I became Orthodox with my wife and children and have been blessed to see my best friends, who were staunch atheists, follow me into His Church. Strange and wonderful things are also happening.

@gardnert1

Ай бұрын

His Chruch is the one and only Catholic Chruch my friend.

@SeraphimDW

Ай бұрын

@@gardnert1 I hope making this about your insecurity was productive. I hope that you have a nice day.

@normadaly7506

Ай бұрын

Brilliant!!!! I've run from protestant confusion too

@RunninUpThatHillh

Ай бұрын

The time for partisanship within the church must end. We rejoice with every new baptism.

@Hope_Boat

Ай бұрын

The orthodox Church is not a party. We don't submit to a human leader.

As someone who was raised an atheist I have come to Christ because all other lenses of viewing reality failed me.

@aimhigh3701

2 ай бұрын

All roads lead to Christ… happy for you…

@catalyst3713

Ай бұрын

Same. I slowly realized naturalism is false, because it could not explain the paranormal encounters that my family was experiencing, nor the high strangeness of UAP phenomena that has been confirmed to be real by numerous authoritative bodies.

@xravenx24fe

Ай бұрын

​@catalyst3713 the biggest eye opener about those flying things is that the idea was spread HEAVILY by esotericists and technocratic writers going as far back as the sightings and reports, even further back. It's always been inextricably linked to spiritual ideas and NOT simply or only science fiction.

@honeyb1286

Ай бұрын

Well said …

@normadaly7506

Ай бұрын

Thank God

After years of struggling to fully understand the Christian worldview and discover the truth, the Holy Spirit has changed me for. Desires that had enslaved me for decades instantly faded away and continue to lose their grip on me day to day as I walk and trust our lord. This change was miraculous and certainly not my own doing. All I did was cry out for help from the bottom of my heart.

@amymellor8602

Ай бұрын

Me too praise be to God ❤

@ChoJo311

Ай бұрын

Beautiful!! 🎉🎉🎉

I used to take psychedelics as a means to increase knowledge and grow more spiritually. Just like Jack and Jacob, on one particular trip, I made it to Heaven. It was amazing yes, but I felt like I was trespassing and that I wasn't wanted. I cheated my way through a backdoor kind of feeling. Just like Adam and Eve taking the apple, LORD has revealed to me to stop taking it. I do miss it sometimes as I haven't reached full maturity in my faith. I can't serve two masters nor do I want to. Blessings to all who are in Christ.

@zowens40

Ай бұрын

Your dream made me think of John 10-1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.

@outoforbit00

Ай бұрын

Read the parable of the wedding feast, you know the guy who showed up that didn't bother to dress for the occasion.

@carefulcarpenter

Ай бұрын

There are men(and some women) who can talk all day at a woodworker's event, as if they know how to build anything. There is a huge difference between words, emotions, and completion. The DYI industry has mislead us into believing we can know the Lord of creation.

@da-p6814

Ай бұрын

@IFeelQuiteHungry same thing happened to me. it felt like a cruel cosmic joke. in retrospect it was, and the only one laughing was satan. the distinction between creator and creation must be preserved for meaning to be a reality. we/I/you do NOT create meaning - meaning comes from God and humanity are merely conduits for it.

@Demetra719

Ай бұрын

@IFeelQuiteHungryI like your description of that. I’m thankful for misguided forays into psychedelics because I was able to encounter the reality that demons exist and they can play with your mind (though I never knew that’s what I was experiencing the times that I did). I think the danger with psychedelics is some people never come back or get lost. But for those who do come out of it intact, it is a really helpful language and map to be able to have more real effective conversations with people who are still stuck in the occult or world of psychedelics and all that comes with it.

The “blinders” are coming off💐

This is so prophetic. Just had a really cool convo who’s going to church after an encounter with the spirit world.

@pela907

Ай бұрын

R-R-R-R-Ruslan 🔥....hey bro, big fan of your work. Really awesome seeing you here. Like bro I been thinking, don't you think it would be awesome if eastern orthodoxy and conservative protestants like got married and had a high breed denomination baby 😂.

“You do you” is just another variation of Crowley’s “do what thou wilt

We are looking down a dark path absolutely correct, that sir is because we are the Light To Walk The Way through the Dark. So be Not Afraid!

