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@gregorywitcher5618

Жыл бұрын

These guys rock!

@RaptorLlama

Жыл бұрын

@@gregorywitcher5618 for sure I met my wife through their Facebook group lol

@gregorywitcher5618

Жыл бұрын

@@RaptorLlama Somebody from that channel needs to interview y’all! Glory Be!!!

@gizmorazaar

7 ай бұрын

I doubt anyone will believe me since I was never formally credited, but I actually made the wojak that's in that image

The word “mankind” is inclusive. The word “womankind” is exclusive.

@VoItmann

4 ай бұрын

Yes.

One of the reasons I love orthodoxy. It truly feels like you can weave it into your entire life.

@NavelOrangeGazer

Жыл бұрын

As my Godfather's wife said. It forces you from being a "Sunday Christian."

@henrybarrett1292

Жыл бұрын

Or weave yourself into Orthodoxy.

Orthodoxy is the most conservative of the churches, but completely counteracts the grievances and anti-religious talking points of seculars, atheists, and the "spiritual not religious" crowd. It's the medicine America needs, and I can't wait to see it transform America culturally, but most importantly, spiritually! Praise the Father, Son, and Spirit☦️

@kukumatz4502

10 ай бұрын

Good to see Mr. House himself come to the true Church.

I’m 16 and wanting to convert I feel discouraged at the moment feeling that I may never be able to convert pray that I can soon☦️☦️☦️ may Christ bless yall

@KevinBullard

3 ай бұрын

So...didja do it?

@treewalker1070

Ай бұрын

The time you have to spend preparing for conversion is not wasted! All the time you spend studying Orthodoxy and praying about it will be worth it!

My two cents (I know everyone wants to read them) is that we will have an American Orthodoxy only if we live Orthodox lives and preserve it in a significant number of people. I don't think it's guaranteed by any stretch.

Good point brought up here. The story of the Founding Fathers is a closed cannon. Sainthood never ends.

@acekoala457

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. New "gods" are added to the American Pantheon. Latest ones being criminals is reflective of our National Soul.

@filioque4509

Жыл бұрын

@@acekoala457 much the same as new "gods" are added to the canon of revelation. Our political "gods" come up with new liberating interpretations of what the Founding Fathers said, just as forces of evil come up with new liberating interpretations of what God said.

@acekoala457

Жыл бұрын

@@filioque4509 I see it as more of an inversion of something Holy. Men raising up men unjustly. Most of the Pantheon of American Gods were Freemasons or Occultists. Yet we raise them as examples of Christian Virtue. Shows how truly anti-Christ America is.

That "All men are created equal..." is a true and accurate statement. The reality that the founding Fathers of America, were deists, and other protestant ideologies (traditions), don't forget some if not most were Free Masons too. The foundation was laid, and it was built by men more worthy than I. I am sure their goal was to see mankind free. I am a vile wretched sinner, yet Christ is calling me back home...my former priest has directed me to Antioch, and I know I will find refuge in the Hospital of Christ. I am not worthy, but I am sure the founding fathers were following what light they did have. Lord have mercy on my a great sinner.

I think the Appalachian chants are one of those moments. They feel ancient but distinctly American (which is a beautiful oxymoron). I pray for the day that this country turns to the faith in full. I’m happy to be moving forward in finally becoming a catechumen, pray for me brothers and sisters ❤

Speaking as a fresh Western convert myself, I figure that this national thing is very much the same as the individual thing. It isn't about you. Desiring the Church, which is Christ, to change to become more like you, is the wrong way round. We're supposed to be the ones that become like Christ.

@GeneralProfessor

Жыл бұрын

It's the age of narcissism, that means everything is about me and it all must change to reflect my image.

@connormitchell4520

Жыл бұрын

It's not about you of course but I would argue it's also about properly contextualizing and ordering your identities, not setting themselves up as an either or with what you're submitting to.

Holy Guacamole

I doubt america can stay 'one country' for long, its allready split in like 4 or 5 countries

@patrickbarnes9874

Жыл бұрын

People have been saying this for years and years and yet America is still around.

@scythermantis

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickbarnes9874 Is it still around? It's illusory at best; a vacant husk, a mask with no face to reveal underneath, a rotting simulacrum.

