A lot of buyers guides but have not seen a lot of discussion about avoid having buyers remorse which was an interesting thing that I could not get out of my head, so I hope you find the topic interesting. If you experienced buyers remorse in the game then let me know in the comments

@cowansimstudio

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I've experienced this with Razbam modules. The quality from other modules is just significantly better so I regret not spending the money on buying my friends their modules

@Wolfhound_81

2 ай бұрын

Can't agree more, really good topic and some deep insights. While I don't regret it, I switched from flying the Gazelle for ages (waiting for the KW), to the F-15E. I did it together with my wingman who was then my pilot in the 15E, but he didn't enjoy the module (and the new squadron) as much as I did, switched back to helos, flying the AH-64. I never wanted to fly the 64 because I'm a scout guy.. but after a while, I trialed the 64, flew some with my buddy in the CPG seat, and now I'm fully back to rotaries and don't regret it a second. The module is pretty good although I still can't wait for the OH-58D.. but just flying together with him again more than makes up for the shortcomings of the aircraft.

@Bobinification

2 ай бұрын

Yet you failed to mention that on Steam, you can try and get full refund for the first 2 hours/2 weeks.

@Wolfhound_81

2 ай бұрын

@@BobinificationWell yeah, true.. but I'd rather trial for a whole week as many hours as I'd like than 2h and a minute after that you're f*cked, especially given how long it takes to get to grips with most modules.

at my beginning of playing dcs i made some smart choices… F18, Supercarrier and basic hotas. now i own 20 modules and mainly play the A-4 Skyhawk

I bought the Hawk T1 as my first module. Nuff Said

@spysareamyth5806

2 ай бұрын

oof

@Parabueto

2 ай бұрын

I'm glad I bought it when I did and on sale. Was one of my first modules when I had no idea what I was doing and my expectations were extrmeely low. Also bought it on sale so I didn't lose much money on it.

@johnt7155

2 ай бұрын

I got it not long before it got removed lol.

I have a lot of modules that I haven’t flown much, I know the basics and how to fly and stuff, but I haven’t had much time to use them all or get in the game in general. Though it’s like man I spent a lot of money with no play return. But I love planes and I know I’ll get to them eventually so that’s the only reason I’ve avoided buyers remorse. I’m not picky either so I’ve enjoyed them all for the little time I’ve flown them

@MrHrannsi

2 ай бұрын

I am on the same boat, it is kinda funny (or maybe not) that whenever I get some spare time where I plan to sit down and really play DCS, life and work kicks me in the rear end. And that kick hits hardest when I click the Buy button for a module I really want to get.

@Slagenthor35

2 ай бұрын

Same here. One day I'm going to find a reason to want to learn this plane. I have no regrets. So far!

@tmo_117

2 ай бұрын

@@MrHrannsi so true imma get the F-4 my favorite plane and still not have enough time to learn both seats for my friend

@Bullet4MyEnemy

2 ай бұрын

I’m the same, it’s more the time than the cost; I bought the Strike Eagle on release but I’ve hopped into it maybe 3 times - I actually forgot I had it until reading comments on here. But I don’t regret buying it because £60 or whatever it cost isn’t that much, really - and I’m sure I will eventually get around to it, by which point it’ll be nearer completion anyway. Plus I don’t mind supporting Razbam as I’ve always been a huge fan of the Mirage 2000, and I want the Flogger sooner 😅

@tmo_117

2 ай бұрын

@@Bullet4MyEnemy yeah it’s that, I put money into the game so I’m satisfied with just supporting the game knowing that when I’m in the mood and have time I can hop into any of the many modules I have lol

Avoid buyers remorse by buying the Hip and joining HipGang. Shrimple.

@ilovetomcats

2 ай бұрын

#UH-1My1AndOnly

@NOTJustANomad

2 ай бұрын

haha man you are the biggest HIPPY-lover! :s

@ryu1940

2 ай бұрын

@@ilovetomcats have you tried the Hip?

@ryu1940

2 ай бұрын

@@NOTJustANomad it’s a really fun module especially on Enigma’s server!

@foobar201

2 ай бұрын

Hip hip hooray!

Standards, to include a feature roadmap, would significantly help in this regard. The F1 is one of my favorites, but the lack of communication on RADAR modeling and the M variant has made me wish I had waited a bit longer.

The "what level of completion and standards means early access vs. full release?" is an interesting question. Overall DCS does suffer a lot from ED's lack of ability or interest in setting up some basic standards. Related is the lack of standardization overall. It's insane there isn't some fairly well developed standard radar sim that devs (including ED) can tweak/ use while they perfect a specific model.

Over the years I bought a module or two every sale, and stayed home a couple times instead of going out to essentially pay for the new toys. The Yak-52 I've spent 2 hours in? The $20 would have just been a few beers and a burger instead. That also makes early access easy to deal with - I already paid, I get to decide if I want to invest serious time in a new plane or wait until certain features are finished.

I regret buying "Modern Romance" by Aziz Ansari.

@rjteeter

27 күн бұрын

lol

I just wish ED would fix the ability to lean your head outside the cockpit when canopy is closed, especially in VR.

@NOTJustANomad

2 ай бұрын

not "especially in VR". it's a VR-only problem. and it is both immersion breaking as well as unfair for competitive dogfights.

@ACG_Jaydog

2 ай бұрын

@NOTJustANomad I'm in agreement 2000% percent. I fly only in VR and it happens to me all the time. Not intentionally, but because in VR it's a manual work out and you are twisting and turning like you would in real life and not having that restriction is a real immersion killer. The 2D boys don't understand it because you don't have to turn your head at all hardly to check your 6

@mzaite

2 ай бұрын

RIO cockpit in the 14 is terrible for this.

