Debunking Destiny: Twilight's Kingdom
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Was twilight’s kingdom planned? In this video The Brony Notion and I discuss that possibility.
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7 жыл бұрын
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6 жыл бұрын
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5 жыл бұрын
I didn’t. Do I dislike?
I came here from the Brony Notion channel.
@thelooneyturtle
9 жыл бұрын
Harrison Walters nice to hear
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9 жыл бұрын
Same
@snowviews7226
6 жыл бұрын
Me too
@bear9695
3 жыл бұрын
meh too
@Adachi_Zephyr
3 жыл бұрын
Mee too
Why Celestia, you sure did have a deep, manly voice as a young filly!
@SawtoothWaves
9 жыл бұрын
We joked about that while writing the script haha. And trust me, his Celestia voice is even worse😂
@cannibalisticrequiem
9 жыл бұрын
Well now I need to hear it! xD
@somethingfunny5571
9 жыл бұрын
Me too
@sparklewolfgirl6742
6 жыл бұрын
Jes o
@mysterionkenny2358
6 жыл бұрын
I know this is extramly old but I love your zecora idea and i think it fits amazingly
You can scratch the "Pony of Shadows" theory all together. The writer himself said it was just an ending gag.
@thelooneyturtle
9 жыл бұрын
Zodia195 We considered that when writing the script but decided that it's still an interesting possibility regardless of the writers intentions. I still believe that there isn't as much evidence to support it but it's a different and interesting possibility ^^
@TheZedThing
6 жыл бұрын
Thelooneyturtle I actually made a theory on who that mysterious being at the end of "Castle Mania"
@neorenamon
6 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness writers never mislead anyone, eh?
Hay(see what I did)! Wasn't it Celestia the one who gave the apple family the area of land that became Ponyville.
@MySunshade
9 жыл бұрын
yayfei Yes it was
@yayfei
9 жыл бұрын
MySunshade Either Celestia was planning ahead or she was, planning ahead.
@MySunshade
9 жыл бұрын
But how could she have know that it would lead up to becoming Ponyville and what happens after? She couldn't have possibly know about all of that.
@yayfei
9 жыл бұрын
Maybe, but it's strange how any pony didn't make a village around the castle of the two sisters. You would think that they would right???
@MySunshade
9 жыл бұрын
Maybe they didn't because they thought they could have a fresh start and/or didn't want to be close to the castle after it was destroyed.
+RubyRibbionRougeAngel 78 "See into the future" is what I said at the time that she was on screen. I put garnet in the video because while we weren't talking about steven universe, it was a fun reference to throw in. it's kinda like that doctor who picture at the beginning, while it wasn't directly related to the video it was a fun reference that I threw in.
@lucia5556
9 жыл бұрын
Thelooneyturtle do you have the alicorn amulet in your room
@thelooneyturtle
9 жыл бұрын
maybe...
@just4funmagic83
9 жыл бұрын
Derp 9___6
@ilikeponies.5247
9 жыл бұрын
Actually the Journal of the Two Sisters was approved by Hasbro. Everything in it is canon.
@JadenYukifan28
9 жыл бұрын
Thelooneyturtle Also, there was that thing about the Castle that was created from the Crystal box...How did Celestia know it was Twilight's? It could have been anypony's.....
This blew my mind. When you were talking about Twilight needing to be close to home, and then the key, everything just made sense!
4:12 But you know what isn’t!? THIS BOOK!!
@thelooneyturtle
6 жыл бұрын
+Sunset Shimmer The Overpowered Unicorn lol
This just proves my theory. Celestia pushes the mane six to their accomplishments. Also, it couldn't be Zecora, well, not near completely, she needed alicorn Magic to have Twilight look into the past, she said she already tested it, and it can be activated only with Alicorn Magic. :\ So unless Zecora watched them completely, the entire time, And made her prediction on what to do, and got lucky, it couldn't be her.
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@friendlyopossum972
9 жыл бұрын
And another
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9 жыл бұрын
AND another
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9 жыл бұрын
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@swhero4mer4jesus
9 жыл бұрын
Bedlam The princess I LIKE IT!!! ANOTHER!!!
