DCS: AH-64D | Target Sharing
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For all FCR datalink communications, it will initially be regarding multiplayer. Once the FCR and datalink are final, we’ll then add this for AI Primary members.
So, to start with, let’s get some FCR target data by doing a single scanburst. I’m also going to switch my TSD to Attack phase so that it displays all the targets that I detect, not just the 16 high priority targets and display shot symbols. Now that we have some targets, we can decide how we want to engage them. As seen in my earlier Fire Zones video, see card above, we can use fire zones to separate the battlefield into areas of responsibility for each flight member, so that we don’t waste missiles by shooting at the same target as our teammates.
Now, I can then send these FCR targets to my teammates so that when they unmask, they already know where to focus their sensors within their assigned zone. To do this, I’m going to send an FCR Target Report. I have the TSD on my right MPD, I press the Report, or RPT, button at T1, just as when I would send a Present Position or FARM report in my previous videos. I then press TGT, or Target, at button L2, and I am now presented with some options for what kind of Target report I send.
If I want to just send the 16 high-priority targets from my FCR page, I can select PRI. If I want to send all my FCR targets, I can select ALL. However, if I want to choose the targets I send in the Target report, I de-select PRI and ALL, and then I use my MPD cursor to select each individual target that I want to transmit. When I’m finished, I select the Primary member or members to send to and then press the Send button. Report sent.
I’m going to have one of my colleagues, Chaos 2, send me an FCR Target Report from his FCR. I get the notification on the EUFD along with a ring tone, and so I press the Receive, REC, button on the main TSD page, and then select the FCR Target Report to accept the data.
When I receive this target report, it overwrites all my FCR targets and only shows the targets I received. The FCR can only store one “snapshot” of the battlefield at any given time. So, if I were to do another FCR scan myself, I am now replacing the targets he sent me with a fresh FCR scan.
It’s important to understand that although the FCR Target Report allows you to send a lot of FCR targets to multiple Primary members simultaneously, it cannot be used for direct targeting of the aircraft’s weapons. The Target report could be used for reconnaissance data, to maintain situational awareness, or to cue other aircraft sensors to FCR target locations. “Chaos 2”, go ahead and send me another FCR Target Report.
Another way we can share targets is using the Radio Frequency Handoff, or RFHO, option on the FCR page. It is different from the FCR Target Report in that it sends a single FCR target to a single Primary member. However, the advantage of this type of message is it allows another AH-64D to directly engage that target without having line-of-sight on the target themselves.
Now that I have some targets, I can select which target I want to send to my teammate, Chaos 2, using the MPD cursor or the NTS button on the FCR page. I can then press RFHO button along the right side of the FCR page. A menu displays my available Primary members, and when I select one and press SEND, that single target designated as my Next-To-Shoot is then sent to my colleague in the other AH-64D.
I’ll now have him send an RFHO to me so we can see how this looks on the receiving end. There’s the notification of “RFHO” on the EUFD along with the ring tone. As with received Target Reports, I’ll press the Receive button on the TSD, select the RFHO message to accept it, and now you can see that all my FCR target data is replaced with the new data. However, this data only consists of a single target.
Once I’ve accepted the RFHO, the next step is to select FCR as my sight, even if I’m in an AH-64 without an FCR installed. This allows me to engage this target just as if I used my own FCR to detect it. I action my missiles, which automatically are set to RF type since my sight is now FCR. I make sure I am in launch constraints, and then I fire.
Although RFHOs are used to send a single target to a single Primary member, multiple RFHOs can be sent to each Primary member at any given time. I’ll do a new scan, find multiple targets out there, press RFHO, select my Primary member, and press SEND.
Each time I press the SEND button, the NTS diamond advances to the next target in my shoot list, just as if I were launching the missiles myself. By repeating this sequence in a rapid manner, I can start sending these targets to each aircraft in my flight as I see fit.
Now he’ll send me several RFHOs at once. I press Receive, accept the first RFHO, launch. Press Receive again, accept the next, launch again. And so on. As you can see, this makes several AH-64D’s an even more potent fighting force when just a single FCR aircraft is added to the flight.
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It's always wild seeing how advanced the systems are that are allowed to be modeled in game, and realizing things are probably more advanced in later models.
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Certainly. With the AH-64E, datalink had a significant upgrade with L16.
@aaronwhite1786
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner What kind of GoFundMe campaign are we looking at to get the government to allow access to that model too? I'll start it right now!
