45acp, hitting hard for 120 years!

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

It has. People often don't realize that the old 230 gr ball round was designed as a do it all round that had hollow point performance, with no hollow point.

@michaeldoe4805

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, you get the cross sectional area and penetration with a 45 round ball which most other calibers would be envious of. So why not?

45 tears larger deeper wound channel...& hits steel harder!! Nothing new here love the comparisons

Overall, an impressive load! Nice to see the .45 shine.

This channel should've have at least one million subscribers.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

Thanks. But people seem to think otherwise. One thing that does irritate me is when people make videos all somber "thanks for 100,000 subscribers, I had to work so hard over the past 6 months since I started a channel" all the while their content sucks. I been doing this the way it is to some degree on here since 2009 lol. But my channel does match more of the adult channels for time I started my channel VS subscribers. A lot of the older OG channels are like 150,000 to 300,000 subs like TNoutdoors9, Gunblast and so many others. To get to a million subs you have to do immature stuff, risky stuff which are often outside the parameters of gun safety.

@Kelly-oq9nh

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSamOr just ask people to subscribe.

@jimchambers7548

18 күн бұрын

Probably the most underrated channel on YT.

@curly__3

14 күн бұрын

​@@GunSamYankee Marshall says that he was offered sponsorships with promised subscriptions and youtube preferred recommendations at shotshow. I would guess he is not lying. I appreciate that you didn't go that direction. Your videos are actually helpful.

All 3 looked good. I'll stick with the .40.

You've come a long way from your beginning keep up the good work

That’s good performance, 45 auto hps can be troublesome but that ammunition is excellent! Thanks for sharing Sam.

Hi gun Sam. Awsome video. Im a 45 acp guy. The others work good too. Love my colt 1911. To each his own. God bless. And good shooting.

@user-wo2iw3kt8o

19 күн бұрын

Gun Sam the 45 definitely hit harder and moved the steel more.. no surprise to me. And 230 grn hardball will stop a bear. I love 45 acp. . It's the only semi auto handgun I own. I really like winchester white box 230 grn fmj.😊

Federal makes some good stuff.

BEST ballistics content on this platform. Thanks for sharing! 👍💪❤️

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

Thanks. Maybe not the best but I try to stay consistent.

@danoneill2846

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSam As good as any , Better than most !

45 ACP once again just getting it done better.

Great video, I carry 40 and have all confidence in it but that 45 performance is awesome. Love the caliper comparison using the same ammo.

Now, for my short comment. Thanks Sam for showing how good these ammos can and do work, even though Federal overated their speeds.

Thanks Sam! Dang! Seeing that .45 perform makes me want to get a 1911 - just to carry that ammo, lol! It will have to wait, though. My next gun is going to be a 686+ 3".

40 is the correct answer vs human sized questions!

@robwilson3749

19 күн бұрын

It's an odd day indeed when 45 is the correcter answer vs human sized targets but today my friend, is in fact that day.

@user-wo2iw3kt8o

19 күн бұрын

My vote is 45 acp. Shooting winchester xtp 230 grn hollow points. Man or beast. 😊😊

@robertlemaster7525

19 күн бұрын

​@@user-wo2iw3kt8o Winchester make XTP's now???

@ryanranard5187

19 күн бұрын

😂

@ryanzanow8221

18 күн бұрын

Let’s remember, even God chooses the .45acp. 😉

45ACP all day 😎

Great comparison and demo 👍

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

Thank you

I was curious about this ammo. Awesome comparison! Thx for the vid!

GS. Great video. Thanks for sharing. Take care.

Good to see 40 cal @ less than 180 gr & 45 acp @ less than 230 gr . They need more speed !

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

Unless, it's the Hydrashok 230 gr gr .45 ACP, like the original. For whatever reason that round does so well at 230 gr, at least in a 5" barrel. It runs at upper 800 FPS, close to 900. I'd say 95% of .45 ACP rounds that are 230 gr at 900 FPS fail to expand, but the Hydrashok always seems to stop at like 13" and expand huge. Lots of good street credibility on it too.

@deadmeat8754

19 күн бұрын

The Federal Hydra-Shok Deep 40 S&W 165 gr cartridge is under-powered. There are much better defensive loads for the 40 S&W.

