In this debate about apsc or full frame (which for me means Plaubel 13x18cm), one point is unfortunately always forgotten: which camera is the greatest pleasure to work with and when. For landscape photography I currently enjoy shooting with MFT. Gorgeous, almost no weight and wonderful focal length selection. After 50 years of towing, it's great to be able to walk with a light step. And the image quality is great too.

@beautgrainger147

6 ай бұрын

I haven't yet managed to justify taking my own Plaubel out into the field.. maybe one day

When digital cameras were first out most cameras made at that time were crop sensor cameras, pro photographers were using and making beautiful photos with crop sensor cameras because they understood the different factors that come into play to create such a photo. Subjects, lighting composition and exposure along with lens choice are what make a compelling photo regardless of sensor size.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

For sure.

@1maticsports675

8 ай бұрын

Well said 💯👍 I use my Pentax K7 more than my 6D

@DSP16569

8 ай бұрын

I think that the FF-is-better-than-Crop comes from this time. My first digital was a Fuji S2Pro (6MP, APS-C) - literally a Analog film Nikon F80 Body with attached digital backpack. Viewfinder was dark and tiny, Sensor technic was basic (no microlenses or the other new stuff). And you where stucked with old Nikon Lenses for analogue film and the first "Digital Grade" ones In 2005 I bought a Canon 5D (FF, 12MP) - Big viewfinder view where you could see even in darker situations what you are photographing. Yes the S2 with 2003 tec-sensor has visible noise from ISO800 and was halfway usefull until ISO1600 (but the noise started to get ugly). But the 5D wasn't better ISO 3200 was "H1" and noise was visible at ISO 1600 and even ISO 800. Same pixel-pitch, more or less the same state of technologie. But with "only FF" - Lenses for both APS-C and FF for some kind of photography (shallow DOF - Aperture wide open aka Portrait) the Crop - Effect takes place and the myth started. Later when the first extreme fast -APS-C lenses where available this Crop Effect could be compensated (DOF on APS-C with a 35mm f1.4 was more or less the same as with a 50mm f1.8 (ok in real a f2.0) when taking the same picture. But the 50mm FF 1.8 was available for $99 the 35mm f1.4 cost a lot more and why should I buy a expensive lens for a minor APS-C (myth is recalling)? Later in the mid 2000s to maybe 2015 the sensors get better and better but on the other side the Megapixel Race has started. That a APS-C Sensor with 24MP compared to the same state of the art FF Sensor with 24MP has smaller sensor pixel (theoretically half the size) and therefore more problems with high ISO ( Something the next evolution stage of Sensor often compensate) - Yes but mostly only visible for pixel Peepers (Oh my god this camera is trash - at 10.000% I can see 100x100 Pixel Blocks - Not useable!!!!!!! - Where is the fork - burn the factory). From maybe 2016 to 2020 the Pixel race stopped for a short time (because more pixel doesn't make the picture better - even worse it makes it worser) and when comparing a maybe 16-20MP APS-C with a 32 to 40MP FF the difference (also because better APS-C lenses where available) was close to "non existant. Additionally - in 2003 the typical output was a maybe letter sized or bigger print on paper. Today 90% of the pictures rest with 1-2MP on Insta or Facebook, and shrinking the picture also means shrinking the noise (and other issues). No need (for most hobby photographers) for 60MP+ FF anymore, even the 6MP of a Canon 10D (my second digital) would match the needed quality. But there is always the GAS (Gear Aquiring Syndrom) - My pictures from a brick wall are boring! - Must be because I do not have the best of the best that is better than the best ever produced gear! - That my pictures are boring, because test charts from brick walls are by definition boring and Ifor other "not boring" pictures my skills are not existent? - No I'm the best photographer in the World and therefore it must be the Gear - End of Discussion. 🙂

@1maticsports675

8 ай бұрын

@@DSP16569 Damn, well said 👍💯

@PsychedelicChameleon

8 ай бұрын

@@DSP16569 Thank you for this historical and almost "arms race" perspective! I'm a hobby-ist amateur photographer, gradually learning more and more about the technical aspects of photography alongside with the with the skills-set and artistic sides, and I'm constantly impressed by the beauty and clarity of photos that I can produce with my small crop sensor DSLR. Recently as I try to do more kinds of photography, including portrait and indoor, I am a victim of GAS when it comes to lenses. I'm buying used, mid-grade expense/quality lenses, and each new lens I get lets me produce different kinds of photos than what I've made before. In my opinion some of my photos quality rival those of professionally produced photographs with FF cameras.

I teach Avtech at a high school and I specializing in adobe premier certification. I preach this to my students. As a matter of fact your discussion and arguments are so on point they are going to watch this video today. The school system has the funds to go full frame we have FX3 at the school. I just bought my first actual cinema rig a few weeks ago. I am a teacher and just don't have the funds available to do full frame. I bought the fx30 for EXACTLY what you are preaching. Good job sir! Everyone in the camera market should watch this video. Earned a new sub for this video. Keep it up! as a matter of fact I am going to ask my students to subscribe to your channel your content on your channel like this is worth my kids subbing to.

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for your kind words. That’s really rewarding to hear.

@USGrant21st

4 ай бұрын

I still don't understand why would a school spend time and money on something that is a private interest of students. Schools should concentrate on science and engineering, any hobbies the students can do on their own.

@Repudiate

3 ай бұрын

​@@USGrant21st Horrendous take. It's about holistic development. We should give students opportunities to become more well rounded people. Arts and entertainment are arguably just as important as science and engineering. It's also helps in cross-disciplinary learning.

@USGrant21st

3 ай бұрын

@@Repudiate only st-o-o-pid people use the word "holistic"

@charlesjames9783

3 ай бұрын

This is a very complicated subject. Working distance has to be in the argument. When working outdoors Crop Sensors make a lot of sense. In small indoor spaces FF is much better. You have to bring perspective distortion into the conversation. Wider angle lenses add perspective distortion to faces and the human body. It’s why 85mm is a popular focal for portraits. 50mm on a crop body is 80mm equivalent but the faces will look different.

Pro optical engineer here…. My suggestion is that people analyse these issues in terms of the physical size of the aperture - the physical size of the hole in simple terms. For a fixed aperture size and field of view the amount of light entering the camera is fixed irrespective of focal length or sensor size. For a given sensor technology aperture size is the only significant factor that determines real low light performance- not sensor size. The depth of field is also determined by aperture size irrespective of focal length or sensor size. Let’s consider a specific example: a 50mm f/4 lens in front of a full frame sensor will give basically the same image as a 25mm f/2 lens in front of a m43 sensor - same depth of field and very similar image noise (for a given shutter speed and sensor technology). This is simply because both cameras have the same aperture size.

@gabedamien

Ай бұрын

THANK YOU. It drives me a little nuts sometimes how people compare apples to oranges, for example in this video the presenter compares a 35mm f/1.8 to a 50mm f/1.8. Those two lenses have different aperture sizes, which is the real reason for the bokeh ball size difference!

Bought an m50 a couple years back based on your recommendations and love it and have never looked back. This channel has helped me so much since. Keep pumping out the great videos.

@cefalloid

3 ай бұрын

So based on his recommendations you have bought a dead system camera with almost no lens available. Just great...

Almost a year ago i got Nikon Z30 with the kit lens and then added a 50mm F2 manual lens few months later. All of it was a total of 650 dollars. I am not a professional , just an enthusiast and just wanted to get into dedicated cameras. The thing is the jump in the image quality and versatility you get over a smartphone vs an APS C camera is way bigger than an APS C vs a full frame camera. and for what its worth most people would be better off with an APS-C system.

@foca2002

9 ай бұрын

I agree, I have the Galaxy S23 Ultra, my photos with this smartphone are as good as with my APS-C for Social Network posts, but the moment I need anything better I can just change the Kit Lens of my APS-C or simply change the apperture a bigger sensor is a advantage but not as big.

@karmatraining

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I experienced a very similar thing with the Sony Z body and some cheap-ish Sigma lenses, the pictures & video this combo produces are wonderful

@patoto1689

8 ай бұрын

The Z30 is nuts for what it is. I've used it in professional applications without any hesitation alongside other bodies. Enjoy, you can absolutely get stunning results

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

Why would people be better of with aps-c? The only benefit I see is the price and very slightly smaller camera body.

@nomanCyclewala

8 ай бұрын

​@@cyberfunk3793 price is everything. Full frame cameras and lenses costs much more than APS-C and dont forget that not everyone earns in dollars. 2000 dollars may not be much to the people in the US but for example , in india thats a significant amount of money for 90% of the people. All that said i am strictly speaking for non professionals. If your work depends on it then sure its worth it. but then again the price to performance is not justifiable.

Amen! I have heard soooo many times that my apsc cameras is no good and that I need to get a full frame camera. I am sure they were just trying to help, but as you mentioned, the price difference is HUGE! An excellent photographer once said, “the quality of the lens you put on your camera is what will make the difference.” Another said “the camera you have in your hand is what will be best for you. Make the best use of what you have and you can’t go wrong.” So, I’m happy for those who can afford full frame cameras and their lenses, but MY reality is that I’m happy with what I have. That, to me is what matters most. Thanks for the excellent and very informative video. Cheers.

I really like the clarity of your reasoning and your very down to earth and useful advise! Thank you.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

For many non-professional photographers, the full-frame issue is a matter of snobbery. Professionals have to earn a living, thus much of their gear will be the best going (in other words, in the majority of cases, full-frame). A large number of enthusiasts want to look "professional" - hence they buy a full-frame camera. I own both APS-C cameras and full-frame (one of which is an RP). I can't say there is a lot of difference in my photographs when I use an APS-C and full-frame on the same shoot. Another point is that It's not just "influencers" who diss APS-C cameras - many of those who comment below-the-line do, too. Issues unrelated to image quality in general favour APS-C/micro four-thirds. For instance, these cameras and lenses tend to be smaller and easier to carry around (as well as being less expensive).

@annoholics

9 ай бұрын

What is the difference between a professional who uses professional gear and an amateur how uses professional gear? Why is one being a professional and an other a snob? Is there a problem if somebody spends his own hard earned money on a hobby?

