I think there is a cap to the number of deathrattle triggers but it seems they stack far too many times for the game to handle.

@ifxthenwhy6202

5 ай бұрын

Pretty good anti-bot deck if you think about it, the bots won't concede and leave before all the calculations are done so others won't have to play against them lol

@AB0BA_69

5 ай бұрын

Dane: "Don't do this. It's a waste of everyone's time." Also Dane: "So here's how you do it..." Kidding. Love you homie! You shooting for 200k subs this year, right? That's gonna need more YT streams! 😊

@kittysplode

5 ай бұрын

bae shouldn't you be careful of posting exploits

@rajkanishu

5 ай бұрын

​@@kittysplode if anything he's helping blizzard find them and patch them

@HaloNeInTheDark27

5 ай бұрын

​@@kittysplodeexploits? Everything is working as intended. It's not Dane's fault the Devs haven't learned from their past mistakes at all, and put no cap on the interaction.

Umbra is not getting banned, Danes gonna get banned.

@-fazik-3713

5 ай бұрын

Blizz Jailed!

@dmcginnis79

5 ай бұрын

Hope not. Jailed for their crimes...

You know it's a classic Dane video when Cold Rise is ripped out to be played

It's times like these I wish 'I'm sorry' still existed.

@admiraltonydawning3847

5 ай бұрын

Play Mayor Noggindonger, and you'll get your sorry.

Oh boy... You'd think Blizzard would have learned their lessons about Exponential Interactions at this point 😅

@felipegx4495

5 ай бұрын

Blizz every now and then... ANOTHER ONE DJ KHALID

@tsundude4320

5 ай бұрын

They've learned nothing from sexual harassment yet so yes

@jackeea_

5 ай бұрын

Good old Exponential Elemental

@rawoo9385

5 ай бұрын

Or playtesting wild

@IcePhoenixMusician

5 ай бұрын

I don’t think they saw this one coming

Only the very best of all Dane videos have the EDM blasting while some wonky ass loop happens in 2x speed. Love it!

I'm not saying we should, but I wonder what would happen to the servers if everyone did this at the same time?

@sunbleachedangel

5 ай бұрын

Nothing good

@madmastah2503

5 ай бұрын

i'm down to do it

@Kamikazeray

5 ай бұрын

A nuclear shroom would be seen from blizz HQ.

@alexw4482

5 ай бұрын

That would be a great way to see how many accounts blizzard is willing to permaban.

@luke8973

5 ай бұрын

And so would be the servers​@@madmastah2503

I don't know if it was intentional, but I love that the weapon reloading bops perfectly in time with Cold Rise!

@shocknawe

5 ай бұрын

At what timestamp?

@noatrope

5 ай бұрын

@@shocknawe8:50

@shocknawe

5 ай бұрын

@@noatrope thanks!

i love how casually he destroys this games mechanics

Ahhh, been waitng a while for some cracked combo deck. Thanks

" Perpetual motion doesn't and can't exist ! " Dane:

finally Cold Rise is back

Mate what have you done

@montyalb8788

5 ай бұрын

That what a lad must do

@UranoSteam

5 ай бұрын

the real question is how is this the first thing you find out about when a new set is released and how do you find about this to begin with

Love how Dane gives a description of a „combo“ in minute detail and ends it with „Don’t do this!“

Dane and co. always keeping Hearthstone interesting

I love how you always use the same song for the montage it cracks me up every time.

You can tell a video's gonna be good when Cold Rise is credited in the description

Might've mised a mention of this but what if you use Naval Mine as the other deathrattle? Would dropping the opponent's health to 0 matter?

@amberlee4536

5 ай бұрын

Probably not, Xyrella Hero Card will keep going long past your health total reaching zero until it resolves

@zakmaniscool

5 ай бұрын

He mentioned Leper Gnome didn't work in the intro, so probably not

@theadamant7125

5 ай бұрын

It doesn’t, just tested

@monkaWGiga

5 ай бұрын

​@@zakmaniscoolIt definitely doesn't. The game still tries to calculate the rest of the deathrattles so it ends in a tie.