Definitelly, the veil being opened is a global movement for all of us. That is the only way i can describe how i eventually was able to come back into the real world and see the meaning of things. That God is leading all of that as a natural unfolding of the whole pattern of reality.

@RunninUpThatHillh

Ай бұрын

Yes history is going somewhere...lead by the king of history❤

Christ is lifting the veil. Christ is the truth, the light, and the way. Nobody reaches the Father except through Christ. ✝️🔥🕊️

for the last year i have been listening to TLOS almost every day. seriously can’t seem to get enough… now onto fr.s’ books, god is a man of war and others. thank you so much for this work! thank God for my conversion! ❤❤❤

Discovering the personal personhood of the Creator and Sustainer (God) through relationships with Christ, his Mother, his spouse (The Church) and his brothers and sisters (the Saints) is crucial to deep knowing of the Divine Will" and meaning of "being".

That is why we as Christians have received the Holy Spirit and why we are put under so many many tests so that we might learn to listen to His voice and become spotless through dying to ourselves and going through some fires as training in order to withstand this spiritual onslaught. If we keep our eyes on God we will be more than conquerors. We will inherit the earth

@whitemountainapache3297

Ай бұрын

Don't be so bloody foolish. When THEY come back, your allotted role in life is to be perpetual sacrifices. That Is why You are called SHEEP.

In these times, many come to Christ through chastisement.

Inverted authenticity is a good way to put it

I watch you Pageau to hear discussion of the themes that have been emerging in my poetry over the past two years. Something is going on. The Christ visits Muslims in their dreams, He appears to neo druids in their meditations, and He will interrupt cast circles at His own pleasure. There is a deeper magic still. He was there when it was written and He is on the move.

I just had a moment then. You were talking about the veil being pulled aside and I thought of Isaiah 5 when Israel and Judah were neglecting the poor and needy so God said He would remove the hedge and tear down the walls. Wars are coming because we have neglected the poor and needy.

Yes you are correct ✅

Thank you both for fighting on tru the dense shadows!!

I was going to say that the roots of post enlightenment materialism go deep in my (millennial) generation. But I don’t think that metaphor quite captures the magnitude of the problem. My (our) entire framework, in essence our reality IS one of pure post enlightenment nihilistic materialism. It’s all there is to so many of us. It’s the model that kept us alive when we realised our parents, the society and the culture had abandoned us. It works with what’s at hand. This object, that object, just use what’s at hand to get though to tomorrow. A leads to B leads to C. It’s so simple and effective if all you need to do is get through to tomorrow or next week. Why bother if we’re nihilistic? Because we were young at the time, there was still novelty to be experienced with the passion and vigour of youth. But once you reach middle age having lived a life like this, and your youth and sense of novelty for your hedonistic existence has faded, you’re weary, the drugs just don’t work any more. Yes you can suffer to get through to tomorrow or next week, but why bother? It’s so difficult to see the reality of anything outside of that paradigm once you’ve reached that point. Everything outside of it simply seems “immaterial” and not real. I used to smugly believe I was empowering myself and safeguarding my future well being by constantly improving my materialist framework. New structures, new rules, new layers of the infinite onion of reality peeled back. But the truth was, underneath the smug exterior was a person experiencing constant death anxiety. Really it was a frantic exercise in trying to get through to not just to next week, but the next month, and hopefully the next year. It was only when I became so existentially depressed that I was even willing to consider there could be another valid way of looking at the world. I’ve been following JP for years at this point. I decided to follow his example and “live my life as if God exists” (to the best of my childish understanding). Mainly through listening to my conscience and following traditional wisdom. Recently I started going to church. A lot has changed, I’m in the longest relationship I’ve ever been in, I have children now, and it’s amazing. A classic disciple of JP story I’ve heard over and over (which is wonderful btw). But I’m still struggling to truly accept that reality IS patterns, rather than material stuff. I actually agree on an intellectual level that pattern is more real than objects. But at this point in my life the framework that kept me alive is so well entrenched, I still end up seeing everything through it anyway. It’s almost like the lifelong anorexic who knows they’re now healthy and a normal weight, but still in the mirror they see an obese person. Also those at my church, the other Christians have a primarily post enlightenment materialist view of God and Jesus. I wanted to find people who had a more metaphysical higher (patterned / hierarchical) conception and faith in God, but their way of thinking really reminds me of my way of thinking. And I don’t want to really get into what I’m trying to believe, because I don’t want to harm their faith by explaining why I can’t believe in that way. One of my good Christian friends actually said to me when I asked him why Jesus was the son of God and why this person had the power to redeem us was, and I quote, “the cold hard facts of his existence”. He then recommended me a book “proving” this reality by methodically analysing all the eye witness accounts of the life of the man called Jesus. This honestly made me feel quite sad and like I couldn’t find any common ground with him as his metaphysics were the same as mine, it’s just that my standards for evidence of a materialist reality were stricter than his. Is there a church for reformed post enlightenment materialist atheists?