Hey! Great bullet design by Federal. I've been saying for years the low grain high velocity "exploding" rounds like the Liberty Civil Defense need to have a small point in the center of the left over disc to keep the bullet going straight. Glad to see that concept put to actual test and proved that it does keep the bullet going straight.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

I went out and filmed today with some Underwood/ Nosler .357 Sig 115 gr rounds. Standard HP but it fragmented like civil defense, and the core went straight.

Awesome. Great ammo. I always think of Hydroshock as just version 1 of HST. Great stuff.

That 45 did so well. If I was still into carrying a big gun, that would be my load.

My favorite 'SCIENCE' channel👍🏻

I like my 40 caliber porridge.

Thanks for all your 💯👍 work!

Thanks, those are three calibers that I am interested in carrying. I'm very impressed by that .45ACP loading and how well it performed.

As always another great comparison! Thanks for sharing!

Thank you for this excellent comparison--great info & testing--yes, each seemed to perform VERY well:--Great job!

Thanks Sam. I always enjoy your videos.

@Moses1973

15 күн бұрын

Plus the 75 yard shots.! I'm pretty sure the sights block out the target or darn close.

Great test!!! Now I'm debating my hst and the deep for my 45.

thanks for the testing ...

.45 for the win 😂

@kevinrichardson8859

19 күн бұрын

Did you expect something different? Unless 357sig was a contender! 💪 🏆

@tristantimothy1004

19 күн бұрын

Ya, but whos gonna C.C. a 45? Especially when the 10s are better all around.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

@@kevinrichardson8859 I honestly did. I would say 99.99999997% of every .45 ACP load that exists worldwide, has a rated velocity of 900 FPS in a 4" barrel but actually runs at 302 FPS in a 47" barrel. There's something seriously wrong with ammo companies and why they cannot load .45 ACP correctly.

@exothermal.sprocket

19 күн бұрын

Yesterday I watched a video of a gentleman with a converted black powder revolver, 7.5 inch barrel, sling a boring ol' Hornady cowboy load 255gr 45 Colt down range at a whitetail doe. 55 yards. One shot. Estimated impact of 320 ft-lb (started at maybe 800 fps at MOST). Thing penetrated through and stopped behind the hide on the opposite side. Deer took a dirt nap. People must think you need a howitzer to do work.

@kevinrichardson8859

19 күн бұрын

@GunSam I totally agree...with all the chronographs and videos out now you would think they would step up their game..either way LOVE ❤️ how you do your videos...the chronographs and energy are relevant

As usual, great vid. Thanks!!

All did quite well. But I am a bit surprised the 9 didn't perform better than it did. All are a little "under-powered" IMO. But I can't argue with the consistency point. It is a good 45 option, pretty good 40 and ok 9mm. Appreciate the exposure of this option.

Those would all be good hunting rounds as well. Especially the 45. Thanks for the vids, Sam!

I am glad the Glock is functioning. Thanks for the video.

This is gonna end in a shot chronograph for sure

You do things in an informative and entertaining way. I would enjoy seeing videos with the Juggernaut box now and then. By the way my favorite part of every video is when you nail the target at 75 yards. Keep up the good work!

One of my favorite new gun tubers

@GunSam

12 күн бұрын

New? lol. I was here posting videos as far back as 2007, but people didn't watch for some reason.

@soqyu8872

12 күн бұрын

@GunSam I found you from your old videos, I meant recently discovered, not new tuber

Great video. I love my 40 caliber pistols.

Hi gun sam. Im rewatching. Because this video is just awsome. And pertains to me. Im a ruger revolver guy. Absolutely love my rugers. The only semis i own are both colt 1911. One made in 43 and one is new. Both 45 acp. Both are absolutely trustworthy. And both very accurate. I use 230 grn fmj, 230 hollow point. ,230 hard cast lead. I would trust my 1911. Any time any where. Both very accurate. God bless. 😊

I bought these for 9mm, 45 acp, and 38 Special.

Thanks !!!

Was using HYDRO SHOCK AMMO back early 90s was great ammo

Good stuff and cheaper than the HST.

Federal is pretty consistent about underperforming advertised velocities in pistol rounds, at least .40 which is mostly what I pay attention to. I know the bullets seem to perform well in general, but I lean toward other mfgs who deliver what they advertise. In 40 S&W that usually means Winchester Ranger or the true boutique ammos like Underwood.