@jerkjerkington3874

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickbarnes9874 People were predicting the Civil War practically since the Revolutionary War. It took a while to happen, but it happened eventually.

@shawnpatrick1877

7 ай бұрын

@@patrickbarnes9874 America is barely 250 years old, which is nothing in the grand scheme of world history. You might as well say something will last forever because it's been here for several weeks already. Outside of the Civil War period, the country has never been so divided, but regardless, it's guaranteed to be different after 500 years. No one thought that the Roman Empire would split up and it was around for a lot longer than the United States. Even in more recent history, we've seen the British Empire dissolve and the Soviet Union split into multiple countries.

You know on the topic of ‘saving your ancestors’. It’s interesting when I started attending Divine Liturgy and saying the Trisagion and other morning prayers, I immediately started praying for my grandparents and great grandparents every day sort of instinctually. My great grandmother was a brilliant woman, but spent her life caught up in early 20th century spiritualism. And as I’ve approached orthodoxy her decision to plant her flag in that sort of anti-tradition seems increasingly bizarre to me. How could such an insightful woman allow herself to be so mislead? I know I shouldn’t judge. I can only chalk it up to an ultimately superficial understanding of these deep embodied traditions because I can’t otherwise account for why any member of those Masonic or occult or early 20th century spiritualist groups would choose that over a deep tradition. Maybe it’s worth empathy. I guess the status of western Christianity is so watered down that the mystical burning heart of the faith is no longer obvious or accessible and so they went off looking for their metaphysics elsewhere. I know I did before circling back to Orthodoxy (thank god). Puzzling.

@ienjoyapples

Жыл бұрын

My mother is the same way. The new agey stuff is just the spirit of secular progressivism attempting to find spiritual meaning in modern times. The fundamental axiom of the progressive spirit is that everything becomes better with time. Technology, society, government, knowledge and even spirituality should always look foward, never backward. The implicit assumption of the New Age movement is that we, in our great modern wisdom, understand the divine better than our ancestors.

@AnastasiaR

Жыл бұрын

When people's actions are confusing to me, sometimes I use this thought experiment where I search for the image of God in that person, however distorted it may be. Like you said, maybe she was yearning for something which wasn't clearly available to her in the Christianity of her day. I see this a lot among people who are raised in a watered down American Protestantism or Mormonism. They sometimes end up with this yearning for the mystical and "spiritual" and seem to find it in the New Age or in Eastern religion. The charitable interpretation of this is that that yearning is true and good but that it has been twisted by darkened judgement or confusion when its properly ordered expression isn't immediately available. It seems like you've already had a similar idea on this so I thought I'd add my experience

@cicerogsuphoesdown7723

Жыл бұрын

@@AnastasiaR yes I very much agree

@fakename3208

Жыл бұрын

@@AnastasiaR im someone who stumbled down that new age path and you are spot on. All I knew about Christianity was moral platitudes, cheesy group activities at church, uninspired masses, and fairy tales.

@erri4433

Жыл бұрын

@@fakename3208 similar background here my whole protestant family converted…now that Ive found orthodoxy, the “fairy tales” are my favorite part 😁

I don’t go to church but I like how u guys still have the mysteries and the symbols in your teaching instead of just reading the book at u with surface level interpretations there’s so much more depth why don’t they ever talk about that in church.

@bjackson2000

Жыл бұрын

Attend Divine Liturgy. It’s all that’s talked about.🙂

Cool thumbnail

@gregorywitcher5618

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s like I’ve seen it somewhere before. Is it made by a meme lord? Nah. Too good for one person. It must’ve been made by a Meme Squad.

@ownagesniper1

Жыл бұрын

Eyyyyy

@RealNickMadison

Жыл бұрын

Cool channel

Good points about the narrow participatory limits of Americanism’s myths. When I was a neophyte I wrote a sociology paper on a related topic, about the reinvestment of American orthodox converts of the passionate energy once devote to the myths of Americanism toward participation in the deeper and broader narrative of historical Christianity. The latter, as you say evokes a καιρός (pronounced ‘ke-ros’ not ‘ky-ros’) that is transformative and catholic making American XVIII c. Founding Fathers myths pale by comparison.