@Topper_Harley68

2 ай бұрын

I sit in a racing seat so i cant do that. If i should do pvp it would be better for me to use trackir but since i will only fly vr pvp is not an option for me.

@talon2577

Ай бұрын

NOOOOO do not do this! or if they do it needs to be togglable, I fly vertical reference in helicopters on dcs and it is only possible because I'm able to go outside of the cockpit.

I want to clarify my 2nd point regarding Early Access because on watching this a second time, I feel like I did not 'land the plane' on the point entirely. The point of this video is not to dissuade people but rather to just inform people that the increase in choice can be immediately perceived as a good thing but it can make you feel like you did not make the best choice when you select a thing to purchase. EA is one of these hot topics where people can feel burned, as it may take a long time to finish so I thought it was prudent to mention as people should feel good about what they buy and in the end, it may just really be a reflection of how expansive the game is getting in terms of module selection

@conan670431

2 ай бұрын

It is not expencive if you buy a module or map on sale and take your time to learn it ans use it properly ...... folks are buyng a bulk of jets and choppers only to find out they cannot gain knowledge on all those in short period of time and than get frustrated about it .... I know folks with 10-15+ modules that only fly like 2-3 and the rest are just there....... Folks cannot understand the complexity of it and why you need one module to focus on before moving into the next one

@rwhunt99

2 ай бұрын

I think there is two categories or even more. You have the newby first timers wanting to try a flight sim for the first time, there are those that had done flight sims years ago and want to get back into it, and there's those avid simmers who hang on every word/promise about upcoming modules as they seek to satisfy their love of the game.

@larspanky

2 ай бұрын

I think the essence of that point got across.

@rwhunt99

2 ай бұрын

@@conan670431Also, they forget real pilots only fly one and they spend a lot of time training with just the one.

@sloppydog4831

Ай бұрын

After the ED/Razbam debacle, no more pre order or launch buys for me. Only when the module is mature enough, I'll buy another one.

From personal Experince the chart with the F-14, F-18 and F-16 is in correct in regards to the hornet. All the red items for the hornet were available at the release of the F-16, although no telling how many times ED has changed the logic and in game use of them. They only Item on the list for the F-18 that is not "complete" (using that real loosely) is the CM's the flare count has been off since day one and Matt, Norm, BN etc have all acknowledged it but changing the number of digitally coded things another digitally coded thing is apparently up there with moving mountains and world peace.

I got the hardest buyers remorse from the f-15e and thats the only one. Smth abt it. Like I had the f-18, f-16, and a-10. But I wanted a rly good dedicated heavy strike deep pen aircraft, only to find it was arguably more fun to do that with the hornet. Only time I’ve had fun with it was flying two ship where we both had WSOs. That was SUPER fun, like f-14 multicrew on steroids, but other than that, it’s been boring.

I love that of all the DCS KZread content creators yours is the most thought provoking and I'm an avid follower despite being 99.8% single player. I disagree slightly with point #1, I'd narrow it down slightly to what type module do your friends who like *flying the same mission types* like. My friends who I fly with love the Viggen and Mud Hen; they love deep strikes, but I love self-escort air assaults in the Hind. And sadly none of my friends love the L-39 the way I do. You're an arts guy, so I would say individual module preference is like musical tastes--you and your girlfriend or best friends might mesh really well with values and temperament, but might have radically different musical tastes. I can get better music/module advice from a stranger on the Internet than the people I love spending the most time with. For ragrets, I'd say the South Atlantic map. Not because of the (lagging but improving) quality, but lack of content. I decided not to buy any more maps until there is a server or single player content (eg campaign or Pretense or Variable style mission) that requires it. OTOH I kinda want Sinai after seeing the street level detail in your video. Keep up the great work, Ligma!

@Enigma89

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the thoughtful and kind response

@therocinante3443

2 ай бұрын

Sinai is a super nice map... that no server uses.

Sorry for the wall of text. TL:DR, had an instant regret moment with some mods, changed my mind a few days later I purchased a set of FC3 aircraft, particularly Su-27, MiG-29 and F-15 while on discount. A year later, FC3 as a package got a 50% discount, so I got the upgrade. This subsequent purchase got me the case of buyers remorse at the beginning, since the package jumbled up my missions, the planes did not come with adequate training materials, some of the stuff I got used to, like MiG-29 wallpaper disappeared, and my controls got defaulted. This all happened after I started getting into the A-4E-C and T-45 mods, so I just felt angry at myself for "wasting money". But a few days later I landed my Su-33 on the Admiral Kuznetsov and changed my mind. Now, although I don't understand the mechanism behind buyers' remorse, I do understand that sometimes your hobby won't instantly give you the satisfaction you're looking to squeeze out of it. EDIT: I'm running my game on an obsolete PC, so MP is out of the question. The rig has troubles running full fidelity mods at a satisfactory framerate even in solo missions. I mostly fly just for the love of flying and aerobatics.

@slowhornet4802

Ай бұрын

You can try to launch missions from multiplayer server. Not sure if it is still a thing, but launching a dedicated server was improving frame rates for me. However, now that I wrote this: I think it was pre multi-threading implementation. Maybe now it will not do anything good?

@PsiCommando

Ай бұрын

@@slowhornet4802 It won't hurt to try. Thanks for the heads-up! o7

This is such a great topic! Thanks for looking into it. My tip to avoiding buyers regret is to avoid buying anything until you have a PC that can handle the ecosystem to a level you are satisfied with! I have stopped buying anything for the moment (or even flying) until this criterion is satisfied. This is not sour grapes just a practical observation.

You really nailed the multiplayer point. I played for about 1 year solo before jumping into multiplayer. My learning rate accelerated dramatically as did my enjoyment of flying in DCS. I learned more in 2 months of flying multiplayer with experienced sim pilots (and even some real pilots!) than I did in the previous year learning on my own. Community makes it so much better.

