Death Rattles and Theories ft. Jake Bishop | TWOK 56-57 | Lost in Roshar Ep. 31

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Tune in to this episode of 'Lost in Roshar' as we welcome back show favourite, Jake Bishop! Join us as we pick apart the latest death rattles, talk through more Stormlight 5 theories and discover the wonders that await within the pages of Brandon Sanderson's epic fantasy saga, The Stormlight Archive.
Timestamps
0:00 Will Wind and Truth be 5 stars?
3:56 Who will make it for books 6-10?
5:40 Will Stormlight characters enter the cosmere?
8:19 First Law/Stormlight crossover
12:49 Do we really understand the Heralds?
15:18 Analysing death rattle 1
20:36 Lift will be so important
24:03 Cultivation’s grand plan theory
27:06 Reforging the Shard of Honor
30:24 Analysing death rattle 2
37:29 Bonus death rattle from Maps!
39:03 Stones Unhallowed vs Wind and Truth
41:04 Preview chapters and waiting for the release
42:42 Chapter 56 summary
44:02 Sadeas’ betrayal
48:53 How the Unmade are effecting things
53:29 Sanderson’s action is fantastic
56:34 Chapter 57 summary and commentary
58:27 Hoid’s appearances in Stormlight
1:00:07 Kaladin on Dalinar
1:01:40 Bridge Four and Teft
1:03:33 What’s going on with Hoid’s flute?
1:08:13 More Hoid theorising
1:13:48 On the story of Wandersail
1:17:27 Spanreed: The Sleepless and Shallan theory
1:24:30 Cremling tier list video
Incredible thumbnail artwork by Ari Ibarra: ariirf.com
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  • @feruchemical
    @feruchemical4 ай бұрын

    It’s not that there is another Herald not breaking for all that time, Shallan kills her mom which sends her to Braize and she then breaks quickly. Taln was the only one on Braize until Shallan’s mom got sent back there, who then broke in short order.

  • @dookieshoe2905

    @dookieshoe2905

    4 ай бұрын

    I just noticed another clue for that theory on my WoR reread. Shallan uses "mothers soul" as an exclamation and every time someone does that it's always a Herald and a body part. I'm sure I'm not the first to notice this but I had never heard it before.

  • @QCreyton

    @QCreyton

    4 ай бұрын

    If she's killed with a shard blade though would she be able to go back there? Shards sever the connection with soul and body, they seem to directly harm the spirit web.

  • @dookieshoe2905

    @dookieshoe2905

    4 ай бұрын

    It was kinda funny how Christian asks if he knows the "Shallans mother is a Herald" theory and then proceeds to not explain that the theory suggests that her mother died and was sent back to Braize, not that another Herald was there with Taln for 4500 years.

  • @feruchemical

    @feruchemical

    4 ай бұрын

    @@QCreytonI’m not sure, but I imagine it’s similar to a Fused, we see those defeated by shardblade frequently but until anti-Voidlight they never were sent anywhere but Braize. Supporting this, Raboniel certainly would’ve freed her daughter sooner if a shardblade worked.

  • @dookieshoe2905

    @dookieshoe2905

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@QCreytonI don't think they can be perma-killed so easily. I'm sure that over the course of time a Herald was killed by a shardblade. Book 4 is all about this, Raboniel wanted a way to perma-kill her daughter and bring about an end to the war with a new weapon. It's also the first time that the Fused use Raysium to pull a Herald into a gem which perma-kills them. Using a shardblade would be much easier than developing the Raysium dagger. The most obvious answer is that the Fused have been killed by Shardblades countless times and are sent to Braize before returning to Roshar again. They can't be perma-killed by them so Heralds likely can't either.

  • @cooldawg2009
    @cooldawg20094 ай бұрын

    We miss you Jimmy!

  • @jonvalett6708
    @jonvalett67084 ай бұрын

    Not to be that guy, but I'll be that guy - Chapter 115 of RoW is entitled "Testament". Shallan, Adolin, and their three spren, Maya, Testament, and Pattern are in their rooms in Lasting Integrity.

  • @mudbutt42
    @mudbutt424 ай бұрын

    Teft being a junkie was foreshadowed in his first chapter. He tells Kaladin right away, "I will let you down", that is junky talk

  • @gabrielt.2734
    @gabrielt.27344 ай бұрын

    Loved the Episode (as always) and I finally started to reread the Series as well. Concerning the theories, I feel like Radiant didn't even exist, back when Shallan was a kid. I think she only appears in Oathbringer and Rythm of War.

  • @dookieshoe2905

    @dookieshoe2905

    4 ай бұрын

    Technically i would say Radiant first appeared in WoR when she confronted the band of outlaws with Gaz, though it clearly wasn't yet a solidified alter ego. She also uses this "proto-Radiant" when she is being questioned during the meeting of High Princes when she first enters the war camps.

  • @timotea7109
    @timotea71094 ай бұрын

    Don’t have time rn to listen but can’t wait to hear this later!!!

  • @theyneverlookuptnlu6243
    @theyneverlookuptnlu62434 ай бұрын

    Kaladin becomes the herald of counselling and spends his time on braise treating the heralds and the fused.