@davida.taylor8444

Ай бұрын

You started going to church as an atheist? You gave a great explanation as to why bc you want to live as if God exists especially to battle the nihilistic view of our age. I'm curious what church/denomination you attend. I can see the value of attending, but myself having grown up in church, I can easily see how your perspective will differ from a regular church-goer bc they likely haven't given reality the philosophical thought that you have. Plus, it sounds like your interest really isn't in Christ per se but rather in empowering yourself to live beyond the vulgar patterns this age provides. While that's a noble goal in my eyes, I'm not sure that too many Christians are equipped or interested in that and may talk to you with apologetics for the faith rather than the deeper meanings it sounds like you want. I partly say that also out my own sense of missing church since I left but also encountering Christians who had no clue about my perspectives and questions, so my apologies if I'm projecting too much.

@RevJack-bz7ew

Ай бұрын

I was trained in a Gnostic Christian church. They were very traditional as far as their sacramental practice, but they were not as concerned with correct belief as they were with "Gnosis" which is the kind of knowledge that comes from the experience of God. So I would say, use your church and spiritual practice (like prayer) in a more poetic way. Find the kind of inspiration that opens your heart to God and that peace that passeth understanding, and then if you are still interested, theology can find its proper place.

@leojmullins

Ай бұрын

Discovering the personal personhood of the Creator through relationships with Christ, his Mother, his spouse (The Church) and his brothers and sisters (the Saints) is crucial to deep knowing of the Divine Will" and meaning of "being".

@leojmullins

Ай бұрын

​@@RevJack-bz7ewGnosticism is the first heresy.

@RevJack-bz7ew

Ай бұрын

@@leojmullins Even Origen was called a heretic, as were numerous Catholic saints, some (like St. Joan of Arc) were even murdered by the church. Valentinus (a most famous Gnostic) was considered orthodox enough in his own time that he was a candidate for Bishop of Rome. So, yes, I am aware of these allegations, but still am grateful for those who brought me to the sacraments and the miracle of the incarnation of Christ and His continuing work of salvation.

God is pure Love🤍When we love Him and others like ourselves we are one with God, we are in union with our Creator. When we are in union with Him, then His will is done on Earth as in Heaven even through us. Love is the greatest commandment and makes us His children. So I guess we should all pray to love according to His will and His way.🙏🏻

I love the image of this eye, particularly the colors.

I've endured long-term trauma from an abusive relationship, constantly reliving the events and suffering panic attacks. Recently, I watched your videos on biblical literalism and metaphor. You mentioned that when we recount events, we create a narrative with a hierarchy of significant details, exaggerating some and diminishing others. Since hearing this, my traumatic memories no longer hold me emotionally. What do you make of this? Is it normal to feel such relief upon realizing our memories aren't strictly materialistic?

The veil is indeed lifting. Tribulation follows tho...

In January 2022 the Spirit told me, "a veil is being lifted". Soon after I was able to discern that I was surrounded by narcissistic people my whole life.

Christ is the light, the truth, and the way. ✝️🔥🕊️

@peterhamlet1415

Ай бұрын

Way, Truth, and LIFE!!!!

The re-enchantment also seems to be reviving a Promethean, Luciferian type of impulse

Reading the comments on this channel it’s interesting to me that Pageau pulls in a wide variety of people, not just orthodox. Hopefully it exposes them to it.

The lifting is the oneness and unification of religion, and science. ☸️☯️☦️🕉️

@juanvaladez5703

Ай бұрын

Nope. The lifting is Chist revealing himself. There can be no ‘oneness’ between contradicting beliefs. The sky cannot be blue and purple at once. It’s one or the other or neither. Christ is the light, the truth, and the way. ✝️🔥🕊️

I said this very thing today, “the only difference between an angel and a demon is alignment toward the good.” Do you think that’s accurate or sufficient? Great conversation, Thanks! ❤

@AphraelPilotson

Ай бұрын

I hope that it is.