Seems to a well developed projectile. The .45 is particularly well balanced!

Great test, all 3 did really well. Looks like it gave the HST a run for the money. Kind of Hydrashocking....

Ive been trying to get my local shop to get some of this stuff. I love ammo that has controlled expansion and good penetration even in 9mm. Thats why i really like critical duty.

Nice!

I enjoyed the video..as always Be Safe. Right now I own a 38 special because I can load and cock the barrel. Really want a 9mm easy lock and load

This appears to be one of the better 45 projectiles that I have seen. I also remember the same munition doing pretty well in 380. I’m disappointed that it never appears to be in stock at my local stores.

@PatriotPaulUSA

19 күн бұрын

I think its because, its basically the older version of HST. Store owners/buyers generally buy the latest ammo from each manufacturer. That is usually what folks come in asking for. Who says marketing doesnt work 😊

@garrettschienschang7898

19 күн бұрын

@@PatriotPaulUSA disappointing as it’s one of the few 380 rounds that consistently expands and penetrates in all tests I’ve seen

There's too many options for 9mm carry rounds to spend the extra money on these. The other 2 did quite well. Great vid.

Sam I just did my first ever ammunition test, even if it was a very basic one. 444 marlin handloaded at 2050fps starting at .430 and 300 grains ending at .855-.938 for largest and smallest measurements retaining 181.8 grains. 357 mag at 1250fps ended at .535-.561 and 82.8 grains starting at .357 and 125 grains. The rifle penetrated through four water jugs. The handgun penetrated through three judging On ammunition test I have seen with this handgun ammunition I would assume that’s the equivalent of about 15 inches of ballistics gel for the 357 and 20 inches of ballistics gel for the 444.

Hi Sam, I'm not a fan of .45 acp because of price, but this one really sings the song of my people, your 75 yards cluster is amazing and I think you could take this round to 100 yards.

Thanks for this video, very informative test. I would like to see a head-to-head 10mm and .45 ACP series of tests, with the 200 grain Speer Gold Dot HP that Roy Harrell just put a video on. Which is a 200 grain bullet at around 1000 ft per second or so. The reason is that both with the .41 Magnum (Skeeter Skelton and Bill Jordan) and 10mm (Col Cooper) the desire was for not ultra-hot but roughly, a 40 caliber bullet around 200 grains at 1000 feet per second. The idea being an "improved .45 ACP" that overcomes the .45 ACP shortcomings: baseball like trajectory outside 20 yards, lack of consistent hollow point performance, etc. while retaining the mass and momentum that make the .45 ACP effective. In other words, does that marginal 100 feet per second really give better terminal performance and "all around" shootability in terms of short and long, 10 yard to 40 yard performance which is no joke and something handgunners need to think about now. Threats both close and far away. I know .357 magnum will perform all around, but what if I want/need an auto loader for various reasons? I think such a test would answer a lot of people's questions. Is the "improved .45 ACP" really improved? Do you get shootability and better recoil management by downloading 10mm while keeping it "heavy" i.e. 200-220 grains over .40 S&W ? Were Cooper and Jordan/Skelton really seeing results in their own handloading? There are a lot of people who just have no idea of how hard it is to do what you do, so just ignore them. We are happy to see your videos, they always have some good information in real-world performance.

Nice video. Gonna try these cartridges in my carry pistols. Glock 36. 3.78 inch barrel and glock 26 3.43 inch barrel.

@GunSam

18 күн бұрын

I used to have a 36, I regret trading it in. I chose it over the 30 because of how balanced it carried. Nice and light, 7 rounds of .45 Auto is better than a lot of options

Honestly I'd pick the 9mm in this situation. Went in deep enough without over-penetrating both with and without the MDF.

Staying with critical duty in my full size 9 mm.😊

looks like they performed well ...

357 sig saves lives!

Great test. Would love to see the .380 version in some gel

@GunSam

15 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/pItmyattYJOdl5M.html

How far away from the gel are you firing your test shots? Apologies if I missed it. Enjoy the content, keep it coming.

@GunSam

18 күн бұрын

I have never measured it, but you can see me do it. Usually about 3 feet on average I would say.