@ghjk193

9 ай бұрын

​@@annoholicsthere is not a problem in and on itself in spending money on a hobby if that's what you like to do . The problem is that the information space gets filled with half truths and wrong facts by people.

@annoholics

9 ай бұрын

​@@ghjk193 Your statement might be true but it goes in both directions. Let me explain. Most people that watch video's on the Internet about photography and video are not professional photographers or videographers and are not prepared to buy real professional equipment either. KZreadrs have of course the tendency to please their audience and telling all these “amateurs” that "their camera sucks and that they have to buy gear that is far over their budget" is not going to win them the popularity award. Therefore you should not be surprised when most video's about equipment on KZread is telling the viewer that the lower priced equipment is "nearly" just as good as the real expensive professional equipment. Still, overall, in general, if you spend more money wisely you get better performance in the end. There is not one big TV station that is using cropped sensor, cheap camera's or even phones, for their production. At the same time the KZreadrs, who are often very smart boys and girls, are telling their audience that you get nearly the same results with the cheaper camera's then with the more expensive camera's. At the same time, there are way more video's on YT about "new" gear then about rockwool and light diffusers like bedsheets and foamboards, This, while this can greatly improve your audio and video quality. This video was sort of correct up until the 7 minute mark where Mark Wiemels says that the cropped sensor camera’s are half the price of the full frame camera’s. Well, the same statement that not all full frame camera’s are outperforming the cropped sensor camera’s is also true about price. The cropped sensor camera that was earlier used to proof that cropped sensors can outperform full frame sensors is more then twice the price then the full frame camera (Sony FX30 vs Canon EOS RP) The same is true for price of the so called “comparable lenses”. If you want to compare cropped sensor lenses then you should take into account the crop factor. If you want to get the same picture with the same distance to the subject and the same distance to the background and you want the same amount of blur then you need a much bigger aperture. (lower f-stop number). These lenses are often not available or just as expensive as the full frame counterpart. If you want to compare two lenses where, one cropped and the other full frame, then you should have the same brand, within that brand the same quality (e.g. Sony GM against Sony GM), the lenses should have the same features (just as fast automatic autofocus, image stabilization, etc) you have to compensate for focal length as well as the f-stop, and if you do that then you will often find that there is no comparison possible or that you pay roughly the same price. But please proof me wrong with comparable cropped vs full frame lenses. I am really curious what people will come up with.

@maxx-er3fj

9 ай бұрын

​@@annoholics30mm f1.4 on crop frame and 50mm f1.4 on full frame will give you the same picture. Same depth of field becouse the image projected is (almost) the same, differences are minor in subject perspective but unnoticable unless directly compared. For the same frame(same image projected to sensor) and f stop, the depth of field will be the same. If you were triggered by his comment, I have bad news for you. You are exactly the guy who bought the full frame to look professional, as he explained

@annoholics

8 ай бұрын

@@maxx-er3fj The two pictures 30mm f/1.4 and 50mm f/1.4 will nog look the same. The f-stop is the focal length divided by the diameter of the lens opening. So if your focal length is smaller and your aperture stays the same, then also your lens opening is smaller. You lens opening is determining your blurriness of your background (or depth of field). You can put it in the extreme with a lens of mobile phone. Very small focal length, very small lens opening, hardly any background blur. Let’s just assume that you are right and there is no difference at all, why would anybody buy a full frame camera? Even professionals would not need a full frame camera because the result cannot be noticed according to you. Oh, and there is much more needed to make me look like a professional photographer then just a professional camera. 😉

Nice video! I would also be curious about the cost/benefit comparisions between APSC and Micro 4/3

I can’t agree more! One more factor to be mentioned here is the weight of the set (did I missed it in the video?). It’s something that really matters when you go out or go to remote lands. I use Fujifilm cameras and they meet all the requirements that I can have. In any situation. And I’m not obsessed with having “the best cam ever made”. I prefer to focus on the artistic side of photography. And yes, most of modern cameras are almost on par from the technical point of view. So, everyone can pick something that suits his hand better without making any trade-off, and this is really nice!

Another great video, Mark. I feel like most camera manufacturers have priced out most of the general population from purchasing full-frame. Thankfully, there are ton of wonderful crop sensor cameras and lenses on the market! I’m hoping Viltrox will make some of their affordable X-mount lenses available for other crop sensor mounts, but that’s doubtful. We shall see!

@BernardoSilva70

9 ай бұрын

I got their 75mm f/1.2 for e-mount and the image is superb

@M4Y0_

9 ай бұрын

buy used. There are great deals to be had. Especially when you get "older" glass. E.g. Canon EF lenses adapt perfectly to the R system and got really affordable, as lots of people are switching to the new lenses. I'm really happy with my EF L lenses, which I would've never bought new.

@mjsvitek

8 ай бұрын

The 75mm f/1.2 on M4/3 would be INCREDIBLE ...

True. Good review. Could not agree more. It is war of numbers out there. I own 3 FF cameras - then bought a Crop Sensor body for BTSs-type footage. I was more then pleasantly surprised what a quality that CS produces. Now, I use it in "real" situations without fear of quality compromise, and now I even mix them in post with my FF footage - and nobody can tell difference.

@peterjackhandy

7 ай бұрын

This is the comparison so many camera users are afraid to make: 4 of us shot a local 1-day music festival with full-on lighting fx etc. There was a Canon, Nikon, Sony (all ff) & my humble Fuji x-t. Of the hundreds of shots posted & in a blind judging, not one person found a consistent difference.

Thank you Mark, someone who is making sense in this debate. I have always felt a little inadequate with my APSC or Super 35 sensor (as I like to call it) with those who have spent big dollars on a Full Frame system. Quite honestly the results I'm getting on my Sony A6400 in both video and photography have been outstanding at a fraction of the cost. I have some amazing Sigma primes that are beyond my expectations. You are right there are some KZreadrs waving the flag of FF as being the step up from APSC and APSC being for beginners. Hopefully your piece will start the flow of common sense around this topic.

@harrison00xXx

8 ай бұрын

I mean its not wrong, i would also prefer full frame over APS-C but its just not affordable or feasable for my needs (much reach for wildlife at a budget) And the crop sensor and budget constrains also make some things impossible like owls in flight in dark forests. Thats where you need a expensive FF camera and a 600 F4 or so beside a lot of patience and camo.

@harrison00xXx

8 ай бұрын

I had once full frame for regular photography, astro on telescope or with fast prime lenses, night and street photography etc, just as basic camera. Also affordable somehow with leftover EF (L) glasses and a affordable Canon EOS RP. Totally fine for photography and "affordable". Especially 1.4 and 1.8 primes were amazing on full frame (and affordable!) and its hard to match a good 50 1.4 or 1.8 lens on FF! My 50, 55 and 58mm primes have become from general use/awesome lenses on FF to specific usecase lenses on APS-C, mainly portrait or low light on the longer end. Also, my telezoom (150-600) and supertele prime (800mm) are both full frame and i use them on a APS-C camera as some sort of "teleconverter". In some instances, especially with the 800mm prime i would wish often back full frame. But you also have to think about many not too rare usecases where full frame just shines: low light, astro, landscape. And the "double the price" argument is so wrong nowadays, many manufacturers have "budget" FF cameras, and basically all allow for adapting lenses, and most of them even allow autofocus. Im coming from Canon and EF mount, so i have not much knowledge about other Full frame systems and their lens selection and prices, but at Canon EF glass became already before RF mount affordable 2nd hand, since RF prices dropped even further. So FF glass is at least affordable in the canon world when you accept the advantages and disadvantages with adapting EF-glass.

@Bill-NM

7 ай бұрын

Nick crop sensor can/does look great and will be plenty good enough. But - FF will still look better. A person just needs to decide where they want to fall on the spectrum, and how much weight they wanna carry around, and, will their audience even care about any differences in IQ, and, most will not. So yes, crop sensor is a fine choice most of the time.

@nicedward7544

6 ай бұрын

Been shooting ff or 35 exclusively since film days and I'm actually contemplating trading in for apsc. Nowadays IQ and low light performance difference is negligible.

@harrison00xXx

6 ай бұрын

@@nicedward7544"Nowadays IQ and low light performance difference is negligible" absolutely! I mean sure enough with compact or bridge cameras with MFT or smaller sensor there is still a noticable difference, but in general modern, "better" APS-C cameras are at least as good as professional FF DSLRs some years ago which costed much more.

hands-down, one of the best videos I’ve come across in a long time you have a new subscriber!

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

Very kind of you, thanks.

Hi, it would be nice to provide info about fasr lenses for crop cameras in the description, as the links don't work. Not sure if that's because I'm not in the US, but none of the URLs works for me.

If you go analog large format, 4x5 or 8x11 inch negatives, the organic roll-off of the depth of field allows still identifying almost all of the environment while allowing pleasing isolation. The optics you use for that is usually a really basic formula, which also adds to the aesthetics of the final image. What went wrong in the bokeh wars is that the separation itself became the goal, and you end up with extreme separation where the background is unidentifiable, the same effect your phone now tries to reproduce digitally. In the scale of things compared to 8x11 negatives, crop or full frame are practically the same size and require similar optical trickery and limitations to create some separation. Obviously for full frame it'll be a little bit better but the difference might not be as large as every camera reviewer in the last 15 years seems to have tried to make people think.

@EdwardMartinsPhotography

3 ай бұрын

I shoot 4x5 and 8x10 film, and Fuji APs-c cameras. I've tried full frame a number of times and never saw any value in buying one. When I shoot 4x5 film, (or 8x10_ the image quality jump is dramatic. When I shoot a full frame camera vs my Fuji's, there's no differences at all that I can see for what I shoot. Except the full frame systems always seem to cost $8K USD... and that's with the "cheap" f4 lenses.

Well said. This are the reasons I love LUMIX MFT’s system. But, I wouldn’t call small sensors “crop”, more like sensors with crop factor.

Thanks for the explanation!!! Love your channel!

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

You are so welcome!