@da-p6814

Ай бұрын

@@AphraelPilotson if you were wrong, then demons wouldn't be fallen angels

@AphraelPilotson

Ай бұрын

@@da-p6814 true, but the implication I'm more interested in is the idea that a demon can be redeemed by realigning itself toward the good.

@da-p6814

Ай бұрын

@@AphraelPilotson I'd think not, because unlike your average human sinner they didn't become bad by being decieved. they actively chose the path of destruction

@AphraelPilotson

Ай бұрын

@@da-p6814 then could they change their choice?

The truth of Christs return is being known by His true Church. Those with ears to hear and who abide by the Spirit of Truth. This is satans little season, we are the resurrected dead. Christ freed us from hell for a chance to know Him. No man comes to the father but through Jesus Christ!

Excerpt from Emanuel Swedenborgs work ”Our Life After Death” - seems to rhyme with this… “ It seemed as though the angels rolled back a covering from my left eye toward the center of my nose so that my eye was opened and able to see. To the spirit, it seems as though this were actually happening, but it is only apparently so. As this covering seemed to be rolled back, I could see a kind of clear but dim light like the light we see through our eyelids when we are first waking up. It seemed to me as though this clear, dim light had a heavenly color to it, but I was later told that this varies. After that, it felt as though something were being rolled gently off my face, and once this was done I had access to spiritual thought. This rolling something off the face is an appearance, for it represents the fact that we are moving from natural thinking to spiritual thinking. Angels take the greatest care to shield the awakening person from any concept that does not taste of love. Then they tell the individual that he or she is a spirit.”

To be permeable is to possess an inner truth in which to appeal to, the very thing you dare not lie to.

Those who believe in their illusions, will die by them. - Frank Herberth

My spiritual awakening has happened in my early twenties. I went through terrible experience risking my life and my to be born child. Let’s say I was born again with the new insights and wisdom, since then consciousness and intuition were my strength. At the age of 42 in 2018.. I went through the spiritual “test” again, but it was a set up by ignorant and cruel people who didn’t have a clue with what they are dealing..my brain was hacked, abused for quantum mind power experiment..that’s why I will keep repeating again and again there’s a huge difference between natural course of life events and phenomena vs simulation and evil people using telepathy to create situations…by the way I was supposed to be dead twice - my brain and then my heart..by nature I was very sensitive to energetic fields - they used the negative one to cause a heart attack by making it extremely weak. I was saved to tell my story.. but somehow even before speaking up I was called to be a narcissist..”God” knows I tried to save people and change their minds.. but the events took a course and happened as it was at “God’s” will..

Psilocybin helped to loosen the chains of materialism for me several years ago.

@fullserstorm83

2 ай бұрын

I got curious, could you elaborate?

@fullserstorm83

2 ай бұрын

Man I was really confused because my mind read penicillin... 😂😂😂 But anyway, what was your experience with it? The first time I consumed it, I really had something (with a little amount though), but not anything mind blowing... But the thing was that when I looked at myself on the mirror I started thinking about how much I liked that person on the mirror, as if in third person, which is by itself odd because I am really rigid (in a bad way) with the way I see myself. Not to mention to see me as if I was not myself at the moment. What about your experience?

@RevJack-bz7ew

Ай бұрын

Psychedelics have helped many people break free in that way. And I would point out that psychedelics and religious tradition are not an either or proposition. Read about the Marsh Chapel Experiment and many others that show genuine spiritual insight can come from these tools, especially when combined with valid traditions. Often the psychedelics lead to tradition, but of course like all things in this world, care should be taken.

@nancybaumgartner6774

Ай бұрын

Nope. Psychedelics open you up to increased deception and possession.

@RunninUpThatHillh

Ай бұрын

fullserstorm83 I've had that experience of seeing myself from a third person perspective when I drink reishi tea for long periods. I go about my day and have this strange feeling like I'm observing myself and others from a different perspective and I feel a deep sense of love and empathy. I didn't really expect that. Same with holy basil. (Nothing fancy, just tea I grew myself in my garden).

The normalisation of the occult…teach you children well.

Draw near to God and he will draw near to you, Become acutely aware of deceptions for they flood our times

3:59 Is there someplace where you can learn more about thus? About words not being what they etymologically mean? Because I always deal with people saying things like pharmakeia = drugs therefore all modern medicine is bad. That's just one example.