Dear Sir, this is a very useful and well researched video. Spot on. Many thanks as always for your support: Kind regards, Nick

Love that you made a spreadsheet showing the sales! If there is a new module coming out for an icon plane I love I'll buy it. Otherwise I just wait until a sale. But frankly I have a backlog of modules I need to learn

In reguards to Steam, alot of Steam users think that they will lose all their purchases if they move to Standalone. ED should communicate this alot better on their front page that you can move your purchases from Steam to standalone.

Just trial any module before you buy, if not sure, wait 6 months trial again. The only module i have a Slight remorse from buying is the KA-50 but considering it was my first module and i didnt have rudder pedals at the time, I did fly it a lot back then, but now 80% of my time is MF1 and Gazelle, As long as you Trial before buy, its very unlikely remorse will be a thing. Also Steam has 2 hours refund policy for any DLC that includes DCS so that was how I "trialed" the MF1, I loved it after 50min, but if i didn't the refund was an option.

Ways that I have found to avoid buyers remorse: Use the 2 week free trials. Sure, they aren't available for all modules, but it has kept me from buying things I didn't love. Watch a bunch of videos on KZread of people flying the aircraft. Gives you an idea of how niche the module is, how difficult the controls are, etc. Only buy modules that are on sale. If things don't hit the sale, it's likely because they are new and not fleshed out anyhow. Lastly, only buy modules that get you excited. If you're excited to fly the module, it helps get you motivated to get good with it. It does make me a little salty that the F1CE doesn't have a radar missile in ecw, since I prefer to fly the f1 over the mig21

@gridtac2911

27 күн бұрын

This wasn't always a thing... I bought 80% of my modules without being able to try them first

Good video and some very good points, more light definitely needs to be shined on the lack of a real "standard" for modules. I personally have felt some buyers regret when i got the harrier, when it first came out, its a lot better now but it definitely burned me.

Quite an insightful and interesting expose. Keep up the good work 👍

hey, I have buyers remorse mostly when I buy and realise I don't have time to fly it, or the instruction/training videos are unfinished or buggy, which further impacts my time to fly.

video summary: 1. buy a module based on who you can fly it with. at least take it into account. 2. be careful with early access/pre-orders. 3. buy on sale. to me personally I will always trial a module, sometimes even twice to give myself time to consider if it's worth it. by having a 6 month period, you get to re-visit the idea of purchasing multiple times. and each time it will make you consider more aspects of the module and learn more about it + what you are likely going to do with it. Out of all the modules I have, the only thing I bought without a trial was the Mi-24P because I know I love its quirks and it has a decent reputation amongst its fliers. the two modules on my current considering-to-buy list are the JF-17 and the Gazelle. so far I haven't had much of buyers remorse, if at all, with the modules I have bought: Viggen, MiG-21bis, Mi-24P, Su-27, F-15C, Su-25, Supercarrier, Syria, Persian Gulf. If I have to name two modules that I haven't got the chance to use much, it is the Supercarrier and Persian Gulf. The former due to me having neither the Tomcat nor the Hornet. The latter due to the lack of good servers running PG.

@ilovetomcats

2 ай бұрын

+1 for the Jeff, I love it. It’s basically the F-20 that we’ll never get, but more modern and Eastern. IMO Deka’s done a solid job with it and I’m looking forward to their J-8II.

@NOTJustANomad

2 ай бұрын

@@ilovetomcats contrary to popular belief, the JF-17 is more of a western plane in the inside. Deka even wrote it word to word in their manual: "Although you may have expected the JF-17 to be a so-called "red" aircraft, the fact is that this aircraft is an out-and-out "blue" aircraft from design concept to operation. If you want to experience the real "socialist flavor", look forward to our second module." on page 297 in the HOTAS section.

I felt burned by the MiG-21 back in 2013. The standard just wasn't there with the Ka-50 and A-10C (still isn't). But I've grown attached to it. On the topic of early access and standards, something funny I noticed is that between the modules listed on the main menu, there are about 7 different permutations of "Early Access": EA, WIP, Beta, beta, etc.

As a new player I got the C-101 because I thought it had pretty cool capabilities with the Sea Eagle anti-ship missile. Little did I know that its use is non-existent on MP and is not expected to be updated any time soon. What a waste.

Funny enough, I haven't had buyer's remorse but I have wondered why I bought it and that's Persian gulf map. I bought it on sale and then half a year later looked at it and realized I hadn't flown it once. I eventually did realize though that i bought it because it's the only map with a modern city with skyscrapers and fighting between those skyscrapers is a wholly different experience!

Great video, haven't seen enough people telling new players to wait for sales, I try my best every time a friend tries the game out to make sure they wait for the sales I feel like not enough content creators really hammer in just how often this stuff is on sale

One way to avoid buyer's remorse would be to make sure you enjoy picking up what DCS is putting down. By default, DCS comes with a non-clicking combat aircraft in the Su-25T, and a clickable non-combat aircraft in the TF-51. The free mod A-4 Skyhawk, being a clickable combat craft, fills in the blank quite nicely, and you can use it to tell if DCS' loop for using obscure and novel systems to get warheads on foreheads works for you or not, before you take the plunge into other modules. (Though admittedly I started with the Huey because I liked flying helicopters in ARMA, the Skyhawk was my first clickable plane, because I bounced off the Su-25T.) I only wish the Skyhawk had integrated training missions, although I suppose if a player doesn't like using, say, DCS Sport's Skyhawk tutorials or the kneeboard/manual to get a handle on the systems, they won't find the other planes very fun, and they'll find that out before *buying* the other planes.