@norman191000
5 ай бұрын
young pilots with iphone and ipad habits must have a pain with all these '90s and early 2000's user interface...
@ComdrStew
5 ай бұрын
Apache is getting the Spike missile now with a 50km range, lol. So yeah a little more advanced. Remember what we have in game is 20+ year old technology. 20 years ago we were still using a regular flip phone.
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
A non-starter without public references.
Babe wake up, new wags video just dropped
@alpenjon
3 ай бұрын
Time to drop that old joke
"Hellfire away!" That brought back sweet memories, but what we have now is infinitely cooler. Can't wait for the "2024 and beyond" video.
Another very well explained and detailed introduction to target sharing in the Apache once again! Thanks wags!
My favorite aircraft in DCS. Been flying it since day one and it just keeps getting better. Great work to all involved and thanx for the videos Wags.
Thanks Wags, learning how to setup a dedicated server with Olympus. And now you send this. I guess work is going on the back burner so I can figure this out.
Love it. Used to fly two ship patrols over Gaza in DCS. This would've come in handy back then, but I'm too greedy with targets anyway.
Everytime you release a new video it is like christmas for me. Thanks for creating and sharing those great tutorials, Wags!
Thanks Wags, these videos are very helpful for our Apache squadron!
Thanks for all the work you put into these videos Wags!
I can't watch the video in full right now but I just wanted to say I love that thumbnail title.
Now it's time for the link function, that would allow us to quickly inspect NTS with TADS by automatically slaving TADS to the FCR NTS (without all the acquisition source mess).
This is an excellent tool for my lazy friends so they don't have to learn the FCR and use my data instead !!! Thanks a lot man keep up the good work :)
Why do I hear: Hello Moto after every ring? I must consult a doctor... Noice Video 🤗 Cannot wait to get back in the cockpit
Was already my favorite module, even more now.
Happy new year wags 🎉! My wife hasn't allowed me to get back to work yet and you're already posting videos!
seem super powerful I bet flying in a big formation would be so much fun
Hi Wags, when we can expect 2024 and beyond video? Btw great job with apache, it is lovely to fly!
@G3R3SkYwAlK3R
5 ай бұрын
Thats the only thing why i check KZread everyday now :D
@BIGNEWY
5 ай бұрын
Planned soon, we will let you all know once it is released dont worry. Best regards - Bignewy
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Not much longer.
Hmmm, looking forward to the improved ground asset logic being worked on as part of the dynamic campaign which will embellish the battlefield fluidity. Working in pairs or more could be a lot of fun crew coordination here.
@new_comment
4 ай бұрын
🤣 like that's gonna happen! WE CAN'T EVEN GET UPDATES WITH BUG FIXES ANYMORE!
Awesome stuff, appreciate you Wags!
Sick! Can't wait to try this out.
Good video wags!
Wow, I wish some other aircraft had this level of networking!
the fact you have your wingman sending you targets like that instantaneously tells me that the AI wingmen are being worked on like seriously??? these heli wingmen are basically just cannon fodder.
Thanks for this video Wags, but I’m anxiously awaiting the release of an official DCS “2024 and beyond” video. I keep pressing refresh in the hope that it will appear on my feed.
Everything perfect, just and inconvenient. The mission must have the win effect off if you want to be in the front seat, because George can't keep steady the heli like I do when I'm pilot. I dont know when ED going to fix that issue. It, s been reported a lot of times but ED dont listen about it. Please, ED take care of it make George more steady in hoover not matter wind speed come from because if I can do it, George can too.
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Sorry, but I'm not seeing that. Even in this video, there was a gross wind, and I'm not seeing George have an issue with it. No one is not listening; we just cannot reproduce it.
Nice....but more Nicer if some new stuff comes for the Hornet 😊😅
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
You can read the development items here. forum.dcs.world/topic/236553-dcs-fa-18c-features-roadmap-for-early-access/ When they are close to being ready, we'll certainly talk about them.
These features make for some great coordination with your wingmen! Now if I only could share target data with my fellow crew member that is sitting in the Apache with me... #MulticrewSync
Wow great video and update, but I wish my FCR picked up targets that fast
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
No difference than the one used in the video. Sounds more like a case of using the system correctly and understanding LOS limitations.
@Hotdognzz
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner Thanks for the reply
It’s cool seeing all this come together one question for wags thou I’ve noticed when using single scan from the pilot seat that the targets disappear off the fcr page after a minute or so am I missing some step to keep them on the page or is that normal
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
They are not disappearing, just faded due to excessive time since last scan. Normal.