Any opinion on the spiritual experiences of Emanuel Swedenborg? He wrote extensively on his spiritual experiences. I can't make up my mind on him.

@tome2294

Ай бұрын

@lookupEdwardBernays if you mean Swedenborg was speaking via allegory he was not. He spoke of actual spiritual experiences spanning decades.

This discussion could be had with regard to AI. If the AI's only have access to syntax, but don't really comprehend semantics, then they are pure intelligence without full existence. They are like naked Cartesian "souls".

I was born in a Ukrainian immigrant traditional community. Moved to the west coast in 1963 at 12 years old. Saw the counter movement and the unleashing in the 60s as a teen. At 18 I turned my back on this world’s vibe and delved deep into Christ. I think you have some gaps in your theory? I would love to talk to you about this sometime.

Does anyone know where I can find a great resource that explains the metaphysics and mechanics of spirits?

@olubunmiolumuyiwa

Ай бұрын

John of Damascus' "An exact exposition on the Orthodox faith" book 2 or 3 talks about the metaphysics of angels and demons. In terms of mechanisms, he briefly talks about them in "on holy images" in the section about 'what are icons'. Matthieu Pageau's (Jonathan's brother) book "The language of Creation" talks about how spirituality works. A really good book, definitely requires multiple reads though to get the full picture.

@catalyst3713

Ай бұрын

@@olubunmiolumuyiwa Thank you. I'll look into it.

@simex909

Ай бұрын

This channel is the best resource I've found. He rarely goes over the basics because he doesn't like repeating himself, so I'll try to explain the basic idea: A spirit is something like when more than one mind is directed to the same thing, an "entity" which is not identical to an individual conception must be created. Organizations are a good example of this. A corporation has a mission statement. At one point an individual came up with the mission statement, and it was merely an idea in their head. At this point they can change it around however they see fit, they can scrap it on a whim. It's completely under their control and 1:1 with their perception of it and nothing like a spirit. Now more people join the company. They read the mission statement, and it means something to them which is similar to the initial intent, but not identical. They begin to put this in to practice and now that mission statement, which was once just a malleable idea has solidified and become more of an independent entity. If the original author wants to change something, they have to consider that other people have already adopted and put in to practice the original idea. It can still be changed, but it's harder. Now imagine that original guy dies. The mission statement persists, and people can engage with it, and even see tangible evidence of its existence in the actions of the corporation. It's becoming more like a spirit. There are quantified results brought up in meetings, which either show a movement towards or away from this spirit. If they move towards the spirit, the corporation makes more and more money. If they move away from it, it dies. Thousands of people become dependent on the success of this entity for their livelihood. It becomes increasingly difficult for any individual to make changes, and as it gains power it begins to subsume those people. Maybe the company is so profitable and entrenched in society that individuals in the corporation will betray their own personal mission statement in the service of the entity, which at this point is more important than they are. People do that all the time. Being compelled to action by a disembodied will is often called "possession" ;) You could also think about language. If you create a word and nobody uses it, is it a *real* word? What makes it real? It becomes real when other people adopt it because that gives it an existence which transcends your mind. If you died without sharing your new word with anyone, it would die with you. If, on the other hand, people adopted it's use, it would continue on after you died. That's mundane, bottom up, spirit generation through community. Presumably God can do the same thing from the top down. We need multiple people to create a spirit, because a group of people is a movement up the hierarchy from specific/material/individual to broad/immaterial/community-- also known as "up" in spiritual terms. I think this is why Jesus says something like "whenever two or more people gather in my name, I will be there." Because an individual mind cannot escape its own bounds, but the result of two minds *is* outside of the bounds of the individual minds. Jesus being something like the meeting point between the top-down and bottom-up process. That's my best attempt. In a way it's kind of too simple to see, and we're not used to thinking this way. It probably sounds like I'm describing totally normal things as if they're supernatural. But I think normal things are a lot more supernatural than we let on. I'm probably wrong on some level because I'm just another dude trying to figure it out. Someone will probably chime in and correct me. Take this with a massive grain of salt.

@rwitt985

Ай бұрын

@@simex909 This is so extremely helpful. I hope you don't mind but I saved this as a note for myself for future reference. Thank you for doing God's work

@almightyzentaco

Ай бұрын

How could any such resource be anything more than speculation?

