Need one of your prototypes to be called "Theseus" as a reference to the "Ship of Theseus" and right to repair!

@johnp5250

3 ай бұрын

Honestly there next rebuild should be named that since Topsy is literally that

Theres an entire class of electric motors that dont even use copper windings or more importantly rare earth permanent magnets. The only moving parts are the shaft assembly and the sealed bearings carrying them .. they only need a yearly or bi yearly inspection. Manufacturers are already producing electric motors for commercial boats like ferries and work boats that are guaranteed for up to 80 years. ⚡🤯😎

@bene5431

3 ай бұрын

You mean asynchronous motors? They do use copper windings, but not on the rotor

@8Jory

3 ай бұрын

Tell me more

@bene5431

3 ай бұрын

@@8Jory The rotor of asynchronous motors is just a piece of metal and the stator is just 3 pairs of copper windings around an iron core. You can plug it directly into 3 phase power. Doesn't get simpler than that

@HanginInSF

3 ай бұрын

Nobody is worried about the motors. It's the batteries.

@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665

3 ай бұрын

@@HanginInSF There are also companies making batteries for trucks and work boats .. again they tend to be built to the job rather than the usual automotive cells. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g598msR9lsypido.htmlsi=ng0pUPCSKOJwKxdX

I've always been skeptical because of maintenance, but I'm always reminded of old oceanliners, like the Normandie, it used electric motors to move its giant propellers, that was nearly 100 years ago! So if people were working with electric motors back then I'm sure we can do it now. Also to clarify, the Normandie wasn't fully electric, it was Turbo-electric, steam turbines would move a giant alternator that would supply power to the electric motors that moved the propellers, so its a lot like diesel electric actually.

@SwordFighterPKN

3 ай бұрын

Those most likely where DC motors which are way easier than dealing with the AC motors and controllers that are used today. It's a paradigm shift for sure but you also can't reference older tech and compare it to todays highly optimized systems.

@illbehim

2 ай бұрын

@@SwordFighterPKN That doesn't mean anything. What you're stating is basically that OLDER electric propulsion systems are better and new ones aren't. Which isn't true. DC means you need a whole new set of parts to convert the energy into AC and THEN be used in the motors. Modern electric systems use AC from the start. So what are you getting at? What's your point? And how can you claim that we can't reference older technology to advance new ones if THAT'S HOW TECHNOLOGY HAS WORKED THROUGH ALL OF HISTORY?

I have an angle grinder my grandpa bought in the 70s. It needed a set of new bearings a few years ago but it's still working like new, despite being flooded twice. Electric motors really are a lot more robust than combustion engines

@timothyengland3

3 ай бұрын

I have a sher drill my dad purchased in 1960 when he first started his apprenticeship,,,, it still works as in pull the trigger it spins, definitely makes bearing noises, but it's the sentimental value not the drilling value

@douglasvamateurradioandmore

3 ай бұрын

I have a sears compressor that is older than I am, and it just quit on me. On another note, I also have a sears shotgun.

@the_undead

3 ай бұрын

​@@timothyengland3If it makes noise when it spins, that's probably just a bearing. That's a problem. If you replace those bearings, that drill likely would function as new

@sandasturner9529

3 ай бұрын

​@@timothyengland3fix it so you have the sentimental and drilling value!!!!

@sandasturner9529

3 ай бұрын

​@@douglasvamateurradioandmore Thats so cool that I laughed. Not sarcasm. That is cool.

Without planned obsolescence we wouldn't have any jokes about changing light bulbs.

@jonasstahl9826

3 ай бұрын

Light bulbs actualy have a good reason for there short lifetime. If you want to increase lifetime you need a thicker wire inside that than glows less hot, but that results in worse efficency and much more dimm light.

@jst_TV

3 ай бұрын

@@jonasstahl9826 I thought the long-lasting Dubai bulbs had the same efficiency and brightness levels as the normal, conventional bulbs

@urban6613

3 ай бұрын

​​@@jst_TV well he is right for normal tungsten bulbs... But for (dubai) LEDs you are totally right

@jaredlancaster4137

3 ай бұрын

Uhh, they still wouldn't last forever.......

@the_undead

3 ай бұрын

​@@jst_TVYou're talking about LED this dude is talking about incandescent

Armature Electric has been rebuilding electric motors for decades. They used to have a shop on 4th Avenue between Main St and Cambie in Vancouver but now they're in Burnaby. Rebuilding electric motors is its own trade and was much more common with old timers before the age of cheap imports.

The problem is less the technology and more the design. For the equipment you're talking about it's great, but the way things are crammed into small form factors of commuter EVs with proprietary parts can make it difficult and expensive. The Chinese electric transit buses that the city of St Albert here in Alberta bought were found to break down less often, but they're more expensive and time consuming to fix when they did. (There's a host of other problems, too.) Another important point is that most hybrids on the market aren't the same as what you're building. They have a standard internal combustion engine and transmission along side the electric motor(s). That makes for a very complex system indeed.

@BlackEpyon

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, the diesel-electric "locomotive" style is far simpler than those hybrids.

@CumminsTurbo4

3 ай бұрын

Series vs parallel hybrid systems....

