DCS Kola - The End of the Sim Sand Age or Diet Kola?

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A green map finally came to DCS so we are looking at it. Here is a pretty neutral review of the map so I hope people find this helpful.
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00:00 Intro
00:49 Airfields
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03:09 Modeled versus Unfinished Areas
03:57 Forests
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05:24 Early Access Considerations
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06:46 Outro
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  • @Enigma89
    @Enigma89Ай бұрын

    Will you be buying Kola? Let me and your fellow gamers know below.

  • @russianfighterpilot

    @russianfighterpilot

    Ай бұрын

    "From there you can decide if you're going to purchase it" Me watching this video while downloading KOLA: ... :D

  • @Name-ps9fx

    @Name-ps9fx

    Ай бұрын

    Yes. I like having more areas to explore and do things. Mostly SP, but have dabbled in MP

  • @rudlzavedno7279

    @rudlzavedno7279

    Ай бұрын

    Probably not for now. It looks very early access.

  • @marvinmartiani1337

    @marvinmartiani1337

    Ай бұрын

    "Waiting to see" about airfields, detail and if ED & DCS will be a thing (at least as a viable online game) a year from now.

  • @calinho_1515

    @calinho_1515

    Ай бұрын

    I Will pass this map

  • @Why485
    @Why485Ай бұрын

    150GB is too many calories for my diet. I need a Diet Kola.

  • @mro9466

    @mro9466

    Ай бұрын

    Certified Orbx TrueEarth moment 💀

  • @NB28VT

    @NB28VT

    Ай бұрын

    I was shocked when I saw that, ooof

  • @Name-ps9fx

    @Name-ps9fx

    Ай бұрын

    Oh well I needed another SSD anyways.

  • @hanswolfgangmercer

    @hanswolfgangmercer

    Ай бұрын

    That is downright unreasonable

  • @LupusAries

    @LupusAries

    Ай бұрын

    Makes me really happy I forked over the extra Dosh for an X570S Board with 4 M.2 Slots and later the 4x2TB M.2 SSDs (2xWD SN850X and 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus) when they were cheap last year. And that DCS went unified, so I don't need the space for both versions.

  • @macdirty869
    @macdirty869Ай бұрын

    Two words - Road bases

  • @Enigma89

    @Enigma89

    Ай бұрын

    I hope they add more of them.

  • @skatterpro

    @skatterpro

    Ай бұрын

    @@Enigma89 Flygbassystem 90 was by design portable, I find it quite surprising that there are specific road bases modelled, even if there are specific stretches of road built to accomodate it. I don't know much about Finnish road bases though.

  • @nikkis0981

    @nikkis0981

    Ай бұрын

    @@skatterpro finland has fairly many road bits that are wider than usual to be easily converted into a roadbase

  • @banaantjexx164

    @banaantjexx164

    Ай бұрын

    Aren't the wheel physics on rough terrain pretty fucked?

  • @KrustentierBarbier

    @KrustentierBarbier

    Ай бұрын

    @@skatterpro You still need infrastructure for a working road base: huge amounts of fuel, all the ammunition, spare parts, all the tools for working on the jet, shelter so you can work on jets no matter the weather... thats nothing you move around in a truck convoy. And in case of ammo and fuel, nothing you have sit on ground. All the roadbases had concrete shelters overgrown by forest, underground fuel tanks and ammo shelters.

  • @johnwicks4936
    @johnwicks4936Ай бұрын

    Nobody so far seems to get down in the weeds of Rotor territory to show the level of texture quality. I’m going to wait on detailed reviews. I don’t want another South Atlantic situation.

  • @Rodz88

    @Rodz88

    Ай бұрын

    Yeap, not gonna fly helicopter down low with that texture.

  • @RedFail1-1

    @RedFail1-1

    Ай бұрын

    FINALLY! Someone else who agrees SA is shit and should not be up for sale. I got so many absolutely braindead comments on my video saying South Atlantic was a waste of $60

  • @Solid615

    @Solid615

    Ай бұрын

    It looks like absolute garbage down low tbh. Like NTTR map.

  • @IronFist.

    @IronFist.

    Ай бұрын

    It's good at helicopter altitudes and the buildings are extremely detailed (more than any other map) But performance is another question. If you're on 4090 then by all means you'll love it but if not then you prob won't be pleased

  • @algroyp3r

    @algroyp3r

    Ай бұрын

    TBH Enigma seems to run the video at relatively low settings. It might be representative of how it will look in his content, but not of the map itself. Spudknocker's review shows the map as much better looking.

