Marvel toy manufacturers be like "Oh before sending these out to Amazon, remember to call ... *Dave* "

@bonerman99

10 ай бұрын

Hasbro: lol, Dave who?

@cmoss11467

6 ай бұрын

And the Hunt brothers thought they could corner the silver market

If Marco says “ok, got it” that’s means he has everything he needs to slam dunk you.

@corrosivesprings9526

6 ай бұрын

I love just watching his face during these debates lol. You can tell when he gets a check mate

I really feel sorry for Dale. Something is off. How can you go from “retiring” to schlepping business cards at baseball games enticing people with $50 discounts. Really? That’s your business plan? Every time I hear a MLM’er tell me they’re retired, I take that with a huge grain of salt because their definition of “retirement” is different than mine. If I was retired, I’d be sitting in the luxury box lounge enjoying the game and the fellowship of my friends/family, not cold-call prospecting strangers at baseball games. 😮😮😢😢 Super Sad for Dale.

@lmusima3275

11 ай бұрын

Yeah there’s something strange about this guy. I’m assuming he hadn’t been honest with the tax man which is why he’s returning to this illegal pyramid “business.” Look at his face, he’s 😞 you see how he’s being dismantled, falling apart at Marco’s questions.

@thewolf2153

11 ай бұрын

He’s not schlepping to people. He has morons that are doing that for him.

@cmoss11467

6 ай бұрын

It was actually worse… $5 discounts

@123licci

4 ай бұрын

Retirement is different for everyone. I have a stepdad that is retired but likes to work on different business and stuff.

I’m an avid sports cards collector and there are significant flaws with selling this way 😂

@ryanvalencia8008

11 ай бұрын

I’ll just stick to buying and selling at local shows (free/low cost of entry), ebay (sales tax/fees),Twitter/Facebook groups, and paid discord services (community). The fallacy is that he’s bought and everything has or will gone/go up. It doesn’t work that way. I looked and he has one football card. Specifically in sports cards, big corporations (Fanatics) are already monopolizing/consolidating the industry. Also, I think he means Funko Pop and not shopkins 😂

55:00 Please Marco, don't be so tough on him. You have these "anti-MLM" glasses on where you see reality as reality and you're talking about facts, it's really hurting his narrative of lies and bs.

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

11 ай бұрын

That's when he goes RED too 🤣🤣🤣

I listened to this while I was working. I have to say Dale really tested my patience.... I was getting so frustrated at him avoiding and going back in circles and repeating this damn 450 billion dollar. Marco seriously you did such an amazing job staying professional with this interview. Massive props to you !

@DaleHardiman

2 ай бұрын

Every network marketer that Marco debates does the same thing because they know he’s caught them out!

Marco I want a t-shirt that says "mumbo jumbo flimflam nonsense"

@suzinaccache

11 ай бұрын

OMG YES!

@SharayaMW

10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 I would also make that purchase and wear it proudly.

The man, the myth, the legend….. “Dave”

37:07 he’s killing me “I’ll tell you a legit company but first let me tell you about how to make money on collectibles “

Dale appears very excited that "this has never been done before" and that, instead of consumables, his company sells collectables. But there's a big reason MLM companies have stuck to consumables and why almost all the billion dollar MLM companies sell consumables - it's what works inside the MLM model. Mind you, I'm not defending MLM, but for decades, companies and MLM leaders across the industry have stressed why consumables make companies successful. Getting distributors and customers on auto-ship for a monthly supply of vitamins or shampoo or whatever means ongoing residual sales. Finding customers who buy a collectable every now and then is a very poor way of establishing an ongoing income, and a great way to go crazy racing around day and night trying to find new customers...So, even if you believed in MLM, Collect Direct would be a dubious choice.

Year 2045: Dave is half-man, half plastic toy. He sits in a leather chair overlooking his endless warehouse. Semi trucks and train cars are coming and going. Dave spins around in his chair and punches a monitor. He screams, proclaiming "Marco, with my MLM scheme, I will own the collector industry. Then...THE WORLD! You can't stop me, Marco!"