  • @brooklynkelsey703

    @brooklynkelsey703

    4 ай бұрын

    Haha I actually like the Kaladin-becomes-a-therapist theory. I might be the only person who has that theory for real though...

  • @Dovakinskywalker
    @Dovakinskywalker4 ай бұрын

    Hey theory that Taln didn't break is based on the idea that Shallan killed her mom who was a Herald who was then sent back to Braze when she died and she only lasted a few years before she broke.

  • @surth

    @surth

    4 ай бұрын

    But there is a world of Brandon saying taln didn't break.. so it isn't s theory?

  • @QCreyton
    @QCreyton4 ай бұрын

    I believe we did see testament in shadesmar, they get brought up in Adolin's trial as the reason the new heralds can't be trusted because one of them has "killed" their spren right?

  • @dookieshoe2905

    @dookieshoe2905

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah, he was at Lasting Integrity. Theres a scene with him and Shallan towards the end of RoW.

  • @minerman60101
    @minerman601014 ай бұрын

    Please have Man Carrying Thing on if you can!

  • @Ryan-rq6dx
    @Ryan-rq6dx2 ай бұрын

    In the lord rulers favor on a fight against a herald. Allomancy has emotion manipulation powers. Lots of radients and the heralds in particular might be uniquely vulnerable to a duralumin enhanced shoothing/rioting combo.

  • @jonvalett6708
    @jonvalett67084 ай бұрын

    The Death Rattles and the Thrill are caused by two different Unmade. Moelach for the Death Rattles and Nargaoul for the Thrill. They both seem to be moving around quite a bit, though.

  • @CosmereFinatic
    @CosmereFinatic4 ай бұрын

    Happy to catch the premier guys! Keep up the stellar work! Hey have you guys got any sponsors yet or sponsorship managers hit you up?

  • @LostinDiscovery

    @LostinDiscovery

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Nope, nothing promising yet.

  • @CosmereFinatic

    @CosmereFinatic

    4 ай бұрын

    @@LostinDiscovery shame! Maybe I can help? Ive got some experience talking with companies so maybe i can make something happen. Let me know!

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer54923 ай бұрын

    Yes. Everyone's waiting for Wind And Truth... Self included, but the best news book I've read so far this year (released last year) is The Will Of Many, by James Islington. Really good....

  • @bcwagner11
    @bcwagner114 ай бұрын

    This may be a stretch, but I distinctly remember a conversation in RoW where someone is talking about the parshendi, and that the continual rebirth of them through the storm was "breaking" their minds. Maybe that that process of rebirth is painful? Light growing distant is maybe them being removed from Roshar? And since the parshendi being native and being forced off roshar would probably feel like the end of all things as they knew it? idk.... I am pretty sure thats why The Pursuer got smacked though. He actually could not think straight.

  • @bcwagner11

    @bcwagner11

    4 ай бұрын

    also: *fused* not parshendi i guess

  • @SnakeAndTurtleQigong
    @SnakeAndTurtleQigong4 ай бұрын

    I do love me some Lift!

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer54923 ай бұрын

    I see Stormlight era two at being a mega cosmere crossover series.

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer54923 ай бұрын

    Would allomancy effect the "metal" of shard blades?

  • @hybiscusify
    @hybiscusify4 ай бұрын

    Miss you. Jimmy.

  • @dillonwyatt8144
    @dillonwyatt81444 ай бұрын

    The Oroden idea is interesting. What if it is a references to someone needing to either stop or start Kaladin is to harm his litle brother but they can not be brought to do it. No matter how desperately they feel they need to stop kaladin and force him into a depressed state, they can not do it.

  • @T1mefortim
    @T1mefortim4 ай бұрын

    The other option is Hoid is looking for Frost. Because the 17th shard is trying to find him on screen.

  • @hiraeth.42
    @hiraeth.422 ай бұрын

    I deeply need to re-read the first three Stormlight books, go through and study each chapter, but I want to know what the hype is around WoR. Nothing against it, I just think its funny because I remember not liking it as much as the WoK and Oathbringer. I really think its just me not reading them super recently, but I do want to know what stood out to everyone about it. If anyone is bored enough to just say some little thing that they liked about the book that would be fun, and probably give me the motivation to read it fully through without skipping boring chapters lol

  • @gogozeppeli9267

    @gogozeppeli9267

    28 күн бұрын

    Kal vs szeth 🔥

  • @Waynedan87
    @Waynedan874 ай бұрын

    Any chance the person Hoid is wanting to meet on Roshar is Frost?

  • @jonvalett6708

    @jonvalett6708

    4 ай бұрын

    I think this is possible.

