fire and stayed for the wholesome ffxiv interaction

@yunogasai3350

Жыл бұрын

Wait THAT is FFXIV?! Shit, I might need to get into it if that's the case...

@coffeeandwaffles6706

Жыл бұрын

@@yunogasai3350 its pretty neat and it has a free trial until lvl.60, be warned that the start of the game is pretty slow lol

Not only has DnD nfts not been a problem, the original 1.0 ogl already disallowed them. Under 1.0 the name "Dungeons and Dragons", the ampersand logo, the images in the books (you know, things that can be turned into nfts) were all considered "Product Identity Content" and cannot be used in an ogl product.

@zarthemad8386

Жыл бұрын

actually US and International law already prevented that prior to the OGL. ..... they are just throwing BS at the wall to try to get something to stick

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

Well... Hasbro can make the NFTs w/o WotC's permission... In fact, they are the only large corporation I can think of that would take advantage of the D&D name... I just wish WotC can protect themselves from Hasbro. *Fake Cry*

Didn't expect this as Crab's newest horror story chain of videos

@williamdrum9899

Жыл бұрын

WotC has become the Level 99 That Guy

@1Ring42

Жыл бұрын

More horrifying than the airship

@maxmercurythemm827

Жыл бұрын

Bigger than Craig, Ross and the other names I forgot, were the guys running DnD.

@tarotsushima3332

Жыл бұрын

The WotC saga, like some sort of boss fight

@JacksonOwex

Жыл бұрын

None of us did but it's hear because suits are not smart enough to have predicted that they'd get this kind of backlash, or they just thought we were too stupid to understand what they were trying to do!

"we don't want large corporations to take control", said the large corporation in an attempt to take control

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

I talk to a family member who had no clue about this drama, but helps people publishes things in other industries. When I told them the bracket amount of the royalty requirement, they slapped their knee and told me that it wasn't just a random number; it apparently is super specific and has to do with a US tax income bracket. I'm not a taxman so I don't know the significance; but apparently this is something that authors DO worry about.

@crazydragy4233

Жыл бұрын

@@Blueoriontiger I suppose it makes sense from that perspective but when that amount is capital and not profit it's insane

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

@@crazydragy4233 No I agree; the amount is insane because you're basically paying your entire profit margin when you didn't profit. But the amount they picked *isn't* random, that's what I'm trying to say. This is a goal-post that non-roleplaying/tabletop authors (like fiction writers and Amazon eBook publishers) look at. It's not a thing they threw a dart and and rolled with.

Thanks to NotC and Assbro, it’s never been easier to be a major corporation! 😃

@dkat4500

Жыл бұрын

@@krek4774 well, if you look for wirds that sound like "wizards" you might be able to get a certain word that if you say you get cancelled

@steelmongoose4956

Жыл бұрын

@@krek4774 WotC is often pronounced as “Wot-see”. Pronounced with an “N”, it reflects the current company direction more accurately.

@alijoc

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been referring to them as Lizards of the Coast ahahahaha

@devporter7209

Жыл бұрын

Very good well done

Lesson #1 of abusing a monopoly: Make sure you have an actual monopoly first!!!

@valentinmitterbauer4196

Жыл бұрын

Well, they kinda wanted to do exactly that. Hence this whole kerfuffle in the first place.

@TheOneRioji

Жыл бұрын

Just wait ‘til this whole shit show causes Hasbro to sell D&D to Disney, since they didn’t even want to take on making content for it to begin with, and then everyone’s pissy because Mickey, Goofy, and Donald are now the only options for playable races.

@LOLWHATBRO

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOneRioji funny af

"We are not your community, you exist in ours." Spoken like a true king crab.

@DrCruel

Жыл бұрын

They bought a company that made products people in the gaming community might choose to use. They did not buy "the community" that everyone else "exists in." WotC services a community like a janitor services a school.

@adventuringwolf8517

Жыл бұрын

@@DrCruel Lel. Corpo Jannies.

@captainweekend5276

Жыл бұрын

It does seem like they've gotten jealous of GW's success and seek to emulate their business, not realising the very different relationship the community has with their product. Homebrew is not a common thing in the GW space, the vast majority prefer to play with official rulesets and follow the company's direction on how to play, albeit with the rules having enough depth that there is plenty of variety in the games as is. Basically WotC trying to position themselves as the "head of the hobby" similar to how GW does for Warhammer, without realising it's the last thing anyone actually wants.