@suzinaccache

11 ай бұрын

OMG THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT EVER

@JayMaverick

11 ай бұрын

The retail industry speaks of Dave in whispers, most considering him an urban legend, a ghost in the machine, somehow creating infinite wealth out of... baseball cards.

@lmusima3275

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I would LOVE to debate Dale on the sports card market 😂

Hey Marco, Love the channel and your brilliant mind and approach in unraveling the complexity of the motives, mechanisms, means and mindsets required to entrap people into these MLM pyramid schemes. On another note, Are you familiar with the Watts family murders and the connection to LeVel MLM? It would make an intriguing show. You could create a ton of engagement because even though Chris Watts murdered his entire family a few years ago - the case and his motive and the role Level played in the toxic family dynamic still intrigues a lot people. Keep up the good work. Cheers,

So glad you called him out for the fake comments 😂

This is similar to the gold and silver coins mlms which went through a ton of hype then died down when folks jumped to other "shiny objects" mlms.

“What if Dave got hit by a bus” “That is a concern yes” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 amazing question lmaoooooooo

Him disengaging and touching his face and trying to stay engaged or look engaged has me laughing

@mrunlimited3

11 ай бұрын

Classic body language of someone who knows they’ve been had

You can't even shop in their website without "Joining their team". This is not a legit business.

I love how you held dudes hand during the conversation, before throwing him off the cliff 😂. Another great video Marco!

NOW THAT WAS AN INTELLIGENT QUESTION

Marco slower speech when talking to the elderly 😂😂😂

Interesting thing, on the website you cannot shop as a customer unless you join team. Dave Joran's last business, Valentus was the same when I was with it. There was no difference between customers and reps... if you wanted to purchase a product package you had to sign up as a rep

The Dave dude he's talking about that has a warehouse full of collector's items was the owner of Valentus, a coffee/drinks MLM. Real question is, if he has such a valuable collection, why would he not just setup a simple e-commerce website and do some easy marketing to sell the collectibles? Why does the MLM structure even exist if the collectibles are so valuable?

Your GoonCon anniversary 8/21 is my birthday. ❤🎉 By the way, you conducted yourself so professionally and held it together in the face of the non sensical word merry go round you endured with Dale

@barklet

11 ай бұрын

Marco was so polite, more than Dale deserved really

I got a couple takeaways about this legitimate MLM from this video. First of all it's super interesting they decided to go with collectibles as a product, which is literally the most useful product for money laundering since the value could literally be anything and you can make a legitimate looking margin on it lol. They're starting with $2.5bn from some guy's personal collection? So this guy is likely top 50 richest people on earth considering he spent $2.5bn on a collection (which would make it one of the highest value "collections" in the world)? Sounds more likely to me, referring to the first point, they're heavily inflating the price of the collectibles to make a massive margin on it. This guy named beanie babies, really? Those are barely collecting and rarely for good value. People in the 90s bought the shit out of them hoping they would become collectible, only for the market to crash because no one wanted to collect them. Perfect product to inflate value out of. Good luck selling $100 a month (or whatever the requirement to keep your rank is) of collectibles to retail customers. These items are likely going to be overpriced, besides he is underplaying how hard it is to connect a specific willing buyer with a specific, rare, niche item for that value. To keep your rank it seems it will be far easier to purchase these items yourself in the hope to resell them, or perhaps recruit people to buy those items from you or instead of you. EDIT also I challenge anyone that supports this MLM to show me articles older than 2 years showing a. How Dave Jordan made the money that allows him to own a $2.5bn collection and b. Dave Jordan being recorded as a major player in collecting, either as a buyer or a seller of a noteworthy item, or the owner of a noteworthy collection.

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

11 ай бұрын

That's what I said.... If you have 2.5b laying around for COLLECTIBLES, how much money do you have????

Hey tell that collect direct guy that I got a whole garage full of collectible lularoe leggings if he wants to make an offer

Wow... marco cant be stopped good work marco this one was crazy

I like that Dale cut into the elevator music accidentally.... It characterizes the disorganized jumble that is this "Collectibles MLM"....