I am an electrical engineer by training and have seen the industry change from repair to replace as the standard practice. This then means that the repair techs who used to do the actual repair, are no longer needed because the parts are not available (usually anywhere). That is why I try and repair anything that comes my way as I am/have been a supporter of the right to repair for years, albeit on my own equipment. There are manuals available on line for some of the most diverse gear you could imagine (if you just like to search them out) then again some are NOT AVAILABLE full stop, like my DAB tuner. The firm that built it, stopped selling it, and deleted all the information there was about parts etc. I now have three different tuners with different faults that almost can be repaired, when I get another one with all the "right" "working" parts. Trouble is, they usually have the same general parts that go wrong, and they were "made for the company", Which now disowns them.

@SchwaAlien

3 ай бұрын

This should be illegal, companies abandoning products or going under should mean a complete public domain release of all the proprietary information. That would also solve the problem of software companies that disappear so their source code can be made use of by those that need to continue using it. Acts and statues were meant for corporate regulation but they’ve been abused to attempt to regulate persons, which they’ve successfully tricked us into believing we are instead of living people.

His time with Louis Rossman was well spent.

@themisterchristie

3 ай бұрын

Chace has been talking right to repair since the beginning, long before his recent visit with Louis. Love seeing these guys, both Chace and Louis, pushing for right to repair.

The trouble with big manufacturers is they don’t want to repair anything just sell a new one.

In the very early days I went through a number of "beaters". Cars would be "retired" due to the body rusting out at about 10 years - I had a Trans Am that despite one complete body / paint job was done at 10 years old. (And it wasn't a Ford, which were notorious for rusting after 5 years). Nowadays, the body isn't the reason to replace the car, it's usually mechanical. (In the South it's probably always been that way). When the drivetrain can easily and economically be replaced, SOME people will keep their cars a LONG time.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

My grandpa had a 70s Lincoln and the mechanic told him to sell it after it was only 4 years old cause of rust.

It's not the maintenance of the motors I'm worried about the infrastructure and the increase in online connectivity in electric cars, like Tesla shutting off supercharging compatibility to customers.

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

there was a big problem recently during one of the latest storms, the trackers that told the apps when a charger is busted... got busted. lines of cars, at ONLY the tesla chargers only to find out none are 'working'. turns out most were working fine, just the the dummies never read manuals or they'd have know that they need to let the charger warm the battery pack up before it starts the charge and they 'thought' the charger was broken, unplugged and whined. even worse, with the app busted, some that actually were broken weren't reported. anyway, i'd say, until a smart grid is at least partly in place, it's sensible to be slightly worried. if demand meters, feed in rates and home packs became more common, nearly everything would be fixed. just need popup chargers in the sidewalks to handle the rest.

You guys are an inspiration, thanks for posting this! This makes me excited for the electric vehicle transition and the modding/maintenance community for EVs.

Really like your philosophy when it comes to right to repair. Don't be afraid to ask people for feedback on making it more do able.

Good job explaining that the electric drive train and everything else involved existed since Edison and Tesla and yes the technology is repairable, rebuildable, salvageable, can be manually overridden and is absolutely easy to maintain. You only need to put time and effort into learning the ropes.

I want to see the board in the office listing what companies hate you guys and which ones love you lol

I do look forward to the day I get my hands on a shit box ute and hybridise it. For now, I gotta make do with my diesel.

@LTEK4NZ

3 ай бұрын

jaunt motors over in the east. vic or nsw not sure. Landrover conversions. old farm utes to tidied up electrics.

@Zappyguy111

3 ай бұрын

@@LTEK4NZ Now THAT cuts out a whole lot of processes, nice. I've been looking into the Australian Design Rules and not made a lot of progress understanding it. If there are already people doing it, I'm down for that instead.

@906MediaProductions

3 ай бұрын

Check out the Corvairius if you want to see a mid engine hybridized Corvair.

I worked in a motor winding shop and watching those Pakistani guys do it their way is FASCINATING. It's super low-tech but the motors get wound, right? If she works she works.

My big question here is “Okay, electric motors are simple and repairable. Is the Edison version also that simple and repairable?” From what I saw, the motor, gearbox and axle looked like a sealed unit. Will opening it up and fixing the motor be as easy as depicted?

@RainbowGin

3 ай бұрын

Probably not as easy but 100% doable.

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

they'll have to get one in and do a teardown.

@Luka_3D

3 ай бұрын

Theoretically it should be easier to repair due to lower mechanical complexity but it really depends how easy they make it to repair.

The battery is really the issue there. Hopefully LiFePo and Sodium (or other newer technologies) can either solve the battery degradation issues or make the battery so cheap that replacing it isn't a worry.

@Goodmanperson55

3 ай бұрын

LiFePO4 is actually pretty old. It wins out in stability and longevity but not energy density. It's why you see them more in backup batteries and power stations where space is not an issue.

@906MediaProductions

3 ай бұрын

Being a range extended electric the battery should last much longer as it doesn't need to be fully cycled. Keeping the cells between 30-80% they last a lot longer.

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

maybe there can be an edison with a flow battery.

@nicholaskeenan898

3 ай бұрын

I'm not sure it's really that much of a issue tbh I have a van I brought in 2015 with a lithium battery 200,000km on it now and there's nothing wrong with it. Problem is people think car batteries are like there phone batteries.