@DrCruel

Жыл бұрын

@@captainweekend5276 Of course it's the last thing the rest of the community wants. Thus the surprize buttsecks.

@RogueWraith909

Жыл бұрын

@@captainweekend5276 They're also fundamentally different game styles. I recently looked into Warhammer and though it looks fun it is REALLY expensive to get into. One small box of miniatures can cost £30 or more and a single "hero" mini is about £45+, then bare in mind that to play the game you may need 6 or more boxes to form an army and multiple books for the appropriate rules for it... yeah... D&D is actually cheaper.

I love how they're like "we don't want big corporations using the OGL" while ignoring that stuff like Critical Role and Vox Machina aren't backed by big TV

Hey man, I would like to say, WotC changing the OGL is really good. I've only ever hovered around the outskirts of tabletop RPGs and didn't really know too much about any systems outside of DnD, Fate, GURPs, and Pathfinder. I've learned about so many other systems because of this though! Like, I didn't even know before that Paizo made a Starfinder, and I even prefer the sci-fi setting over fantasy! Me and my group have already bought the books and are learning Starfinder so we can switch to playing that. Thanks WotC!

"We are not part of the WOTC community, you are a part of ours, and you have worn out your welcome." PERFECTLY said. Good stories and fun with friends is system agnostic. My brother and I used to pass long car rides verbally playing theater of the mind games with no written rules - at 10 and 7 years of age. They can wither and dry out from lack of sales and we will still be throwing dice and cheering.

At this point, Wizards isn't shooting themselves in the foot... They're committing a massive exterminatus on their legs.

@localhearthian2387

Жыл бұрын

WotC employee: Ok, we might have a leg to stand on if we admit we overreached ourselves on the whole 'monetize our community' approach we had WotC management: I say we nuke those legs from orbit. It's the only way to be sure WotC employee: *facepalms*

@maxmercurythemm827

Жыл бұрын

I mean, they're unloading the whole clip. Like, we're beyond cartridge-belting-your-own-legs levels of stupid.

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

They put shot themselves in the foot, put their foot in their mouth, and then shot themselves in the foot again

@aethelfrithofbernica

Жыл бұрын

You know, GW did what WotC is doing now a few years back. Scooped up as many content producers as they could, sent cease and desist to those that wouldn't sign on, and did it all with the exact same air of arrogance WotC has now. But 40k, WF, and AoS fans didn't do a fucking thing. The vast amount of dope 40k content that was spreading over youtube came to an abrupt halt and GW got their way. I hope the DnD community has more strength and wields it spectacularly

@abisummers6789

Жыл бұрын

wotc "tis but a scratch"

"We are not your community, you exist within ours." I love that statement.

EXACTLY! The community CAN'T release supplemental products without a timeframe of years knowing the rules. How is anyone supposed to invest in a project if it can be ended at any time? Forget the emotions or how fans feel. They have logistically and mechanically shut off their own ip.

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

It took me two years to understand Chaosium's d100 and Pathfinder 2e systems, the only think of putting something out for 5e. Even had an online friend sit with me one evening and help me stat a few NPCs for a basic 5e adventure. I'm never touching or publishing for their gaming system, period.

“The listener back provision was only in case we got accused of stealing someone else’s work! :(“ But that’s not what the provision said. This is like putting in your lease that you have full rights to eat your roommates’ food and when confronted say ‘just in case any of us forget who bought what’ This is probably one of the more difficult horror stories to sit through. But anyone who cares about DND needs to.

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The provision basically said "You can own your food, but we have a right to eat and use it as we see fit for any purpose." The only way this helps them is "HAHA, little Jimmy here allowed us to eat his food because of the OGL! But he still owns it."

So, so very unfortunately, CritCrab remains a DnD Horror Story channel… that can now say it has live content.

The more you report on this, the more we see your journey to becoming a master fisherman.

this is them REFUSING to admit fault in ANY form do NOT give them your money until there is a REAL FORMAL APOLOGY and someone is FIRED/STEPS DOWN over this fuckup

The initial art on WotC's post was "Bar the Gate" a pic of a *Dragon* being stopped in it's tracks. It was shortly after changed to "Ecological Appreciation" something pretty and vaguely public-relations friendly sounding. Coincidence? Or was it a secret message from someone behind enemy lines telling us to stand strong, and when the corporate overlords realized what it was they changed it! And fired the intern. And are keeping him in the HR dungeons to torture with OneDnD playtesting.