Certainly there are some modules and maps that I don’t frequent too much but I wouldn’t say buyers remorse. It’s always good to have options. The way I look at it is that I’m encouraging these companies to support the hobby that I enjoy so much.

Great video. spot on with the content

@Enigma89

2 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

All your points are valid. Some modules have frustrating shortcomings, but I actually have no buyer's remorse for any aircraft. I buy only on sale, and I think the price for such a realistic simulation of a military aircraft is very fair in all cases. The F1 radar does look worrying though... The thing I do have some buyer's remorse over are maps. I don't get how they can be as or more expensive as the planes. A lot of them don't even look that good, and most buildings and static assets look like poop. The moment you go down low, you are teleported from 2024 to 2005. You are forced to buy them to play many campaigns and to have MP options. Normandy is the only map I think looks great and is worth the price. WWII asset pack should also just be free and come with DCS world. It was a pain to buy both a map, an asset pack, and a plane to get into WWII.

For me I look at buying modules like buying something else on the menu at your favorite restaurant. Because of the quality of the establishment you know the quality will likely be there but you are not always sure if it will appeal to your palette, only after sampling different menu items do you know where your tastes really lie. There are some new menu items I may hold off on until I feel they have the quality ironed out and others I should have probably read the Yelp reviews( I ordered the Gazelle in 2022) before ordering but by and large I don't regret my decisions.

Remorse: FC3... I've only ever used the F15 and A10A. Early Access: There should be a progress list actively updated and communicated on. Grinnelli should be the standard in this area. I think we all understand programing delays and that timelines can slide but look at Grinnelli's list of completed items and know what you are getting!

You should hone any skill at least once a week to maintain your skill level. Twice a week to improve. And three times a week to improve fast. It is just natural that module number 3+ will feel much worse value.

For me, I somewhat regret buying the Apache and the F15E, not bad modules just I don’t find them particularly fun and find myself gravitating back to the Hind or the F14/F1.

My buyer's regret over DCS is pretty minor, and I think it's because I've asked around in discord servers before actually getting my hands on modules. The modules that I own but have played the least are: the F-18, which I used to learn a lot about the core of DCS, and taught me that full modern wasn't something I liked. The F-16, which I used as another shot at full modern (probably a bit of buyer's remorse on that one). The Hip, because I usually just fly the Hind, but I know is a lot of fun and will be turning more attention to soon. The F-5, that I bought to understand a bit more but never planned on maining. The Viggen, which I got because a friend of mine loved it and never really took the time to fly. I think I regret very little of my many DCS purchases because each and every one of them has been fuelled by passion. I just really like DCS, and i've made a lot of good friends over it. Also, Electronic Arts and Ubisoft did me a solid when I was 12-13 by releasing games that really dissapointed me and vaccinated me from preordering. Now, I tend to buy soon after release (backing myself with whatever feedback I can get) rather than preorder.

I actually have a higher tolerance for early access missing features than what I have for “finished” modules that carry known bugs for 8 years (many of the warbirds have these) to favor new modules with new money injection. ED favors grabbing new purchases while pissing off existing customers by neglecting older modules.

I could go on about stuff I regret buying, but instead I'll just say, I absolutely do NOT regret buying the Hind, even when its frustrating its fun.

My buyers regret is found with the South Atlantic map. I chalk it up to early access and not be to the standard found in other maps. It also seems to be a map that people bought and seldom play within my circle of gameplay. Too much water and not enough quality airfields with enough parking for larger server play seems another issue. I wish I never spent the money with the South Atlantic. Early access is a real problem and one that creates the most buyers remorse for me.

What do you think about heatblur selling the naval and Air Force F4 module separately. While the F1 gives you multiple variants for the price of one.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

2 ай бұрын

Have they said they’re doing this?

@therocinante3443

2 ай бұрын

Ew... They're really doing that?

Honestly, I have buyers remorse for every module not featured on ECW. I play other servers too to play those modules, but I don't enjoy them as much whenever you just have 1-2 hours of free time. I want to love the AH64, but I don't enjoy it in a fox1 setting every server has where it is allowed. Same for M2000. I love it, but wish I could do fox 2 and gun fights with her. I have 100% remorse of the F18 and F16. 50% remorse for F14, M2000 25% remorse for the Ah64 (still hoping I'll find a place to enjoy her) And there is the normandy +WW2 asset etc. WW2 is fun but not worth all that money in the current DCS WW2 setting

@NOTJustANomad

2 ай бұрын

50% for the F-14? why? (genuine curious question. I am planning on getting the Tomcat. wanna know your experience with it.)

@MorgothNL

2 ай бұрын

@@NOTJustANomad It is tied to the rest of my comment. I don't like fox1 settings and hate fox 3 settings. The F14 is a cool aircraft to fly but I don't like the jetplay on the servers she in on in MP (Fox1/Fox3). The most fun I've had with her is in practice Fox2+guns dogfights with friends. Also, I hate jester to the core. The times he misidentifies my locked target as 'friendly' while it is enemy, getting me killed, are just too often. I understand he should not be perfect, but as a player in the back the IFF takes 1 second and is 100% accurate. No need for jester to take 5 sec and misidentify

@vracan

2 ай бұрын

same here hate modern pushbutton remote-viewing combat. The real fun is in close combat!

@Why485

2 ай бұрын

Finally I've found proof the audience my hypothetical server built around modern jets but only heaters and guns for air to air combat, and dumb bombs/rockets for air to ground, exists.

@koen7906

2 ай бұрын

@@Why485you'd have to balance the Redfor heaters (basically better than fox 1) and 9X can't be part of it either. Rear and side aspect only like the 9P3 as best

Thanks for the Video!