Besides some datalink issues, water pumps regularly going out, and the occasional cell imbalance, working on EVs as a diesel tech is fine. And that stuff isn't even that big of an issue. Easily resolved.

been a couple few mills shut down around here, and the Laternou's end up going for good money at auction, tore down and shipped off to be rebuilt and serve another 50 years, one of our local mills has a whole slew of Cat 988's that are in various states of disrepair, but their laternou is still chooching dispite some neglect and being drivin into salt water on the regular.

So this video, shared from the electric motor repairer, is in India I believe. What about Edison’s axles? Will we be-able to repair them with accessible parts in Canada? Also the generator connected to the C9 engine. Will those parts be available to us in Canada? Who will be making these replacement parts? Are there any rare earth minerals in your electrical/electronic components?

@906MediaProductions

3 ай бұрын

The rare earths generally do not fail unless you cook them severely. They're going to use brushless 3 phase PMAC motors and generators that will likely never need a rebuild aside from maybe bearings. Look at Toyotas hybrid transmissions for an example of the longevity to expect, I have over a million miles combined on all stock motors and generators without a failure. They can be rewound anywhere, that shop didn't have anything specialized you can't find in Canada, people will pick up the skills when they're needed.

@AfterHoursAutoAssist

3 ай бұрын

@@906MediaProductions I appreciate your information. I’m in a severe cold climate. Un-common to the large populations. Break downs can be very different to those in the southern parts of our country. Getting parts shipped to northern Canada from USA is a long waiting period. Especially longer for our major/minor mines. Edison want to make parts easily accessible, which excites me to be hearing, so will we have easy access to the major component parts in the situations of severe failure where we can’t refurbish like the video shared?

@MAGnetICus_Attractus

3 ай бұрын

​@@906MediaProductions electric motor windings only burn up under heavy load or bearings go bad. The primary field coil is simple compared to the bundles of coiled wires for the secondary field, hundreds of turns of new insulated wire.

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

@@AfterHoursAutoAssist breakdowns in the cold... batteries, even in some pretty dang cold situations will work, you'll just use more fuel to keep em charged cause they'll need some electricity to keep em warm, with the design edisons have, you'll still use far less diesel than a non-hybrid, and you can carry a 1000w windmill to keep you warm in a breakdown.

9 times out of 10 you dont even need to pull the windings out like that, we usually only had to redo those windings when someone overheated the starter, otherwise you just polish the commutator and the shaft and throw in new bushings. So a typical rebuild is even easier than this. 😁

@BlackEpyon

3 ай бұрын

Sometimes, if oil gets on the windings, it can weaken the resin insulating one winding from the next and cause a short. That happened on a stator on a mower of mine when the shaft oil seal went weak, and I had to rewind it. All it cost me was my weekend to get the engine out, take the cowling off, rewind it and reinstal it. That and a $25 spool of wire.

Honestly, most of the fears are because manufactures use proprietary parts, and go out of their way to prevent owners from repairing them. Apple is a good example. The Chevy Volt had that "battery discontinued" scare a while back, meaning if a battery failed a 6yr old vehicle was junk. There are also a great many disadvantages to going electric in many applications, say Jeeps that spend a lot of time off-road, getting into lots of muds. Additionally, in cold weather, the batteries capacity is severely limited(when dealing with solely EV's) and often the range vs charging time for those simply doesn't make sense. The electric grid also isn't set up to handle the charging of larger EV's so businesses with fleets of vehicles that have looked into going electric have been been given the answer that the entire town doesn't use as much electric as your asking for to charge your fleet. There is also push-back from those trying to force everything to go electric. I know here in NY, they've banned anything but electric heating in new buildings, as natural gas is apparently evil. The electric grind in Northern NY is also not that great, and for some reason solar farms seem to be popping up everywhere, using imported labor(One of the company buses had a major crash a year or 2 ago, and one of the big problems was very few spoke english; despite the fact we produce 10x the electric we consume via hydroelectric dams), mostly foe export downstate(to that sorry ass fucking city, NYC.) Why not build the solar farms closer to the area in need of power, minimizing line losses? My biggest fear is that everything is forced to electric, as it seems to be moving towards. I know in Ice Storm '98, having a wood burning furnace allowed us to stay at home and shelter a couple other homes as well, while the electric was out for nearly 2 weeks. They haven't done significant repairs or replaced the band-aids placed to get things running at that time, much less upgraded the local grid. The obsolete wired telephone system worked even when the power went out, as the power came from the exchanges and had backups. Electricity is also the most easily disrupted power source(a hacker simply turns a relay off, and 100's lose power, not to mention any "social credit system" penalties), and everyone knows from childhood that putting all your eggs in one basket(power sources) is not a good idea.

My only reasoning for not owning an electric vehicle is that I live in Australia and it's bigger than a lot of people realise, (about the same land mass of North America) but charging stations are rare outside of our cities or major towns. For example it could take 3 days to drive the east coast of Australia heading west and I'd only just cross the border of Western Australia. Along the way there'd only be charging stations 40 miles apart for the first day then the next one would be around 800 miles later, then 2500 miles later would be the next. If every service station had an EV charger it wouldn't be a problem but most of the rural ones only serve diesel

If it had to be towed with the e axle how would you disengage it? On a normal truck we would disconnect the drive line so it doesn't tear anything else up

@RainbowGin

3 ай бұрын

Pull the axel shafts or put the motor in neutral. Or if it's safe to just pull it and the Regen on the motor will charge the battery.