@Blueoriontiger

Жыл бұрын

Might've been backlash the other direction. From the Tweets and videos I saw, people took it as WotC block the gate and "Keeping out the haters". They probably changed it when those types of comments piled up.

I'm just surprised they're being this brazen with their lies. They know we know better, so who the hell do they think they're fooling?

@maxmercurythemm827

Жыл бұрын

Themselves, and the suits giving them money.

@casanovafunkenstein5090

Жыл бұрын

Probably gunning for the casual audience who haven't been following the story as it develops. I've seen a few people saying that the changes would have only been with regards to removing hateful content and NFTs, even though they already had the means to do something about them under the existing license. It's actually a relatively small proportion of people who have been engaged enough to keep abreast of the developments regarding the leaked OGL revision, so they're banking on the broader consumer base remaining ignorant of the issue in order to allow them to control the narrative and paint their detractors as hysterical, even though their claim that this was a draft doesn't actually make sense because if they didn't intend for it to grant them ownership over independent work, even retrospectively for stuff released earlier, they wouldn't have written it into the revision the first place.

@ZedMazaus480

Жыл бұрын

When the mask slips this badly for a group this large to see the monster underneath. Its usually a big sign the group is crumbling apart to the point of no return. Remember what the nazis did to their officers when they were about to loose WWII? This isn't that far off I hate to say.

@TimoRutanen

Жыл бұрын

Lying is the way to do business today. You can see it all the time in the news - everyone lies and nothing happens. Some people will always believe it if they want to, and that's what they are counting on.

@Mac_Omegaly

Жыл бұрын

They think they are fooling everyone who hasn't canceled their subscription.

Friendly reminder that any good DM knows you can't control the players. They'll do what they want and you can't plan or predict everything. Sometimes, they'll just ruin the perfectly crafted world you've envisioned. If only WoC understood this, being one of the most fundamental constants of any ttrpg

"We are not your community, you exist within ours" is such a great response

Brian gang, rise up and don't let this be swept under the rug! We can't let them keep trying this until the OGL is made final

@wolfherojohnson2766

Жыл бұрын

Nathan Nation in full support, Brian Sir! We gotta fight like a hydra and come back In twice the numbers! Support Paizo’s ORC

@Karxy

Жыл бұрын

BRIAN GANG

@brgorham68

Жыл бұрын

Brian gang? Color me intrigued. Wherefore is this gang of Brians?

@Grizz.99607

Жыл бұрын

Are you at odds with the Ryan gang by any chance

@vindhallare783

Жыл бұрын

Yes sir, Brian sir!

The delusional company saga is getting pretty crazy, I'm getting more and more convinced it's a fake story.

@CritCrab

Жыл бұрын

It's definitely fake. No way the company is this delusional.

@treehugger0241

Жыл бұрын

@@CritCrab They say reality is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense. You really can't make this up.

@TimoRutanen

Жыл бұрын

@@treehugger0241 If any community can make this up, it's this community though!

This feels like the rogue getting spotted behind you, knife already in hand, going, "Oh, I was never going to surprise you with a knife in your back, I was going to tell you beforehand!'"

I'm glad you and dnd short have a spine to stand up and speak out

One of two things is true about that mention of charities and cosplay. Either they never planned to do it, and are using it as a smoke screen... Or they DID plan to do it and didn't tell us

Where the hell are they even coming from in terms of “ensuring inclusivity and dealing with hateful content”? DnD is the most inclusive thing I’ve ever seen

@Kyrieru

Жыл бұрын

Most people who say they want inclusivity pretty much just mean "Include what we want, or else." If someone plays DnD and finds a lack of inclusivity, they need a better imagination.

@DarkZergkill

Жыл бұрын

Also lets not forget that it is WotC official books which come under fire again and again for racist or at least questionable content, from the Hadozee in Spelljammer to the "Gypsies" in Curse of Strahd. If anything WotC has shown that they are incompetent to be trusted with that sort of oversight.

@Chraan

Жыл бұрын

Its corpo talk, its proof that whoever wrote it doesn't know what D&D is and thus comes up with something general.

@Mac_Omegaly

Жыл бұрын

Given that the rumors are that 6E will have no race relationships/hatred because they have bought into the falsified idea that the different races in fantasy settings are in fact allegories for real world races and cultures. So supporting any story of revenge against an Orc or Goblin rampage as an Elf, human or halfling is now racist and fobbiden content. All the races get along together in 6E. Or else. Also there was a report that evil and good characters will be getting along with each other better now too. So a lot of backstory root conflict options will have been eroded away, and the new OGL1.1 was to be wielded as a sword on anyone that wouldn't have complied to such a viewpoint.