SAM you should start Autographing the MDF with a sharper like labelling 9 40 45...that would be cool to hang in a gun shop etc. .40s almost always expand...and .45 don't shrink lol

great video Sam chronographs are picky that's for sure

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

People are dumbfounded by it. Like, it's turning into summer, there's more leaves. It's actually super dark where I shoot, but because I aim the camera the way I do, it makes it appear well lit out there, it's not. I have chronograph lights, that's all it needs, but they quit working. So I have to order the lights and decide whether I take a chance with getting more errors, or not release videos for awhile. One thing is for certain, a couple chronograph errors when I GOT the numbers regardless is nothing to sweat, yet some people lose their mind over it and disregard an entire test I did to hyperfocus on it. So much so it's all they comment about. I never understood that way of thinking myself.

@duaneridings6591

16 күн бұрын

@@GunSam You are correct Sam Where I shoot it's all open skies , And when I chronograph I use a 20-in x 20-in white piece of plastic to put over the other two white plastic shields to block out some light . Sometimes a breeze will come along and shake that piece of plastic and the chronograph will show error . The two of us are going from one extreme to the other .

I like the Fed Hyda-Shok 230gr HP .45. It performs well out of the short barrel Springfield XDs Mod 2. I judge my testing by no ftf's, recoil and if I hit the paper. lol. That's the extent of my scientific tests.

I am a fan of .45 ACP and have 4 pistols in this caliber.

dont know if you realized it but in Germany Mannheim there was a knife attack from a radical Muslim. He wounded several civilians and killed a police man. I was surprised about the stopping! He was very aggressive strong young and dynamic but dropped just from one shot in the stomach. I have seen another video from the german police where they also just needed one shot to stop the attacker. Than I had to think abut the US cops how much they often need to stop a thread and researched the german police ammo. They do use a very different ammo in 9mm. It has only 94gr bullet and its a solid hp with controlled expansion rated at 1368fps. Its from Men Defencetec called PEP 2. Maybe this ammo is better than the ammo the US cops use?

@briankeithwood

19 күн бұрын

In many cases, drug usage reduces the pain reception, amps up adrenalin, etc.

@Gieszkanne

19 күн бұрын

@@briankeithwood Adrenalin itself is a strong "drug" and pain killer.

@rogerwood5228

19 күн бұрын

What really sucks is that cop and that victim did not need to die if the cops actually focused on the man with the knife rather than trying to arrest the man who was being attacked while peacefully assembling.

I have been a fan of the .40 and this video just helped me love it even more

The 9mm is fast firing and controllable.

I would love to see some .45 ACP ammo tests from a short REVOLVER, like a 3" S&W 625-3 or the like. How does modern ammo compare in a grown mans carry revolver is the question.

👍😊

45 acp is my favorite ammo

The Marshall and Sanow Study found a negligible difference in stopping power between these three when using JHP bullets.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

The Federal Hydrashok Deep did not exist when that study was done.

@bobjones-bt9bh

19 күн бұрын

M&S showed that energy is what gives OSS probability, not caliber. At the same energy level, bigger bullets are better but size does not overcome energy

i like 40s&w .

Would u look at that. The old fud cartridge wins!

Seems Federal has improved the Hydra Shok with the "Deep" version. Supposedly new propellant formulation, improved core and "post" design, and deeper penetration through barriers. I'd say the velocity claims are a farse, but the performance overall was very good. I see they also have 38 Special +p in a 130gr. Wonder how well it would do...

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

I have tested it a few times. If I recall right, 3" and 4" barrel it did as good as this 9mm did, expanded well, penetrated about the same. I think there was some expansion failure with the 2" barrel.

@exothermal.sprocket

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSam The Hydra Shok Deep version? Or the standard HS?

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

@@exothermal.sprocket DEEP 4" = kzread.info/dash/bejne/ioZ_2ZSae7PLj7g.html and 3" = kzread.info/dash/bejne/pItmyattYJOdl5M.html

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

and 2" = kzread.info/dash/bejne/i6R8qKV9j5DXd5s.html

@exothermal.sprocket

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSam Thanks for the links!