  • @NB28VT
    @NB28VTАй бұрын

    *Enigma travels to Finland to cut down all the trees + pings Orbx to make the map more real life accurate = boom mission making problem solved! :) Good video enjoyed the honest take

  • @cmdrquelcertoleo3408
    @cmdrquelcertoleo3408Ай бұрын

    minor note. "people familiar with the module maker reputation from msfs will jump into this". in my case, quite the opposite, orbx is not the same orbx of years ago, they're publishers now. right now, aside from the green colour and the vast area (and unmodeled for the most part), I can't see 55hardEarnedMoneys there.

  • @utley

    @utley

    Ай бұрын

    that can be debatable as most of the modders from Orbx started their own projects, Holger being a great example. Ive a TON of Orbx stuff for both MSFS and P3D/FSX and none of them are 3rd rate.

  • @roombaclaymoregaming5514
    @roombaclaymoregaming5514Ай бұрын

    Passing on this map for now will reevaluate in the future

  • @somerando8615
    @somerando8615Ай бұрын

    "first green map" I'm worried this will end up like the south atlantic map where everyone forgot about it in a month.

  • @DiphonFX

    @DiphonFX

    Ай бұрын

    I think SA was too limited in scope. Kola is going to be a huge nostalgia playground for all of us who grew-up playing 90’s sims like Jane’s F-18, and EF-2000.

  • @Gunfreak19

    @Gunfreak19

    Ай бұрын

    The map has 3 NATO countries and Russia. And even if Northern Europe isn't heavily populated by central Europe standards it a metropolis vs the part of South America that is in the SA. Also, you can just take dozens of NATO winter exercises. From the 60s to just this year and recreate them as real conflict.

  • @Galf506

    @Galf506

    Ай бұрын

    SA was terrible quality though, this is OrbX, not a barely held together mess from Razbam

  • @deekamikaze

    @deekamikaze

    Ай бұрын

    South Atlantic is mainly ocean with a little bit of terrible quality land sprinkled in

  • @icedragon769

    @icedragon769

    Ай бұрын

    South Atlantic had the triple whammy of 1. visually uninspiring at launch 2. region of the world only cared about because of one low-spectacle conflict and a outdoors brand 3. bad geometry for multiplayer: patagonia is flat, falklands is small, it takes an hour to get between them Kola only suffers from 1.5 of these. 1. Visuals aren't the best, but these will improve and some of them may improve quite soon because they may be LOD bugs 2. LOTS of people care about this part of the world, it would be a primary theater for WW3, and it's the site (or close enough) of salient historical events like the Winter War, the invasion of Norway and Battle of Narvik, the North Sea Convoy engagements, Commando raids, the sinking of Tirpitz, and the motherfucking Battle of Hoth 3. As Enigma pointed out, the geometry at present isn't great, but if you look at the planned expansion airfields, it's going to improve dramatically. The big gap in Lapland will be filled in by Ivalo and Alakkurti, and the Norwegian coastline will be filled in quite densely by Evenes, Andoya, Bardufoss, Tromso, and Hammerfest. It could become a two-theater map for ECW like Caucasus is, one grid on the coast and one in Lapland.

  • @Marcin79W
    @Marcin79WАй бұрын

    It's kind of hard to make this part of the world without a forest (lol). Thanks for the video.

  • @jw8042
    @jw8042Ай бұрын

    As a Norwegian I will be running Bear intercepts from Bodø, and Tom Clancy red storm rising “dance of the vampires”

  • @norwegianwiking

    @norwegianwiking

    Ай бұрын

    How about the full invasion scenario ca. 1980s?

  • @jw8042

    @jw8042

    Ай бұрын

    @@norwegianwiking most definitely my good sir 👍

  • @norwegianwiking

    @norwegianwiking

    Ай бұрын

    @@jw8042 I have most of the FFI reports used for the 70s defense study, just have to figure out how to turn that knowledge into missions

  • @jw8042

    @jw8042

    Ай бұрын

    @@norwegianwiking jeg kan gjøre ett forsøk 😊

  • @norwegianwiking

    @norwegianwiking

    Ай бұрын

    @@jw8042 søk etter 75-NDRE-S-12 Det er Kampflystudien som gir mye gode detaljer om hva luftvåpenet skulle gjøre

  • @koen7906
    @koen7906Ай бұрын

    I think this map will could be very good when it is finished, but in this state, I'll leave it for now

  • @IronFist.
    @IronFist.Ай бұрын

    The problem with COCA KOLA: 1.) Shit performance in urban areas at high settings on anything other than a 4090 2.) Not enough airports at release (who thought these few airports would be enough for DCS multiplayer??)

  • @Enigma89
    @Enigma89Ай бұрын

    I should have mentioned this in the video but I am going to let someone else do a more rigorous performance test of the map. I am not as technical as other members in the community so I avoided it. I typically got 140 FPS in the unmodeled areas and I would get about 60-70 in the bigger cities and about 90 in the mid-to-smaller sized cities. I do have a Ryzen 5800X + 3070ti. Lastly, the map is about 140gb so keep that in mind.