I just bought a Sony A7 III in addition to my A6500 (APS-C) that I've used for many years. Although I will keep my APS-C camera for certain purposes where it has its advantages (compactness for traveling or when you need very long range for wildlife photography), I'm blown away by the full-frame results. It's really a noticeable step up. When I'm shooting portraits outside with my Tamron 70-180 f2.8, the full-frame sensor really makes the crucial difference. At 180mm I'm still comfortably close to the object and the background gets so creamy as I've never seen it with my A6500 (although I have the Sigma 56mm 1.4). It's the small but subtle difference between nice and WOW.

@harrison00xXx

8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Thats exactly what he is (intentionally?) missing. As much i like my higher end APS-C body now (EOS R7, for wildlife and video mainly), its nearly impossible to recreate what my entry level FF body (EOS RP) managed to pull off with an older 50mm 1.4 Canon lens, my SMC Takumar 50 1.4 or even the newer RF 50 1.8 lens for compactness and ease of use as well wide open usage. At first i had this moment of "Full Frame Glory" as i watched some photos and wondered: "WOW! That looks great and so realistic, was that even my camera?" Turned out it was my loved EOS RP with the manual focus, vintage 50 1.4 SMC Takumar where i nailed the focus (rare event). Its basically impossible to shoot the same good looking image on APS-C, with much luck with a speedbooster you probably get close to it but it wont be the same for sure.

@set3777

7 ай бұрын

That is a stupid comparison. Since your APS-C camera is 24MP, you will have to prove that a FF Camera of 54MP (24MPx1.5.15) of "equal pixel density" is better than a 24MP (APS-C) camera. It is "pixel density" and not "sensor size" that is the issue.

@harrison00xXx

7 ай бұрын

@@set3777 I would say its more depending on the lens choice. To replicate with APS-C a 200mm 2.8 lens on a full frame camera you would need something like a 135mm 1.8, better 1.4 lens, this would give the same background blur. Same with for example 50mm 1.8 on full frame. To get the same look and DoF, you would need a 25mm F0,95 lens on MFT or about 35mm 1.4 (better 1.2) on APS-C If you have not noticed, he talks about the creamy background, in DAYLIGHT. The only unfair comparison he made was the same lens on FF vs APS-C. Which is inherently wrong to compare at all since as i stated already... different sensor size means different lenses, especially different focal lengths to be used.

@set3777

7 ай бұрын

@@harrison00xXx You are right. A Canon RF 35mm F1.8 IS STM Macro on a APS-C R7 will have the similar DoF and FoV as say a FF R6II with a RF 50mm f1.8 lens. (35mmx1.6=56mm)

@set3777

7 ай бұрын

@@harrison00xXx I won't be buying a Sony FF camera because:- Terushi Shimizu, Sony Semiconductor Solutions CEO said in 2022 that "by 2024, in just two years’ time - the image quality of a smartphone will exceed that of a single-lens reflex camera". So small crop-sensor smartphone cameras are going to be better than Sony FF cameras by next year? Sony said so!

I'm so glad you covered the cost differences. That's often ignored in these discussions in favor of just looking at on-paper performance or size/weight differences which, in real life, are often pretty minor. I recently got back into photography and had to make a choice of what ecosystem I wanted to get into. I ended up choosing one that is focused on APS-C for this reason. There was just no way I could justify spending so much more for pretty marginal IQ improvements.

@FeedScrn

8 ай бұрын

With my APSC camera, it would not record me in a video indoors in regular room light. It was basically unusable. I was forced to go to FF.

@hanns1401

8 ай бұрын

@@FeedScrn I've been experimenting with APS-C video in very dim indoor conditions - wood panel walls, natural light only via a small window for a 10x30 ft space). Cloudy day, 4k @ 24 fps at f/1.4, ISO 6400 or 12800 worked well and looks good to me. I do think FF would be *better* of course, just not "twice the price"" better for me personally.

@FeedScrn

8 ай бұрын

@@hanns1401 - If you can get it to work, that's great. Maybe share your techniques in a video... this can be valuable info for many.

@hanns1401

8 ай бұрын

@@FeedScrn No special technique. 24 fps to allow longer exposure times, fast lens, and a camera with decent high ISO performance. I should note that I'm not shooting fast action with eye detect AF or anything. It's a static scene, pre-focused. But the IQ is good. Or at least good enough for me. Runs circles around my old APS-C DSLR which can't reach the high ISOs necessary and is crippled by color noise. And again, I have no doubt FF would give even better results.

@FeedScrn

8 ай бұрын

@@hanns1401 - Good info. Thanks.

This video is very true. I've battled with camera brands with this myself. I remember when the Nikon z50 came out, it destroyed every camera brand in low-light, full-frame or otherwise, at least in my experience. And this is probably true to this day!

Great Content for Doc/vlog content. Would you recommend the Canon r62, Canon r5 or Sony Fx3? I also like to take pictures.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Personally, I would get the Sony, it’s a proper mini-cine camera. There is a good reason to you so many Sony cameras for docs and movies now, the results are great.

Is there a difference in hi ISO image quality between a Canon M6 mark 2 vs. Canon RP. I shoot my M 50 with EF lens. Thinking of upgrading. Both RP & M6 take the same battery that canon still uses in some of the R series cameras.

I think it all depends on how the sensor sizes are compared. With the same lens it might be a nice visualisation how the sensor size affects the image you get from a specific focal length, but when comparing FF to APS-C for example with regular zooms, for example on Canon a RF 24-105 F4.... you would need something like a RF-S version with 2.8 aperture to compare (Hint: it doesnt exist yet, all we have is the very old EF-S 17-55 2.8 IS USM)

@patrickcazer

6 ай бұрын

the only lenses i can think of aside from the 17-55 2.8 is the fuji 16-80 f/4 which is equivalent to a 24-105 f/4 or the fuji 16-55 2.8 which is a little closer to a 24-70 2.8

@harrison00xXx

6 ай бұрын

@@patrickcazer yeah equivalent in effective focal length, but not close to comparable in depth of field thats why a „fast“ aps-c zoom is 2.8 mostly (F4 FF look) which is „as good“ in DoF as the FF F4s

@patrickcazer

6 ай бұрын

@@harrison00xXx ahhh

Great discussion. Crop cameras have their advantages in focal length \ DOF for certain applications. Also, it gets complicated once you bring in speedboosters, regarding DOF. Id say people should be looking at what sensor theyre buying instead. Eg : A nikon z7 in DX mode is identical to a z50 file wise. So the full frame camera isn't really better than the crop.

Amazing video and really great information ❤

Very well explained. Will you please recommend a few good MFT active zoom lenses for the Blackmagic Studio Camera 4K Pro?

Great analysis. I think the only main difference that makes a difference between cropped sensor and full frame is the tonal range. If we exaggerate this comparison say compare to medium format we definitely would notice the subtle tonal ranges, very smooth transitions. But of course it also depends on what type of photography one is doing for this to be a factor. For something like street photography it’s not as important.

@Bocsaphoto

7 ай бұрын

Tonal range depends entirely on the image bit-depth (8-bit, 10-bit, 12-bit, 14-bit, etc). Nothing to do with sensor size. If by tonal range you mean dynamic range, then just say that; the latitude of information read by the sensor. Then in that sense, larger capture formats are generally better in terms of dynamic range.

Straight up facts, yet gearheads will complain about it then wonder why many apsc shooters photograph better images than they do. They’re to focus on specs. One of the two reasons why I shoot with Fujifilm: 1. The Colors 2. The Price Tag. Crop Sensor portraits/wedding photographer here and yet people love my photographs.

Love this, so many people need to hear it

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! I expect there will be some hate comments.

@ReachFilms

9 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels anyone that hates on this shows ignorance haha

Hey, thanks for this fantastic video. I planned to get an R7 with an 18-35 Sigma, but eventually got discouraged because of the S5ii which I can only afford with its 20-60mm kit lens. In that case the prices of both combos are identical. I wonder which one you would recommend for long format content and reviews, and a little bit of cinematics. I am a long term Canon user, have 3 of the bigger Canon batteries, an 18-55 EFS, and a nifty fifty EF lens.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

This is a little bit harder, as Canon is not letting 3rd parties make lenses for that mount. The R7 and the Sigma 18-35 would be a great setup. I would look the camera/lens combo, and just make sure you can get, and afford, what you need. The S5 II is a great camera, but I don't love the kit lens. The R7 with the Sigma 18-35 would give much better images, but the S5 II is a better camera.

@potbtech

9 ай бұрын

​@@markwiemels Thanks for this reply! I am still determining when I'll be able to get a 28-70 sigma if I go with the S5ii. And this will likely be the best I'll be able to get in the future. I also think that going that route would be worth it. By the way, I rely entirely on autofocus and the camera's control app, and I have 3 of the bigger Canon batteries. As I have other gear to invest in, which would potentially make me more money. Awesome channel. Keep up the great work!

As a life time photographer and someone who has worked professionally with digital cameras since 1998, I don’t agree with how the argument has been presented here. If you compare a Sony full frame with a Sony cropped camera of the same generation, you will see an obvious difference in noise levels both in video and in RAW stills. Add to this the complexity of comparing different resolution sensors (like the 12mp A7SIII/FX3) and the 26mp, cropped A6700 and ou will see another huge difference. I’m all for APS-C cameras for the size and price so I own both cropped and full frame but I favour my full frames for professional work, especially in low light. The annoying part with Sony APS-C is that people focus more on how big the grip is and creating F1.4-F1.2 lenses, that there is little size advantage to APS-C anymore.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

You must have skipped some of the video. Nothing I have said disputes what you have said above.

@AndrewVanBeekOttawa

9 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels no, but the whole point of the video is to demonstrate how there’s little advantage to full frame. There is nothing wrong with APS-C but the only advantage in my opinion is size and cost. Both of which are getting more questionable with the increasing size and push towards bigger glass.