You know I am on the side of S&W, but the .40 is one of the worst and best caliber, depending on who you're asking. That S&W cut the 10mm down to try to make the FBI happy, I think it was a sell out caliber. S&W is known for power, not mediocre. The .40 is mediocre. As for the speeds of this ammo, Federal does best on their standard ammunition but lies out their rears on the more performance made ammo. Federal makes good bird shot, good standard deer rounds, good handgun target rounds, and ok hollow points. These were surprising results, but still speeds were underhelming and very inconsistent. The only good thing was their ability to kill and there mushroom consistency. I knew the .45 was going to penetrate further. I don't think the speed difference from the 9mm to the .45 acp made it that much difference. The recoil could be the only bad mark on the .45ACP with some limp wristed individuals. I don't see the point in the .40. If you want a little more power than the 9mm, you go to the .45ACP. If you want more power, you go to the 10mm or the .357mag. The .40 should have never been in a conversation. It's like the FN 5.7. Both the .40 and the 5.7 are calibers made to kiss a government entities rear. Sure, they will penetrate and kill, but there are several calibers that do it better.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

I like the .40 S&W for the mediocre performance. It's because unlike 10mm often times, it will still run reliable if you limp wrist it, which I always assume I might do in a real world situation where I need to defend myself with a weird angle or grip I might have on the gun. Also, it fits in a smaller frame. I like the .45 ACP, but I have not personally had one jam from limp wristing, as long as it's not too hot of ammo. My girlfriend is 4'10" and small and can't run more than one consecutive round in a .45 ACP pistol without a jam, but for me I just prefer a good .40 S&W. I mean, most of the .40 S&W ammo I keep in the thing for defense is running at 450 ft lbs energy. That's not bad really.

@deadmeat8754

19 күн бұрын

Your opinion is your opinion, but it's not very informed. The original 40 S&W loading was the same FBI load used in the 10mm Auto, but with an optimized case and using a smaller primer. The benefit was the same power and performance as the FBI's 10mm load, but in smaller framed pistols and with an overall reduction in weight. The Federal Hydra-Shok Deep 40 S&W is a light loading. A standard pressure 40 S&W 165gr projectile should be pushing 1150fps from a 4" barrel, but the Federal Hydra-Shok Deep is only doing 1050 fps from a longer 4.25" barrel. The Federal Hydra-Shok Deep 40 S&W is just utter garbage that is loaded to training ammo levels, which negatively affects its expansion and penetration.

@iaintfraidofnowoke

19 күн бұрын

@deadmeat8754 the original 10mm round the fbi used was problematic for its recoil not for its size. Maybe you should get better informed.

@iaintfraidofnowoke

19 күн бұрын

@@deadmeat8754 and my opinion is my opinion. You're right. But, your story is a b.s. reason why S&W created the cartridge.

@iaintfraidofnowoke

19 күн бұрын

@GunSam Sam, I'm sorry, I know you said it wasn't a competition. The ammunition you showed did a great job. That was your intention. You wanted to show everyone who owned those calibers how well or not so well this Federal ammunition performed. Other than Federals overstating speeds and speed inconsistency, they all performed well, even the 9mm. I am not bagging on people who own a .40. My best man owned a .40 as his sole handgun. I should not have said anything because you were talking ammo performance and not caliber to caliber attributes. I just feel the .40 is just too close to everything around it to make it a strong contender. Of course, while I like the 45 ACP performance and 9mm performance (even though that's a German military round), I wish either the firearm manufacturers would update them or the ammo companies would spend more money in updating the powders and projectiles. But, at the end of the day, they all get the job done. I also keep forgetting that I wear a size 15 ring on my pinky, so anything, frame wise as well, smaller than a 45, is tiny. Sam, I also believe that if someone ever did cause you to have to get into a firefight, I seriously doubt you would limp wrist or fire from an angle you couldn't perform well with. You, even with your arthritis, have been training too long to not be able to follow through with the motions. You may or may not be a trickshot, but you're up there in superhero status with handgun handling and shooting.

Do they have that in 10mm?

@exothermal.sprocket

19 күн бұрын

Checked the website. No.

Every time I’ve had error three constantly popping up on chronograph it just met. My batteries were low.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

Not for me. Just replaced. Can I ask why you ONLY commented about a couple chronograph errors and disregarded everything else? Seems like an odd thing to do.