  • @itsmerker

    @itsmerker

    Ай бұрын

    I believe 140gb is the largest DCS map to date, correct?

  • @termitreter6545

    @termitreter6545

    Ай бұрын

    @@itsmerker Yeh. Syria is 66GB. SA might be inbetween Kola and Syria.

  • @ysiadpir1423

    @ysiadpir1423

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks for the reminder of your specs. I have a 5800x and AMD RX6800. If I do buy I would expect a similar FPS but with medium shadows.

  • @ShadowDDB1
    @ShadowDDB1Ай бұрын

    i am a single player / co-op dcs player so maps are always an instant buy for me. the more places to fly in the better :)

  • @jerrytribe5748
    @jerrytribe5748Ай бұрын

    I have operated out of Bodo and recognised it immediately before you put up the name. This is a definite for me. The ranges make it challenging. Put some weather in and those not considering Safety Alt are going to have some CFITs.

  • @TritonAnimations
    @TritonAnimationsАй бұрын

    Honestly, I was really hyped for this map but just looking at this and the associated knowledge makes me reconsider. 55 USD with discount, 150 GB of space for a map where airfields are too far from each other, which is blatantly incomplete and the textures of which just don't do it for me. Thanks Enigma, this review may have saved me some cash. I do hope to purchase the map in the future if it gets a lot of additional work.

  • @ttopiass

    @ttopiass

    Ай бұрын

    I dont get this point about air fields being too far from each other. It is as it is in real life. There are no additional air fields in Finland that would be closer to the Russian border. Orbx cant just create fictional air fields.

  • @TritonAnimations

    @TritonAnimations

    Ай бұрын

    @@ttopiass I was under the impression they haven't added all the airfields yet. If they have, I understand your point, it's not really something they can change but it remains something that impacts how playable the map is.

  • @ttopiass

    @ttopiass

    Ай бұрын

    @@TritonAnimations they havent added all yet, but none of the missing would make it any better (maybe Kittilä is closer than Rovaniemi, but the roadbase still is the closest)

  • @TritonAnimations

    @TritonAnimations

    Ай бұрын

    @@ttopiass fair enough. I suppose we'll just have to cope with a long range map

  • @finnm.2582
    @finnm.2582Ай бұрын

    Thanks for your insight, Enigma. As a Viggen enthusiast I will have to get this map at some point but I will wait for at least another six months before I pull the trigger on this.

  • @broworm1
    @broworm1Ай бұрын

    Excellent to have a 'practical' review. The terrain and potential looks stunning, with the fjords etc. Definitely worth keeping an eye on in the future if and when they add more airfields. Also, 140gigs, jeez.

  • @dimitriapostola3119

    @dimitriapostola3119

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed - I thought the time to target discussion was especially helpful - that's one of the primary topics on our server and how long someone is willing to spend flying to the target

  • @dcsheinlein
    @dcsheinleinАй бұрын

    I served in the Norwegian army and have been to Lakselv a few times. its so strange to see it green as we hardly experience summer up there and is never was when I was there. Summer is the nicest month of the year in northern norway tho.

  • @Gunfreak19

    @Gunfreak19

    Ай бұрын

    Except for the mosquitos the size of A-10s. Armed with GAU-9 suckers.

  • @dcsheinlein

    @dcsheinlein

    Ай бұрын

    @@Gunfreak19 yep. The mosquitos with support elements still gives me nam'flashbacks.

  • @JamesTyranski
    @JamesTyranskiАй бұрын

    I'm always buying the maps early because I like the early access discount. Even if I don't have missions to play on them right away, I enjoy flying them early on and seeing how they progress. I'm in DCS for the long game, so I'll still be here and excited about how mission makers will use this map.

  • @RedFail1-1

    @RedFail1-1

    Ай бұрын

    So how do you feel about South Atlantic being out for 2 years now and still being complete sh**? 2 years and not a single user mission or campaign, not a single mission for any DCS module except the one single mission for F-15E that requires 2-4 people and is just flying 200 miles to bomb one ship. Getting 6-15fps. Being spawned on unfinished airfields outside the playable area. Textures look like crap and there are trees bushes and rocks everywhere and in places they shouldn't be. Major problems with tiling that is more and more obvious the flatter the terrain. Worth the $60 right? And the description for it on the DCS website... Saying mission makers will love it blablabla making you think there will be tons of content for a 2 year old map when there is literally NONE Yeah. Stop buying pre-orders for EA modules. Otherwise they are just going to keep making more and more and more without working on things they've put out already. You can't finish the last EA module if you're working on the next one to put up for pre-order. STOP giving them money until they stop doing this.