@tails1152
9 жыл бұрын
And another (I couldn't help myself :D)
IT WAS PINKIE PIE SHE CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE/PAST
What do I think? I think you better not be dissing Pinkie Pie or underestimating her phenomenal cosmic power.
i think you guys really work well together, id like to see more videos like this
I have a theory, maybe the tree of harmony is a combination of the past princesss, and that's another theory on its own
Good video
Celestia is leader of the illuminati
@SawtoothWaves
9 жыл бұрын
Arygua ΔΔΔ Illuminati Confirmed!
@LpsBetterInMotion
9 жыл бұрын
The Brony Notion you got me in ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED
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9 жыл бұрын
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9 жыл бұрын
ILLUMANATI IS THE GOD OF US ALLLLLLLLL
@LpsBetterInMotion
9 жыл бұрын
thats not how you spell it
Define Desteny DEFINE DESTENY DEFINE *DESTENY* Toirtle, u did a gud.
I love the Zecora idea. It's an interesting theory, and I would love to hear more about it... Perhaps you and TBN could make another vid about it?
Anything should be measured and calculated not with math not with physics but with time... Cactus.
I LOVE the outro
The tree of harmony could also be a sentient being guiding everything. For all we know it's an ancient spirit that sees all. :P
the shadow pony is starswirl... nuff said
omg this is so cool I'm a starter on Thelooneyturtle but a big fan of The Brony Notion XD
Yes I knew Zecora was or is the pony of shadows. My brother knew too.
Very interesting theory. It does explain alot.
BOTH theories are possible my head hurts with all the info here! nice job!
that is drepy
Oh my god this theory is amazing
i think celestia can se into the future because she said that twighligt had to check the preperation at the first episode and they all ended up as her friends. so i think that celestia can se into the future like this coment if you think the same
this is very interesting:O
@thelooneyturtle
6 жыл бұрын
+BigHunTraps glad to hear :)
It's true that this was all predestined or prophesied but the who isn't just one entity, but the Court of Harmony itself. Every being that is apart of the Court of Harmony has contributed to the battle and defeat of not just Tirek, but all of the villains of the show and movies (including Luna's evil counterpart, the Tantabus). The Court of Harmony is the inter dimensional (because of Equestria girls) Government of the multi-verse of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and Equestria Girls which has been fully established in secret by not just Starswirl Lebearded, but others. All of the villains create the Court of Disharmony and the two governments have been battling throughout time. It's all a test.
1:03 :OOOOOOO also, 3:02 Garnet's pose was like she was saying to us, "Likka boss"
What if DISCORD was the mastermind behind it all?
I think that Celestia planned the whole Discord betrayal thing, Discord was meant to do this, notice how he winked at Celestia at the end of the episode, when he is giving flowers to her. She probably knew that Tirek had the sixth key and that bringing an old friend to Tirek would make him give something he doesn't really care about as a sign of "friendship". Also to note, Twilight was wondering what she meant to be as a princess and then a song pops up saying "You'll play your part" like if they knew all along that Twilight had to spread the magic of friendship all across Equestria, like she already does in season 5. I don't know, maybe this is the reason, also, I wouldn't be really surprised that Zecora can also see the future.
knew it.
Great!
Cool!
Bronynotion and Thelooneyturtle the actual being pulling the strings and is an all mighty and omnipotent being that is not only seeing but writing the future is the bloody "TREE OF HARMONY"!!!!!
Woo! Notion!
Ok, there's some wibbly-wobbly-timey-whimy stuff going on here...
@aura_flower3385
3 жыл бұрын
Lol
Love the Minecraft stuff in the intro
Haha, that Steven Universe reference! XD LOVE IT!
Interesing point with Zecora, which brings me to an idea. Perhaps Zecora was actually an agent of the crown from he get go, sent to the Everfree forest by Celestia, to lay the groundwork for Twilight's time in Ponyville.
I think zecora helped celestia. Lets say celestia wants to know more about the main six rather then just some small visions. Being busy back at cantorlot she asks zecora to help since as brony nation said that applebloom said “zecora has a potion for everything.” So of course celestia goes to her. Zecora works with her, gets her the information and they make a plan.