Third time I've heard Taylor mentioned on SW, except this time he's misnamed as the great folk singer. 😂 Jokes aside, I'd really like to see JP engage Taylor's work. Thanks JP and Richard!

I heard a story that when St. Brendan the Navigator came to America he found a naked holy man dwelling in a cave that gave him a prophecy that his descendants would inherit this land (he was a monk, never married).

Dude that video in the thumbnail is so excellent. Really good music

The Church in medieval times seemingly felt free to “artificially” inculturate, so why not now? I’ll never be Greek, or Arabic, or Slavic, or Jewish: I’m an Anglo-American

@acekoala457

Жыл бұрын

Because the Orthodox Church in America is a Diaspora. It isn't a Mission. There are Bishops that wish to change that but there's a certain level of Phyletism that must be overcome by both sides of the issue. I now only feel at home in Orthodox Services, doesn't matter the language, there's nothing else like it. I myself am Scots-Irish and Angloid.

@DoIoannToKnow

Жыл бұрын

skill issue

@shawnpatrick1877

7 ай бұрын

And the original Christians were all Jews with Jewish cultural leanings. Of course they early on ruled that one didn't have to be and act Jewish to belong to the Church. Still, people all over the ancient world would have to at first learn from and worship in Churches predominately filled with Jewish people following their own Jewish culture. Thank God all of the Gentile converts weren't racist and ethno-centric so that they rejected the Truth for not being enough like their own culture. If the True Church isn't Americanized enough for you, you need to take a serious look at yourself and ask if you would have rejected the Apostles themselves for not conforming to your own ethnic standards. The barriers created at the Tower of Babel were supposed to be destroyed on Pentecost. While it makes sense for "national," or local Churches to exist and have their own cultural flavor, a Christian should feel perfectly comfortable around any other Orthodox Christians, especially at a Divine Liturgy, regardless of their race or nationality.

@jg36

7 ай бұрын

@@shawnpatrick1877 I do feel perfectly comfortably around other Orthodox Christians, especially at the Divine Liturgy, regardless of their race or nationality. That’s not the issue.

@jg36

7 ай бұрын

@@acekoala457 The Orthodox Church in America really should be a mission, but unfortunately there are still barriers in the way of it fully embracing that path…

That's how it goes 🤯! 💯👍

New Orleans has Our Lady of Prompt Succor. She gets credit for saving the city (and especially a convent of Ursaline nuns) from a giant fire and a miraculous victory (the most lopsided in history, as far as I know) over the English three years later in 1815. For all of the debauchery you will find in New Orleans, you'll also be taken by just how Catholic the character of the city is. Our NFL team is named the Saints. Our NBA team is named the Pelicans. The archbishop is a bigger deal than the mayor. There are five Catholic universities and twenty Catholic high schools (plus 2 Catholic seminaries and a Greek Orthodox seminary). It's an amazing place to live.

@gregorywitcher5618

Жыл бұрын

I’d find a conversation between you and The Pageau Brothers mesmerizing. Let’s!

@FrJohnBrownSJ

Жыл бұрын

@@gregorywitcher5618 I'd give my left leg for it. It's my understanding that they will make appearances on some channels but charge for their time. I completely understand that! I'm sure their time is worth whatever they charge. Unfortunately, I have a vow of poverty, meaning I don't have much to spend for something like this. If we ever would get together, I'd want to discuss the practice of Ignatian contemplations and meditations. It scares off a lot of Orthodox these days, but they mostly conflate it with practices that lead to prelest. I think they would have so much to offer the genuine practice, and the practice would offer a lot back. In the meantime, I just keep getting what I can from their current of thought and incorporating it into mine. I can rightly be accused of stealing some things, I bet! Hahaha

@erri4433

Жыл бұрын

@@FrJohnBrownSJ This comment just introduced ignatian contemplation to me… I am an inquirer (my whole immediate family converted to orthodoxy this year, some extended family too). And I am hesitant to do the whole ceremony and devote myself. I think Im on the path to “the fullness” (as my catholic friend would say, when trying to convince me to leave protestantism for high church.) Would you tell me why they might think this type of meditation/contemplation would lead to prelest? I think with proper guidance from your church father about your appetites would allow for this to be acceptable. But what do I know, Im new here! Pardon me for jumping on here with my question, I am at the beginning of my studies.