  • @JamesTyranski

    @JamesTyranski

    Ай бұрын

    @@RedFail1-1As I said, I'm in it long term and I believe it has improved since release. And I'm not going to stop buying EA as long as I feel I'm enjoying my purchases. You can choose to do otherwise. ... I bought Afghanistan too.

  • @mzaite
    @mzaiteАй бұрын

    Hey remember a couple years ago when DCS was totally going to catch up to Microsoft Flight Simulator 5.1 and have a whole globe? Yea, good times

  • @AndreiCeleste
    @AndreiCelesteАй бұрын

    Enigma, a well done impression on the map! I salute you! Its definitely something else and I am looking forward for more updates to the Kola map by ORBX

  • @Gungrave442
    @Gungrave442Ай бұрын

    Good review, and another classic DCS release. Could be awesome one day, if they add a few more fixed bases and develop some kind of road base solution. Interesting possibilities for Cold War and modern engagements, Supercarrier integration, fleet battles. Its a map that ought to have it all. But its not even in the same zip code as done, and so youre buying hype/promise rather than actual value. And then you have to ask yourself, what will finish development first Supercarrier (lol) or Kola? Will DCS even be a thing by the time this map gets close to its potential? And besides that, whats a full instal of DCS running these days? 1tb? 1.5? I thought the flight sticks would be my biggest hurdle to playing...

  • @wiggles7172
    @wiggles7172Ай бұрын

    Have never seen your channel nor any videos you have done. I have to say well done; a solid review in my mind. I'll be holding off on getting this map. Cheers

  • @NikitaShirokov
    @NikitaShirokovАй бұрын

    Awesome review. Never thought about a map from the mission maker pov. Thanks

  • @billcedarheath387
    @billcedarheath387Ай бұрын

    It was mentioned that the non-price for the initial release could increase as the map is developed further. IMO, It’s pretty expensive right now with it being very incomplete. There is a lot of faith needed that this won’t be like another map that disappointed a lot of folks. I’m not sure I’d be in favor of any price increases beyond where it is for the release. I want to get Kola, but not in the current state. I’d hate to wait just to see the price increase.

  • @Sandboxcode
    @SandboxcodeАй бұрын

    Great video!! Wish it was a little longer (only because I was enjoying it so much) but I think it covered all of the main pts your audience would expect. Very informative.

  • @MrBooka42
    @MrBooka42Ай бұрын

    Love it, very informative. Keep it coming, and thx for your amazing server.

  • @TheRaptorXX
    @TheRaptorXXАй бұрын

    Good video and great points put over with no fuss and refreshing honesty my friend. I for one would be well up for more like this as I love the honesty above all. Maybe one for each map so that people who haven't got them can make up their minds? Cheers Rap 👍👍👍

  • @AnonDecided
    @AnonDecidedАй бұрын

    Nice work Enigma. Thanks for the analysis.

  • @dgfgts
    @dgfgtsАй бұрын

    I think it's the realistic, modern map that DCS needed. Yes, the area is HUGE. Which is precisely, what Scandinavia is about. A conflict in such sparsely populated areas is much different than what you have in Syria, etc. Long flights with a2a-refueling, long-distance radars and AWACs coverage, long-range SAMs and air-to-air engagements is what it's all about. And of course, near the border you have perfect opportunities to create front-lines. I'm actually looking forward to buying it, despite the hefty price.

  • @doltBmB

    @doltBmB

    Ай бұрын

    Enimga doesn't care about realism, he wants war thunder with jets.

  • @JPazer

    @JPazer

    Ай бұрын

    @@doltBmB There are servers which are full sim and more game like. Nothing wrong with either, you are not being forced to play either. War thunder would be great if it had the fidelity of DCS jets.

  • @RafaPolit
    @RafaPolitАй бұрын

    Excellent video with very useful information, objective and straight to the point.

  • @pyroscot
    @pyroscotАй бұрын

    Enjoyed the video and interesting take on mission options. I've bought the map as I really want to explore taking out Russian naval operations, ships, subs and sub pens so we can extend the range with multiple carriers for F18,14's and other carriers closer to shore for harrier and apache ops.

  • @user-rs2th2uh5q
    @user-rs2th2uh5qАй бұрын

    I'm in the middle of downloading. Everything I've gotten from Baltic Dragon and Reflected have been solid gold, so I'm looking forward to their Kola campaigns. I hope ED implements field and expeditionary arresting gear for FARBs some day. This map seems like it would be perfect for it.

  • @Miksa
    @MiksaАй бұрын

    The airfield situation can be improved by adding Ivalo, EFIV. It is a civilian airport, but I'm sure air force would use it if needed. Until 2008 it had two runways, so that could be simulated for campaigns in earlier periods.