AMAZING video Marco! ❤

Marco, if you are talking about the 4 digits after KZread handle, it's something that KZread automatically added at one point as you might already know. I've noticed that not a lot of users have removed those, many don't know how to even do it and older users might not be even aware and or capable of doing anyhting with it.

@erinfindsen4953

11 ай бұрын

Raises my hand 😂

I’m trying to shop on the site and I’m seeing isa as the go to grading company which is basically a bogus grading company with no respect in the industry. While some stuff is near market value I’m also seeing some insane markups. Also, I just noticed KZread put 4 numbers after my name which I never entered so maybe that could be something to consider for the argument at the beginning. Not sure

So I’ve noticed what Marco was saying at the start of the interview about those ‘bot names’ leaving similar comments. Recently I’ve seen youtube comments from people with the four numbers after their name and it looked odd. Low and behold my name had 4 digits added on to it and I was like: wow wtf. Other people had the same thing, so they not all bots

@robertfrench6719

11 ай бұрын

They did that to me so I think Marco needs to consider this

The company website has a "Canadian" option which is interesting because I don’t believe they are legally approved to operate in Canada, which is how the owner ran his past company as well.

This guy scammed the scammers which makes him a national hero actually.

Replay crew! Commenting for the algorithm!!!!

What happen to ebay or amazon to sell collectibles?

This man is ADDICTED to MLM

So somehow I had one of Dale’s newer videos recommended to me (like 3 comments on them, with one of them being mine) He has ZERO clue about the sports card market. He’s so uneducated and gives terrible advice on collecting. As I’m replaying this stream, I am reading the live comments and I am dying 😂😂😂😂. I love when you debate people bro!

3 months later and no power rangers on that website

Watching this on my commute and i cackled when you said ‘it’s foolproof!’

MY TOP MOMENTS OF THE STREAM!!! 35:29 "theres no BV requirements, none of that" his company does have that so thats his first lie, 47:33 marco reads something from collect directs website and dale says thats not true, it is on the website right now so thats lie #2. 56:42 dale says that what hes reading and hearing is based off marcos preconceptions of MLM when it is literally on the website itself. 57:51 marco points out that the company has to be paid monthly to boost there PV (thats called autoship) dale just tries to deflect it by saying "but the word autoship isnt on the website" then says that its not even an option to autoship which is also lie #3. 1:00:18 dale rolls his eyes when all marco is doing is just reading the website. 1:20:42 marco points out that the entire company relies on 1 guy lmao. 1:21:47 marco repeats exactly what dale just said and dale completely denies saying that dave will have the item and not amazon. dale admits that dave gets the collectables from manufactures when earlier dale was saying that there are no manufactures and that collectables arent manufactured. 1:31:00 dale tries accusing marco of deleting comments to try to shift the topic onto him. and the entire time in the chat, some dude named "hereisphil!" kept arguing with everyone defending MLM and claiming that they are a buisness owner while working for someone else lol, then leaves being passive aggressive.

i wouldnt be surprised that some (probably most) of those were actually bot comments, but the 4 digits were automatically given by youtube after the change to @ usernames to those that didn't bother to change to a unique username, myself included

It's amazing to hear a scammer believe his own reasons for being a scammer

LOL there’s an actual pyramid illustration on the website.. the devil is in the details.. pun very much intended 😅

It's not WHERE the money goes, it's HOW the money FLOWS.

KZread recent changed the way usernames are displayed for comments, so a lot of people now have 4 numbers after their name like me.

“Dave could have it, Walmart could have it” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

"Why would you do any of this" ".... why would you NOT?" 💀💀💀💀💀

55:00 idk if I’d completely dismiss d2d as a method that is unsuccessful that no one uses. Pest control, home alarms, and especially solar are HUGELY successful using door-to-door, and many of their reps make insane amounts of money solely through their direct sales to retail consumers. It is insanely difficult yes but also insanely profitable if you’re willing to do it. I’ve seen this first hand myself and with people I know

@paultindall1235

11 ай бұрын

In fact I think many door-to-door companies exemplify the scenario your looking for of a legitimate mlm/direct selling company.