@harrison00xXx

8 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels I mean he is not wrong, you tried to say they are very similar, but they ARE NOT. Your example with the 50mm on FF and 35mm on APS-C was already a good start where you literally proved yourself wrong.... you can get good 50-58mm 1.4 glass for less than 100$, show me a 35mm 1.2 for APS-C (better 0,95...) for 100$ as well? Especially with the 50 vs 35 comparison, the win for size goes even to the full frame setup since good 50 1.4s are smaller and lighter than even 35mm 1.8s for APS-C. My personal opinion is, if you are "just" photographing and do a little bit of everything or dont even know yet what to do.... go Full Frame if you can afford it. Dont mind modern lenses and adapt older mounts or even M42 etc vintage glass for much cheaper money. If you can not afford, go APS-C camera. But as soon you know what you want to do/are doing already, there should be no question if APS-C or FF is better anymore. Then the basic questions should be easily answered: - low light is a thing? Full frame if affordable, otherwise APS-C with fast 3rd party F1.2s or even F/0,95 lenses. - crop factor/crop/range is a thing.... you might lean towards APS-C or even MFT cameras, APS-C cameras are basically 1,5-1,6x Teleconverters, MFTs even 2x TCs. - lens choices... varying from system to system, you might have to pick your camera and sensor size according to the lenses and usecases you are aiming for! For me this APS-C vs MFT vs FF thing was never that interesting. I learned it the way as you read it sometimes in the comments here: "Date your camera body, marry your lens". I had APS-C for long time, but only because of budget constrains. But when it comes to glass.... i preffered a expensive, better 24mm full frame lens over the less sharper and worse APS-C counterpart. Camera bodies were for long never expensive for me (50-300$ 2nd hand), but i invested in good glass and NEVER REGRET this decision. Good glass holds its value, mostly APS-C glass is the "not so good" glass and lose a lot of value, so APS-C can be definately more expensive than full frame in the long run (even saw it personally at a friend buying APS-C lenses only and he lost more money than i even paid for my glass...)

@maverick_nyaa

7 ай бұрын

​@@harrison00xXxespecially for Canon RF users, they only produced 4 RF-S lenses so far, none of them is ideal for low light. If I have to buy RF lenses for full frame, then the price and size advantages are gone.

@harrison00xXx

7 ай бұрын

@@maverick_nyaa The main point of APS-C is anyways reach, at least in the canon world.

As sensor-technology, processors and RAW- converting software have made huge progress, I found that even a mFT- camera would do a very good job for me for any practical purpose. So I gave up my Nikon Z- full frame equipment and went do the awesome OM-1 with it's legendary Olympus Zuiko- lenses, some of them with f/1.2, which deliver an outstanding image quality. And I never looked back. Kind regards from Switzerland.

@Oncewasgolden

8 ай бұрын

Yep, I did this too. Good lens with a MFT is way lighter than either an aps-c or especially a full frame camera. This is a huge consideration if you are going to be carrying it around all day.

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

And I went the exact opposite way years ago and bought a D600 after I had earlier owned a omd em-5. The Olympus can take good pictures but the difference in noise levels is obvious. Even if I could have dealth with that, the dynamic range difference of over 2ev was the deal breaker and it seems that difference is still there 10 years later.

@KaniNarci

8 ай бұрын

Technology is so advanced that all cameras are pretty good. Invest in glass not the camera.

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

@@KaniNarci Well I can easily tell the difference between photos I have taken with crop and FF sensors, but I can't tell the difference between any lenses if the aparture and focal length are the same unless I really zoom in and try to compare to find the difference.

@markusbolliger1527

7 ай бұрын

@@cyberfunk3793 Many blind tests show the contrary - even well experienced and competent photographers couldn't tell the difference between mFT and full frame images, even when printed big.

Very good points in this video! I am amazed how some people think they "gotta have full frame". Especially people who are looking to lighten their kit switching from DSLR to mirrorless, or even from one FF mirrorless system to another! I did a little research for someone planning the latter, to find out they actually were going to end up carrying more than 1.5 lb HEAVIER kit. Instead I suggested they consider an APS-C camera with a smaller, lighter telephoto zoom, 100-400mm instead of 200-600mm, which would significantly reduce weight for them. I also ask people what they do with their photos. If they primarily share online or male modest size prints, they will see little to no quality difference from the smaller sensor. Personally I use both crop and full frame cameras... but I use my crop cameras about 10X more often (shooting sports professionally).

Thanks for this explanation and visual examples! Very clear and helpful to see comparison and the minimal differences in image quality in all aspects between sensor sizes. Cost, size, and weight of gear are also important considerations that are often overlooked. Thanks again!

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

Oh, Hi! I have watched a bunch of your videos in the past. Nice to hear from you. KZread is a funny best, they haven't served up your videos to me in a while, but a few years ago, they were suggesting lots of them. You have done some great work with the Fuji Stuff, really enjoy those videos. I sold off all my Fuji stuff, then missed it so much that I'm buying back in now.

@MSladekPhoto

8 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels Hello! Interesting about YT not serving you my vids in your feed. Just like junior high - I’m invisible 😀 Many thanks for your kind words - so encouraging and appreciated. Welcome back to the Fujifilm family! We missed you. Here’s to naming the videos we want to see in the world. Cheers!

One reason to spend more on the full frame body is that you can use old lenses on it. Those older high end lenses dont have to sit on the shelf. My old EF lenses actually perform better on my R6 than on my old 600D. The only drawback is the resolution when using old lenses. Add much better software and AF with eye detection and usb C on full frame cameras, I would still advice against older crop sensor cameras. Also the ability to spend more on full frame lenses in the future that will now work with the camera you spent money on. You spend more but you also get more.

@ianl.9271

3 ай бұрын

And the best thing about ff mirrorless is that you can use rangefinder lenses with them!

One thing to consider is if you want to use any manual focus vintage lenses. In that case you most likely want to go with a full frame camera that will preserve the original rendering of the vintage lens.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

This is true. Some still work well, but you are not getting the entire image charger that was rendered on film cameras.

@muttishelfer9122

9 ай бұрын

You can use a speed booster for full frame rendering with vintage lenses on APS-C or mft. I use the Zhongyi Lens Turbo II M42-Fuji X and it works perfectly fine.

@SchardtCinematic

9 ай бұрын

My first DSLR was a Canon T3i I bought way back in January 2012. I only had the kit lens. But still had my Dads old Minolta MD mount lenses and my Grandpap's Canon FD mount lenses. I used Fotodiox adapters for both on my T3i and was very happy with the results. I also got a 5D mark III in 2015 and had great results with it too. I know shoot with a Canon 90D and a Canon R7 and the lenses work great on both of them too. You do need to deal with the slight zoom in going from 50mm to 80mm but i can work around that unless I need a wide angle photo.

@dalrok

7 ай бұрын

@@CapraObscura I own a lot of these old Takumars, use them on my APS-C EOS 7d and FF EOS 5d II & EOS R. Esp. for portrait photography they perform very good on APS-C but way better on the FF cam, esp. my old Super 8-lens Tak 50mm 1.4. It also has much better image depth with landscape photography than on the APS-C cam. I think the differences on MFT (have no cam to compare) will be more significant because of the 2x crop.

@natrix

7 ай бұрын

Couldn't disagree more Dan. If you shoot crop sensor mirrorless, with a single vintage lens you now have the option with an adapter to get full frame +1 of light or an aps-c fov depending on what you need for the shot. So much more versatile, and you have so many more lenses to choose from because you can shoot full frame or apsc glass on a super35 sensor, but it doesn't really work the other way around.

Thanks again for the video Mark..I have a canon eos m50 mark ii im looking at getting the canon R8 for astro photography because it has time lapes built in..what would you recommend for a good lens for that camera would be..

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

The RF line up is pretty limited in wide lenses. I would look at the manual lens options, maybe something from Loawa. I don't do a lot with my RF cameras now, because of the limited lens selection, so it's not an area I have much knowledge.

@rossb84

9 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels Ok thank you for that ill have a look into them and see what i can find thanks Regards Ross

Great video, sir. So informative & educative 🙏🏻

Price was the determining factor when I decided to sell my Sony full frame kit and move to Fujifilm. The 5 year old a7 III still sells for $2,000 and only shoots 8-bit 4K 30. Whereas the Fujifilm X-T5 shoots 10-bit 4K 60 and 6K 30. If I had my pick I would have stayed on Sony and bought an a7R V but I’m not a professional photographer and I can’t justify spending $4,000 on a camera body. For less than the price of a single a7R V body you can buy an X-T5 with an XF 16-55mm 2.8 and Vitrox’s Pro 27mm and 75mm 1.2 lenses. That’s kind of a no brainer in my opinion if you’re not either a professional photographer or an enthusiast with no budgetary considerations.

@mikeali5400

9 ай бұрын

Bought an xt5 with a kit lens and viltrox 72 mm and 13 mm..I'm very satisfied

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Fuji's are my favourite to use, even though I mostly shoot Sony now, sill like Fuji the most.

Although two cameras may have the same number of pixels, say a 24MP APS- C vs a 24MP full frame camera, the full frame camera's pixels will be 2.3 times as large as the APS-C pixel. Pixel size affects image quality. Larger pixels collect more light. This means full-frame cameras perform better in low light situations. Also larger pixels also give full-frame sensors a wider dynamic range so they will perform better at high ISO settings.

@halokiller711

6 ай бұрын

digitalrev showcased this alot years ago when fuji was releasing X mirrorless cams

does this apply yo mft lenses and full frame lenses as well?

Thank you for this! Especially about the bokeh, a lot of people seems to think that ff bokeh is something that a crop sensor can not match. You can easily match, even beat the bokeh on ff with crop sensor, you just need to adjust the setup accordingly.

@paceyombex

5 ай бұрын

@@BrunoChalifour But then again you're comparing different lenses in that case

@marwinjacinto301

Ай бұрын

Unless ur comparing something like 50mm f1.2, you’d need a 35mm f0.8 at a 1.5x crop to get almost identical, which I don’t think exists.

@paceyombex

Ай бұрын

@@marwinjacinto301 0.95 existed and its close enough, will have a better low light performance as well, but your point stands, it's the wider angle where the FF will have an advantage over crop sensor

An important point that you don't emphasize in your discussion: if you want to get background separation (i.e. you want to shoot wide open on fast apertures), you are limited by the available lenses. To get the equivalent of 35mm f2 on APS-C, you need 24mm f1.4, for a 50mm f1.4, you would need 35mm f1 etc. For most modern APS-C systems, there exist no autofocus lenses with the required apertures. If you are going the manual route, you can adapt many beautiful lenses with fast apertures, but that means you are going to miss many shots. The situation is even worse for zoom: the fastest zoom lenses for APS-C have f2.8, which is equivalent to f4 on full frame.