  • @ColonelAkirNakesh
    @ColonelAkirNakeshАй бұрын

    Loved the map review. Hope you do more. As for flight times, are there potential roadbases to make it reasonable? While I was excited for South Atlantic to have a DCS map in a place I want to vacation, I was disappointed in the lack of content, which is my mistake entirely. Lesson learned as a primarily single player guy, I'll hold off on Kola until the Baltic or Reflected single player campaigns come out for it. Those guys are top tier so any map is worth it if one of their campaigns are set there.

  • @ChattytumblerTCW
    @ChattytumblerTCWАй бұрын

    Nice to see a server owners viewpoint. I tend to write single (or small squadron) missions and I think this will be great to add something new. I’m already looking at all those tree sand thinking they would be perfect substitute for Vietnam ground strikes on tricky targets :)

  • @Proximax9
    @Proximax9Ай бұрын

    good review! I love map making so that was a good thing to include! as a finn, this map was a must buy for me, despite its flaws.

  • @robertcras8151
    @robertcras8151Ай бұрын

    9n the old days playing EF2000 you could use the fjords to creep in, looking forward on doing that again.

  • @swedishtwinsband
    @swedishtwinsbandАй бұрын

    Great video! I’m holding off for now as it does seem quite a ways away from being to where I’d want to play it. My suggestions for your next map review: I get that you’re less on the graphics than most… but I would have liked to see a bit more on how things are detailed, and maybe some particular sites of interest. Not sure what your methodology is for deciding video times, but I think this could have been 12 or 15 minutes. Really enjoyed it!

  • @efirehawk
    @efirehawkАй бұрын

    No more half-baked stuff for me, thanks... I will start from now one purchasing DCS addons that are actually close to completion. Plus the F-15E fiasco shows how development of the half-baked stuff can just halt indefinitely.

  • @marvinmartiani1337
    @marvinmartiani1337Ай бұрын

    LOL scooped ED by 4 mins. Well done sir!

  • @ryu1940
    @ryu1940Ай бұрын

    Great video, disappointing map tbh. That price tag is just way off especially for the deeply EA state at the moment.

  • @Eraseri
    @EraseriАй бұрын

    Good video and good comments. Thank you for the review. This will explain to lot of people why Kola is not coming to Enigma at the moment, and for good reasons.

  • @rpersen
    @rpersenАй бұрын

    I am from Lakselv, and the terminal and airport is pretty much spot on.

  • @kbxt
    @kbxt21 күн бұрын

    Interesting perspective, thanks!

  • @madaxe606
    @madaxe606Ай бұрын

    150GB is an awful lot for so few airfields, no winter version, and meh terrain. Agreed with the assessment that it looks unfinished, even for Early Access. I'll pass until it's much more fleshed out.

  • @chadvader974
    @chadvader974Ай бұрын

    Good to hear it from a designers perspective thank you.

  • @EaglefireflyGaming
    @EaglefireflyGamingАй бұрын

    Map currently in work :) I was pleasantly surprised at how things are so far working out in the first 30 minutes or so

  • @bringdownvevo
    @bringdownvevoАй бұрын

    Good to see your still up and kicking man. With the forest I just wanna play devil's advocate. Norway is not heavily populated so it will be heavily forested. Also with the damage aspect. I believe that is realistic. Trees would naturally provide a breakup of shrapnel and concussion. I think it could be a unique layer to consider during missions

  • @Mightymoose02
    @Mightymoose02Ай бұрын

    Great review! A must buy map, as I am a Norwegian.

  • @AnthonyAdrianAcker
    @AnthonyAdrianAckerАй бұрын

    Good review. I was curious what the unfinished areas looked like and it's what I expected. The detail really up close is a little lacking at the moment however I know Orbx put a lot of work into the details of their products. Their Oregon terrains for XPlane look so damn good and accurately model every bridge and well-known building in Portland for example. I am looking forward to flying through the mountains and exploring the forests. I'll have to wait until I have more hard drive space for more maps. I can reasonably install 2 of the current maps at one time.

  • @jstorm7757
    @jstorm7757Ай бұрын

    Very honest and informational analyses of Kola. I really found your 12 minute radius rings, interesting. Especially from a players POV and when they'd get bored or lose interest in the mission. Overall, yeah it seems rushed. But, unlike Sinai, this E/A I can run decently and will anticipate getter better.

  • @aerotorc
    @aerotorcАй бұрын

    Kola is a good map for DCS and one we’ve been asking for … but given the state of the map and the imminent release of the F-4E, Kiowa Warrior and possibly the Chinook I’d have preferred (as a consumer) for them to wait until it was a bit more complete, and separate it a bit more in time from the aircraft modules!