@FrJohnBrownSJ

Жыл бұрын

@@erri4433 First, congrats on your family. I wish they became Catholic, of course, but if they were coming from anything else, Orthodox Christianity is definitely a step in the right direction. Some Orthodox mistake Ignatian contemplations for prayers where one might use his imagination to tell himself that God is giving him special instructions apart from the Church. This is a reasonable fear, but it's not what's happening in Ignatian contemplations and meditations. Ignatian contemplations and meditations are excercizes where the exercitant uses his imagination to experience scripture and doctrine. It's like the "symbolic world" Jonathan Pageau speaks about, only more diliberate and intense. Broadly, Saint Ignatius Loyola does for spirituality what Aristotle did for philosophy, as far as the system goes. The technique seems like what parables and narrative theology was meant for. If I can help in any way, let me know! Christ's peace!

@ikkinwithattitude

Жыл бұрын

There are a number of ties between the United States and Our Lady from a Catholic perspective -- our patronal feast day is the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, we have the apparition of Our Lady of Good Help, and we've got strong enough ties to Our Lady of Guadalupe to make that connection, too. Of course, none of those are really available from a non-Catholic Eastern Orthodox perspective. Likewise, it's sort of possible to imagine a US-specific rite, but not one whose influences weren't drawn from the Western/Latin-based traditions of Britain, France, Spain, Ireland, Italy, and maybe Poland and Portugal. It seems to me like the only way to get an "Orthodox America" would be to make it Roman Catholic (and likely more Spanish in the process) and heal the schism between Rome and the Eastern churches. Or, I suppose, for something really weird and unlikely to happen, like the Latin Mass faction feeling so marginalized that they ask to become an autocephalous Eastern Orthodox church, with the Eastern Orthodox overlooking their insistence on retaining the filioque and accepting them regardless (lol). Either of those would still result in something way more Western than Eastern, though.

Brilliant !!!

I’m listening

Wait a few hundred years...reminds me of some things that had to be waited out in the OT and what seems like the apparent gap between the OT and NT books (not familiar enough with the ones left out of many bibles, though, to know how much more of that gap might be covered).

I'm not sure what you think of the Western Rite, but would you say it's opposed to the idea of accepting what we have received from the various Orthodox countries?

Lmao, the timing of this video. A month before last weekend. Wow.

Him: how do you be black in colonial Williamsbur Me: simple by being black and participating in colonial Williamsburg, because there were black freemen and white Irish slaves, not many but a few, you will likely be statistically over representing but not entirely inaccurate

@1345Duffman

Жыл бұрын

So go be free but ostracized by society? Kind of like how Peter treated the Gentile converts in Galatia but more oppressively?

@scurvydog20

Жыл бұрын

@@1345Duffman this might be my ignorance but I don't think there were Jim crow equivalents before civil war. There were also black slave owners. If I remember correctly the primary hostility came from southern cultural influence such as redneckism that became associated with black after the war that generated the majority of the outright hostility in the north to the point where other blacks disliked southern blacks similar to the black Americans vs African immigrant hostility of today. Dont get me wrong there was racism but nothing institutionalized. Given the low numbers such that you would likely know the black person on a personal basis chances are your treatment was based more on personality than on race. Think the classic example of when hotels had no Asian policy but they found if asian couple actually showed up only 1 actually enforced it. This is one of those topics where there's not much discussion because everyone feels they know the answer and don't think about it much

@mdhorton9

Жыл бұрын

My own study on antebellum racism and a great discussion with a black Confederate re-enactor support what scurvy dog is saying

“Dumb” - Nirvana

what is 'double inversion' ?

@iliya3110

2 ай бұрын

In an upside down world, you turn it upside down again by doing the marginal things that don’t fit but ultimately flips things back to where they should be aligned. Fools for Christ saints do this. Christ did this on the cross, which at face value is a total scandal but also that was His weapon too. (-1)*(-1) = +1

Does the Sitka Mother of God icon not count, since it was painted by a Russian iconographer?

Everything said here about America applies equally to Canada or every western country for that matter. America is actually doing ok in this compared

This is fun to hear today, I made homemade guacamole this morning for church and it was a hit even though it didn't match any of the other food items 😂

Iverion icon of the Theotokos for Georgia 🇬🇪

I would like to know, what do the majority of Orthodox members think of the LDS church?