@DerUnbbekante

3 ай бұрын

The reason you need to disconnect the drive line to tow a truck is that the transmission lubrication system is attached to the input shaft. If you tow a truck, the input shaft is not spinning -> no oil pressure -> you kill the transmission. Now, with the e-axle, there is no transmission to destroy. Personally, I would detach the high voltage lines because I am not sure how a shut down system would react if you put the axles (potentially) in generator mode but I am only a mechanical engineer and EVs are not my core competency. But I am pretty sure all this can be done via software as well.

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

with electrics they'll resist motion cause there's resistance at the controller, a bypass connecting all the coils will allow current to flow freely, so the tires will spin like a child that's gotten into the instant powdered cappucino packets.

We have diesel semis on the road now that are 60+ years old. Electrical power is indeed fun, but not as versatile. Electric motors combined with the snow and salt that they cover roads in up north in The USA do not mix. Corroded/rusted out in a few short years. Also pretty sure that the motors cannot be submerged in water, and with them being low on vehicles this is a disadvantage. I'm personally waiting for the hydrogen stuff to become more common.

Can you do a video comparing torque/hp numbers on your electric drive axles vs standard diesel powertrains? Your website mentions 8800 ft-lbs of torque for the pickup kit. How does that compare to a modern 6.7 diesel?

@nicholashaines4136

3 ай бұрын

It makes the automatic transmission look like a giant waste of iron as it easily outstrips the diesel for torque, less losses in the drive line too

@Luka_3D

3 ай бұрын

Yeah basically what the guy above me said. It's more complex but well worth the extra cost due to the amount of control it gives you

The environmental footprint of a truck on the road for 50 years vs. whatever the new ones last has got to be a huge difference, that alone has got to be counted as a major advantage. It’s amazing that the push towards “sustainability” hasn’t taken the form of mandating that things need to be made to last longer, instead we have more planned obsolescence than ever!!! Our phones being some of the worst offenders.

There isn't any reason why we can keep a Semi on the road for 50 years? Well yeah there is, sometimes you need to drop your load. So sometimes you have to go off the road. Hehehehehe Seriously though I commend your dedication to your ideal and fully support it. The only reason I'm holding onto my ICE car is I want to go to a long term electric, not a planned obsolete one.

Electric motors have always been incredible. Their downsides have always been lack of good portable energy source and cool factor. Diesel generators solve that for big machines and improving battery tech will solve it for smaller. The issue with Electric is off, charging, frid capacity. All things that aren't the motors problem. But rather supporting its operation

I saw where Peg over at Zip Ties and Bias Plies gave you a minty shoutout. He would be a good guy to have test one of your pickup truck models…

The problem I see is that automotive drive motors are more specialized with cooling and gearboxes built in. They're not the same as a 3-phase motor out of a tactory that's running a pump, or machine. Maybe the larger ones that Edison is using aren't so complicated... or maybe can be unbolted from the axle?

your crushing it mate ... good shit.. makes me happy a guy like you is crushing the FUD cheers

This is great. Though won't be great for the owners if it's for your daily drive car or pick up. Since anyone can do a rebuild engine. It's a start to a good path though

There's a large electric engine in a saw mile down the road that runs 24/7 its turned off twice a year for 1 day at a time for grease and maintenance. I saw it installed 30 years ago and it's still running. I think we might be ok on the longevity thing.

I actually watched that armature rebuild before. Basically putting new insulation in.

Hello I'm a former Logger, Current Firefighter and EV owner. I have some questions regarding your battery and casing. With the increasing adoption of EVs we are encountering new challenges in extinguishment as well as concerns with stranded energy (weather by accident or breakdown). Have you put any thought into quick release or battle removal mechanism? To be clear I am not referring to an electrical isolation switch, but the ability to rapidly remove a damaged battery from the larger vehicle itself. If not, perhaps some form of emergency access or thermal/fire suppression connection in the event of thermal runaway? Lastly the ability to rapidly discharge the battery in the field, weather for service or emergency may be worth consideration. Best of luck with your endeavors!

@Luka_3D

3 ай бұрын

I doubt that would be practical. That's like adding a quick release for your engine and gas tank. And for quickly draining the battery, i don't think that would be a good idea firstly due to the heat generated from passing all that current through it. Ideally you'd only discharge it to 5 percent but even then the battery contains quite a bit of energy.

0:43 Hold up. Wait a minute. Somethin ain't right!

Huh...i never knew the old LeTourno used the batteries as counterweights...?? Oh...you didn't mean EXACTLY like the Edison...humorous to me to drop this 'EV's are superior and better' after the hassle with the wiring during 'testing'....lol Sooooo simple....only took you days to figure it out.👍

How can I bring Edison to the Quebec logging industry ?

@capnkirk5528

3 ай бұрын

Find a competent, forward-thinking shop that wants to be an installer and encourage them.