  • @Rodz88
    @Rodz88Ай бұрын

    So much hype for the Kola, but at this current state, I will pass for now. looked too early access. I will save the money for Kiowa or Afghan

  • @TheIrishAce
    @TheIrishAceАй бұрын

    Thank you for this review. It made a though, unsure decision easy. I will be passing on this one.

  • @Golden5er
    @Golden5erАй бұрын

    But there's a ME trigger that will help you remove vegetation, which includes forests. This might help place targets.

  • @DokuganRyu28

    @DokuganRyu28

    Ай бұрын

    Ah yes, big circular gaps in the woods marking targets. Great idea!

  • @spanuehspanueh7216

    @spanuehspanueh7216

    Ай бұрын

    The triggers for scenery-removal can be circular or polygonal.

  • @ChrisPBacon-my7yt

    @ChrisPBacon-my7yt

    Ай бұрын

    Is this a new feature or nah?

  • @Golden5er

    @Golden5er

    Ай бұрын

    @@DokuganRyu28 What do you think happens when you try to build in a forested area?

  • @Golden5er

    @Golden5er

    Ай бұрын

    @@ChrisPBacon-my7yt It's not new. Been there for a while.

  • @bigrivercod
    @bigrivercodАй бұрын

    Thanks for the review

  • @adequitevelocity1089
    @adequitevelocity1089Ай бұрын

    Really exited to fly the viggen and the huey on Kola

  • @JETFOURLITRE
    @JETFOURLITREАй бұрын

    Really needs winter textures. Can't wait for those.

  • @lilletrille8998
    @lilletrille8998Ай бұрын

    Nice video, and I agree 100% - the map needs a lot more airbases. I already bought the map and it is downloading right now. I am Norwegian so I could not spend a single day without this map. I bought it so fast that I did not even realize that the most finished part of the map is the eastern part, but that is okey as long as they keep working on the map.

  • @DokuganRyu28
    @DokuganRyu28Ай бұрын

    It also doesnt participate in the miles program so this map has a too low price/quality value for me to buy.

  • @PeypaMikko-1842
    @PeypaMikko-1842Ай бұрын

    Thank you for your analysis. I was planning on flying MiG-21, but the distance between airbases might delay my purchase.

  • @tristantaranis7411
    @tristantaranis7411Ай бұрын

    I agree, released to soon. Ground resolution is a real deception even in high detailed areas. Urban areas are really good modelized. Nice map for jets not for helos.

  • @icedragon769
    @icedragon769Ай бұрын

    The tree density issue you pointed out, can't you remove trees in the mission editor with SCENERY REMOVE OBJECTS ZONE? Is there like a performance cost associated with that or something?

  • @Enigma89

    @Enigma89

    Ай бұрын

    Sure you can but then this just adds more of a burden on mission makers to make a map suitable for playing. It would just be nice if the map was applicable to DCS mission making for the majority of the terrain.

  • @StringerCourier
    @StringerCourierАй бұрын

    Perhaps with this map DCS is attempting to expand its user base by giving the less-than-hardcore simmers something pretty to look at besides just staring at a HUD or radar screen.

  • @chikokishi7030
    @chikokishi7030Ай бұрын

    I love your speaking style. Very to the point. Can't tell if you're annoyed or not.

  • @Patrik.Pereira
    @Patrik.PereiraАй бұрын

    pay me now, hopefully ready in a year...

  • @TomWilson-sy4jo
    @TomWilson-sy4joАй бұрын

    Personally I put my modules into four categories, those that I am just not interested in and not matter how much they cost I won't buy them. Those that I will wait on until the price drops to below $30, those that I buy the second they come out, and finally those that are an aircraft or theater that I want but am not convinced of the quality of the mod prior to release to purchase. I will call this the K category because I lump the Kiowa and Kola map into it. This map doesn't look at this time ready for map doesn't look ready for me to invest my money into it. Hopefully in the future it will grow and become a worthy competitor to the Syria map for top billing but personally I would rather pay $10-20 later than pay $55 now for a module that will just leave me frustrated

  • @dieternussbaumer5568
    @dieternussbaumer5568Ай бұрын

    Thanks for your analyses. I saw it too late:-) Map already bought. How4ever, I agree with your points, despite I am NOT a Mission Maker. With ORBX I have experience since FSX all the way thru until MSFS and I was never disappointed. So I am confident that at the end this will be a high quality map. Players tend to hype for new content and do not know how much work is behind. For someone not knowing ORBX you may be right, to early and not enough Airbases. But I believe in ORBX. The solution maybe to wait and not to hype :-) Thanks for your video, very appreciated!