I think you are missing the real power player here. let me ask you some questions -What gave Celestia and Luna the power to become the rulers of Equestria? -what gave them the tools and power to seal away all the major threats to Equestria? -What took that power away when one of the sisters rebelled and had to be sent to the moon? -what gave that power back when a new group called the Elements of harmony came into the picture, but this time to the mane six and not to the two sisters? -Why does Celestia say she is no longer capable of using the elements, as if who ever runs those objects favored Twilight now over her? -What feeds them insight into the future and has a invested interest in harmony? -what gave twilight her own castle at the end of season four, as a means of specifically sending orders DIRECTLY to Twilight as supposed to THROUGH Celestia -What had the box that had the power to defeat Tirek -What organized the mane six to all find their cutie marks at the same time AND arranging the hatching of spike while doing it -what has so much power that not even Discord wants to mess with it beyond indirectly planting seeds that took hundreds upon hundreds of years to even come to the surface? -What was around before any of the ponies before they even set hoof in Equestria and brought Windegos along with them, thus endangering its lands? The real power player who organized not only the defeat of Tirek, but gathered the elements of harmony, can see into the future, gave the castle to Twilight, filled them with rainbow magic, orchestrates their every major plot point, and has been behind every deux Ex Machina in the show is none other than *The Tree Of Harmony*
@thelooneyturtle
9 жыл бұрын
KZread, All I want to do is watch a video, stop making me update. let me answer your questions -According to "The Journal of the two sisters" it was the hearths warming eve leaders....and starswirl the bearded. -The tree of harmony -If I remember right, celestia said that she could only use a fraction of the elements power to trap luna in the moon. Meaning that luna still held a fraction of it's power...similar to how, Without the other elements, twilight was able to use her crown's power in equestria girls. Then again, there's still allot of unclear information in regards to the elements of harmony. -Celestia and luna were no longer in harmony with each other, ergo a new group was needed to wield the elements of harmony. It could be speculated that celestia was behind the mane six getting the elements because for one twilight needed to "Make some friends" and two, celestia can insure that the mane six were in charge of preparations for the summer sun celebration. -other than plot convenience, nightmare moon was defeated when celestia and luna were still out of harmony. A new group wielded them, rendering the previous bearers obsolete. -Celestia, luna, discord, and zecora during the first 4 seasons and the cutie map, courtesy of the tree of harmony, has been a recent development. -The tree of harmony gave twilight the castle, but there isn't allot of evidence that the tree has been speaking through celestia. -The tree of harmony -that is speculation, it could also be claimed that "destiny" is behind it all. also, Who just so happened to be passing by when twilight's magic whent crazy? -discord had the power to hide the elements of harmony and turn the bairros against each other. I think you're giving the tree too much credit, and discord doesn't always make sense...ergo his plans don't always work. -We dont even know where the tree of harmony came from, more or less when it appeared in equestria. I'm still not completely convinced that the tree of harmony is the main player behind the major event's in equestria. it may play a part, but there's only soo much that a tree can do to change the things around it. I would also like to say, just for the record, that the tree of harmony has never been a deus ex machina because it didn't just come out of nowhere. The tree was introduced through a flashback sequence and explained to have held a great deal of power before it saved the day. While a deus ex machina is something that comes out of nowhere when all hope is lost and saves the day. More on that in this video by camgosepony: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ga2f0a2PndTHXdo.html
@StopChangingMyNameYoutube1
9 жыл бұрын
I really need to read this tale of two sisters book. I could very well be giving it too much credit, but it is fairly clear (to me at least) that it at least is a big player if not the main one. The fact that the castle that the tree made is sending the mane six on specific missions says there is strings being pulled and its not from Celestia. Its also the origin of the elements of harmony as well. Still you've given my big theory a run for its money, you have no idea how fun that is for me :D I'd rather my theory be blown out of the water than have it unchallenged and wrong, that's just no fun for anyone.
@anigoel6189
5 жыл бұрын
oh yea that makes sense...
@anigoel6189
5 жыл бұрын
but wait starswirl was the one who CREATED the tree of harmony and the elements, so it's starswirl who's behind all this
@aura_flower3385
3 жыл бұрын
I- O.o
An interesting point for zecora was that the potion to see into the past requires alicorn magic. Not to mention all potions would most likely have a limited shelf life, so the potion was probably fresh. How would Zecora know it would be needed when she was rudely kicked out of her home by the plunder vines?
Cool hallway thingy because they don't always pop up in the last minute. Anyways I think Celestia can see into the future starting from the first episode of mlp. Celestia knew how to "fix" Luna without doing it the hard way again.
I think pinkie saw into the future.