@hantuchblau

5 ай бұрын

An effect happens in three steps in hearthstone: Before Triggers (whenever...), the effect itself, and after triggers. None of these steps trigger deathrattles, or kill things at at 0 hp. That only happens once the stack is empty, or hard coded during Tess/Yogg. (The previous part is accurate, the rest of the comment was wrong. Problem is that weapons equipping over weapons trigger the deathrattle immediately, so the stack never empties)

Honestly, I missed that “skip time” tune, when it hits it hits 👌

"Whoops, our bad. It was meant to be a double class "Demon Hunter/Shaman" minion."

There are some really weird bugs this patch, one of them is that if you play a minion your other minions can't attack

I doubt umbra's gonna get banned, if anything they'll change graveyard and rivendare (and maybe necromechanic but I doubt they'll even think of that) or they'll just ban the blade outright

@yyny0

5 ай бұрын

It would make the most sense for them to ban the new card, Shadowstone Skulker.

@locogato3488

5 ай бұрын

Change Graveyard to trigger only minion Deathrattles twice like Rivendare does.

@shadooklaw

5 ай бұрын

I think a sensible solution would be to remove the saved weapon from the Skulker when its DR triggers. Makes sense wording and flavor wise, and minimal impact on normal use outside of DR triggers (and even then, most weapons don't do anything when applied twice).

@yurimatos985

5 ай бұрын

​​@@locogato3488 nerfing graveyard only solves half the problem, because the same happens with the umbra

@yurimatos985

5 ай бұрын

The best solution would be if shadestone Skulker returned the weapon to your hand

the easiest fix seems to be to make Umbra trigger before battlecries but sheesh, rogue, DR and breaking stuff one way or another, that's a classic trio

I wonder if you can make a non-crashing version of it.

So what's the winning condition for this deck? Dane: winning?

Well it was nice knowing umba. This will prolly not end well.

@IainDoherty51

5 ай бұрын

It's Graveyard that's the real issue when combined with Necrium Blade

@PaperTowwl

5 ай бұрын

You can also do this by playing a second blade

@murlocaggrob2192

5 ай бұрын

Easiest way to fix this is to make Graveyard only work with minion Deathrattles, like Rivendare.

Why is everyone talking about Umbra getting banned? The most logical conclusion that comes to mind is changing the elemental deathrattle to read "and lose this deathrattle" at the end, a bit unintuitive with the minion being dead but it fixes the problem in the best way possible

@dadsbrotherscousin

5 ай бұрын

stuff like test subject can be looked at as precedent :instead of restricting mind sear to enemy minions they straight up reworked the older obscure card

Could this be used to just time out/lock some bots out of the queue?

Dane's the hero Hearthstone deserves, but not the one it needs right now

If it works like that then I have a question Does the skulker give a new version or an exact copy of the weapon? And if so, could you use record scratcher to create infinite mana?

@noahlin3851

5 ай бұрын

No, the Necrium Blade's deathrattle is needed to reactivate the skulker's deathrattle to create the infinite loop

@ZAYKONN

5 ай бұрын

@@noahlin3851 That's not what I meant. The Necrium Blade creates the infinite loop yes, but if it's an exact copy then you can activate the deathrattle at will to create mana. It's not an "Infinite Mana Loop", it's just "Infinite Mana".

@IDrinkYourMilk

5 ай бұрын

looks like the exact copy based on the weapon having 1 health when equipped again

@speedwaifuthetrueandonlybe2744

5 ай бұрын

Or also the weapon that obtains a dr that triggered this game. Could make for very fast otks with mines maybe

@tarille1043

5 ай бұрын

@@ZAYKONN You won't get "Infinite" mana, because you can only trigger the DR so many times (Essentially... You can use Necrium Vial twice, Shadow of Demise once, Necrium Blade and HP once and then kill it once to get full mana refresh 5 times and that's it) Even more limiting is the fact that you need Snowfall in play to get the double weapon back, so you have to do those mana refreshes within the 3 turns its active. But to answer your original question, it literally takes your current weapon as is and gives it back as is. So you could get back stacked Record Scratchers or Counterfeit Blades with a specific DR attached or buffed up Kingsbanes.

14:45 just another copy of the Blade is sufficient.