Got a few too many modules myself, the only regret I have is the HAWK as it was dropped and abandoned... basically turned into money out the window. The rest, even if I don't frequently fly, I do enjoy. (A10 and KA50 are on the HAWK's list slightly, as they are greedily trying to rip off more money for an update on the module, but at least I can still access their older versions if I so choose to do so.

I have almost every module and buy everything via Steam for personal reasons. I don't try to learn everyone like the back of my hand, but like to at least be able to operate it enough to be effective.

I have almost literally every jet plane in DCS (the P-51, the Yak-52, the Ka-50, the UH-1 and Mi-8 are outliers I have purchased - and though I've barely used them , helos especially, I do no regret purchasing them)... I also have almost all the maps. I'm not a helo guy, so aside from the ones I mentioned above I don't buy helos. Obviously, I don't have time to fly all of the modules I own - so I generally choose one for a period of time to focus on. Sometimes my focus changes quickly, other times it does not. For example, I've been focusing on the Mirage F1 since it more or less came out, continuing today. In that same period of time, the F-15E came out - I pre-ordered it even. Yet I have not even sat in the cockpit and bound the controls for it yet... The F-4 is due to release in EA shortly... I may switch to the Phantom from the Mirage F1 when that occurs - further pushing back my attention toward the F-15E. Add to that the fact that SEAD is my preferred mission profile (and the F-16 is my preferred platform for that mission). The only real way to avoid "buyer's remorse" is not to ask the community what they think is the best - and get the plane you like, based on what's available. You also don't need to be every module (including maps). Some servers may require you to have certain modules, true, but unless you really REALLY want to be on that server - those purchases are optional. Every plane you buy in DCS, you must WANT to buy - because YOU want to buy it, not because someone you don't know online told you to.

I only regret keeping buy modules. That seem will never be fully complete if they keep piling on more not complete modules. Super carrier is a perfect example of this. Super carrier has no flight model. But in development for what 5 years? New features added to modules have yet to get updated training missions. Which is why I will take a pause on buy products until I see things being wrapped up.

@Enigma89

2 ай бұрын

I forgot about super carrier😳that could have been a good example for the video

@parab225

2 ай бұрын

​​​@@Enigma89a lot of people including ED have forgotten about the Super Carrier. 😂

@Enigma89

2 ай бұрын

@parab225 😳

@mzaite

2 ай бұрын

@@Enigma89Super Carrier is the absolute worst offender behind Combined Arms.

Buyer's guide, buy fc3, look after red or blue coalition which u like more, then naturally pick cold war plane just to play it on enigma's cold war. And also pick it with ur hear, i like the viggen, my pick is viggen

The Harrier got me, I was so excited for it and started learning it as soon as it released. I was getting pretty good and then we got a major update and everything changed, turns out all the avionics where wrong on release and everything I had learnt wasn't how it worked anymore. I haven't played it in years because of that wasted time investment. If you are going to release a module with incomplete avionics that's fine, just don't change how they fundamentally work. The F/A-18 is a good example of it done right, no major changes just blank pages being populated with updates.

@slowhornet4802

Ай бұрын

Actually, what happened to the DCS Harrier is not unrealistic. I think real life Harrier at one point got a better targeting pod but the software of the MFD had not been updated. So the button descriptions were wrong on top of the changes to the pilot's muscle memory. But I understand the pain. I got back to the Harrier after reading some books about it.

Difficult to tell, but other than the Hawk (Which was at least seriously on sale) maybe the Strike Eagle. I really like air to ground stuff but I find the loadouts a little restrictive; also I haven't had a huge amount of time for DCS lately so I haven't been able to put much time on it. Super deep computer button pushing is getting less fun for me now. I get it'll be really useful for some deep penetration strikes you don't have ARMs and stuff. honestly unless you need to kill planes or fly a million miles the harrier just works better for me. I suspect een the F-4 is going to be more fun for me tbh.

My Buyers Remorse story for DCS is 2 fold. for one i have way to many modules and i cant keep up with all of them. I generaly just fly the same 3 or 4 modules and rarely if ever touch the others so forget procedures and dont want to relearn those modules. Secondly Dumb decissions to buy modules i was never fully invested in, without testing them first (2 week trial could be a life safer there). I wish they would bring Module trading back because i would instantly get rid of 2 or 3 aircraft i never fly. For now they are collecting dust in the hangar. Another issue i have is when you get a early acces module and they add or revamp procedures while i am taking a break from said module. It changes so much that it feels like i dont know the jet i previously knew inside out anymore.

I bought the South Atlantic map when I first started DCS only to find out it basically unsupported by and module except the F1. I’d rather not fly over desert maps all the time was my rationale but was too new to understand how DCS works. A campaign mode is severely needed. Also, the few campaigns I’ve bought do not function correctly and it kind of kills them from being playable. At least everything I’ve ever purchased has been on “sale”.

Got to be AV-8, L-39 and MIG-21 and have not really touched them since. Happy with my helos

awesome!!

A lot of folks do something crazy like watching DCS on youtube for an year and than go ahead and but modules , maps and stuff for 300-500 buckd only to find out it is not WarThunder and each module requires months of learning and practice before you can be good enough to use it properly ...... Many will buy those expencive ones and will watch only vids onlite of how to fire some of the weapons and than will fly like complete idions hoping to score in the big PVP servers with no in dept knowledge of DCS or the module and get frustrated fast about it and about the money spent.......... So you buy a jet ..... than learn the damn thing befor buying another and enjoy it ...........

If you buy every single module then you can’t feel like you made the wrong choice. Problem solved.

I own most modules and I spend way too little time in DCS - at best I half-remember the controls of two of the easier modules. I regret nothing though, and hope to improve over time. Or go all-in on the F-4E once released, who knows...