@jingbot1071

Жыл бұрын

I despise when corporations do this BS. Not only is it a disingenuous assertation, but it makes other people who are actually fighting against discrimination appear trivial or dishonest. Daily reminder that Cyberpunk RED is available in hobby stores everywhere, and recently had a price drop. 😉

Damn man... I could feel your pain in your voice... I'm really sorry to hear and see how low greedy idiots can really turn and ruin something so great that was build with love and care for so long. But don't worry man. Your actions will speak louder than anything, and one way or another, you and everyone out there that really cares, will get justified for all this $h1#+ these "people" put everyone through. Don't lose hope, and keep doing you man. Until then, please stay safe, and stay well

@xeralexdragonheart3464

Жыл бұрын

And ty, for all your hard work in this community you have done.

WOTC is learning the hard way that the DM only has power when the players choose to stay at the table.

It's disheartening to know how much they actually hate us.

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

They don't hate us! They love our money to the point they lust after it!

@keungwan5901

Жыл бұрын

@@aralornwolf3140 Do thieves love you, or do they see you as an obstacle?

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@keungwan5901 , Hate and seeing a person (or group) as an obstacle _aren't_ the same thing. They may have the same long term results, but they are completely different motivations.

@alexinfinite7142

Жыл бұрын

@Aralorn Wolf if you can't tell they hate us by their condescension and their gaslighting, then you probably have trouble getting a beat on people. They hate us. They resent that we stand between then and our money

@aralornwolf3140

Жыл бұрын

@@alexinfinite7142 , *Sigh* My first comment was a joke... my other comment was me being a pedantic jerk. Sorry it doesn't amuse you. :(

As you said at the end, if that 30 day clause isn't gone that document isn't good. They could just reverse it all within 6 months down the line. We must stand strong friends!

@lorekeeper685

Жыл бұрын

They probably could try to even revoke the grace period too

Keep in mind that the Art splash they used for heading this article was from the DnD and MTG crossover card...."Bar the Gates". Tone deafness or some superchad trolling the execs? You decide.

I’ve never really been into D&D but wanted to try it. Seeing how unified the community is is absolutely insane and I love to see it

"Tis but a scratch!" "Just a flesh wound." "Alright. Let´s call it a draw..."

@vegeta6169

Жыл бұрын

"I'll have your leg" "RIGHT!!!"

I also recommend watching LegalEagle's analysis of the legal side of the OGL, them making a more restrictive OGL wouldn't stop people from making hateful content with D&D or D&D styled content

@rainraven9881

Жыл бұрын

Legally that's true, but you'd still have to prove you were on the right side of the law in a court. The whole point of the old OGL was that you were putting yourself under a more restrictive than legally necessary contract, but that in return WotC wouldn't try to sue you. If you're a teeny tiny indie company and you get sued by a gigantic corporation like Hasbro/WotC it won't matter that you're right. The only thing that will matter is that WotC has far, far more money than you. Even if you eventually win the case you'll be bankrupted into oblivion by the court fees while WotC's only spent what for them amounts to pocket change.

@zarthemad8386

Жыл бұрын

Legal Beagle is horrible.... ..

@maxxor-overworldhero6730

Жыл бұрын

@@zarthemad8386 Yeah, he's a filthy hack. Especially when it has come to politics, frankly. But that being said...

@LMF1716

Жыл бұрын

@@rainraven9881 Of course. The intimidation of legal threat is still a huge factor. My comment was more to point out that WotC's statement and actions are even worse when you consider the legalities of it

"If you build it, they will come. If you test them, you will fail" -The Playerbase

I'm pretty sure Paizo and Kobold Press are ready to go to court over the old OGL. All we need is for Hasbro to be told by a judge that they can't de-authorize OGL 1.0a. Or make the switch to Pathfinder. Paizo put "irrevokable" in their new license and they said they're going to give ownership of that license to a non-profit.

Wholesome interaction at 5:23

@MutelyMutel

Жыл бұрын

My favorite part of the video. A little hope amongst the bullshit.

@MaximillianGreil

Жыл бұрын

@@MutelyMutel FFXIV is the place to go if you want wholesome... except Balmung, we don't talk about Balmung.