My biggest concern is battery fires

@cmdrclassified

3 ай бұрын

They aren't using lithium batteries.

@906MediaProductions

3 ай бұрын

​@@cmdrclassifiedthey settled on sodium ion or LiFePO4?

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

no matter the chemistry, it's REALLY hard to set a battery pack on fire, which is why there's so few electric car fires, the electric vehicle fire rates lump passenger cars in with scooters and 'hover'boards. there's like, well over ten thousand ev fires a year, about 500 worldwide are electric passenger cars. what happens after they catch fire is an issue, some chemistries contain an oxidizer that makes them burn HOT. car battery fires are so rare that fire fighters might not know what to do cause the last one was a few years ago. one of the reasons there's more ecar fires is that cobalt isn't used in them as much, if at all, cobalt moderates the reaction to prevent fires during charging, now they use active cooling.

@danielkingery2894

3 ай бұрын

​@@felderupI'd like to see your source material for the exclamation that 'EV fires are SO rare, that no one knows how to fight them.'

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

@@danielkingery2894 well, since i didn't say that...

I would love to convert the drive train in my bus conversion!

If it's designed right, you can absolutely service EVs.... but I'd definitely be extra extra careful if I needed to touch anything hooked up to the high voltage batteries.

EVs are so great ! Just look at that diesel-powered machine !

I don't have a problem with EVs. I have a problem with EV manufacturers. Also I'm not sure how to not fry a battery when my vehicle is parked outside at -50.

@RainbowGin

3 ай бұрын

Keep the battery warm. Or don't discharge/charge it till it's warm again.

@906MediaProductions

3 ай бұрын

At -50 you're plugging it in whether it's diesel or electric. If it's plugged in the batteries are heated in their own insulated case and the diesel generator will be warmed up and ready to go as well.

Planned obsolescence might be an incorrect term. Perhaps monopolization or proprietization is more accurate. Because most manufacturers aren't innovating any of the technology, they are just adding software or a different casing to an existing product and claiming it as their own.

An insurance company here states that EVs are 1.3 times more expensive than normal cars as the service and maintenance is more expensive. Just because the electric motor in its basic shape is more simple, dont mean that an EVs not very complicated, the complicated systems is the control of the motor, power control, charge control, battery management and balancing etc.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

That is planned obsolescence. Electric forklifts or golf carts don't have that problem. Manufactures are just telling a false narrative

Well said.

Everyone must read and understand, that these are examples of electric motors..powered by Diesel engines, good a reliable power source behind them, there is a difference from an electric car and it's power source and how that power is stored and supplied, not trying to badmouth or discourage, just an FYI.

What about when it’s time to rebuild the generator that runs it.I bet that had to get done a few times in fifty years.

To be fair that’s a brushed DC motor, but in a reality they last less than a ac induction motor. There less to electric for sure, only the gear reduction, some connection, a inverter, a cooling system, Nd battery’s

I have freezer in basement which is made like 1960 and motor is going strong for 60 years

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

Our old stove lasted 30 years the new one lasted around 8 years with 3 computer board replacements than they discontinued the part

1:16 GNAR-LEDGE!!!

TOTALLY AGREEE!

I love this company 😊

1:52 even if the electric motor lasted 20 to 30 years, what good is that if you're having to replace the batteries every 5 to 7 years at more than 30% the cost of the car every time?

You don't get a new one you don't rewind your broken motor you get a rebuilt one. Pretty much all of my cars are running with a rebuilt alternator.

Boom! WooWHOO! Love it!

This is the truth. Anyone who doubts this can look at old tools like drills and table saws. Those electric motors last forever if they are not overheated. You might need to change brushes but newer motors are brushless.

Man don't get shot speaking so much truth

Maintenance is "easy" if you just want to pull out and replace parts, but fixing electrical parts is from insignificant, especially control boards. The devil is in the details here, there are decades of people used to doing repairs on diesel and such that are just not going to make the transition to pull out and replace. Let alone the cost of pull out and replace, hopefully there will be core charge discounts on the new parts.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

there were decades of people with experience with carburetors yet most were able to adapt to fuel injection. I see the same thing happen with electrics

@SwordFighterPKN

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be Mechanical is very different than electrical. I say that from the point of view of having doing both.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

@@SwordFighterPKN Modern diesels are nothing but control boards too. My 7.3 powerstroke has some electronics on it but nothing compared to the newer diesels.

Emissions regulations....how are you getting around that both on and off highway?

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

one of their vids said the generator is considered an 'accessory', so even if it were straight pipe from the header, it'd be noisy, but legal.

@D2O2

3 ай бұрын

@@felderup So the engines in all Hybrid drive trains are accessories and emissions exempt?

@bluetoes591

3 ай бұрын

@@D2O2 This is series hybrid. Almost all hybrids in the automotive industry are parallel hybrid where that is not the case.

@D2O2

3 ай бұрын

​@@bluetoes591OK, so the combustion engines used in series hybrids are emissions exempt? The 2025 Ram Charger, BMW i3 REx, Chevy Volt (under moat conditions), Fiskar Karma, Fiskar Revero, Fiskar GS-6, etc.

@bluetoes591

3 ай бұрын

@@D2O2 That I don't know, but I doubt it.