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@anarmythatblinks2384
8 жыл бұрын
Same!!!
@halfamoonie
8 жыл бұрын
Midnight Blue YEAH!
I'm dying over Garnet right now! XD
Zacora must be behind this imma make a video give ya link when done
Celestia can DEFINITELY see into the future. Because she made a stained glass window of twilight that also included twilight's journal. But that stained glass window was seen BEFORE the episode about the journal!
Interesting, I like ^^
@halfamoonie
8 жыл бұрын
YOU HAVE TO DO A COLLAB WITH THE BRONY NOTION!!!!!
@anarmythatblinks2384
8 жыл бұрын
+Opal Fusion FREAKING YES!!!!
Say The Door if you came from Who is Starlight Glimmer? by Brony Notion!!!
When turtle said, "follow the sound of my voice" it sounded like a younger Markiplier.
when the ppl said look into the futcher garnet was FLYING
seems legit. entertained by the conflict between you two lol. although i agree with The Brony Notion seems that zecora was the master mind (if any)
Another possibility is it could be Celestia, Luna and Zecora all working together. All three of them are very smart and rarely straightforward unless absolutely necessary. On another topic, I was wondering if you'd like to do a collab on my channel sometime. I'm still working on my first actual episode... and I already have 3 more lined up with ideas... but I'm always looking for people to join me and share their differing ideas. Not to mention, it'd be funny if you showed up in the middle of a video reply to one of your videos. I think the viewers would like that. Anyways, I hope to hear from you soon. I think you'd like how I'm gonna end up decorating my room. Turtles everywhere. I could just see Looney getting lost in the background.
1 problem I see with zecora seeing into the future with that potion, she said that only alicorn magic could activate the potion to see into the furture, UNLEASE there was a secret different way for zebras to look into the future but im not sure
i watch this after the brony notification n thing
7:21 the shadow pony is the shadow pony in season 7's ending. they may not have the same eyes but it's a pretty safe bet.
Love the garnet 😂
I really think its Zecora because in the episode Cutie Mark part 2 from season 5 , she somehow knew how that Twilight was from a different timeline and knew she was the one who had to save the day. And if she knew that Twilight could save the day against Starlight Glimmer, then she would have to know that Twilight would save the day against Tirek too!
3:00 who's outline is tha- * sees da floating garnet * oh it's sapphire
So far I noticed the history of equestia was a violent one because there is evidence of wars and mythological creatures putting pony's in a agonizing state so how intelligent is there military or how violent was it ( I love the background music please tell what it is)
@Rebeccah1968
9 жыл бұрын
The wonderbolts are a military or airforce type thing
@notnashi2374
9 жыл бұрын
Rebecca Clark yup
@Mysticgamer
9 жыл бұрын
Rebecca Clark military. Their performances are just like the blue angels.
i think what knew all of that was going to happen was the tree of harmony because it must of known that tirek destroyed the library(twilight's home) because the thing had a castle in its crystal chest
Love the memes
Maybe Celestia & Zecora are working together to help the main 6 eventually rule Equestria. This could be the eventual end the series. It could end in an end where they take over leadership of Equestria .
Sees garnet niiiice XD
We actually found out about who the pony of shadows is
5:14 Celestia is a true legend
Have you read the comic?