  • @kittyhawkdcs
    @kittyhawkdcsАй бұрын

    Can you share the command to make it download to a dedicated server?

  • @WhereNerdyisCool
    @WhereNerdyisCoolАй бұрын

    I don't understand this trend of "let's release unfinished things" lately. I just saw another video comparing MSFS to DCS Map terrains. I think that's relevant here.

  • @Wheelman_PCAS
    @Wheelman_PCASАй бұрын

    First PvP experience was BMS Falcon Online in this region last winter. I had more free time then and the mission distances were WAY to far for quick sorties between putting the kid to bed and me passing out. I’ve barely dipped me toes in ECW and with limited time won’t get bored of Syria/cauc for a long time.

  • @acegoat7573
    @acegoat7573Ай бұрын

    I think I am going to hold off for a while. I run a private community where I run Campaigns that last several months. The 300km trips between airfields won't suit what I need the map for. It looks like it will be a great map in the future once it is all fleshed out and has more airfields, but right now it is a no. Also, that 154GB file size, yikes.

  • @Benom8

    @Benom8

    Ай бұрын

    I'm also in a small dcs group and while it's not such a problem for the more dedicated members, it would be tough to convince enough of the group to find cash and space for this one right now.

  • @YlmazDALKIRANscallion
    @YlmazDALKIRANscallionАй бұрын

    Should we buy in early access, Mr. Enigma?

  • @jui79
    @jui79Ай бұрын

    I think I should have watched the video before purchase 😅😅 I like the idea of the map, the area, the size, the rest will be delivered later.

  • @OliverMiles98
    @OliverMiles98Ай бұрын

    For the large distances between airbases, hopefully we'll get Kirkenes airport in Norway and Luostari and Koshka Yavr in Russia. The distances between Kirkenes and those 2 bases is only 30 and 40 nautical miles respectively. There's also the numerous smaller regional airports dotted around that area with Norway, the closest is Vadsø which is about 47 and 57 nautical miles away from Luostari and Koshka Yavr respectively.

  • @6mmstyle775
    @6mmstyle775Ай бұрын

    I appreciate your points that touch on how the user experience would be in its current state. I'm excited but will hold off til it's a bit more solid. This EA stuff is not my cup of tea anymore, I don't want to pay for a backlog.

  • @spidey2085
    @spidey2085Ай бұрын

    I was hoping that maybe eventually theyll optimize textures and reduce the size but to my surprise from their FAQ there's this: "At the time of launch the map requires approx.150GB of free hard drive space. With more content planned in the future, especially a full set of winter textures, this will likely increase further. That being said, with additional optimisation being worked on in parallel with new content, we hope to not increase the overall map file size much more. "

  • @Enigma89

    @Enigma89

    Ай бұрын

    150gb is FAR too big for a single map to occupy

  • @RedBloodCat1
    @RedBloodCat1Ай бұрын

    nice review, still gonna buy it but large part is because in norwegian

  • @trippylummox274
    @trippylummox274Ай бұрын

    I just migrated DCS over to a new 2tb ssd, so I'll most likely get it. I may wait until it gets more completed, though

  • @Antarialus
    @AntarialusАй бұрын

    Thanks for this informative video, once again! To be honest: I bought Kola (actually downloading^^) because I'm gettin sick of all the other maps in DCS. And I have all except the cannel. And yes, I'm with you when you say, that Syria is actually the best map in DCS. But I can't fly 7 days/week in Syria ;-) As you demonstrated with the cirlce-zones and flight-times this map looks wide and empty! But let's see (and hope) how this map get's fuller in the next months. I'm confident that this map will reach the level of Syria, not next month and not this autum. Kola could become a real great map and that's what DCS mostly needs: cool maps! And the Phantom + the Fulcrum(FF), but that's another story ;-)

  • @smudgekenobi7126
    @smudgekenobi712622 күн бұрын

    150GB for what feels like little to nothing, still a long way to come for this map. Will have to see what June brings

  • @evanbrown2594
    @evanbrown2594Ай бұрын

    I am going to buy it as is. South Atlantic will be shelved for a while to open up the space

  • @gazgazgaz2
    @gazgazgaz2Ай бұрын

    Thanks for the review in great aspcets. Big help!!

  • @Pinprix
    @PinprixАй бұрын

    @Enigma89 looks super good, love the aesthetic of it. I was very interested in the points you made about distance between airports. As far as the forest go, could areas be cleared in a block(through the mission editor), to provide open space for gound targets or farps, so that the forest isn't really an issue. Or of course targets could be placed on roads where the forest is cleared. Also the fjords and others areas provide options for more water based targets and Air Defense that aren't available for example on Syria except for one part of the map. After considering, for sure the biggest issue of it all is the distance between airports, would be amazing if the developer or ED made it possible to create (rough airfields/undeveloped) through a Mod or Developer tools, that could bridge the gaps! Great Video!