Seems like current EVs are overcomplicated and have expensive parts. When the battery costs as much as a new car, it makes them bad purchases.

@capnkirk5528

3 ай бұрын

Current EVs are like iPhones, stupidly complicated, expensive as heck and full of features for the rich and lazy. Do you REALLY need a motor and a set of controls to open your "frunk"? Your trunk? Your doors? Seriously, do you have some awful muscle-wasting disease? Or just terminal laziness. Do you NEED another tablet to watch Netflix on (where the driver can see it)? Is your car in need of updates SOOO often that YOU MUST have internet connectivity at ALL times (and you can't proxy it with your phone)? (Adding LOCAL WiFi so you CAN get the update while parked at home - or hotspotted to your phone - would cost literally a few bucks). There is a huge opportunity out there if anyone smart enough to take advantage of it comes along.

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

@@capnkirk5528 recently there's been a rash of cars needing to be towed in for reset cause an update failed, they didn't even have a backup limp mode.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

gas vehicles too. Check out the $5000 brake light repair on the newer f150s

@frustrateduser9933

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be all too true

Now you get to maintain a diesel engine AND a full complement of complex electric controllers and sensors. On my 2017 Zero motorcycle, a $0.12 thermocouple shorted in the battery and the factory had no technique to repair it replace it, lowest replaceable component is the $5k battery. Which had 3k miles on it and had just gone out of the 5 year warranty period. What. A. Joke. Took 2 electrical engineers and a complex software system on a laptop to diagnose it, too...without the bike for 4 months. Ill pass😂

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

that sounds like that specific manufacture problem not an inherent problem with the tech itself. Some bmws have the starter motor in the transmission that doesn't mean all gas engines are over complicated and hard to work on

why you decide for 350KW generator and utilize that in max 30% of the time, vs lighter & cheaper ~100KW generator and use that all the time on long haul. and if you clean the exhaust from a diesel engine the easiest way is to add propane injection into the intake. that makes this more economical, better burn in cylinders and add more power.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

the 100kw genset would need more maintenance and a shorter overall life. Just think of a 5ft tall 100lb guy trying to max rep a barbell vs a 6.5ft 250lb guy trying to get max reps on the same weight.

just don't believe in the battery yet it's still expansive here in konoha

@CausticTitan

3 ай бұрын

Thats why a hybrid system like the Edison is ideal. These trucks have batteries, but also have diesel generators on board. The hybrid system gives you the range benefits of diesel with the power benefits of batteries.

It's not the motors I'm worried about, it's the batteries. Whatever EVs look like 20 years from now, they won't be running on Li batteries.

Cool story bro. When will these things be hauling stuff across the usa? Only then will I believe anything you say

Do fire risk next!

@hughbiffingmock

3 ай бұрын

Do you mean the roughly 10,000 ICE vehicle fires in Canada per year? or the 170,000 per year in the United states? This is from the NTSB, not some commie propaganda either: only 25 EVs out of 100,000 caught on fire-that’s quite an impressive result. If we put this next to the number of gas-powered vehicle fires, we’ll get a 6,000% difference (1,529 cases)!

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

yah, it's a bit of a project cause every chemistry has a different risk.

"hes just cleaning up the parts and putting it back together. No way you can just clean up the parts of a diesel engine, put it back together, and have it still be good for another 20 years." Honestly, apart from the rings and bearings(the wear items), you really can.

@danielkingery2894

3 ай бұрын

Just stop...stop with your actual facts and logic...this is a Pro EV forum....ICE is bad....stop poking holes in The Narrative.🤫

@jaredlancaster4137

3 ай бұрын

@@danielkingery2894 I don't think that Edison Motors generally misinforms or misrepresents. I don't think they have anything against diesel engines, they put a diesel in their electric truck after all. This isn't about The Narrative, this is just an exaggeration and a correction.

I consider this to be a bit misleading, you showed the diesel engine with all of its parts except for the fuel tank, but when you presented the electric motor, you didn't include the inverter in that picture. That's like showing just the body of the diesel without its head and calling it a simple machine.

LeTourno really was ahead of his time with diesel electric. Unfortunately too far ahead of his time ...

It just comes down to wear and tear. Average combustion engine has 2.000+ moving parts. An electric motor has less than 10. And what will be easier to solve, a 2.000 piece puzzle or one with 5.

🙂

The (mostly superficial) things that I don't like about electric is first: they're automatic. They don't require multiple gears to get the best efficiency out of the engine. It's just one gear: Go. Maybe I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware, they don't need transmissions; and that sucks because I love driving a manual. 18 speed for win! Second: I like to hear and feel the engine. Even the newer ICE vehicles irk me with how quiet they are; and electrics are dead silent. It's weird. Having an on-board diesel generator would help alleviate this but it's not the same. Third: Gauges. I like gauges. I sure as hell don't like digital gauges or screens that I have to flip through menus to find the relevant information. Gauges are much faster to reference. They also look nice. Fourth: In the case of an all-electric: charging time. We all know this issue. Nothing more to say. Fifth: Though this isn't exclusive to electrics, electrics, so far, are only being done this way; and that is the look. That new, space-age, aerodynamic, all digital, pug fugly look. I hate it. I like the old style trucks. So I can appreciate that you guys are making your truck somewhat like that. Though I'm not sold on the cab style.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

his truck is a diesel electric hybrid like a freight train

It's all relative. I hate working with anything that l can't see or touch, a.k.a electricity (specially the high V kind). I don't mind taking apart and putting back together a diesel that has as many parts as a wrist watch. It all about feeling comfortable with what you own and knowing how to repair it yourself.