5:34 twilights head turns all the way back like an owl that would hurt..... if you weren't an owl
I like both turtle and notion
3:05 *Any one else notice the second "the" in the sentence?*
i do think it was zecora and she might have a spell to change her state of matter to a gas or even a plasma like fire when they were around one like he said she has a potion for every thing
Yeah but in sweetie belles nightmare luna saw raritys future
If I may what if the dream suggests another form of seeing into the future. I'd like to point at a popular subject known as "Omens" or in definition "Symbolism often having a spiritual or dramatic meaning be it good or evil" Let's say Celestia did have awareness that the evils she faced would soon come back once again and knew that in that time she may not be able to stop it on her own. She could recieve an omen or form of foreshadowing with the tree of harmony or some other source before taking the steps to hopefully ensure the worlds safety. Zecora could very well have been either alive or passed down the stories of these events from ancestors seeing as her tribal based design would suggest that like many native people she is family oriented and stories of folk lore isn't uncommon I'd imagine. She acts as a voice of wisdom kind of like your old grandmother who could tell you about the world wars she may not have participated but her intelect is a huge help sometimes when making decisions. (How do you guys thing this holds up ? Please be kind in pointing out flaws it's just a minor theory not to debunk it but perhaps just retwist it a tad)
I just finished watching all the Key episodes of season 4. in episode 8 at the station there is a shadow that belongs to a pony off screen. in rainbow falls there is a zebra just standing around staring at something. and that something is rainbow dash on the course. however it is too far to see the cutie mark. zecora was on the stage in one part of Pinkie pride, in episode 16 a shadow appeared same with Leap of Faith too. here are the unknown shadows too of season 4 episode 7,17,19,21,23
The pony of shadows definitely isn’t zecora (idk how to spell it lol) since it was the shadow that had the eyes, I think that the long of shadows is literally a shadow
i have the journal of the two sisters, and i was sitting in my bed (which had my bookcase on it) and when he mentioned the journal of the two sisters i pulled it out and whispered "The journal of the two sisters...." xDDD
you scaerd my the portal dimention:O
The pony of shadow was probably an open ending to make it creepyer
ZECORA O-O She's been busy keeping track of a rambunctious Alicorn OC that can't use magic XD
My sister was watching the episode of garnet and steven tellig him the futue so when it appeard on here I burst out laughing
all the kyes came from a cherecter who learn the frendship lesson...discode learn the friendship lesson too....and the finial kye came from him,...
The beginning sounds a bit like my own theory (not out yet) only that I think DISCORD had planned it all.
It's inpossible to see into a future because it can be changed.
I read the journal of the two sisters
wait after i heard Starswhirl the breaded time traveled dose that mean sometime in the series we will be able meet him? o.o or is zecora is starshirl?
@thelooneyturtle
9 жыл бұрын
Stephani Dick I hope we see starswirl in the future, but I think it's a bit far fetched to say he's zecora.
I never got if that hallway is the Rift or not, either. XP
What about when Discord got the key. He didn't tell Tierk about Twilight, because he didn't have the key. He also said once he got the key "And now, I have it". That could have meant that he wanted his gratitude and loyalty, or that Discord had planned it all along. You and Notion made pretty good points about Discord planning this. Also, Lord of Chaos, and let's not forget his first appearance when he took Twilight back in time. I wouldn't mind betting he can see into the future.
2:26 Its a simple explanation, just watch rescue from midnight castle, witch is the 1986 TV special witch also featured the first TV appearance of AJ or Applejack
I think Discord knew, nearly from the beginning that he had to give Twilight her key, he just didn't know the circumstances surrounding it. His "friendship test" in Three's a Crowd was an attempt to fulfill the requirements to grant her her key, but it failed because he did not truly understand how it worked. The circumstances and the lesson learned needed to be genuine, not manufactured and manipulated into place through deception. So it was indeed Discord that marked the book.
I think that Zecoras involvement is a plausible theory. Maybe after helping out Twilight in the second trixie episode she purposely got involved and watched over the mayne six, but in secret. It may be a bit too far back though. Celestias involvement I see being less likely though. I know some bronys like to see her as a god of ponies and she is pretty powerful but I see her visions to be warings to her and not sightings into the future. To the time travelling thing...I see it being less likely as well...where would she go to see these things? And if Celestia did put the bookmarks in the journals and I don't see it likely that she went on a secret mission to snatch it and read it before getting the right colour bookmarks to put in and know exactly what to do before the main six and herself. I'm confudleing myself.
Do you think well end um with 2 alicorns 2 unicorn 2 pegases and 2 earth ponies? Because the season 1 started with 222 and now it can be 2 2 2 2 alicorns twilight nd sunset uncorns starligh and rarity pegasuses dash and shy 2 earth aple and pie
What episode was that on the brony notions channel. I know it's an episode becuz I watched it before but I forgot
@aetherwakee
7 жыл бұрын
theepisode is who is starlight glimmer
To answer your question about how much control celestia has over the other two parters, I have a head cannon that I think can explain it. We have seen Twilight use scientific instruments to measure magic before, and I believe the same can be said about the elements of harmony. As has been said in many other reviewers videos, Celestia always seems to know more about what is going on than she lets on. Except in one, A Canterlot Wedding, the only one with no ties to the elements of harmony.
You guys forgot about Bon Bon, aka Special Agent Sweetie Drops! Oh, I suppose so because she doesn't reveal herself until the next season