This is the mode where anything goes: any card you’ve ever collected is still valid!

I wonder if using a damaging deathrattle alongside the loop would work in your favour. Depends on if the game lets the loop play out and end in a tie, or if, like in some other trigger chains, the moment one player dies, the loop ends. Cause you could just make this an OTK with Leper Gnome if it works that way and you'd be farming wins instead of ties.

@Darkprosper

5 ай бұрын

He mentioned that Leper Gnome doesn't work. It doesn't matter if the opponent's health is negative, the game ends in a draw before it resolves the death.

@lMarcusl

5 ай бұрын

@@Darkprosper Yeah I misheard what he said at the start. I though he said you could use any deathrattle, not just the beetle, kinda missed where he said the game will end in a tie anyway.

Is it possible for the weapon to miss the elemental and hit only the beagle for the first set of death rattles? Would the combo end immediately? What’s the odds on that

@Zaluskowsky

5 ай бұрын

Jeah what re the odds.

@noatrope

5 ай бұрын

The weapon's deathrattle goes off a minimum of four times. Depending on the exact sequence the events are processed, the first two might occur before the elemental is counted a minion in play, in which case there's a 25% chance that the loop will immediately fail, or after, in which case the chance of failure falls to only 6.25%.

The fix is easy, just make the elemental actually give the weapon back and lose the deathrattle

@rajkanishu

5 ай бұрын

the reason this isn't being discussed much is because losing a deathrattle upon activating it is irrelevant on 99% of the cases since the minion is dead anyways, but I also believe it's the best solution and frankly with how many ways we have to trigger deathrattles without killing minions it's not even that confusing for new players once they realize cards that activate them exist

@GameGod77

5 ай бұрын

Easier fix - make the death rattle return the weapon to hand.

@F4xP4s

5 ай бұрын

@@GameGod77 that's what I mean

Would you be able to kickstart the chain if you just had the minion and both weapons in hard? Play the first weapon turn 4, turn 5 location, turn 6 minion into second weapon and hero power.

@imaforceanature7297

5 ай бұрын

I think some of the confusion comes from what the 1 drop is doing. When the 1 drop “eats” the weapon it is NOT triggering the deathrattle, umbra is the whole reason the loop can start. Because the recorded weapon can be spat back out without killing off the 1 drop and the 1 drop re-equips the necrium blade to you multiple times which breaks your necrium blade to then trigger him to re-equip necrium blade etc etc. in a loop.

@kittysplode

5 ай бұрын

nah m8 ur confused. as long as you have double deathrattle up, umbra isn't required. when you rush the 1 drop into something, it throws up two weapons, breaking one. that one weapon breaking triggers the deathrattle on the minion twice to throw up two weapons again, this time breaking two (because you still have one of the others equipped), which triggers the minion four times, causing four weapons to break, causing 8 triggers on the minion, causing 16 weapons, 32, 64, 128 and there's your infinite loop.@@imaforceanature7297

@tarille1043

5 ай бұрын

@@imaforceanature7297 Umbra is not the "Whole reason" the loop can start. Any DR activator will start the loop since a single forced trigger of the Skulker will make it spit out 2 weapons and begin the loop. So, equipping and breaking a second weapon would work. Necrium Vial would work. If you generated some of the Hunter cards that trigger a friendly DR those would work too.

Armor rogue is back baby!

Platebreaker stocks are up! xD

Danes on his way to have another of his favourite cards nerfed

If the weapon deathrattle hits the beetle by chance, especially at the start, does the combo not work?

@naru3849

5 ай бұрын

And why does the weapon need to be at 1 durability?