@DerUnbbekante

3 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure you can touch electricity. Jokes aside, I know high voltage is serious business but you sound like someone who says things like "I have always done it this way. Why change?" and isn't willing to learn. You should be grateful that someone out there is actively working on the mission to improve our means of transportation for the future and is very much against status quo with big (automotive) tech.

I would not be surprised they will invent the electric motor that needs an oil change and belts and sensors and filter. Trust me, the system of greed will spawn such a vehicle. Something that is so inherently complicated and forcing the user to get some sort of fuel for their EV, some sort of documentation, some sort of license, something that forces the user into paying something constantly, the same as for combustion engines.

Does coral like the spool? Why ye put it right in front of her eyes?

Evs could be sooo easy to maintain and could last way longer than normal cars/Trucks if manufacturers gave a shit and would stop putting all that useless electronic garbane into these. Just imagine a 30 Year old reliable car but as an ev

@bluetoes591

3 ай бұрын

Yup. All modern cars are touchscreen trinkets that happen to also be cars. Today's EV tech applied in a circa 2000 car would be simple and good.

@XA--pb9ni

3 ай бұрын

@@bluetoes591 Exactly. I really like my 20 Year old Toyota, it has buttons and switches for climate controll so i can controll it basically without looking. It they made that exact car but as an EV it would be great. EVs could be to simple i mean there is not much to them.. Motor, Charger, Battery, Batteryprotection circuitry and Motorcontroller (ESC) That´s it.

Like I’ve always said I hope you got good life insurance you’re pissing some big boys off. Keep being the monkey wrench in the system. Hopefully we get rid of planned obsolescence! Thanks for everything you guys do!

Check out who killed the electric car? there is a scene where a mechanic has the parts out on a dolly compared to an electric and he said the ease of working on them,

The induction motors you use are even simpler. Sure, rewinding a stator is no fun, but it's an old profession at this point.

Im pro right to repair and repairing over replacing but the math doesn't work out great for moving big things long distances using battery power and the mining industry needed for batteries and motors is not greener or more sustainable than oil based transport.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

It is a hybrid not a full EV

@obancameron

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be then why did he post a video where he only talks about EV vs combustion engines and how much better motors are because of simplicity and maintenance being lower. What a useless video if the vehicle behind him is actually a hybrid haha. It would have an engine to worry about AND and electric system. Waste of life clickbait.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

@@obancameron Cause it is a series hybrid like a freight train. He was disproving the myth that electric motors are so complicated that you need a PhD to work on them. Do you think freight trains were a massive failure over the 70 years or so they been used? I would watch the DeBoss garage that goes way much in depth before you dismiss the tech. With a series hybrid the diesel runs at a constant rpm which has a much better wear pattern in the engine that is why bulldozers or large generator engines last 3x longer than on road engines that are changing rpms all the time. Also hybrid cars have been on the market for over 25 years and have proven lower total cost of ownership of the life of the vehicle even if it needs its traction battery replaced. Just driving on the road it is still common to see 20 year old prius still on the road. My uncle had 200k miles on his 07 before it got totaled. He drives a 3rd gen 2011 now with over 150k miles on it. Newer hybrids have only a tiny price premium over a conventional gas car too. A Camry hybrid is only $2k more than a conventional gas only

@obancameron

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be dude I'm a licensed diesel mechanic chill, I know the tech plenty having worked with it for my entire career. I said nothing about trains etc being a bad design, on the contrary I think the diesel hybrid is the best solution for moving large payloads, stationary equipment etc. but that has nothing to do with this video where he clearly states motors are less maintenance and moving parts over ice engines in a pro EV light. It seems awfully hypocritical to say that and then have both. I think both (diesel hybrid) is good but that's not the message in this video. I stick by what I said, clickbait nonsense video. Maybe his other stuff is good. Great for him.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

@@obancameron this entire channel is about the promoting the diesel electric truck that is in development. You seam to hold them to a impossible standard cause of one short video they didn't mention that

I'd love a link to the full video of that guy repairing the motor!

So, the truck at the sawmill is diesel.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

so is the logging truck and freight trains

@bigboy9693

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be So what is the point of it as it is a hybrid and not an EV.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

@@bigboy9693 to save total life time cost on fuel and maintenance. I would check out the Deboss garage hour long video on it to get a more in depth knowledge on it

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

@@bigboy9693 to save on total lifetime cost of fuel and maintenance of the truck. A logging truck burns hundreds of dollars of fuel a day, reducing fuel and maintenance cost by 30-50% will make logging far more efficient. It is a series hybrid like a freight train. A parallel hybrid like a Prius is a bit more complicated cause it still has a transmission but they a long track record of being cheaper to own than a conventional gas only vehicle. It is still common to see 20 year old priuses on the road today many well over 200k miles. A diesel electric should be able to do many times that as the engine is fixed at the most efficient rpm like a freight train or large generator. The biggest problem with series hybrid for on road vehicles was weight but now batteries are far more energy dense and solved that problem and it weights no more than a conventional diesel only truck

@bigboy9693

3 ай бұрын

@@JD-yx7be I was simply calling out the title which leads you to believe it is an EV when it is not, while I understand what you say, it still takes the same amount of energy generated by the engine to do the work. PS I have seen a Toyota corolla that had 350K on the car.