True. I believe the veil began to lift in the Philadelphian church age. But we are now in the Laodicean church age, so the process is increased. In the last days knowledge will be increased, but also a great falling away. As time accelerates, the vessels of mercy & wrath are being filled more quickly.

The Enlightenment really messed us up!!!

Would kindness be enough or do we need a doctrine behind it?

@noblegamer8740

26 күн бұрын

I think there has to be something behind it, probably doctrine. A perfect example is the far left’s use of the word “kindness” vs traditional Christianity’s use of the word. People are screaming across the aisle at each other using the same word, but each ascribes a different definition.

I firmly believe God the Father, parenting humanity, has let our physicalist egoism run rampant so we could collectively get it out of our systems…like a father allowing a willful teenager to run wild until everything comes crashing down…unfortunately ⅔’s of humanity won’t make it. So yeah, I think we’re leaving an age of hedonic material nihilism as in a wild-child teenager does and matures into a young adult.

Its called "The Reappearance of the Christ" the age of Light is here!! however, it is the darkest hour before Dawn!!

so weird that you said that the veil is being lifted becasse about a month or two ago I thought the same thing! Thank God that I'm a Catholic! You being you is silly. Nobody know who they are! You are a child of God period.

I find it somewhat amusing that the difference between western conceptions of dragons as " chaotic" or evil are not contrated to eastern or asian views i dragons as Good or full of wisdom but dangerous.

👏👏❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

Comment section has some crazies today I see.

The lies of men who follow a false god are finally being brought to light. Those that fear this have a strong internal connection to this deception. Their identity is being threatened.

Spiritual isn't same as being a Christian child

I still dont understand the god and Jesus thing, I want to but cant seem to experience it.

@oekmama

Ай бұрын

Find a church near you and ask if you can join a Bible study. Read through with people who can answer your questions.

🎉

The veil is being lifted so let’s look for the most negative outcome? Okay

One must make a whim see cool. Disney knows this enchantment, the movie inside out has the emotions using a (con)sole to control the actions of the individual. AI is emotion IE moving.

Maybe, but most people are just walking away from what they see.

@juanvaladez5703

Ай бұрын

They won’t be able to walk away for much longer.

@Wondwind

Ай бұрын

@@juanvaladez5703 I bet you support Israel

I think you are saying that people are not discerning enough to know the difference between good and evil as it pertains to supernatural experiences. For those who are not able to discern, religion helps ground them. For those who are able to discern, religion limits them. My point being, religion is not an answer for everyone. Some want to go beyond the walls of religious doctrine which is old, stagnant, and I adaptable. Everything in life grows and evolves. That is the law. why doesn’t religion do it?

Where was the church when it was time to get ready for this experiences? Too late now fellas, cat is out of the box

@RunninUpThatHillh

Ай бұрын

"Jesus is still moving things in the right direction, but it's in spite of our religious grasping of what's going on"

The veil will lift, then the cataclysm will occur

Isn't that the Priest who called some dude an Incel? Lol

The Book of Mormon is real and it is good. 🙏🏻

My god, Fr. Andrew. What a glorious beard.

@jlmartin70

Ай бұрын

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Religion is just another limitation. Another trap.

There are other well developed spiritual paths that are probably superior in many ways to Christianity. But Christianity is superior than most paths and better than a foolish Youngblood dinking around with daemons. I think a deep reading of Jung is a solid place to start to understand how over our heads we are in these matters.

psychedelics open you up to spiritual influence. if you do them willy-nilly, it's like doing a séance and saying, "if anyone's there, please answer." never a good idea.

Where do we see this ‘unveiling’ going on popularly? I see nothing of the kind, except on KZread. There was a lot of reckless spiritual experimentation going on in the 80s, if this is what you speak of, it’s nothing remotely new.

This guy talks in circles never saying what he means. He admits there is a spiritual dimension but still denies an objective spiritual world and all its Heavenly Host, reducing such beliefs to ‘simple’. The truth of Heaven and the truth of Christ will no longer be deniable. Every knee will bow. ✝️🔥🕊️

Your viewpoint also has many, MANY holes. Talking about the pitfalls of all the others does not prove your own. That’s a logical fallacy.

👀🎧🫶🏽

You can "go Christian" and use psychedelics at the same time, actually.