All great insights. Here’s what I do. I keep my expectations low, that way I’m not disappointed. Early access means, incomplete and unfortunately that can be at different levels, so brace. Good point about standards, there should be a standard on how incomplete a module can be before it should be released. Finally, I can remember when games where always shipped complete. Then we got what was called buggy games that had to be patched. Then to early access, beta and even alpha versions being released for a fee. It’s been a decline to say the least. As for flight simulation, you either love it or you don’t. It’s like buying a Jeep Wrangler, a person knows they want it without test driving it, because they are different. I feel most flight simmers fit in that category. However, we are very technical and like perfection and that is the rub with half finished modules.

Whatever. I have been flying ED sims since 1995, exclusively. Been in mp scene for really long time and now having three kids I just quit. All that is being mentioned how incomplete mp always is especially regarding missiles and unfinished products... Omg we can write a history book about that. NOT ONLY ED. How long F-14 is now in EA? I fly a lot of payable campaigns and fun missions of my own design, because I can pause or stop at anytime and help in the house. I have completed campaigns on nearly every module. Can't wait for Save Game feature to return to ED sim. We used to have it back in the 90ties.

I have all the modules bar the Yak, pretty much all of them bought during sales, and the only one that I regret buying is the Christian Eagle because it's gash and pointless on DCS. Some planes I won't fly for months, but I don't regret buying them as it's always nice to go back to them occasionally

The only regret I had was my first purchase, I was really passionate about the Mig-21 but people told me it would be too hard for a beginner to try, I was convinced to try the Mirage 2000C instead. While it had some cool things I HATED that plane, it drove me crazy and funny enough, free trials came out like a couple weeks later, tried the MiG-21 and it was so lovely. I uninstalled the M2K and never looked back.

I've never flown anything other than the free mod A-4 Skyhawk, but with games I never preorder. I thought about writing a long bit about preorders and the issues with it, but the long and short of it is; be informed about your purchases. If you preorder, you can't be informed. I've never seen any preorder bonus or sell worth giving up the ability to make a informed purchase.

I hope that every other mod makers can match the delivery status of DIS. Especially RAZ

To this day, I have not paid full price for any module. And I have most of them. My biggest remorse comes from the F-16 - I just don't care for it. The Mirage F-1 - I just don't like flying it. It feels underwhelming in both AA and AG. And the Apache - The Apache is just so good at what it does, it doesn't even feel like a challenge. "Hey George, see that? Make it dead.... cool." Honestly, the most hours and fun I've had are in the Mig-21, it is finished, it is surprisingly good, and it just makes me smile. The Hind AND Hip are just too much fun. I have to flip a coin to decide which to fly. If you don't care about the guided missiles, go with the Hip. You can carry troops and many MANY explosion inducing items. It's a great multi use workhorse in ECW. The Hornet/Tomcat are just great. They can both give you fun carrier ops, air to air, and air to ground, and the Hornet radar actually works now. And lastly.... The F-86 Sabre. Yes, the Sabre. Is it useful? No. Not really. But, my God, does it feel great when you do get a kill in ECW. You go in knowing you're outmatched, even against helicopters. So it's a fun challenge to just try. Lastly, if you like AG stuff, the A-10C. SEAD/DEAD missions are a hair raising blast. You can do a lot of damage because you carry so much more ordinance than anyone else. But... it's slow. So keep that in mind.

I never buy dcs modules unless they're on sale personally. I agree completely about the F1 also. My biggest regret in dcs so far has been the Dora. I like it and all. However, it is bug infested. It's an old model too and it's a warbird. Warbirds are a niche within a niche game. So, I wonder when or even if the plane will be fixed. Some of the problems aren't even bugs. It's like they didn't bother to finish the plane.

i avoid giving money as long as they think it works as intended

@mzaite

2 ай бұрын

So you play only the SU and trainer P-51 on Caucuses?

I love Enigma, having the real discussions in DCS. I regret a lot of my DCS purchases but always lied to myself that I was supporting the devs by buying things even if I didnt fully intend flying it.

I just love flying planes, combat or not. Even if I don't fly some of them often, I like that I have them for when I'm in the mood. At least the free trials help you avoid buyer's remorse (and yes, it is misspelled in the title). 😉

I have most modules, and the only ones I truly regret are the two FW190s - the Dora and the Anton. The L-39 is another one - I practically never fly it and find no use for it in single or multiplayer mode. There are also planes that I rarely fly, but don't really regret purchasing - The Mirage M2000, the Yak-52, the JF-17 and the P-47. They are all fun to fly, quirky enough to keep me interested but, with so many other modules, they are all on the back-burner (actually I do have quite a few hours in the Jeff).

@algroyp3r

2 ай бұрын

Why the FW regret? Because it sucks compared to the competition? Or is the modelling bad in itself?

Hawk is the only one I've ever regretted purchasing now that the Gazelle has been fixed/improved.

Pretty much all my remorse if for buying terrains, but we're stuck in this situation where if you don't own at least syria your effectively locked out of a lot of servers half the time. It just sucks every time I'm playing with friends who don't have any other terrains knowing that I could be flying a different plane right now, but that money went to a big piece of land I can't even fly over without ditching them or making them each pay up for something basically worthless to them. ED really does need to offer terrain licenses to servers both because it's a painful money sink, and that everything other than syria and persian gulf are never even played in multiplayer because not enough people have them, so no servers run them, so even less people buy them. It's just one big terrible chicken and egg situation that hurts the entire player base. If nothing else terrains need a massive price reduction, because for most players the choice between a cool new plane to play with or some different dirt underneath them is a very easy one to make. If it was a case of you can get a good few terrains for that price it wouldn't be so bad, but $50 on sale and up to $70 normally is just a bad purchase.