Especially good if we emulate Andrew smith. Who wanted to abolish slavery in 1776

The main participation lacking is theosis. Without that, there's no purification, and without that no illumimation. Meaning there's no founding father apostolic succession because it's a purely rational and political way of participation which is kind of an oxymoron. What you get is an individualist/realtivist pursuit of happiness. Fast forward to today where we're facing the same problem as the early church and the papacy, where one side says the pope never actually did anything popey, but "the text still gives him the power to do x," sounds a lot like living constitutionalists.

🇺🇸☦️💪🏻

Just like the Orthodox Church local culture evolved in Eastern European countries over centuries.

America needs Orthodoxy. Its the One True thing that could actually save america from modernism and heresy.

Lenten guac is already winning, as far north as Wyoming.

Lol I have that flag from the thumbnail on my wall. I thank the Orthobros for helping me find the truth.

Saint hood for Washington now! lol

Im not sure what fan fiction this guy has been reading about the founding fathers, but noone ive ever met treatsd any of them in any kind of diefied manner.....and as far as the whole "getting back to" argument, thats entirely about autonomy from large government having control over you in wery way, not about some weird american christ fan fic...... like whot

The amount of condescendence and hypocrisy coming from this guy is stinky. Jonathan pls. Seigneur Jésus Christ, Fils de Dieu, aie pitié de moi, malgré mes péchés.

The only conservative faith wich allows Women to take last confession of dying person / in very exlusive cases/ is Ortodoksy.....thats the real INЦI was preached.....☦️....S Nami BogЪ

I dunno, they hold the american story pretty well. Especially if you put yourself in the shoes of a pre ww2 american.

0:50 "What do you do with people who don't fit into the story?" Why this is a problem? It's American history, not universal history. You don't do anything with them. They aren't part of the story. They can have their own story.

@tylerdavis520

Жыл бұрын

Are you pro-slavery? I’m confused

Unlike Protestant or the Catholic church, Orthodox church always comes together with a national background like Serbian Orthodox church, Greek Orthodox church, Russian Orthodox church, etc. That is why new converts from USA would appreciate to see their own. To my mind there should be a Orthodox church, because otherwise it always becomes political. Take for example Russia. Orthodox church, as it is used as a soft power tool in Africa and Eastern Europe. As a convert myself it is annoying listening about the politics during the sermon instead of focusing on Christ.

@seraphthegatekeeper

Жыл бұрын

I'm in an OCIA parish, so the mentions of politics are rather few. It's good to know what's going on in our temporal world that affects the spiritual health of the parish and its members, but I'm not particularly interested in hearing about Serbian or Armenian political issues on Sunday morning at Divine Liturgy.

"Men" in that time period also referred to "mankind." Most women in that time period were not interested in voting.

Dear Orthodoxy from American converts, welcome to our moulten sea our floundering stone masons thank you for casting the required insence to the demigod of science unrighteous mammon ate, you conformed nicely.

@CHURCHISAWESUM

Жыл бұрын

What

@erri4433

Жыл бұрын

@@CHURCHISAWESUM Its schizo slam poetry night! 🍿

@seraphthegatekeeper

Жыл бұрын

@@CHURCHISAWESUM Maybe a bad translation?

@veliki-kremlin

7 ай бұрын

​​@@CHURCHISAWESUMHe is making fun of today's America (how silly is the idealization of the founding fathers, how modern Americans see science as the absolute truth and so on) and he welcomes Orthodoxy. It took me quite a while to translate this schizo slam poetry.

@veliki-kremlin

7 ай бұрын

He's right tho

Hopefully america repents and turns to The Truth soon.

Are you trying to teach me about Orthodoxy by putting down America? Go to ... blazes!

I have to disagree with Richard Rohlin at 1:50. It is fully participatory to those who have been initiated. The initiates in the United States are those who serve or have honorably served in the US Armed Forces. We have a form of matins, vespers, saints (today being Memorial Day, which is a kind of All Saints Day for martyrs). We have memorial services, a full liturgical cycle, doctrine (tradoc stands for Training and Indoctrination) and fully participatory events that look a lot like the Eucharistic Feast. Buildings are named after "saints" where the accoutrements of said heroes are typically on display (relics). These stories cover male, female, black, white, Hispanic, you name it. Unlike in the Church where we no longer give the catechumens the boot, if you are not an initiate into the US military you will not fully participate or even see the services. It's not for you. I could write for pages about this, but suffice it to say, there is a fully participatory way of engaging with the American idea. You just haven't experienced it.