@fullserstorm83

2 ай бұрын

What's is your interpretation of your experiences as a Christian? The time I've done it I was not one yet.

@billbadson7598

Ай бұрын

@@fullserstorm83 It made the world more magical for me, and opened me up to accepting the existence of spirit when I was on the fence before. But I don't try to make the experience itself magical, I don't think drugs have any innate power to enlighten. They only change our perception of things that are already there. I absolutely understand the concern people have of psychedelic use leading people to spin off into bad spiritual places, because it opens you up to all spiritual places at once. If you leave your front door open, good and bad things can come inside. Christ is the rock to anchor yourself to so you don't spin off into chaos. But I think, generally, the problem that too many in the post-Enlightenment world face isn't that they're too open to perverse spirituality, it's that they're too closed to any spirituality. If the front door is locked and barred all the time, nothing gets in, including God.

maybe atheist whould take part while still being atheist by not calling god god but instead calling the logos some sciencetific name and having a pragmatic faith of protection and utility.... while still being strict and understanding.

Whos to say that people learned in Scripture cant use psychedelics in strict discipline of prayer and reading, calling upon Christ, cant have a positive interaction with the spirit of Christ while under psychedelics influence? Someone who does have discernment to counter evil spirits? Its ignorant to "assume" psychedelics can have NO positive use in a Christians life!

@erri4433

Ай бұрын

Does your church Father say its okay to explore on your own?

@RevJack-bz7ew

Ай бұрын

@@erri4433 Mine did and he was right. Of course these things are powerful and can be abused. But there is a long history of positive use in the past, and in modern times as well. Look up the Good Friday Experiment, one of many showing positive spiritual effects, in this case involving divinity students.

@nancybaumgartner6774

Ай бұрын

If a child came to you for help and counsel , would you encourage the child to take psychedelics so you can have an enriched interaction?

@RevJack-bz7ew

Ай бұрын

Many intelligent and honest Christians have used these tools to benefit their spiritual lives. And there have been a number of studies showing that this is possible, such as the Good Friday Experiment which involved psilocybin given to divinity students. I believe it's on Wikipedia.

@nancybaumgartner6774

Ай бұрын

@@RevJack-bz7ew that is a load of crap . I am a therapist , have been in the field for forty years , and have seen this gimmick before . And it is a gimmick , which won’t end well. The same deceptions surface in cycles , years apart , but same lies and same destructive outcomes . There is nothing new under the sun. Nothing . And human beings are so easy to seduce and entrap , because each generation thinks if something is new to them , it’s new period. Nope . Why do you think - as a collective - we never learn from history and always repeat atrocities ?

What is better... To experience the spiritual world in an unconventional way, perhaps even un-bracketed, or outside the orderlyness, or structured format that is guided by a church? Or... Live agnosticly, without meaning at all? Yes, the world of spirits is dangerous. But just as dangerous as anyone living unconsciously, paying no mind to spirits. They quoted the appropriate biblical verse - "test the spirits". But no one can test the spirits without first encountering spirit. Will mistakes be made? Probably! But is what we are moving towards not better than what we are moving from? In the least, we may be entertaining a time that we yet again have spirits to test, rather than not! I don't see these things as bad! Only that we don't give people the ability to discern for themselves, this seems more likely to spoiling the whole movement! With the lack of trust that is evident in our institutions, who really expects to voice out, follow me! And have many answer without reluctance. I would focus more on explaining clearly and convincingly the good spirits from bad, so that what we say makes good sense and is easy to agree with and follow, rather than waist time sounding like a car salesman, trying to say "you don't want that car, you want this one instead". Just let the car speak for itself! It's better than no car at all!

@wangxiaoming8989

Ай бұрын

I don't understand what spirits are. Can somebody clarify? Are they the aliens from SF movies? Are they another animal? What are they since I've never met any one of these invisible animals yet? Are they the reptilians from outer space? And what is all that "your thoughts are not your own" thing? Who else's are my thoughts if not mine? There is so much nonsense in this "spiritual" lingo that very few know what people are talking about when uttering the word "spirit". Can somebofy clarify and explain as I do not perceive anything else except matter, and my own thoughts that come from my own life experiences?

@KnightedBean

Ай бұрын

I wouldn't have found Christ had it not have been for using LSD.