@pcofranc

8 ай бұрын

And also cost - the full frame f4 will cost much less and weigh less than f2.8 full frame. On APS-C buying a lens that is one stop lower will add 50% or more to the cost of the lens (and some size and weight). Also, many small light f2.8 or f4 full frame lenses have come out that that rival APS-C lenses. Really, a chart should be assembled for Sony showing equivalent lenses that are matched for angle of view, and equivalent f-stop, size and weight. In the case of Panasonic - the fast lenses are $1500 to $2000+

@pcofranc

8 ай бұрын

I think a better way to view sensor comparison is as follows: 1. accept that for photos the image quality is *almost* the same. 2. APS-C naturally is better at telephoto and FF is better on the wide end and there is extra cost when you work against that by having to put more powerful and expensive telephoto lenses on ff and wide / faster lenses on APS-C. 3. Decide what is more important - birds and wildlife - APSC. Up close with soft backgrounds FF. 4. In general, go with APSC because it is lower cost for all around shooting if you don't shoot much in very low light or really need/want FF f1.4/1.2 etc.

@nevvanclarke9225

8 ай бұрын

Viltrox make 600 dollar 75 1.2....it's as 112 f2 ....thats fine 🙂

@natrix

7 ай бұрын

"the fastest zoom lenses for APS-C have f2.8". Not true my dude. Sigma makes two affordable f1.8 zooms, that are awesome.

@europlatus

6 ай бұрын

If you want to get background separation, there are plenty of lens available for crop sensors, and you just need to adjust your set up to get the results you need. This might mean standing in a different position or using a different lens to FF, but that's no problem. You're just looking at this from a FF perspective and trying to mimic the results, but that's not important to a lot of people. If you had used a crop sensor all your life, would you be constantly dissatisfied with the results? No, of course you wouldn't. You can get F1.2 AF lenses for aps-c now that give you all the background separation you'll ever need, and even with slower lenses, you might just have to position yourself differently.

Excellent points and video! Crop sensor is just as amazing as full frame. It's about how you use it! One thing I want to add about aperture is, similar to how you multiply the crop factor to get the full frame equivalent lens, you have to do the same with aperture. A f/1.8 lens isn't actually 1.8 on a crop sensor camera, rather, it's an f/2.7 (multiply by crop factor, 1.5). To get a true 1.8 you need to use a full frame lens that is 1.8 on a full frame lens camera.

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

Not really just as amazing. When you get into any more serious forms of landscape photography the sensor becomes important and the smaller sensors simply can't compete. Even if you could deal with the extra noise, the dynamic range differences often mean that you would need to bracket the shots on a crop sensor when on ff you could get away with 1 frame.

@SuperTonda1

8 ай бұрын

Not totally true. Only for bokeh and blurryness you need to multiplay the aperature. For light gathering its the same

@tauritaal

8 ай бұрын

​@@SuperTonda1It is. Smaller sensor and same aperture will result in less light stops. APC-S gathers less light and in order to compensate it, you should also go for faster lens that allows you to have lower ISO that is comparable with FF higher ISO.

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

@@tauritaal the aperture is a relative number so for example 2.0 aperture with iso 100 and same shutter speed will result in the same exposure on any size sensor.

@tauritaal

8 ай бұрын

@@cyberfunk3793 But FF has larger area and that equates to more photons so in reality it gathers more light and image quality will be better. Point is to get like 1.3 stops or so faster lens to make light gathering equal on both sensors. You cant compare FF and APS-C with f6.3 on both because they dont capture light or photons equally. If you use f2.8 lens on FF, get f1.8 lens on APS-C. While FF shoots f2.8 @ ISO2000, you get equal light and performamce on APS-C with f1.8 @ ISO800. Doing f2.8 @ ISO2000 on both sensor sizes will just make FF a winner because the playing ground isnt equal.

Clean video! Also what mic are you using in the beginning?

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Lauten Audio LS-208, it's a new mic for me. It's pretty spectacular, hand made in the USA. geni.us/SAQ4uk7

@AprilSamurai

9 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels ohh amazing keep up the good work

Excellent technical analysis. The people who view my photos neither know nor care about the camera equipment I use to produce photographs. I have yet to have anyone ask me what size size sensor I use. What is critical is the quality of my printing. Stop obsessing about sensors and just enjoy your work/hobby.

@jusrao7296

Ай бұрын

Camera, Lens & Lightroom (Today's era) plus a knowledge in good printing.. amen!

I certainly agree with your first point. I've settled on MFT and FF, because after using several cameras from about four different makers I've found that any advantage that APS-C might have over MFT is far outweighed by the smaller, lighter and less expensive gear in the MFT format. Only FF has enough of an increase in noise performance and dynamic range to motivate me to invest in a larger sensor. BTW, I wish when people talked about "crop sensors" they didn't only refer to APS-C. Micro four thirds is just a better balance of IQ with weight, size and cost than APS-C.

@michaelmorris1865

7 ай бұрын

I'm still shooting FF DSLRs but have considered MFT as a travel sized body, carrying 2 FF DSLRs with lenses, and tripods and any other gear you're packing definitely wears you out by the end of the day.

@nicojan

5 ай бұрын

​@@michaelmorris1865 look at prices on MPB, compare the size and weight and come on board. Used, a 25 mm (~50 mm FF) f/1.8 MFT is under $200, and a pro weather sealed 12-40 mm f/2.8 (~24-80 mm FF) is around $400. I'm so glad I chose that format as my foray back into photography, it's just so convenient that it makes up 10 fold for what you compromise for it.

@MacKingG

4 ай бұрын

​@michaelmorris1865 That’s exactly what I've done. I have an Olympus e-m1 Mk II that is weather sealed and just about perfect, and an Olympus E-PL10 as my anywhere pocket cam with the 14-42. Sometimes I wonder why I haven't done this before MFT is perfect to complement a FF or film setup.

@michaelmorris1865

4 ай бұрын

@MacKingG I love my FF and had a hard time getting used to mirrorless when I tried and went back to my DSLRs but I think I could get used to an MFT with an EVF for long backpacking trips.

@MacKingG

4 ай бұрын

@@michaelmorris1865 I felt the same way. 5d Mk3 as primary to this day, I have however been shooting film almost exclusively for the past 3 years and decided to try MFT as a cheap digital backup and I fell in love. As long as your expectations are in line it will deliver, it'll never be my 5D but I don't need it to be

Solid info. Though even Canon themselves nowadays make some pretty good FF lenses for very little money, RF 50mm f1.8 and 16mm f2.8 for only 200-300 eur/dollars each is pretty damn good deal for example.

@bigd7696

8 ай бұрын

Everything I've read says those lenses aren't great.

Good video. Most manufacturers never truly cared about their crop sensor lineup if they had full frame one. If they did most wouldn't need a full frame body because the lenses on crop sensor would be much better. That makes most of the difference anyway when it comes to comparable images between. I think bigger leaps would be made to medium format etc or smaller like 1 inch compact systems for casuals.

How does the ability/quality of a crop sensor (and full size sensor) compare to that of film?

Thank you for sharing! Wish I knew this a year ago before going 6k CAD, in debt, thinking I had to go full-frame or bust!

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

I’m sure it’s a great setup!

@PhatsoJuggalo806

9 ай бұрын

Hey as long as you enjoy it. cant take that money to the grave, might as well get something that will make you happy and maybe a little income

The factor of size and weight is very often overlooked in my opinion. The amount of bulk that a full frame camera + full frame lenses commands over a similar APS-C setup, is pretty signifcant, if not in the size of the camera, definitely in the size of the lenses. And that's really why it's important to use purpose-built lenses for the camera that you're using (only exception being for long zooms, using a longer, full frame lens can be a good way to get extra reach). To me, APS-C is in that perfect goldilocks zone, between the large and expensive full frame cameras that gather all the hype and the more compact options from micro four thirds that start getting in the "that sensor is too small" territory. Most of my cameras are APS-C, exception made of the Sigma SD Quattro H that is APS-H (why was this format abandonned again?) and the Nikon D700 which I treat kind of like a larger format camera that I only use to really take advantage of that larger sensor or the rendition of vintage lenses. Speaking of vintage lenses, full frame definitely the way to go with those if you're after the rendition of the image rather than the performance the lens can give you. If however you see vintage lenses as a way to get good quality glass for cheap, then I'd recommend using APS-C cameras for that. The reason is quite simple: back in the film days, lenses could be smaller, and that was for a very good reason : light rays didn't have to be corrected. The film was almost a perfect plane, and the photo sensitive crystals would get teh light no matter if the light came in straight or at an angle. That changed with digital: light does not go on a perfectly flat plane of focus : they come at an angle, that grows more acute as you get closer to the edge of the image circle. On the other hand, pixels are like little wells. There is a micro lens that focuses the light on a photo diode, but there needs to be space for that, and the photo diode is quite a bit lower than the micro lens on the sensor. If the light comes in at too much of an acute angle, some of it will be lost, not being focused on the photodiode by the microlens. That's in parth why digital lenses are so much bigger than film era lenses : light rays need to be corrected and come straight if you don't want to suffer from vignetting in the corners. Using an APS-C sensor means that you only keep the center part where this isn't as much of an issue. On some cameras, there was no choice, but to use engineering to combat this. Typically, the Leica M8 which was the first digital Leica, needed to be fully compatible with film era lenses as it kept the same lens mount. On that camera, the micro lenses are offset compared to the photodiode, and they get more offset the closer you get to the edges. But that's an exception amongst digital cameras really

@DigiDriftZone

8 ай бұрын

I actually reduced the size, weight and price of my setup by switching from aps-c to full frame. Once you are looking at those f1.4 primes on APS-C you realise full frame is smaller/cheaper.

@arrebarre

8 ай бұрын

It's easy enough to put APS-C lenses on a full-frame camera and If we're talking sony cameras they're both about the same size regardless of format. I'd rather just keep my options open cause I like using both my dads old lenses and my newer cropped lenses.