@rajkanishu

5 ай бұрын

​​@@naru3849 it doesn't need to be at 1 durability and if it misses the elemental then yes the combo doesn't start

@noatrope

5 ай бұрын

Just barely, I think. Here's what the action queue looks like: 1) The elemental battlecry activates *before* it enters play, destroying the weapon and gaining a deathrattle. 2?) The weapon's deathrattle activates (twice, thanks to the aura). I'm not entirely sure of this, but my understanding is that this happens *before* the elemental exists as a minion, meaning that at this moment the beetle is the only available target. Beetle's deathrattle triggers (twice). 3) Elemental enters play as a deathrattle minion. Umbra sees this and activates its deathrattle. 4) Weapon replaced (twice in a row). Each weapon after the first triggers a new deathrattle. 5) Repeat 2 (twice), but this time there's a second minion in play. Basically, flip two coins; for each head, gain 6 armour, for each tail, repeat step (4). The first time step 5 occurs there's a 25% chance of gaining 12 armour and ending the loop, but the number of coinflips increases by at least two each time, so the odds of losing rapidly decreases. (It's also possible I'm wrong about summoning order - if step 2 is queued until after the elemental exists, the first two weapon deathrattles aren't wasted on the beetle and the odds of starting the loop increase to 93.75%.)

It has been. FIVE. MINUTES.

@Yewtewba

5 ай бұрын

It was 19 by the time he'd had enough

@azakranos8100

5 ай бұрын

@@Yewtewba You know what I mean.

Leper gnome build time

The best solution would be if shadestone Skulker returned the weapon to your hand

@jaroslavtkac5058

5 ай бұрын

Or return back but only once a turn....

Ah yes. I can't wait to see armor rogue in ladder.

what have you done lad

Dane you are truly a HS wizard

from :08 to :27 in your bottom left clock goes by for the combo :D. nice little 20 minute wait of talking with stream chat lol

Did someone try this with naval bomb or other deathrattle card 4 mana enemy draw 2 cards?

He started that first combo at 9:08 and gave up on letting it complete at 9:27. Wonder how long you'd have been stuck there. Good background video for a podcast though ;P

This is awesome

imagine trying it with dancing swords...

This combo is such an obvious one that I can't believe Blizzard didn't test this.

Classic Dane.

Dane no they’ll nerf kobald again

Dane Dance Party videos are my favourite. 2^(small indie company)

Love the vids mate, can't believe I'm this early for one!

if you deathrattle in the game too many times you deathrattle IRL

What if you add a Leper Gnome (or a Frog, funny one time slow spitting animation)?

I don't get it? What happens if the first weapon triggers the beetle deathrattle twice and not the elementals? Does it just fail lol

@neonoir__

5 ай бұрын

yeah it fails

Ah graveyard,broken since day one

At this point they need to hire Dane to playtest anything they release for Wild. He always finds the gamebreaking bugs on day 1 LUL

@davidy22

5 ай бұрын

Infinite loop of cards working as intended is not a bug and a tie is the proper resolution.

@ModestMousekateer

5 ай бұрын

@@davidy22 right, the fact that it crashes server side isn't a bug 💀👀

@rajkanishu

5 ай бұрын

​@@ModestMousekateer well technically it's not a bug, just an issue with the servers

@dumbboi4283

5 ай бұрын

They don't care about wild enough to think about these interactions

There are times where the digital format of Hearthstone and the limitations of the game really do hurt it, imo. In MtG, for instance, if you perform an infinite combo, you can simply tell the opponent across from you what is going on. As long as they don’t have a way to interrupt it and the combo is deterministic, they will simply say “fair play” and go to the next game. Never really was a big fan of how animations can ruin combos. I get they need a limit, but the fact that tournament play has no ways to adjust this or shortcut combos always felt very poorly implemented.

@KhronicD

5 ай бұрын

I agree. Especially in games like MTG where they KNOW there are infinite combos, as they have been played and demonstrated on tabletop like you said. There has to have been someone who took that into consideration when developing the games. This is an issue in other digital card games as well and I've yet to see one address it properly. It's weird, since it's a friggin' known issue. No one wants to sit there for an hour+ watching card animations and twiddling their thumbs.

How does the deathrattle trigger hit both deathrattle minions and not randomly miss the one on the right?

@rawoo9385

5 ай бұрын

It's exponential

@KhronicD

5 ай бұрын

There is a chance with two DR minions on the board that the first couple of triggers might miss the elemental and hit the other, but once the loop starts, it's essentially guaranteed to hit the elemental at least once, which is all it takes to go "infinite."

How does something like this get past QA? What do they smoke there?

Should this somehow work with Kingsblade btw?