@RichardRohlin

Жыл бұрын

This is actually a great point, and something I'm saving for a future video. While I don't think it's totalizing enough to be a Universal story, military service (and not just in our country) has its own cultus which is capable of integrating very well with the Christian story. Btw, I'm from a military family, and I have a tremendous amount of respect for those who have served their country in this way.

My assertion is that if the early Americans/founders had been Orthodox, there would've been no revolutionary war for independence. Othodoxy wants one to take up his cross and any persecution done onto them is seen as a way to salvation, rather than to fight against it in this life.

Americanization is SUCH a bad idea😮 The day any developing country becomes culturally westernized is a day of mourning. Any culture that's authentically traditional is universally understood, no matter what country you're in. Whats far less normal is the synthesized smile and wave type of weirdness that goes on in modern churches. * Im all too familiar with the evangelical church, played drums with bethel leaders ages ago and still never got used to the feeling and mentality of it all, hence why I gave up on it

@danshakuimo

7 ай бұрын

I understand that many people like Orthodoxy because of how different it is from American culture. To many people, Westernization is anathema, and once traditional cultures embrace Western delusions they destroy themselves in pursuit of what cannot be and what is not true. However, there is more to American culture than either secular degeneracy or Evangelical absurdity. There are parts of the country where if you grew up, you would think American = bad. But over time I realized there is an America that exists where people are virtuous and love their nation, and that it is not all bad, even if I haven't really experienced it or struggle to relate as a 2nd gen immigrant. An American Orthodox church would not have electric guitars in liturgy, even if everyone there is a rocker, a music genre invented in America. An American Orthodox church would not have sermons about the "theology" of why we must support Israel, even if everyone there actually does. An American Orthodox church does not need to have the weird "American Evangelical" culture of forced friendliness and that weird cultiness about it (experienced it in college myself), even if most of the members were former Evangelicals, because they became Orthodox to escape that. The reality is that if Orthodoxy is here to stay in the US, rather than a fleeting trend as a "right wing alternative to crystals and woke", it will become American, and has to be in order to have a lasting place in America. There are many Eastern European and other churches that are appealing because of its foreignness. But how long can a faith last in a nation if that faith always stays foreign?

5:17 Well then in that same sense, everyone plus Mary is descended from Mary's mother. And in that sense, everyone plus Mary and Mary's mother is descended from Mary's grandmother. Etc. The Catholic and Orthodox obsession with Mary for bearing Jesus is bizarre. Yes, Mary gave birth to a child. Just like billions upon billions of other women have given birth to children. It's not a great accomplishment. It's a normal part of life that that happens every day. Nobody thinks that Einstein's mother was some amazing woman for giving birth to Einstein. Nobody considers George Washington's mom to be the Mother of the United States. It's weird.

@tryingnottobeasmartass757

Жыл бұрын

What is weird is that you are comparing the birth of God Incarnate to normal childbirth. Was Elizabeth being "weird" when she was excited that Mary visited her? That this event caused Mary to be something special is indicated by the fact that John the Baptist, still in his mother's womb, leapt for joy as soon as he heard Mary's voice!

@seraphthegatekeeper

Жыл бұрын

Please say that to Jesus's face, I beg you. You never, ever attack a man's mother or people's love for her, especially when He is sovereign. She suffered immensely at the hands of her society (she was in danger of being killed and then her children convinced her that her dear son was crazy for a bit) and then watched her son be murdered by the State for simply telling people that God loves them. Her reputation is still smeared today by her own people and by many Protestants who should know better. Her heart has been pierced. For the sake of your relationship with Jesus, don't pierce it any more.

Mose has come such a long way!