  • @mrpippentook
    @mrpippentook4 ай бұрын

    I’ll add to the Shallon’s mom theory… I think Shalash is Shallon’s mom. The big linch pin here is where was Shalash? But consider: 1) Shalash was also a light weaver, potentially passing that trait down to Shallon 2) Shalash was tearing thru Roshar destroying images of herself - perhaps her daughter reminded her of herself, so she was going to kill her 3) we know Taln didn’t break, so what if Shallon killed Shalash, and she didn’t last long on Braise 4) when Shalash meets Taln she’s extra sorrowful, not just because she abandoned Taln, but because she couldn’t last more than a few years, and ultimately broke. 5) shalash is almost a palindrome, just like shallon, and even sounds like shallon! 6) the kremlings told me so. 😂

  • @wooshbait36

    @wooshbait36

    4 ай бұрын

    Lol no

  • @sanctus864
    @sanctus8644 ай бұрын

    Best fight scene Sanderson has ever written will be Gavinor vs. Oroden.

  • @aaronh3347
    @aaronh33474 ай бұрын

    The Pershendi were okay with a war of nutrition so they didn't mind only committing a fraction of their forces without full on engagements it drew out the war and slowed down the death of their entire group. But once the Rosharians changed battle tactics they responded in kind. But the second army didn't engage often most likely because of the same reason they didn't have shardbeaerers go after the Alethi shards letting the ones already in the fight go for the win.

  • @jakebishop7822

    @jakebishop7822

    4 ай бұрын

    This makes sense, thank you. I eas thinking from a micro battle by battle perspective it lowers casualties to have numerical superiority, but didn't consider the macro problem that overcommiting would escalate, but then when the Alethi did that they had no choice

  • @Mum347

    @Mum347

    3 ай бұрын

    Also, scouts were posted to give warning if the Parshendi starts bringing another army into the fight. Dalinar trusted Saddeus enough to let him provide the scouts which is why he didn’t get a warning.

  • @gogozeppeli9267

    @gogozeppeli9267

    28 күн бұрын

    "rosharians"? You know the singers/parshendi are the indigenous species of roshar right? THEY ARE THE ROSHARIANS

  • @ramspencer5492
    @ramspencer54923 ай бұрын

    No Stormlight in Wind And Truth? So what are you saying? Dalinar breaking an oath and losing his Bondsmith abilities and the Stormfather becoming a deadeye???? As far as reforging Honor... There were knights radiant when honor was alive....

  • @hermitxd7369
    @hermitxd73694 ай бұрын

    What was Jake's favourite book series? I think he mentioned it last time he guest appeared. I think the series title had Wyrm riders in it maybe?

  • @jakebishop7822

    @jakebishop7822

    4 ай бұрын

    Realm of the Elderlings by Robin Hobb

  • @aaronh3347
    @aaronh33474 ай бұрын

    The Everstorm isn't a storm like the others, it's the Weeping, that's why light is growing distant. with the weeping you get no recharge of the spheres and such.

  • @Bronimin

    @Bronimin

    3 ай бұрын

    The stormfather has said multiple times that Dalinar is changing him, risks killing him (because changing and killing are the same thing to the stormfather), every time he has forced the storm to spare people, turn around or go inside buildings. I'm waiting for that payoff, I'm waiting for Dalinar to push it too far and for the stormfather to lose access to stormlight, or get split from the storm maybe, I don't know, but there is something there. Maybe the stormfather does it to himself, even?

  • @supersonik5644
    @supersonik56444 ай бұрын

    I would like to marry Jake Bishop

  • @mndrew1
    @mndrew14 ай бұрын

    Dalinar is not going to do well with cross-universe battles. The reason Rosharans are taller than most people is Roshar is lighter gravity, no? Therefore the people are not as strong. Basically Wayne could probably take out Dalinar.

  • @passdoutcouchpotatos

    @passdoutcouchpotatos

    4 ай бұрын

    You act as if the fucking BLACKTHORN couldnt handle a bit of height difference.

  • @QCreyton

    @QCreyton

    4 ай бұрын

    @@passdoutcouchpotatos His point seems to be that the black thorn is not as strong as he would be if he had lived his life on a world with more gravity, not to mention the effects low gravity has on bone density. someone from another world, with higher gravity would be stronger and have stronger bones given a reasonably similar amount of experience.

  • @aj2563
    @aj25634 ай бұрын

    Podcast is so good with Jake, add him full time???? 🥺

  • @b3n835
    @b3n8354 ай бұрын

    Has kal ever felt the Thrill?

  • @Bronimin

    @Bronimin

    3 ай бұрын

    He was taught from the start to care and not enjoy killing

  • @ellery0909
    @ellery09094 ай бұрын

    Cremling video needs to happen mate

  • @liul
    @liul4 ай бұрын

    Kaladin should be Honor, he's the most homorable, always been, and he has no wife or children that anchors him to a normal life.

  • @cookiediangelo8511
    @cookiediangelo85112 ай бұрын

    How to make WaT not 5 stars? easy, moash redemption arc

  • @joshuabillings5108
    @joshuabillings51084 ай бұрын

    Spoiler in comment for Mistborn Era 1. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Because of his character ark, I believe Kaladin Will Mantel Honor and Odium like Sazed did Ruin and Preservation. Joining the 2 because I believe this is all leading to the reunification of Adonalsium. It's probably wrong, though.

  • @connorslocum9327
    @connorslocum93274 ай бұрын

    Iahagsuahaggaga

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