@kuba6156

8 ай бұрын

IMO the size and weight difference in most cases (as an amateur) is mostly negligible. If you're going to compare "similar" cameras where most functionality is the same apart from sensor size then you'll find out that full frame body is only slightly bigger and heavier than crop. And the same goes for typical amateur-use lenses. If you don't need very long focal length and super wide apertures, then the difference is also not that big. I switched from Nikon D7200 to Z 6II and I would say they feel mostly the same if not using telephoto lenses. Only difference now I use F4 standard zoom instead of F2.8, that means I get similar depth of field and picture quality is still better at higher ISO. As for me if size and weight was priority I wouldn't go for APS-C for sure but consider something even smaller, like way smaller. In fact I tend to reach for my smartphone on a daily basis and only use the full frame when I plan to go out for a photo shoot. And it was exactly the same when I had aps-c, probably wouldn't change much with micro 4/3... And if I was going to get some compact camera then today's smartphones are almost just as good...

@DigiDriftZone

8 ай бұрын

@@kuba6156 For me size and weight were a big priority and full frame provides the smaller/lighter package these days (and it was cheaper than my Fuji APS-C). The new iPhone 15 Pro for example is 13mm f/10, 24mm f/6.3 and 120mm f/21 equivalents which is very poor even for photos (not to mention video), you can get really tiny compact F/2.8 or F/4 lenses for full frame to get substantially better results.

@_systemd

8 ай бұрын

@@kuba6156 absolutely , similar lineup models will have same body size, FF offers larger selection of higher quality and/or specific lenses, which prob keep higher value. People most frequently end up using ff glass on apsc bodies with minimal weight/size saving. As you say one can look at it both ways - using slower lenses on FF to outweight the "downsides". It probably depends on the type of shooting, but me as an attempted wildlife photographer, back in my APSC days I would carry d500 and 60-600 and it didn't really matter if ff or apsc. Fuji may be different with their apsc lenses, but that is it. I used to think that m43 is the unnecessary format, but nowadays it makes more sense to me as it really offers something completely different to FX. Whereas apsc kinda sits in the middle, often being too close to FF but not yet there. Also the manufacturers are at fault, none of them really cares much about their apsc lineup to be build up as a standalone system. They rather offer it with hopes of customers later transitioning to FF (thus it also makes sense to use FF glass anyway).

Great one, right now I am on the Canon M6 MII and I like it however I want to get a newer model next year and I am not sure if I go with the R8 or switch system and go with the Fuji x-s. 20….

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

This is a hard one, I love the ergonomics of the Canon cameras, but affordable lenses, that are also good, are few and far between, and Canon has blocked 3rd party lenses on the mount. The image quality, colors, and lenses are awesome on Fuji, but the cameras don't offer the ease of use of Canon cameras.

If I ever upgrade my ASP-C camera, it will be for one that is weatherproof. I have too many lenses to switch unless the full frame has a cropped mode.

Great video, however at the price range of the FX30, you can get much better camera bodies than the RP, which is notoriously bad for video and doesn't have dual native ISO. Something like the S5ii or even a R8 (still no dual native ISO) would've been a better comparison

@williamgollatz1911

6 ай бұрын

Now, if he got an equivalently priced camera, would be be able to feed the trolls for his monetized channel?

Thank you for sharing, don’t forget for landscape togs crop sensor gives u more depth of field and the lenses are also lighter in lugging around. I switched from FF canon to Fuji APSc and I haven’t noticed hardly any difference in Image Quality if anything I prefer the colors and skin tone from the Fuji and i paid much less for the system.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Very true!

@jockslifeatliftvideoproduc8528

8 ай бұрын

Thats the thing, isn't it? People seem to forget all sensor sizes are a compromise between size, weight and image quality. Let's not forget 35mm was small back in the film days. If all people cared about was image qualty then we should all be walking around with medium format, or hell large format cameras. We aren't though because most of us value practicality and therefore make the choice on how large we want our system to be. I regularly shoot on my FF lumix cameras and the do at the end of the day produce better IQ, however, my 100-400 lens is huge and sometimes I really can't be bothered lugging it around. I still often use my MFT set up simply due to how small, light and easy to use they are while in general good light, you know not after the sun has gone down, producing IQ that is by far good enough for even large prints. This KZread world of FF is a must and shallow DOF is 'PRO' is just missing the point entirely.

Great explanation!! Thanks!

this is still what i'm thinking i have very old dslr cropped sensor that has lots of problems and im planning to upgrade to mirrorless i have 50mm prime but i want to capture more of the frame so i'm still choosing whether i buy cropped sensor body and wide lens or full frame body and use my existing lens

I have the same opinion. I have a Panasonic LUMIX GX85 with the Leica 25mm F1.4 and wow I love the results

You know, APS-C (crop sensor format) is almost exactly the size of the Super 35mm film frame - a standard we managed to live with for over 100 years for motion pictures projected onto super-large screens (not IMAX-large, but large enough). Only reason we ever got "full frame", i.e., full-sized 35mm frames in still photography is because, due to logistics, we mounted the film in the camera sideways, thus allowing for a larger frame size. Had still cameras been designed like motion picture cameras, all our still photography (except for medium and large formats) would have been "crop" format and no one would have ever been the wiser. Then again, you could say the reverse and we could have had all those years and decades of "Lawrence of Arabia"-sized movies (which would have been EXPENSIVE!).

I have question that's driving me nutz, if a DSLR in video mode has only, aperture control, iso control and exposure lock but no shutter speed option to change, how is the video shutter set to its proper settings 1/60 when shooting at 30fps? I don't get it? Does it set it to a default setting when in video mode? I lock the exposure to what I want by pointing in light or low light and the video is great. No stutter everything is good, it has that very slight blur when paused , 24fps has more blur pause which this I understand fine. Any help would be great, you seem very knowledgeable and make great content👍📷

Nice video Mark. I had the Sony A6300, and upgraded to the Sony A7ii, and hated the camera. I sold all my Sony gear, now shooting with Fuji X-T3, and Fuji X-S20, and enjoying the Fuji ecosystem.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Yes, I love Fuji as well.

I recently bought a FF for the first time after years of APSC and I can tell you that I see the difference in image quality. Even with a “cheap” 50mm lens

@harrison00xXx

8 ай бұрын

Even? More like because of... All of my "worse" 50 and 55mm lenses perform a lot better on FF than on APS-C. But in general you are right, most of my shots done on a EOS RP (FF) and even the modern and highly corrected (in a bad way) RF 50 1.8 are just superior to the ones shot on APS-C camera. On APS-C you lose resolution, especially with not so good/sharp glass compared to full frame. And mostly FF lenses are designed to work on FF the best.

@MobiusCoin

3 ай бұрын

I'm going FF in a couple of months, not because I care about FF but because Techart makes an autofocus adapter for Z mount and E mount but not X mount (sad) and I really want to try the adapter and get autofocus on vintage lenses, so I'm really interested to see if this is true. And more importantly as these bodies are double the price is the image quality twice as good. Everything is compromise in photography, let's see if bigger and heavier for better image quality is actually worth it.

I think the deciding factor (in the choice between FF and APS-C) for a lot of people should be “How important is shallow depth of field across a variety of focal lengths?” For people who grew up looking at pictures taken with 35mm film SLRs (or rangefinders) paired with relatively fast 50mm lenses, and who want to be able to achieve the same look, full-frame is generally better. A fast 30mm or 35mm lens is more expensive than a fast 50mm lens, and will wipe out much of the cost-savings associated with buying an APS-C camera.

@ThisIsWideAngle

8 ай бұрын

When was that? 20-15 years ago nobody shot with open aperture. Lenses were not build that way, the 1.4 wasn't actually usable. It was the working aperture to have a clear view in the viewfinder and to set the focus more easily via auto focus and manual focus. Lenses were very soft and full of CAs when shot wide open. For example the Canon EF 50mm 1.4 was not a cheap lens at all, but you had to shoot it at 2.8, to get good results. For the last 10 years with the introduction of new digitally rendered lenses for mirrorless cameras the open aperture got more usable and because of the hype around all the innovations, the wide open aperture look became the new deciding factor of what a good lens should be. I'm kinda glad this hype is mostly over and photographers realize that there are other factors to make nice photographs than supersoft bokeh in the backround...

@Frontigenics

8 ай бұрын

Yea, I like the look of 50mm/85mm on Full-Frame. You just don't get the same image when using a m4/3 or s35 equivalent. You can make great stuff on either, obviously. But it's just a preference.

@tcnoble

8 ай бұрын

@@ThisIsWideAngle You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. It was extremely common to shoot at f/1.5 to f/2 since the 1960s. Not for every shot, but definitely in low light, for portraits, etc.

@ThisIsWideAngle

8 ай бұрын

@@tcnoble I'm working as a professional photographer for the last 18 years. I learnt photography on film, mostly with cameras from the 70s and 80s. The last 5 years i work for a photographic archive with a history dating back to the 1920s, archiving colodium-glass-plates dating back in to the 19th century. In that job we also digitalize the photographic collection of an internationaly known art museum. Yes, for low light photography in reportage they photographed with open aperture sometimes. There also were a few photographers who made experimental photography with open aperture. For shallow depth of field in professional photography they used mostly long lenses and middle format. Both not shot wide open. Shooting professionaly wide open for stylistic reasons was very rare, also because lenses with optics which didn't fell apart wide open were very rare and expensive and very hard to handle manually. The style of open aperture of the last years widely common in professional and amateur photography wouldn't have been possible back in the days. So yeah. I sure don't know what i'm talking about.

@natrix

7 ай бұрын

@@ThisIsWideAngle Every classical photographer that I've ever worked with that was shooting before 2000 all believed great photos were shot deep stop. Historically you are right on the money sir.

Interesting. I have always been sceptical of the often touted "crop doesn't do shallow depth of field" view, good clear explanation. I would also point out that while there does not appear to be a great difference in noise performance in high ISO between FF and APS-C now, that was not the case a while ago. I used to shoot with a 70D and at 1250 ISO outdoors in shade, the noise was horrendous, whereas my 6D in the same situation was fine (this was using the same 70-210 f4 lens on both at f4.5 and 1/1000 sec). Current technology has made serious strides in this area, but unfortunately for me at prices I cannot justify. If you are okay with DSLR's there is massive choice of fantastic kit at seriously eye-opening prices atm - not eye-watering like the new gear!