Good to be laser focused on the F-16 but I am looking forward to the F-4E. With BMS hard to have buyers remorse with less than $10. No need to learn a dozen planes. I do need the RWR on the DCS to F-16 to get fixed ASAP.

I’m pooping rn

@NOTJustANomad

2 ай бұрын

happy pooping

@Lexus-fo3ey

2 ай бұрын

I hope ur not pooping anymore

I guess myself avoiding the last 2 big releases - F1 and F15E worked out,. I really didnt even know of issues with the F1 as people do reslly love it, as far as F15E i havent heard much bad things, maybe not all weapons being available and multicrew. Also i am glad i didnt go through the F16 teething and bought it at a better time...I did pre order F4 though 🎉

Bought the f16 as my first module this sale and tbh i love it but sadly got no friends on dcs

I bought almost everything and always with discount. So far, remorse only of L-39 and the helos. I don’t know if it is matter of proper setting them up, but landings usually end in disaster. I had other helicopter sims before and was easier and fun.

I want the JF17, but until there is a proper finished manual for it, I am not buying. Why does ED allow planes to be sold so incomplete?.

@christiannielsen8733

2 ай бұрын

Chuck’s Guide for the JF-17 is 488 pages. I used that to get through a whole DCS Liberation campaign without a problem. Sure, it’s not an official manual, but it gets the job done and the JF-17 is one of my favorite aircraft because it’s so intuitive to use its weapons and navigation systems.

@ericforster2970

2 ай бұрын

@@christiannielsen8733 The thing about an official manual is accountability: This is what the developer says about how the aircraft should function, so now you know if there's a bug. It also demonstrates that they're capable of putting a whole package together, not just stringing some code out on a shoelace budget. The Harrier looks fun (for example). I'm not sold on it when there's been no official manual for years. I need to know what it's supposed to do, not a third-party description of what it does.

@christiannielsen8733

2 ай бұрын

@@ericforster2970 Well, that’s your choice. I completely understand the issue of seemingly endless cycles of early access and the frustrations it brings. I’m with you on that. We all gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere and if lack of a manual is where you draw the line, then I’m not going to get in your way or tell you that you’re wrong. It’s just that I personally can’t use that as an argument because, frankly, I use Chuck’s guides 95% of the time, to the point where I either don’t buy or don’t get deeply into a module before he has a guide out. Also, I’m even more into MSFS2020 than DCS and it’s not uncommon for 3rd party MSFS aircraft to come with little to no manual. We’re talking fully released products at a price close or equal to DCS modules. It’s not a problem though since I just find and download the real world pilot’s operating handbook for that particular aircraft. Basically, the lack of an official manual isn’t what makes me see a product as incomplete and in the case of the JF-17, I reported a bug with the altimeter setting that could cause a hard crash of DCS and it was fixed in hours, so the devs must be listening. At the end of the day, it’s the core of DCS itself that I have the most issues with, not the individual modules. If one module is broken one day, I can just put it on the shelf and fly another one. I do that in MSFS all the time. What I can’t change is the core experience of DCS. Doesn’t matter if I fly the F-14, F-16 or JF-17. My wingman is still going to either kill himself or try to kill me during landing if still alive and not out of fuel at that point. Enemy AI will still try to counter missiles they shouldn’t be aware of, do UFO things, see through clouds and snipe me with a tank round. Weather is so primitive that it’s almost laughable. Spotting issues. FOV issues. No dynamic campaign. The list goes on. That’s where my real buyer’s remorse begins to set in. Getting into DCS to begin with. It’s really only because of MSFS that I feel that all the money I spent on hardware and peripherals wasn’t a complete waste. But that’s where I’m at currently. As an example, it’s not the state of the F1 mirage itself that is holding me back from buying it. It’s the state of DCS itself and the primary reason why I’m not going completely crazy over the F-4 being just around the corner. I’m still trying to convince myself that I should preorder it, which is sad, because we’re talking Heatblur here.

@Topper_Harley68

2 ай бұрын

Well i own almost all of the dcs modules and the JF-17 is on the top of my most liked modules. I don't think i have read one of the developers manuals cause i dont need to when you got chucks and youtube.

@Baltic_Dude

Ай бұрын

JF-17 is the best dogfighter in the game

"this is natural" this video feels like a dcs sex talk

I've had to catch myself from buying more modules because I know I won't spend the time to learn them and I honestly have a better time rotating through the ones I already own

I bought every module and I regret half of them. Notably, the WW2 and early cold war planes. I only fly either helos or ultra modern planes. Thankfully, we have the trial system now, but we always have to wait months to get it

Guessing you're not a helicopter guy because you didn't mention the Gazelle. It took 6 years to get a realistic flight model leaving many, many people disappointed. Not me though.

Is it possible to move my modules from Steam to standalone DCS? I'll gladly pay back the difference I deprived the developer of - but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on all modules from scratch. I know it was a mistake to start with Steam to begin with - but I did it at a time when I had no idea something like DCS standalone existed.

@algroyp3r

2 ай бұрын

Yes, just make an ED account, and in profile options you can bind your steam account to ED account. This just copies your steam licenses into standalone for free. This doesn't work the other way around.