  • @Laerei
    @LaereiАй бұрын

    One day I will buy it but not this day or any day near. I just don't have any spare funds for the foreseeable future. And buying it when it's more cooked is wiser choice anyhow.

  • @AvrilToxic
    @AvrilToxicАй бұрын

    I bought it just because of the area. I'm also just getting back into PC sims so adding to my available maps.

  • @ollyk22
    @ollyk22Ай бұрын

    I have found it a little dissapointing so far, but have faith they will work on it and bring the best DCS has to offer. I know I will never get that DID EF2000 feel, that was weird, but will be fun when we get the EF2000 I think!

  • @virusandtech7788
    @virusandtech7788Ай бұрын

    Yes, I will be buying. About distances, I can understand that for a casual PVP server like yours this could be a downside. But for my personal DCS needs it is perfect, I play single player campaigns, or Multiplayer PVE with my Milsim focused naval squadron, so this is a plus for us. Of course the more the merrier, and so I also am looking forward to new airbases, airports and road runways. Also this map takes a special place in my heart, as it brings me memory from my favourite sim of all times, Jane's F/A-18E...how I would have liked for that source code to be leaked.

  • @TheGalahad78
    @TheGalahad78Ай бұрын

    Bought just as it launched. For me it was more of a nostalgia thing, with Microprose's F-19 Stealth Fighter and DiD's EF2000.

  • @steyreye
    @steyreyeАй бұрын

    I'm in, Orbx are renound for their great MSFS scenery so I have faith. But yes still a little underdone at this point. But I'm happy to take the discount by getting it early.

  • @littleponygirl666
    @littleponygirl666Ай бұрын

    I bought this at the first moment it was possible but this was gonna be my last EA purchase relating to DCS anyways. I don't hate ED but I do hate the way they do business. Endless stream of EA modules that take years to get finished and slow improvements to core game and this isn't going to change. Sooner or later I'm gonna make BMS my main sim.

  • @captainMony
    @captainMonyАй бұрын

    140 gbs to have the inside of buildings explode realistically?

  • @specky4eyes742
    @specky4eyes742Ай бұрын

    I've only just got around to buying the South Atlantic green map because it's taken this amount of time for it to get somewhere near finished.I will probably be buying the Kola green map in about 18 months time.

  • @Enigma89

    @Enigma89

    Ай бұрын

    Probably a good timeline but i am not involved with the timetables

  • @LiveseyMD
    @LiveseyMDАй бұрын

    What do you think about upcoming FC2024 module?

  • @mr.simulator4724
    @mr.simulator4724Ай бұрын

    this will be a good map for fast jets and interceptors

  • @norwegianwiking
    @norwegianwikingАй бұрын

    Can we get a low level flight from Kilpisjarvi through the Skibotn valley to Skibotn?

  • @jaromirandel543
    @jaromirandel543Ай бұрын

    Is there polar night? Does Latitude in DCS affect gyrocompassing align time?

  • @Enigma89

    @Enigma89

    Ай бұрын

    I did test this but very little. I am from California so my expertise in this particular subject is not great which is why I left it out of the video. Winter at 4pm did have a really interesting lighting situation as it was nearly dark but the sun is at an odd angle on the horizon. As for the northern lights I do not know or think it's in

  • @jaromirandel543

    @jaromirandel543

    Ай бұрын

    @@Enigma89 I think it could be caused by non-spherical engine. But the Sun never set down. It travels along the horizont.

  • @sundog8775
    @sundog8775Ай бұрын

    Bought it, love it. Finally the best terrain maker for MS:FS has come to DCS. This was instant buy for me due to Orbx stunning track record in FS. So far I'd note this map has the best looking terrain mesh of any in DCS. Highly detailed mountain peaks and exciting fjords to buzz around. I did find some texture blocks that did not match their neighbours, a couple spots where mesh needs to be tuned up. The terrain textures are also the best of any in DCS IMHO. I think the performance of this map is a little better than Syria's or Marianas, but not as good as Caucasus or Persian Gulf. If you're on the fence about buying this map, do not buy it yet. Wait until its complete. Don't be that guy who spends their allowance on incomplete items that probably won't be feature complete for 2 years and then complains incessantly for the next 5 years... We've got enough of those guys already. This map may not work well for ECW, or many other MP servers out there where gameplay depends on flying somewhere in 10 minutes; at least until more airports / road bases are added. However, for deep strike, carrier air wing, or more A2A PVP, I think this map will work out great. 1. It's EA 2. Yes, it costs money 3. It's barren, as in reality, and modeled wonderfully

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