@smaakjeks

8 ай бұрын

The explanation, which was not really covered in this video, is the crop factor conversion. To compare expected results, you multiply the focal length, ISO (squared), and f-number with the crop factor. So, these set-ups will give similar results, assuming similar sensor tech: 50mm f2.8 ISO 200 on APS-C (1.5x) 75mm f4.2 ISO 450 on full frame As you can see, you need faster lenses to compensate for the crop factor when using crop sensor set-up.

This is very helpful information. Thanks!

This was a pretty good video, but some things worth mentioning when deciding on crop vs full frame: -Crop factor conversion (!) -Noise should be compared with similar scaling (not merely viewed at 100%), otherwise high-rez cams seem worse when in print they're not -In video, high-rez cameras will pixel bin, whereas low-rez cameras can use a higher effective percentage of the sensor -Features that come with full frame cameras, like dual memory card slots, focusing systems, viewfinder size, buffer, fps, battery life, etc.

The time to be a Fuji user has never been better. 40mp at an affordable price (about half the price of FF 45mp bodies) and the release of several 1.2-1.4 lenses from Fuji, Viltrox etc. I was almost about to switch back to FF because I missed the rendering of the D800 w/ Sigma 35 1.4 ART that I had a long time ago, but I finally feel like the Fuji APS-C system is complete enough that I don't miss out on anything important.

@MohondhaY

8 ай бұрын

Which Fuji camera might I ask? I wanna check it out.

@fotografalexandernikolis

8 ай бұрын

@@MohondhaY X-T5. It's the most affordable high resolution body out there with 40mp plus top modern AF system.

@MohondhaY

8 ай бұрын

@@fotografalexandernikolis Thank you my good sir! 🤗

@filippetrovic8501

8 ай бұрын

​@@MohondhaYi got the xh2 and it is a 40mp hybrid shooting monster.

@danielfortune4283

8 ай бұрын

40 megapixels on APS-C is a scam - it gives no more detail than the 26-megapixel APS-C cameras (look up comparison tests that have been done). You need a larger sensor (full frame or larger) for 40 megapixels to actually give you more detail in your images. Not all megapixels are created equally!

Having tried amazing cameras for both (A7riii and xh2s), I’ve been able to take more photos and videos with my xh2s because the equivalent lenses were lighter and less expensive. So I’ve been able to take more trips as well and just generally enjoy taking my gear places. Would I get a full frame camera again? Yes. I still borrow one for paid shoots. But for just me, probably not.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Great real world example.

If you put an ef 50mm 1.2 on a crop sensor camera is it very comparable to a full frame with an 85mm 1.2? Similar bokeh?

@lassesvenson7242

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely not. It is comparable to a 80(ish) f:1.8. You get the crop factor for your focal length AND 1 stop "less bokeh" due to the shorter focal length. The full frame 85/1.8 is probably cheaper to buy to.

While I agree with most of what you say, I wish everyone would realize that there are forms of photography where quality is not measured by bokeh and f/1.4 (or f/0.95) lenses are of no use whatsoever. You obviously measure quality using different standards than I do. Thank goodness there are not f/0.95 macro lenses. Some people take landscapes and prefer more universal sharpness. Some people prefer something in focus and sharp in the photo just to offset all that background blur. I have both a FF and a crop body using the crop more for what I like to shoot. Sometimes I wonder if M4/3 would be acceptable but the ergonomics of the few I have seen leave be drawing the line at APS-C. Perhaps that is why they make so many options? Not everyone defines 'best' in the same way.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Good points. Yes, I totally agree a huge iris does not equal a great lens. I was more talking about lenses like this one - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nad5yY-Qm7PPiso.htmlsi=K4sq5nS_zNsWFZiH Which is one of the best lenses I have ever used, for $549. Something this good on full frame would be $2000+, and as big as a garbage can.

Yeah, there are too many reviewers and content creators on here who make it seem like APS-C is a terrible choice. I have a few friends who tried to get into photography and they are still stuck with their kit lens because they blew all their budget on the full frame body and can't justify another expensive lens.

@DigiDriftZone

8 ай бұрын

It’s not a terrible choice but for equivalent results it’s often bigger, heavier and sometimes more expensive than full frame. If you are using f2.8 lenses then sure, it’s small (but so is the f/4 equivalent on FF), but the second you look at something like an f1.4 prime. the full frame options are smaller and cheaper.

@anisahs2110

8 ай бұрын

@@DigiDriftZone But crop sensor cameras also have f1.4 prime lenses though? And the ones I bought were more affordable than full frame ones

@DigiDriftZone

8 ай бұрын

@@anisahs2110 ​​⁠​​⁠there is no such thing. It is like saying my car has 60 speed too, like your car - but one car is MPH and one car is KPH. F/1.4 means nothing without knowing the sensor size, you then apply a calculation. So 1mile = 1.6km, 1inch = 2.54cm, APSC ISO800 = Full Frame ISO1800, 23mm APSC focal length = 35mm Full Frame focal length - same applies for aperture. Just like your focal length means nothing without the sensor size, the aperture means nothing too. Once you know the sensor size, say iPhone, you take the 5mm f/1.7 and you apply the crop factor to know on full frame that’s identical to 24mm / f6 or near abouts. All of these measurements are proportional to sensor size. And iPhone ISO100 is identical to Full Frame ISO1600 or near there (on the primary camera anyway).

@anisahs2110

29 күн бұрын

@@DigiDriftZone I literally have it in my camera bag as we speak. You say the specs mean nothing cause of its sensor size, yet it still produces beautiful images with breathtaking bokeh and high image quality output similar to the full frame ones. Well, at least my clients can't tell the difference anyway. As long the clients and the photographer are happy, specs are not the end all or be all

@DigiDriftZone

29 күн бұрын

@@anisahs2110 you literally have what? - I'm sure most cameras produce fantastic photos. My 20 year old Nikon D50 DSLR APS-C produced beautiful photos with breathtaking bokeh. But no, if you compare side by side with a modern full frame, you get a whole level of flexibility added in the full frame. Your stops of dynamic range, noise levels (especially in lower light) and micro contrast amount goes up in direct proportion to sensor size. With this said, the sensor technologies are improving too, a modern APS-C sensor is pretty much on par with a 10 year old full frame.

Thanks for this in-depth comparison^^ Situational basis, personal taste, but i think for me, APS-C is for most people, whilst full frame is either for professionals, studios, corporations or some other entity with very deep pockets... unless one is willing to settle with a used full frame camera system. i've been a canon APS-C shooter for 10+ years, ..never really felt the need for full frame.. but then i just take photos as part of my hobby. I already have a sorta cheaper full frame alternative anyways... in a form of a 35mm Canon Film SLR. At least both of my DSLR & Film SLR can share lenses hhh

this is so good, thank you so much

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

You're so welcome!

I started out with ASC-C, and it made very nice photos. The issue was that I love taking photos at night, and I wanted lenses with larger apertures. To match an f/1.4 lens on a 35mm sensor, I would have needed an f/0.95mm lens. Back then, very few such lenses existed, they only existed around the 50mm range, and their image quality was compromised enough that it would sort of ruin the advantage of the fast aperture in a lot of scenarios. With my Sony A7R3 and fast lenses, I just get more total light hitting the sensor - at the cost of size and a much higher price tag. But I can shoot handheld in extremely dark locations, and get usable results. Had f/0.95 lenses been more prevalent, at more focal lengths, and with better quality glass, I would probably have stayed with ASC-C. But there would have been disadvantages there, too. It's more difficult to correct an f/0.95 lens than an f/1.4 lens, so the quality still wouldn't match larger sensor sizes. As far as I know, no f/0.95 lens has autofocus, which would make them more challenging to use for events. And to achieve something like an f/1.2 lens, an APS-C sensor would need an f0.8 lens, which is getting insanely close to the legendary f/0.7. There's always a trade-off somewhere.

@heikoh.schulz9429

9 ай бұрын

Hmm... Am I wrong? The amount if light through the lenses will be the same on APS-C, like on full frame. But as the APS-C sensor is smaller it is more cramped with pixels and so you have more noise. Also: what does change is the depth of field- with APS-C you have more sharpness in the background- something not always wanted. To have the same amount of bokeh with f1,4 on FF, you will a f0,95 on APS-C. Now possible with some fine china lenses ;-)

@wandererstraining

9 ай бұрын

@@heikoh.schulz9429 The total amount of light gathered depends on the intensity of the light and on the surface area. Two f/2 lenses will have the same intensity of light coming in, but the total amount of light that they let through will depend on their imagine circle size, and on things like the glass' transmission or vignetting. A full-frame sensor has 2.25x the area of an APC-C sensor, so it will gather correspondingly more light in total. If using the exact same technology, the pixels of a 60MP sensor will actually be smaller (more densely packed) than those of a 20MP sensor. On a pixel level, the 60MP full-frame sensor will be noisier, but at an image level, it's the APS-C that will end up being noisier because of the larger surface area. And technology plays a big part in it, too. I remember when the first A7 series camera came out. I thought at first that the 24MP A7 would perform better in low light than the 36MP A7R. At the image level, it did not. Interestingly, my A7R3 performs as well as an A7S at high ISO on an image level. That's because of its BSI technology that allows for more light to hit every pixel. If I process my A7R3's high ISO images and down sample them to 12MP, the images actually appear more detailed than the same image from the A7S. Regarding bokeh, you are correct. The main difference between a 35mm f/0.95 for APS-C and a 50mm f/1.4 on full-frame will be in terms of image quality and AF. A 50mm f/1.4 lens is much easier to get right than a 35mm f/0.95.