@lukahcasshe6197

Жыл бұрын

@@MaximillianGreil Bung is pretty okay as long as you stay out of Ul'Dah.

@MaximillianGreil

Жыл бұрын

@@lukahcasshe6197 very true.

Not only is this the horror story to rule them all, it's even scarier because its still ongoing

What a hero that leaker was. They clearly planned to ambush their customers with this and then extorting their profits.

On first view i get vibes of something like this: Players: hey, stop eating our party snacks and baked goods We made those and it took hours to make. Wizards: well we bought the ingredients, but we won't touch the other food in the fridge. The party can still have the left over pasta.

don't let them feed you any line about who "won." No one's won as long as they retain the line about changing anything in the ogl at any time. This isn't over. Keep fighting.

@anthonyhuynh6380

Жыл бұрын

No one won, we all lost. We lost our trust in the company, and they lost us. For many people, no amount of backtracking will win them back now that wotc have shown their hand and who they really are.

@mimszanadunstedt441

Жыл бұрын

Even if they go out of business, changing the OGL is not a good precedent to send. That needs to be fought tooth and nail as well.

@willtollefson4746

Жыл бұрын

And watch as Wizards decides to just stop releasing D&D stuff. It's already not profitable, hence the change to the OGL. Everyone will be feeling like winners when they just delete D&D Beyond huh?

@Romanticoutlaw

Жыл бұрын

@@willtollefson4746 honestly? I really wish they would. We don't need them. We can just homebrew fan content to replace anything they would have provided. Tbh I only ever heard about dnd beyond when I heard talk of people unsubbing from it so it's far from necessary.

@willtollefson4746

Жыл бұрын

@RebelWinterwolf most homebrew is on it in some form or fashion, it would cause a lot of chaos trying to piece together old homebrews that aren't on some obscure forum

"[...] It's clear from the reaction that we rolled a 1." Oh, then it's of course not their fault. It wasn't a bad decision, they just had some really bad luck. It could totally have worked - but the dice decided otherwise and rolled badly. Yeah -.-

@Gamma_Eladrin

Жыл бұрын

Their role was a deception check

@namelessjedi2242

Жыл бұрын

I maintain they did not simply roll a 1. They acted foolishly and earned a TPK.

@dmschoice2571

Жыл бұрын

@@namelessjedi2242 Exactly! For me it feels a bit like: "A horde of 10 million kobolds? Well, I attack! ...oh, I rolled a 1 for my attack ...and I'm dead now. Awww man, stupid die..."

I started making my own game right when this started. Can't wait to test out something that won't ever be messed with with my friends

I call horse sh*t on that new OGL being an "early draft". Wizards fully intended to go through with it, and I'm sure they anticipated some people being mad. But they weren't ready for some × 20 number of people to be mad. They saw the money fan projects were making and after getting busted for printing cards in excess and selling them at price hikes they were desperate. Wizards wanted a cut of that money. And they wanted to hinder any competition that could best them. That's literally all there is to it.🤷🏽‍♀️

I've been primarily a Pathfinder player for years now, so whatever WotC does, it's easy for someone like me to think it doesn't matter since it won't affect me. However, not only are these actions possibly showing other companies what they can and can't get away with in this industry & hobby, but it also affects my fellow roleplayers who just happen to enjoy another system. So while I have no subscription to cancel, no buy orders to change, or campaigns to move, I'm still very much standing with y'all and following very closely. And, of course, if anyone wants help learning how to play Pathfinder or Starfinder, I'm around.

@mrcephalopod

Жыл бұрын

Given that this whole mess has pretty solidly soured dnd for me (I started DMing my first gang last year but now...), do you have any pointers on how to get started? I only really got into DnD because it's what my friends were playing

@TenchiFox

Жыл бұрын

@@mrcephalopod if you were playing 3.5, I’d just say to move to Pathfinder 1e and brush up on it a little bit. They’re generally so similar that they’re fully interchangeable with minimal effort. For 5e, Pathfinder 2e would be easier. It’s a decidedly bigger change, but the rules are simple and easily (officially) found online for free if you look up “aonprd.” Also, there are TONS of great long and short form videos here on KZread for helping going from D&D to Pathfinder. Roll for Combat had a great in depth Q&A lasting almost 3 hours to that effect just yesterday on their channel. Hope this helps!