@SharayaMW

10 ай бұрын

I'm not saying home alarm systems or solar panel sales are scams, but. . . I haven't heard the best feedback from purchasers of either. Most people use something like Ring camera, because it makes more sense. Solar panels are still kind of rare, but I wonder of they'll go the way of satellite dishes for cable TV. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Even from just a retail perspective, why on Earth would you want to help other people sell the same product as you? Creating your own competition doesn't sound like good business.

1:07:31 … aaaaaand…got him. Marco shut him down with such a simple question. 🎤 dropped!!

I genuinely thought the name was Collect The Rekt.

Marco, I was super impressed when you just so casually popped Dale’s collectibles business model bubble by pointing out his business would be unsustainable after it sold off all its valuable collectible items in its first few years of operation. Do you have a business degree? If not, I really think you’d be at the top of your class at any MBA program.

I hate spamming this video, but there is NO GUARANTEE collectibles would ever appreciate! Many depreciate over time! There’s no guarantee anyone would want Shopkins (don’t know if I spelled that right) in 5 years and they may be completely worthless! Then what?

FIRST! Replay goons unite!!!!

@AcMrPro

11 ай бұрын

Here to get mooched

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

11 ай бұрын

MOOCHA GOON! 🤣

@Bobbbybags

11 ай бұрын

I’m here with ya!

@ktj6796

11 ай бұрын

👊

Wish he just stuck to hiw he lied and denied stuff from that's on the website absolutely insane

The size of the industry is completely irrelevant to the conversation. Every time an entrepreneur on shark tank brings up the market potential they get roasted because it has nothing to do with their companies actual sales

lmfao !!! beenie babies took me out 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Every MLM scammer "I despise the MLM industry, everything is scammy... Except for my company."

What a good dude, he made 10 million at 35 & he's still trying to scan people. If i made 10million by 35 selling trash i def would be spending 2 hrs arguing with someone whos young enough to be my kid

Wait this isn’t even a new idea, isn’t there a coin collecting mlm? Infinity coin? I think

not every collectible gains value, the undesirables are the cheapest, but they will not start being desirable, especially if you got truckloads of them 'Dave' would have bought Beanie Babies shortly before the bubble burst!

@mrunlimited3

11 ай бұрын

Yep, the key word here is “Value”. All value is lost when the market is flooded with supply (basic Econ 101 of supply and demand). This is exactly why this type of business hasn’t been tried under the umbrella of MLM before.

Maybe Dave knows the best deals for prostitutes. I can’t find them at Walmart.

It sounds like the guy started the network marketing company because he wanted to get all of his money back on his warehouse of “collectibles”

@mrunlimited3

11 ай бұрын

100% what it is. Dave has twice started and failed at the collectible business. He’s looking to move his inventory to and through distributors

@OldManNutcakez

11 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking and almost from the start. Dave is just a hoarder.

@ema2031

11 ай бұрын

@@OldManNutcakezbingo! When he started talking about the products, I was thinking where are they getting all of these collectables from?? Answer; Daves hoarded warehouses in N Carolina 😂😂 next level stupid grift….

@OldManNutcakez

11 ай бұрын

@@ema2031 It's pretty common in the collecting industry where these dealers become hoarders while pretending to be some mastermind businessmen. This guy Dave is supposed to be mr millionaire or bazillionaire from flipping collectibles, yeah whatever. If that had any truth to it, he would have an established ecommerce and physical platform. But noone knows who this guy is.

Where is the “you’re broke, you’re fucking poor” soundbit from? 😂

@BaddogSports

11 ай бұрын

I think it’s Andrew Tate

Well that was all as clear as mud. I'm sure it will be a big success. Dale is talking about collectibles, then antiques, then memorabilia.... What do any of those terms mean anyway and what guarantee of value is there? Is he another brainwashed victim? He didn't even seem sure of what was talking about. He was clearly grasping at straws just before he says to Marco, "You're grasping at straws". ???? This did not appear to be one bit different than every other MLM. The only difference is that the product sounds even sketchier and more obscure than most.