Funny because one of the main reasons im a sucker for orthodoxy is due to it's non western nature. To me the idea that people want an American version of it seems infuriatingly abhorrent and frighteningly alarming.😢

@gsnow2526

Жыл бұрын

Don't you know that all christiandom, both east and west, used to be Orthodox? Orthodoxy is not about being eastern at all, despite ppl often calling it eastern orthodoxy - that's not an actual title of the Orthodox Church. Orthodoxy making a comeback in the western world would naturally bring all those good western elements back to life.

@jabrication8048

Жыл бұрын

“Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must be Eastern. The West was fully Orthodox for a thousand years, and her venerable liturgy is far older than any of her heresies.” - St. John Maximovitch (of Shanghai and San Francisco)

@harrygarris6921

Жыл бұрын

It's not that there will be an "American" version of Orthodoxy, it's that in the same way that Russians and Greeks and Serbs and Romanians and Syrians and many others maintain their cultural identity while still being Orthodox Christians, we can do the same in America. And I don't think it's as abhorrent and frightening as you think because in large part - it's already happened. Most Orthodox churches in the US today hold services in English, eat American food in coffee hour, and meet up during the week for barbeques. There are some ethnic parishes still but for the most part Orthodoxy in the US has accepted American traditions as valid.

@RealNickMadison

Жыл бұрын

What's abhorrent is being a traitor to your own nation and wishing to be culturally conquered by foreigners

1st

@arspsychologia4401

Жыл бұрын

3rd

@gregorywitcher5618

Жыл бұрын

LAST!!!

@lukasfolkner4618

Жыл бұрын

Legend @Bojan Drango

As a person that has went through a hard traveled journey to low church evangelicalism, absolutely not. I would rather die on the hill of truth before I succumb to the traditions of men.

@1214gooner

Жыл бұрын

You don’t get Christianity without tradition, special boy😂

@shoulung

Жыл бұрын

@1214gooner oh I love tradition. I just reject the stupid false doctrines that are prevalent in both Roman Catholism and Eastern Orthdox Christianity.

Saying mary is salvation is anathema. She is a created being. Christ is uncreated

@ienjoyapples

Жыл бұрын

He said "before you freak out, this doesn't mean what you think it means", and you still freaked out.

@russelllaviolette7515

Жыл бұрын

He LITERALLY nuanced it.

@LoftOfTheUniverse

Жыл бұрын

@@ienjoyapples he didn't say that, he said he wasn't going to explain it. Nobody is freaking out, are you?

@GhostofFranky

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How do you say what is and what is not anathema? If you are referring to the traditions of the Church then Church would have been in error by singing those hymns for like 1500 years, so if they could make that grave of a mistake for that long why would you be in the Church at all. If you are a protestant then I don’t think you know what anathema is. Your 20 year old tradition just doesn’t really have any kind of authority to declare something anathema

@jacobwoods6153

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​@LoftOfTheUniverse Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers. 1 Timothy 4:16 With that line of logic, to be consistent, you'll have to anathematize Saint Timothy as well since he's saving people and he's a creature.

Orthodox is a fancy name for protestant 💫

@gsnow2526

Жыл бұрын

Really? Because that's not what the RC church teaches either.

@Matthew1618-vh5en

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The Pope only lasted one thousand years? Orthodox is claimed by millions of people who don't go to Church? Orthodox believe in half of Matthew 16:18?

@gsnow2526

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@Matthew 16:18 if you're roman catholic then you must believe that Orthodoxy has valid sacraments. As for the rest of your questions. "Pope" is just a popular title. Other bishops have been called popes as well. Your particular pope is simply one of many Bishops. Historically it's been understood that all bishops have equal power and, in a sense, they all descend from Peter and his confession. There is not a super bishop with special graces. So as you can see, we believe in Mathew 16:18. We simply understand that this is the origin of all bishopric not of the bishop of Rome alone.

@KarlSumner-cn3ds

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That is the stupidest sentence that I have read in a very long time. 😂 You are talking about a church that was born at Pentecost. The "pope" nonsense didn't appear until the Romans broke off from the true church over one thousand years after the Church was born. Protestantism was the result of people breaking away from the perversions within the Roman Catholic church. They broke away and established their own new perversions. The original Catholic Apostolic Church never went away. That is the Orthodox Church. Islam couldn't kill it. Communism couldn't kill it. Please enlighten us as to how it is "Protestant". It is the original Church of the Christ. So, what church does it "protest"?