Any Razbam module

Though I may not yet have a dog in the fight, I'd suspect any DCS purchase can be validated...think of it like Jane's back in the day...USNF, ATF, USNF97, F18, F15, WWII Fighters at an avg of 60.00ea which plane do you fly the most? I fell in love with USNF97 for the carrier and later WWII Fighters for the multiplayer...DCS gives you access to multiplayer community as well as an immersing environment. That said, would I "collect" every map and plane they have and will release...doubtful...why? Bc I know my hobby/ niche...a F-14, a carrier and a body of water...add some manned a/c of anytype, proper H.O.T.A.S w/ Rudders and a VR rig and the investment is sound and validated. Now to answer the "what's it all for" question...online contests/ competitions hosted by ex-military that actually understand the reasoning of why DCS has a community to begin with. Call it price/cost of admission but if you buy more than what you intend to fly, I suspect buyers remorse could be a thing...for the collectors it's a thing I suppose but for the ones that Know what they want, Why they want it then got out and get it. I haven't seen many disappointing factors other than internet bottle-necking that increases lag and decreases FPS. I wouldn't necessarily blame the simulator as much as detail settings, net connection and how many are in a particular server. Nothing says ya cannot have a LAN party. I only wish a F14 driver could pass along the module to prevent having to buy the module again to allow a human RIO to participate (in a LAN environment anyway) not everyone wants to drive and not everyone has wicked rigs but I'd say That is an investment one must weigh before pulling the trigger on any simulator purchase. Cheers!!

Honestly I couldn't care less about my Radar performance on Enigma CW. And for second: Isn't it a bit too dramatic? In the end MiG-21 is also not affected by ground clutter, and detects low flying objects better than F-15C in DCS. (I admit that the range is not there, but in case of choppers it does not matter) -MiG-21 I never used Radar, except R-3R use (immediately turned off after that) -F-5E: Radar never used on Enigma. It only warns the enemy plane -Mirage F-1. Same situation. No radar guided missiles - no point in turning on radar. What spoils my fun are rather disappearing contacts. One second his clearly visible, and vaporises in next one, without visible reason. I think that disappearing planes in game about planes is somehow bigger issue and somehow Enigma server seem to be more affected than others.

I got all the modules I wanted. I just regret buying the half-baked training aircraft. From all the announced modules I'll only buy Mig-23 and 29.

The last EA I bought was the F/A-18, now I only buy modules when they are on at least 50% discount! I want ED to know how much I detest EA, and the lack of standards and requirements for moving these modules to a finished state. I bought the AH-64 last year for 50% off! There you go ED!

Yes it did pissed me off not be able to fully use the F1

In reality, this applies to products in general, before thinking up to buy something, think how you would actually use it

I kind have that remorse feeling on the Apache. It is too realistic. If I compare back to the good old days of Jane's simulations: Longbow 2 or Enemy engaged (EECH) had all the relevant features (including fire zones etc), and a decent flight model, but the cockpit user interface was greatly simplified. You could focus on flying and applying tactics, rather than memorizing hundreds of keybindings. For the DCS Apache you would need ideally 3 Joysticks. Plus I miss the campaigns of EECH. I love most of the high fidelity modules, and it is great to see the differences between e.g. Mig-21 and F/A-18 or F-16. E.g. Mig-21 requires several buttons to be flipped to switch from IR to radar missiles versus one switch for the modern fighters. Dumbing this down would make the difference between these generations too small. But certain modules are just too complicated for me. E.g. Apache with regards to almost everything (though George is a great help to me), Mi-8 with regards to starting. Maybe the issue is just having too many modules: when they become too realistic and complex you could not master them any longer. Which is kind of realistic. That said, I am looking forward to the F-4, but I am not sure if I will really enjoy it. There is a reason why it required a GIB. I think I would enjoy the Starfighter much more.

@Baltic_Dude

Ай бұрын

Gayto NPC can't handle their best helicopter

The only DCS buyers remorse I have is... I bought the Gazelle

i agree with this video.. i like the dcs carrrie but it don't feel real yet I stop playing it after I bourgh it I kind of feel it was a wast of money since their been no updates

Honestly, I don't regret buying any of the modules or maps that I own. Now, there are ones that I fly more often than others, I do not regret buying the ones that I don't fly much. My lowest one is probably the Fw-190A8 but I don't regret buying it. I own all the helicopters but fly mostly the UH-1, Ka-50 III, and the AH-64D but I don't regret the Mi-8, Mi-24, and the Gazelle. As for those that don't like the Sinai map are they that don't know history very well. That map should be a GOD send for Cold War era combat as there was more warfare there in that time period than anywhere else in the world, and you can start off with WWII aircraft, move to Korean War era jets, then to Vietnam Era and finally all the way up to 1991 when the wall came down and beyond to modern times. It and the Syria map are the two most diverse maps that are currently out there. I don't do much WWII stuff and don't own any of the maps, but I do own the Fw-190A8, P-47, and Me-109 and the WWII Assests Pack but rarely use any of them. The only WWII plane I have not liked, and thus not bought, is the Mossie. I got it to trial, and I have disliked it each time, so I haven't pulled the trigger on it. As for the future, I am looking forward to the CH-47, C-130, Bo-105, PC-9, and the A-1, I'm just not into any of the jets that are coming up, including the much-vaunted F-4.

I avoid buyer remorse by accepting every penny I give helps development lol. I've bought modules I could care less about . Of the 13 I've bought I use 4.

What is the best redfor dogfighter for cold war

@Enigma89

2 ай бұрын

Overall MiG-21 most likely

@Baltic_Dude

Ай бұрын

MiG-23

@gridtac2911

27 күн бұрын

The ural

i am very selective with the stuff i buy in DCS, i currently own 6 FF modules (7 if u count the F4 pre order) i plan on capping myself at 10 modules as i want to be able to enjoy all of my modules equally and not just buy the cool new thing cuz its cool. if i had done that i would have like 15 modules by now.

Only buyers remorse I have in DCS is the Nevada Map. Everything else is fantastic and fun.

I regret everything I’ve bought in DCS except for the F-14. Especially the Super Carrier. 98% of the time, I’m flying Caucuses in the Tomcat. And If I’m very lucky, its in a server with the Forestal running Air Boss. Every thing else, planes, scenery, etc. never gets used. Or it gets used once for an event then never touched again. Looking at you online groups that demand x # of owned modules….