“Dave is just a walkin’ talkin’ encyclopedia when it comes to collectables” 😭😭😭

That dude literally said it's $10 one-time fee, and then in the next breath he said $10 once a year this man is a lying machine. Then when you asked him a direct question about naming some legitimate MLM businesses, he goes on some crazy tirade about how everyone makes $100,000 and he's going to be the next million dollar or two, just hoping that you forget what the question was

3:18 is the start

@CMGCollectDirectTeam

11 ай бұрын

What "stuff"

@keithdosik

11 ай бұрын

@@CMGCollectDirectTeam what

@professorzoom7800

11 ай бұрын

@@keithdosik 😂😂😂😂

@sunny74763

5 ай бұрын

@@CMGCollectDirectTeamDale burner account?

Replay Gang! 👀 🍿 Dude is a Reds fan. Got a Johnny Bench signed helmet. Bet it’s FAKE! 😂 Dude got pressed immediately when Marco called him out on the fake accounts posting on his channel LOLOLOLOL! Oh this is gonna be good 😂😂

When Dale lies, you can see it in his eyes and body language

Marco, you don’t have to take my advice but.. I would advise answering these MLM peoples questions with questions only. So they could hear themselves think.. otherwise they just guna manipulate your questions “I never said that” .. “that’s your perspective” and all that .. oh man🤣

these debates bother me so much because these mlm people are so lost in DeluLu Land that they the answers for everything, so they think. They're right because they think they're right its so twisted. and hes from the south ... so am i .... when he says "DUDE" to Marco its total disrespect its like calling him an idiot.

Great rebuttal: Was an extra 50 bucks a month the reason you joined an MLM and are doing endless Zoom calls and recruitment? Or were you promised endless income potential...

Collect direct = nonsense

The manipulation is unreal...... Marco: Is the sky blue? Dale: "No! That has nothing to do with the 450 Billion dollar industry." Marco: "So the sky is not blue" Dale: "Look I have another call at 4:30" I bet you 450 Billion dollars Dale ends this call thinking he won this argument

Collect direct went under lmao

47:27 So this whole business is dependent on Dave’s Deals. And it’s three weeks old. Sure, it’ll be here in a year.

How often do you think Dale has to re-glue his toupee?

MLMs with consumables shit on MLMs with non-consumables because the products don't need replacing. MLMs with non-consumables shit on MLMs with lotions and potions because people have brand loyalty and they are selling lotions and potions. Now we have MLMs with collectibles shitting on MLMs with consumables. When are they gonna realize that it's not about the product, it's about the business model?

Lil Uzi Calvert.. this dudes deceptive. Great job, Marco! Keep up the Lords Work

Most of the collectibles resell for over retail price. And there are tons of collectibles like sports cards that come out every day that sell out immediately. Unfortunately for Dale, that market is dead right now. It's sad to see that he doesn't know the answers to the most simple questions that Marco is asking. He needs to do some research on the market he's currently in. It's obvious that he's just trusting what someone else is telling him. Or should I say what someone else is selling him.

@BaddogSports

11 ай бұрын

The market is definitely not “dead” but it’s nothing compared to what it was in 2020. Anyone in the sports card market knew that market was not sustainable. Sports cards are right around where they were before the pandemic sent the market skyrocketing to a ridiculous level. Regardless, Collect Direct could NEVER compete with eBay or the higher end auction houses. Collect Direct’s inventory is garbage! And they sell cards from extremely low end grading companies like ISA & GMA.

Marco- no more gym/ exercising

Anything tied to a comp plan sounds BS!!

1:20:58 GOLD JERRY!

When Marco said “that’s completely ridiculous Dale” after pointing out the fact that the whole business is dependent on 1 guy buying truckloads of stuff🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Collectors go to shops and look for the pieces. They want that as part of the fun, nobody needs this fucking guy to help them.

@Niles727

10 ай бұрын

@@imsotired9555 100% agree we don’t need this guy ruining the experience

1:07:40 “Why would you not” lmao cmon dale at least try to have a conversation

This guy shakin his head and laughing at arguments that are perfectly reasonable and make perfect sense makes my blood boil. Btw, riddle me this, how come everyone has heard of Amazon, Jeff Bezos and so on but nobodys ever heard of Dave? Its cause hes a nobody, a John Smith.

I want to bust into the 400 trillion dollar coconut industry. Does anyone know a company I can pay to work for?