@KnightedBean

Ай бұрын

Only He knows how best to call you

@KnightedBean

Ай бұрын

Finding the Woman is harder. Plenty of Eve's... you have "russian", "baptist", "antiochian" "roman catholic", " greek orthodox"... is there any church that hasn't been created by casting lots for our Lord's garments..? Which church is Our Lady most Holy? Unashamed in Her nakedness... no cloak, no fleshly skin... where is the Church?

@RunninUpThatHillh

Ай бұрын

I'd be very interested to hear your experience. I ask understanding it's a private matter but sometimes people like to share. It sounds cliche 1000% but he came to me in a dream a couple times. It was sublime. I can barely describe it.

Psychedelics are tools, 🔥

@Mr0rris0

Ай бұрын

You were given what you have This vantage point this consciousness level Omniscience makes you a tool if it's not for you baby boy.

@Mr0rris0

Ай бұрын

Chances are self trashing narcissists further insulate themselves in a wholly self generated solipsism Narcissism is one living in a simulation already Everything you think narcissism is is really a symptom of their made up mind not mapping to the world and they do their thing and folks have to meet them where they are willing to have reality like a dog that won't look for the laser dot anymore. So you got you whole bird brain pulling for you now so just wait for that dot puppy That's how it works ya Your not alone. Right.

@Mr0rris0

Ай бұрын

Let's say psychedelics we're made for 20 people Through all of history they are spread out and some generations have a person that they were meant for. Why is that you? Why is that for Jim Bob or chaz. Oh how lucky for them. But they would be tools if they weren't the 20 people. You see how ate up this is?

@Mr0rris0

Ай бұрын

Tool for the German company that put 10 million into the Netherlands to mill some academic papers months after the pandemic to go with your better help. And they even took out the vitamin kingpin Alex jones who would have banked on this cluster fuck

@Mr0rris0

Ай бұрын

😂

Sigh…enlightenment thinking

@AugustRushington

Ай бұрын

Yeah, silly peasants. You only find hope and meaning in Jung and Nietzsche and the physical sciences. Obviously. Man, I'm glad guys like you and I exist to make sure these dummies aren't leading themselves off cliffs.

you're not your khakis

I've been think about it as the "cyclops" we are starting to see the cyclops in society. Cyclops as in cirlce of perception. An evil cyclops.

You're not your thoughts, your not your feelings etc.... what are you then Jonathan?

@JaredandTasha

2 ай бұрын

It's to point out the underlying Self and the adventure of discovering it.

@transcendentalarts5942

2 ай бұрын

@@JaredandTasha can you expand and elaborate please? Thanks

@CVsnaredevil

2 ай бұрын

You are spirit: Eternal being and consciousness or attention. Most of us have thoughts and emotions that are incorrect. If we remember that we are not our thoughts and emotions, we can choose to live above them and understand how to not let them influence us.

@olubunmiolumuyiwa

Ай бұрын

​@@CVsnaredevilBut also don't forget that it is natural for Humans to be flesh and bones too. We are flesh and blood with spirit. We act in our flesh from our spirit. We must remember that ghe Ressurection at the end of the age is a bodily ressurection, not apart from having a body.

"Something beyond" what makes Jonathan an expert on these topics? He is a self-proclaimed expert. What are his qualifications to speak in these matters? Heck he isn't even an ordained priest in the Orthodox Church. He is an "expert" because he says he is???

@Viz-Jaqtaar

Ай бұрын

Do you have a source for that!?!

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And yet these 2 are also inauthentic in that they would believe that they have free will.

What is this all about??? What are you pushing ???

We are looking down a dark path because people like Jonathan Pageau refuse to actually decrypt symbology, or are charlatans and do not actually know some of what they are talking about: symbology comes from MEANING not INTERPRETATION, and Ive found most of this work to be philosophical and not very enlightening. This advertises to the adept that you dont have the answers you claim.

@user-we2qv1cx6x

Ай бұрын

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Christ is not God unless Christ IS God. The real Messiah can only be a perfected incarnation of God and his son only be the new Melchezidek, the perfected incarnatiin of Archangel Michael

The concept of people having meaningful, mystical experiences beyond Christianity frightening you tells me all I need to know about you. Think carefully how narrow a perspective is that condemns 99.9% of existence to ignorance and hell. This sounds more like a demiurge than a God. Certainly doesn't sound like the Spirit of Christ. You speak from a perspective of fear and desire to control. There is nothing holy in this.

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