@garrettschienschang7898

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSam I commented twice, once for this another to talk about the ammunition. It may have not loaded when you originally read my response but if you check again you should see me remarking on this test compared to an older one and product availability in my area.

@garrettschienschang7898

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSam also i apologize if this came off as me disregarding or disrespecting your work as i hold your tests and opinions in fairly high regards. I was only attempting to give some advice that had helped me in the past.

Do 32 versus 38 versus 357 wadcutters

Bump

crappy velocities, anemic energy. lots of better choices out there. a 165gr should be moving 1140+. the .45 would have been good if it was anywhere near rated- these only performed passably in full-size or bigger pistols.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

I'd hate to be your waiter in a restaurant.

@deadmeat8754

19 күн бұрын

@@GunSam Especially if you were watering-down his whiskey like Federal watered down the 40 S&W 165 gr Hydra-Shok Deep.

The Federal 40 S&W Federal Hydra-Shok Deep is a _seriously_ under-powered loading. Even Federal's own basic 165 gr FMJ is pushing nearly 100 FPS faster from a 4" barrel. Given the unimpressive expansion of the 40 S&W Federal Hydra-Shok Deep, I wouldn't even consider trusting my life to this junk.For those who prefer Federal ammunition, I would recommend staying away from this garbage "Deep" bullet design using the Hydro-Shok name and go with the Federal HST in the caliber of your choice. As for me, Speer Gold Dot will continue to to be my EDC 40 S&W cartridge.

Algorithm

The Israeli army has stuck with the 9mm and 5.56 rounds for their ease of use and lethality. Sure there are hotter rounds out there but they go with the tried and true.

Most of us don't carry 5" barrel guns anymore. If you had done this out of 3" barrel guns, you would have had an outstanding video. I dub thee five inches and worthless - That's what she said!

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

Anyone who says "you should have done it this way" is required to link the video they have done showing it 'correctly'. Them's the rules.

@curt2742

19 күн бұрын

Nah, this is just as valuable info as a 3" video would be. It is important to know performance across a wide range of applications. He also briefly brought up duty ammo, which would imply a full size would be more appropriate for the test.

@GunSam

19 күн бұрын

​@@curt2742 I think some people think I am a professional lol, which I guess is a compliment, but in reality a person like me is working with not tens of, or single thousands of dollars per month. It's in the "hundreds" for total ad revenue. Buying several new guns a month and ammo and spending like 3 grand a month on gun supplies is what people think I can do. Again, it's a compliment but in reality I do 8 videos a month, mostly ammo and gel costs and where I am at with these 8 videos' supplies is like 90% of my revenue. I pocket like 100 bucks after the overhead, all while busting ass like 16 hours a week on these videos. So my point is when people are like "oh just do this" they don't realize this includes buying like two more handguns at $600 a piece, now I can't buy ammo. On the off chance I try to make it work by buying a $260 Taurus to get a barrel length that will work, then the Taurus malfunctions and opens a new can of comment worms. I just can't win!

@bobjones-bt9bh

19 күн бұрын

people carrying 3" guns are expecting to have to make a bunch of hits...aka, they're stupid

Hello Sexy Sam... I would like to know if there is a 9mm that is easy to load and pull back to load into barrel. I have a bad right arm that prevents me from owning one. Pull back to get into barrel is always too hard to load. Help me ifya can. Stay Sexy !

@GunSam

18 күн бұрын

I've heard that there's a S&W Shield EZ in 9mm, just like the .380 Shield EZ. Supposed to be easy to rack.

@GunSam

18 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIl5x8imnby2lZM.html

.45 all day, every day. Go big bore or go home.

Hi great video. I follow your KZread channel and would like to make a request. For the wrong reasons, today we have this "new" caliber in Brazil, officially launched by Taurus here last week. According to information from specialized personnel here in Brazil who have already analyzed the published technical characteristics, they describe it as a commercial version of the reloaded 9mm balistic characteristics, commonly used in IPSC competitions. It would be great if you, in contact with your supporters, and Taurus get access to both the "new" ammunition and pistol models that suit it for an evaluation. I honestly believe that this caliber could gain worldwide acceptance for a specific audience that has difficulties with the 9mm but wants something more than the .380. Kind regards. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_TPC