This elusive “Dave.”

@mrunlimited3

11 ай бұрын

Not elusive. David is MLM’er, having already failed at another MLM and two other collectible businesses. Poor Dale is so blind and brainwashed, he didn’t even think to do basic DD

I hate to say this but… You can’t teach an old dog new tricks 😂😂

Idk why these people agree to come on the show with Marco. They clearly had no idea the how good of a talker Marco is

@benjaminaristotleboes3157

11 ай бұрын

The thing is, you don't even have to be a super good talker.... MLM is such a bad idea....

@thesaurusrex7919

11 ай бұрын

@@benjaminaristotleboes3157 true, but the way Marco gets his point(s) across is just so smooth

Unless he has a crystal ball, Dave, or Dale, or whoever, is taking a huge risk by purchasing a bunch of trendy merchandise and assuming that it will appreciate in value and there will even be a collectibles market for said merchandise at some future point in time. In all likelihood, it will be rendered worthless garbage. Very few things are collectible anymore. We live in a culture of consumption and disposal. Planned obsolescence. It's all about novelty and the fleeting dopamine reward of an impulse buy. There is no value in the product itself; there is always a shiny new object right around the corner to buy today and throw out tomorrow. And it's all happening on Amazon, not some antiquated website. The current generation now spends millions of dollars on intangibles like NFT's for god's sake! Even if we were to humor Dale by pretending to believe that he is not a scammer perpetrating a pyramid scheme, his "business model" is short-sighted. He is nostalgic for a bygone era. He is a dinosaur. Maybe they could manufacture Dale the Dinosaur action figures and create a new MLM scheme to sell them! I kinda feel bad for him. Also pretty sure Dave doesn't exist.

It's very obvious that this guy doesn't know anything about the collectibles market. I sell collectibles for a living and the market has dropped by 10x in the last year. The only reason it was at $450 billion is because of the covid shut down and the extra money everyone was getting during that time. I guarantee you that the market isn't anywhere near that value in August of 2023 and it's dropping everyday. People do NOT have the extra money to buy pointless things like they did 2+ years ago. The guy who started Collect Direct has a bunch of junk that he can't sell so he started this MLM to hopefully get rid of it all. 😂

Ohh I get his points.......

No everyone does not start from the same place. If you get in early it's going to be much easier to build a downline. Sure you can join an established mlm and still build a huge downline, but that's the thing, it is soo much more difficult, and no everyone is not starting from the same place. Depending on if you have experience in other mlms, and maybe you have a pretty good reputation, or have already recruited and they join you in a different mlm. Where do you live? How many other distributors live near u? How many people live near u in general who will want to sign up or can afford to even become a customer outside a one time sale? What is your social media presence? Do you have one, etc.... the likelihood of building a significant downline is very low, but the ppl who accomplish it? The vast majority of the bottom recruits, outside a few directly under that top distributor, are losing money and will never grow to be a top 1%, n that's only if they have a significant downline. Otherwise even the top percentile are not making enough/losing. It's so frustrating listening to them directly lie and contradict themselves with such conviction. Honestly I couldn't do it, major respect having these discussions over and over. I mean smh 70% of this industry is a scam and your still arguing about its merits? And also so basically you have to be in the right place at exactly the right time with the right set of circumstances for it to turn out in your favor? How is that a good buisness model? Edit: also it sounds like he's describing an affiliate program your paying for? If I'm a collector why wld I pay for recommending anything? Side money, okay except why pay monthly for a handful of recommendations here and there? No point unless I'm putting in effort for a check, also the distributors being the collectors themselves eventually? So a pyramid scheme lol.

I believe he is pitching Marco lol

Half the time. . . 100 percent of the time, idgaf about what these people have to say. I'm trying so hard to listen and not just fast forward through his blabbering. Sorry, not sorry 🤷🏾‍♀️ but I mean, look at his posture 🤦🏾‍♀️ and his response to the bots on his video about you was bs. The only thing I might get out of this, is a fantastic Marco impression and soundbites 🙏🏽

53:00 is when he absolutely got him and revealed it’s a pyramid scheme. They’re all the same.