What is the music selection?

@jimparkin2345

5 ай бұрын

Cold Rise

DDOS Priest vibes

Have you tired to force quit (Alt+F4) and log back in to re-join the game in progress? Since that skips the animation, it would give an indication of the state of the game after this exponential loop. Maybe the server cannot keep up as well, who knows?

I think snowfall could be a candidate.

My heart.

Why the second one crashed it?

@FarAway959

5 ай бұрын

Since you only need the weapon, graveyard and the skulker. The skulker pops trading into a minion, but since he had another one the weapon deathrattle only has the one minion to trigger and that just loops indefinitely.

@MagnetTheSteven

5 ай бұрын

@@FarAway959 ah, graveyard :)

can yuou do this with the selfish shellfish, i'd love to see the fatigue counter

Isn't there between a 1/3 and a 1/4 chance that the loop stops? Umbra makes elemental spit 2 weapons, one weapon breaks and triggers twice but both triggers hit the beetle?

@elijahmoore9414

5 ай бұрын

When the combo is played the minion unequips the weapon and the equips 2 causing 1 break. The weapon break death rattle triggers twice because of the doubling effect. At this point the weapon deathrattles can either target the beetle or the new card. If the beetle is selected twice then there is no loop and this happens 1 in 4 times. Even if you roll bad, if you have your hero attack for the turn and the weapon is on 1 durability, you can attack in for another 3/4 chance to loop. Technically, even if you successfully hit the new card and the next batch of triggers hits only the beetle, the loop can stop. If a big block of text is hard to parse, look into "finite state machines" and you can whip up a little diagram to help follow the potential looping.

@zakmaniscool

5 ай бұрын

in that case, you could swing and try again which would lower the odds of it missing to a 1/16

@canopus6416

5 ай бұрын

In that first board, yeah. If both of the two triggers of necrium blade off of the first doubled deathrattle re-equipping miss the elemental (a 1/4 chance of happening), then jt would before it spirals out of control.

@SaladDongs

5 ай бұрын

@@elijahmoore9414 no yeah that's why I said it's not quite 1/4 but a liiitle more likely, which is actually quite surprising, how unreliable it really is (without the weapon swing which I didn't account for). But at the end of the day this is technically not even supposed to happen. What's even more surprising is how Dane manages to break the game with every little change that occurs in it. They used to put people in Blizzard jail for that...

blizzard jail 2 electric boogaloo

Bug bounty Dane. Force A tie

I hereby dub this deck "Tyrogue".

Obligatory small indie company

Hostage suicide pact rogue

Also I guess the 1 mana guy is gonna be banned instead of Umbra.

Also the velarok deck is bugged :(

Imagine you are at diamong 5 trying to get to legende and you get gated by dane with this 😂

Control priest for rogue 😅

At the rate Dane keeps getting Hearthstone cards banned, there's not gonna be any left soon.

They'll nerf Necrium Blade to save their little new card, I hope you're proud of yourself !

Call me a mad man, but if seeing the number go up is your thing you can have this combo as a “I guess we’ll tie then” button instead of losing, second combo is easier and cheaper so it could slot in a death rattle rouge.

Just hope they dont kill umbra for this combo, like just make it so she only triggers whose original cost is 2 or more or something like that instead of just making her 10 mana and nothing else

My heart :'(

It's sad to see that the only interesting angle for this card is quite literally broken.

Happy kingsbane rogue was the victim

Try it with mine XD 4 damage to enemy hero

Did he break Hearthstone again?

wow

beans

deathrattle give a zero cost copy of the weapon stolen

get mckz'd

There is a cap to this, 100%. Because the game first does all calculations, and *then* it shows the resulting animations. If the calculation was a truly infinite loop without any caps the game will crash before it can show a single animation. So yeah, it will end at some point, and given that this combo exponentially gets bigger that must mean there is a manual cap in there somewhere.

Just be careful and don't get banned for exploiting Blizzard's incompetence

Trust a scouser to find something that breaks (into) the game 🤠

1:43 You're basically saying guys do it & waste everyone's time 😉 As Dane fans we are obligated to do this, we have no other choice 😏

Small indie company KEKW