So if every EV, car or truck came with a diesel powered generator to power the electric motors all will be OK. Now how are you going to power the diesel without fuel? If you think about using used cooking oil, there is gonna have to be a lot of cooking. I agree elec motors strong and reliable but battery not feasible for long term that is why hybrids are the best options needing fossil fuels, for the foreseeable future.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

Newer diesel can't run on used cooking oil do to the higher pressure injectors. My 7.3L powerstoke is one of the last diesels capable of running it with minimal modification and the engine was discounted in 2003. You also lost about 20% of power and it doesn't work well under colder climates

Its not the motor for repair that is the problem. Its the battery, it makes the vehicle heavy, cannot take damage you don't repair the battery you have to replace it thats how many 10's of thousands in cost the car is uneconomical to repair buy a new one. Which impacts insurance costs. The recycling of these batteries doesn't happen currently, there is a business for somebody to start. Oh and don't run it or try to recharge it in the cold. How many cycles of carging will it last for? Batteries deteriorate your 100 mile range at new is 75 or less in how many years? 20 to 50 percent less range in sub zero weather. Also the power has to come from somewhere, so your burning hydrocarbon to create power to transmit the power losing some on the way, to charge the zero emissions vehicle ? Cos nobodys building enough windmills or dams or solar plants, so its coal , oil, or nuclear. EV are ok for some but currently not good enough for most.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

It is a hybrid the power comes from the diesel. Hybrid cars have been around for over 25 years and they do have a recycling program. I think the Prius has been on the market since 97 in Japan. The lfp batteries they use have around 3000 charge cyles.

Let's be honest you just spent 4 days trying to fix a electrical glitch 32 hrs x150.00 hr shop rate 4800.00 without parts and it still wasn't fixed right🤔🤔🤔🤔

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

Yeah is still in development and testing phase. Do you think Toyota or GM gets it right the first time?

If electric motors are good enough to be used on the mars rovers, they are good enough to be used on earth

@felderup

3 ай бұрын

interestingly, the rugged, tough, metal wheels are the limiting factor on the rovers, the motors and batteries would last decades, but the wheels wear off.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

space is fake

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

you mean filmed on Dover Island, canada.

The only reason EVs are so bad for repairs is becuase of DRM in the software of most vendors.

How about showing a computer rebuild 😂

@RainbowGin

3 ай бұрын

Check out Louis Rossman

OH NO! Cats out the bag there copper in those there Electric cars. Now the copper thieves are going on a hunt. 😜

So maybe I’m gonna show my ignorance here… You’re still using a diesel motor in the generator. You’re getting a loss in efficiency and if the motor goes out you still have to fix the DIESEL motor. I get that electric motors have better low speed consistent torque but that’s the only reason I can see for this setup.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

I would watch the DeBoss garage video on it. It answers this question in depth

My question is who r u going to get to do that u shipping it across seas to have it done because as lazy as the people in the US are u will do good to find one and train them to rebuild the little electric motor much less the big one I drove trucks 33 years and let me give u something to consider every single year for 33 years the mechanics that worked on trucks got less every year so with that being said now each area I know of has one big shop that to pay them to work on it is around 200$ and hour so how much do you think those truck mechanics that work on your truck r going to be paid it’s a special type of truck so I will say around 300 or 400$ and hour and with freight not wanting to go up when that truck breaks down how r you going to get it fixed weather it be a big company or smaller company’s and listen I’m not bashing what you are saying or doing I agree we need some different that works and is cheaper to operate but I’m just not sure what u r doing is it but who knows who can afford one of those much less 10 or 100

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

I remember when tire shops would refuse to work on the Prius in the early 00s now most don't bat an eye. Like all newer tech it will take time to transition.

The electric motors are not the problem with electric cars.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

His truck is a hybrid

You are bashing the diesel for being harder to repair but…. You still need one of those to power the electric motors. So really the only thing you are eliminating is the transmission.

@drewbueckert7870

3 ай бұрын

I still think it’s a decent concept just kinda find it interesting how you are bashing a still crucial part of the power source for a lot of these types of machines (electric powered by generator)

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

wasn't bashing at all. He was disproving a myth that electric is supper complicated and you needed a Phd to fix

Man come on the motor is the least of the worries..its the electronics and wiring. And..if the motor has an issue then 100% no pakistani can just refurbish it like that..lot more complex than the one shown. That said...i dont even have any worries.

@JD-yx7be

3 ай бұрын

If you been under the hood of any car made in the last 35 years they are loaded with wiring also and have many ecu modules. I am currently having electronic issues with my 95 f150 which is and ODB 1 vehicle and is harder to diagnose than a 96 f150 which is an ODB 2 with much more data to pinpoint were a problem is

legacy automakers didn't simplify, they went high-tech and even _more_ plastic parts. Waste!