@DigiDriftZone

8 ай бұрын

@@heikoh.schulz9429its like converting from miles to kilometres, an f2.8 35mm lens on APS-C will generate the same light, field of view and depth of field as an f4 55mm lens on full frame. What people forget to do is to apply the crop factor to the ISO as well. The way to think of it is think of a MFT sensor, say it is set to ISO100, how many of those ISO100 squares can you fit on full frame? It’s 4 because it’s roughly double the width and height, so to set the “same” equivalent ISO on full frame you have to use ISO 400. This still throws me when I shoot full frame at ISO 10,000, I have to keep reminding me it’s only 4400 roughly APS-C equivalent :) (formula is iso multiplied by crop factor squared)

You can easily turn your full frame sensor into a crop sensor by using software to crop your image. When you do that, your photo does not get darker. This idea that crop sensors are never as sensitive as full frame cameras has to die already. While it is true that a single sensor (i.e. one pixel) will tend to gather more photons if it is larger, there are many other things to consider. For one, copped sensors tend to have fewer megapixels so the physical size of each individual sensor/pixel may be the same. Also, size is only one thing that drives signal to noise ratio (SNR). Other things to consider are the quantum efficiency (odds that the sensor will register each photon) and the noise level. It is very possible to have a smaller single sensor that performs better in low light than a larger one.

@giklab

8 ай бұрын

The bit about APS sensors having fewer MP is only really true for the past few years. Throughout most of digital camera history, APS was on par with FF regarding pixel count.

ok i need an answer here. the 300 mm f4 lens of the m4/3 gives f8 equivalent on the sensor. but light gathering is still f4. since the exposure triangle is not depending on frame size. is this right.

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

Yes, that is correct.

One of the best examples of this subject that I have ever seen on KZread. Absolutely the best. Just using the physics of it all in a basic way of breaking it all down. Funny many woh compare full frame to crop sensors, never go in the opposite direction and compare full frame to medium format. I'm just saying. Many professional film makers prefer crop sensors in their line of work. Again thank you for the video, good job.

My personal opinion of reviewers has gone way down once I realized they all come out within hours of each other with a new release of a piece of glass or camera. If the reviewer bought the item with their own money and are using it in their work flow I will lend more credibility to what they have to say.

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

It's genuine issue, and one I worry about in my own videos. Even though I don't get flown around the world, or given new cameras. I do get some lower value lenses, pre-release, and it's easy to get excited. I think, if you spend some time watching videos, you will find some people that you can trust, and just stick with them.

That's why i shoot MFT.

@evertonporter7887

7 ай бұрын

I bought myself a Panasonic mirrorless MFT camera and some lenses and I've been impressed with the results.

Thanks for this video Mark; I appreciate your approach to the topic. I went through the FF vs APS-C issue myself a couple of years ago. I went with APS-C for the cost as you explained and the smaller size and weight. My only regret is not going for weather sealed gear, but I just act accordingly. My biggest frustration with photography YTers is when their opinion appears to be presented as fact. I wish you continued success. Cheers

This is great to hear! I am wondering though about dynamic range? It seems as if fuji gfx has better dynamic range than most Full frame, and I can confirm owning ff, aps-c and mft, that my full frame camera seems to have more latitude in dynamic range; comments?

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

I think, like my comments on high ISO, that is often the case, but not always the case. You really have to compare the specific cameras to know for sure.

The advantage to full frame is that you have a larger sensor with larger optics. For some, this is necessary, for others, it's not. It really depends on what you're shooting and in what style.

In some situations, you just don't have the option of contolling the light. For example, when you are taking photographs at a Live rock show, where they use flashing lights and light keep changing, you cannot control the light. You have no choice but to bump up the ISO to take photographs.

Very good explanation! However I feel the need to point out that the difference between price of the lenses for ex. a 85mm f1,4 and a similar lens for crop camera is even greater than double the price. I work with Sony both FF and Crop. A sigma 85 f1,4 for FF is around 1500 euro but an 56 mm f1,4 on my Sony crop sensor, which is the same as 85 mm on FF, is only 450 euro. And if you compare Sigma lenses for crop sensor with Sonys lenses for FF then the price difference is 4 to 5 times higher. Could the reason why crop cameras normally produce more noise because the manufacturer is simply not prioritizing the crop cameras noise handling? When I went from Sony A7RII to A7RII I noticed a remarkable difference in how the camera handled noise even though the sensor was exactly the same. I don't remember exactly but I think I read something later that Sony had added some code for the processor to be able to process noise better in the A7RIII.

@gluteusmaximus7608

8 ай бұрын

Might be wrong here but the sensors are not the same a7r ii is CMOS while the a7r iii has a BSI CMOS sensor. BSI sensors handle noise better.

I'm not so much getting old, but arrived. Full frame with lens is heavy for a day's shooting. I went for micro four thirds, with a bit of trepidation, but so far I'm well pleased. I can take my 100-300, (200-600 in 'old money'), and be happy to use it for a few hours. I'm 60% video, and there my camera excels. Birding is now a joy. Nice video from you.

Use a crop sensor XT5 and if I was posting these photos on a full frame page no one would know they are brilliant cameras now and the low light performance of the crop sensor is outstanding….. On this particular camera I migrated to Fujifilm because of the colour science and Fuji film and I’m loving it. I still have a full frame camera and it does have its purposes but they’re very minimal purposes and I’m keeping it because it does one thing really well at the XT5 probably isn’t good at, but majority of my photography isn’t that genre so it just makes sense to go to the crop sensor camera. The small form factor makes me want to take photos. Fuji cameras noise looks ok too

Very well said.

Thanks Mark for the video very useful info.... I have an FX30 and a ZVE-10 and & 7Artisans/Sirui Nightwalkers... and this video has given me more confidence in my choice of buying this cameras... Keep up the Good Work!!!

@markwiemels

9 ай бұрын

Good to hear. I have 3 full frame cameras, but shoot the main A roll shot, of my KZread Videos, with the FX30.

Great video, good explained!

This makes so much sense, a good reason why the brilliant Lumix M43 cameras are so underrated.

Thank you. As a long time photographer (since 1977) I find myself constantly having to debunk these misconceptions. Great job explaining this. Bottom line, knowing the characteristics of our equipment and understanding how it impacts the scene, helps us achieve the results we want.

@smaakjeks

8 ай бұрын

I wish he would have mentioned crop factor conversion, at least.

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

And as someone that has tried both out personally for landscapes I would say it's not a myth but the difference between Nikon or Sony FF vs. any crop sensor in for example dynamic range are huge and often can mean the difference of needing to bracket or not. I can take good landscapes on any sensor, but I would never buy anything else than FF for the purpose if I did it as a hobby and not just once a year on some holiday.

@LebronPhoto1

8 ай бұрын

@@cyberfunk3793 Interesting because I have seen people make prints from Full Frame vs. Crop sensors and have pros try to determine which image was take by which camera, and most have not been able to determine which was the full frame camera most of the time. “Huge difference”, maybe on paper but not in practice. Also, using that logic, people looking for the best IQ would all be shooting medium format. They don’t. Why? There is a point where you get diminishing returns. All cameras have their strengths and weaknesses. I’ve sold as many images captured with my MFT cameras as I’ve sold using cameras with APS-C or FX sensors.

@cyberfunk3793

8 ай бұрын

@@LebronPhoto1 The difference isn't in resolution so they aren't going to see the difference in prints. The difference is that when taking the photo on FF you might need only 1 frame when with aps-c you need to bracket or you will have the highlights blown. The shots that the aps-c people missed aren't going to end in the print phase so there isn't anything to compare and while bracketing is an option it's easier if you don't have to.

@LebronPhoto1

8 ай бұрын

@@cyberfunk3793 not true. You can get exposures right on target with any camera if you are skilled enough and for those tricky lighting situations where you may be a little off, you can shoot RAW plus JPEG and if the JPEG isn’t on target, you can adjust the raw. Or for scenery, if you are using an Om System camera, there is an HDR feature. There are lots of ways to achieve a good exposure. I for one am not one to bracket.

What lens are you using on each?

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

For the ISO and Sharpness tests, same lens.

Hello I just can't decide which to buy between this 2 choices since they are both priced similar at $1500 a. Sony ZV-e10 with Sigma 16mm 1.4 & Sigma 56mm 1.4 b. Canon eos RP with Canon Rf 16mm 2.8 & Canon Rf 50mm 1.8 what would be your choice? at first I was sure with Canon cause its full frame but now I am slowly getting attracted with the Sony option because of that sigma lenses. PS. Gonna use them for event photogaphy/video.

@markwiemels

8 ай бұрын

The results out of the ZV-E10, with those lenses, will be better, but the lack of a view finder is not ideal. A used A6400 would be better.

@reymarckremigio5843

8 ай бұрын

@@markwiemels thanks for the reply ❤️ I think I can manage without the viewfinder on zv-e10 I was thinking of the a6400 also but in our country the used a6400 is still more expensive than a new zv-e10 and I like the zv-e10's flip out screen, ligher weight, type-c port, gyro stabilization and headphone jack that you don't get in the a6400, but really thanks for this 🥰👍

IMO the love for FF cameras from certain quarters is down to the historical experience of DSLRs. Back in the day of the DSLR it was very hard to find decent wide angle APSC primes, probably due to the flange distance. Crop sensor DSLRs also have a very small OVF compared to FF DSLRs (and a tiny one compared to old film cameras!). Personally I hate using wide angle lenses on my Pentax K3 (an APSC DSLR) due to the poxy viewfinder, whereas I have no issues with wide angle lenses on my K1. With the advent of mirrorless designs these problems go away with the EVF. I do see a difference in the final output between FF and Crop though but I really have to look for it. To me the tonal transitions look smoother on FF. I believe this is due to the smaller enlargement required for any given image size. Is that very slightly better IQ worth it when one considers the cost and weight of the equipment and the fact that most of our images are not printed at any great size? I would say yes when considering DSLRs if only because I find the larger FF bodies more enjoyable to use, but no, not in the modern era of the mirrorless designs.

I just gave in and purchased my first digital camera. I went with a crop censor so I could use all my old glass. Coming from full frame 35mm since 1977 the aps-c was little to get used to. My 35mm 1:4 works out to 52.5 were it really shines is on my longest lense of 200mm is now 300mm. Even though it's tack sharp most of the time with my minolta G lense it seems at time I'm not getting the details on pics where I'm reaching farther out as I was with full frame 35mm film. That's not always the case so maybe it's just myself getting used to the new format. The instant pictures and no film fees are really nice. Looking forward to getting lightroom and or photoshop.

Thank you!!

Thank you, very useful. So basically, I can get some 500$ -ish 1.4 lens for my a6400 and get some great results. And if I understood correctly it might even outperform full frame camera regarding video quality?