@theokamis5865

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget, Daniel, you have children in your life, both your own offspring (for whom you added +1 intelligence to their character setup roll, no doubt!), and your other younger relations (nieces, nephews, and younger cousins), plus you and your adult friends when you want to play the most orc-ish games that existed before TTRPG's ever existed (Monopoly, Sorry!, Risk come immediately to mind)... ...and Hasbro has other targets to hit with boycott and disassociation besides D&D (for instance, may I suggest Mark Felton and Drachinifel KZread videos to replace GI Joe and Battleship, and Hayao Miyazaki films to replace My Little Pony?) I dabbled in D&D when I was a child (I think version 1!), and a friend of mine is doing DM'ing as a paid hobby, and I was going to participate, but after this brouhaha, I'm hoping he switches to non-D&D campaigns, or else I'll maybe eventually try Pathfinder TTRPG on my own...but I have other ways to NOT spend money at Hasbro, and I'm going to invoke ALL of them 😉

@christopheradams9173

Жыл бұрын

At least those game owners don't lie and screw over their community

@mrcephalopod

Жыл бұрын

@@TenchiFox thanks for the advice! I've only really played 5e since I'm pretty new to ttrpgs in general, so I'll give 2e a try

Grats hasbro, you did more pr work for pathfinder than 10 years of good will would do.

"We are not your community. You exist within ours." Fucking BARS. Honestly, that should be the mentality for every consumer product ever.

I think it has been pointed out before but I want to remind everyone that this "draft" had already been sent to vendors and I believe if I read it right kickstarted negotiated for a smaller fee and signed the 1.1 olg. So if that is true, they are completely lying about this being a draft and wanted feedback.

The funniest, most ironic thing about this whole scenario is that.....the community is doing all of this to *save* Dungeons & Dragons. I feel like, in a lot of the "community vs company" situations where the company is imploding their own game, the outcome is one of three scenarios: 1. the community gets the company to fold, and the game is damaged but (hopefully) salvageable. 2. the company ignores their community and destroy their own game. or 3. The company attempts to weather the storm and implement their actions when the voices are less loud and turn their game into a husk of its former self. However, that's not what's happening here. As Crab put it, we are not a part of their community, they are a part of ours. You could say that D&D and the original OGL is why tabletop RPGs have exploded in popularity and have gotten as big as they are today, but the RPG community can and will survive without Dungeons & Dragons, and by primarily targeting the content creators, the ones who grew D&D and have the most sway in the community, they have all but guaranteed their own downfall should the new OGL take place. What content creators are doing right now, by putting WotC on blast and refusing this "compromise," they are attempting to save the Dungeons & Dragons ip, because WotC need their content creators, but the content creators don't need WotC *or* the D&D ip.

@davidy22

Жыл бұрын

If content creators don't need dnd, just demonstrate it instead of trying to bail wotc's ship and move your content to pathfinder

@silenthound8116

Жыл бұрын

I think this is well said, especially considering the other paths this situation can take starting from here in this present moment. I really hope we see the 1st outcome happen instead of the 3rd. But until we see any improvements, I am keeping my access to the sources shared to me on my free account with Beyond and not buying any more WoTC branded items.

@KPX01

Жыл бұрын

@@davidy22 cant fault for people trying to save the thing that they love, at its core DnD and magic is a good game just run by shitty corporate nowadays

@davidy22

Жыл бұрын

@@KPX01 Pathfinder's basically the same thing and it's so easily interchangeable, it's not necessary at all to spend effort trying to cling to dnd when there's good alternatives you can immediately jump to

Just read the article this morning, genuinely deplorable how they can accuse their own fan base of the same things they’ve already committed themselves. A real shame too, 5e was such a huge improvement and had such a massive impact on people, bringing in new fans into the community. This is such a devastating blow to not only their reputation, but to the decades of love and community they’ve built. Sucks man

@lautarogomez9711

Жыл бұрын

You want my advice?, get a job. And see why you will never triumph at the end

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

@@lautarogomez9711 Bruh, this is a crit crab video about the new OGL

@lautarogomez9711

Жыл бұрын

@@genericname2747 and so what?. Dnd is dead at this point, just like videogames as a whole

@genericname2747

Жыл бұрын

@@lautarogomez9711 Video games are insanely popular right now

@Kyrieru

Жыл бұрын

@@lautarogomez9711 Go back to flipping burgers dude, nobody cares about your edgelord take.

Non-apology accepted, WotC shall remain UNFORGIVEN

You know, sometimes I feel bad about being a major pirate. And then the publishers do something like this, and it feels like the only thing I can do to actually show my anger since I wasn't giving them money in the first place.