Yes another Apache video
@Wags A tip for you when creating these videos, when you want to look and zoom in on a display, when you get the view like you want, then press the TrackIr pause button to steady the screen I know you are trying to keep your head still but the whole video frame is moving a little bit, hope this helps
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Thanks, but I prefer a more live camera look.
How about an apache zombie gunship lol. But anyway looking forward to trying this out!!!
First awesome vid!
This is a great feature! Matt please tell me, does this also apply to AI wingman or does it only work with another person?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
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I will never use this functionality as an offline player but it’s nice to have it modelled.
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
As mentioned at the start, it will come for AI as well.
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So did the BDA report your received get wiped when your FCR does another scan? The guys I fly with find the most difficult thing is when the FCR picks up dead targets. Especially in a battlezone with multiple working airframes, not just Apache's.
@NoNoNoNoYoureWrong
5 ай бұрын
Yeah, lots of hellfires on dead targets.
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
No, you can still see the SHOT markers after I did a scan.
Dear mat, in the past weekend i was able to use the radar and i shot 8 tanks with it 8 kills, really awsom that is the power of the appache! can you explain a little about the radar elevation? because sometimes targets tight in front of me they dont show up on the radar?
This might be a crazy question to ask but how did you get all this stuff on the FCR and how it functions, ect? I would think the Army would want to keep stuff like this classified? Does the info come from publicly available docs or what? thx
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
All based on public documents.
One thing that I think is lacking in DCS at the moment is extensive documentation on how to set up and interact with an AI JTAC on the ground. Various videos have touched on different aspects, but nothing has really covered ALL aspects of it as far s I know. If you have the time, I would like to see you do a video on the AI JTAC.
So how does accuracy of the missiles vary when sent between aircraft with/without the FCR? Is there a higher probability the missile will go active and pick up a random target in the vicinity if fired from a non-fcr equipped helo?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
No difference.
Wags, if I send my TGT ALL to a wingman, does he receive the NTS as well or only the display of the detected targets? In other words, what's the process for him to engage those targets?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
No, not with a Target Report, but yes with an RFHO.
Hey wags any chance that we will one day get a F-18 D model hornet or a D model viper?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
No plans at this time, we'd first like to complete existing versions.
Hey wags, regarding the RFHO function, is it necessary, that the receiving Apache has a FCR?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
No, this is explained specifically in the video. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nG1oprOfnpe2lbw.htmlsi=-zuEuJ0e3UzVFONq&t=360
@martwint6
5 ай бұрын
Thank you.😅@@MattWagner
Did I see you give a voice command to your ai wingman. Does that mean dcs will be getting native voice command support similar to voice attack and Viacom pro?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
As mentioned in the video, it is only MP for now. Once FCR and DL are done, we can add AI control.
@jasonross5125
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagnerwill you be adding voice commands similar to what can be done using voice attach and Viacom pro?
@commiccannon592
5 ай бұрын
@jasonross5125 pretty sure the wingman is another human pilot
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Yes, as stated at the very start in the introduction, this is ONLY multiplayer until the FCR and DL are completed.
@MattWagner I could not get the radar hellfire to fire whilst not having a FCR myself. you quote that the wingman can fire without one but in the video the wingman has an FCR. Without an FCR the pilot in the apache cannot select the FCR sight select switch it doesnt respond and its disabled. I had my friend on a multiplayer server send me a RFHO and when i turned the FCR off i could not select Hellfire Lima but with it on I can
Just a question Wags, Is there a way to send all the target data to the wingman using the RFHO function? or dose this have to be done one at a time?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Assuming you meant RFHO, it must be done one-at-a-time. If you wish to do a large group like Pri Targets, use a Target Report.
@JesseJames38
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner Yes i mean RFHO, When using target reports, would a non FCR AH-64 be able to ripple off radar guided hellfires without the use the tads/laser combination? such as being masked behind a hill? Thanks again.
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Yes, just like in the video. Recipient FCR is not required as mentioned in the video.
I remember you mentioning that multicrew FCR use isnt synchronous yet. Is this coming soon?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Probably after the other FCR modes are done.
Are you using voice attack or is this built in?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
As mentioned in the video, it is only for MP until the FCR and DL work is complete.
@mcdjay
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner Ah ok i caught something about that, probably should have watched again. cheers and thanks for all the hard work.
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Will there be no DCS World and Beyond video for this year?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
It's coming soon. They traditionally come in early January.
Happy birthday to me, Wagner.
Hey wags, is it possible to map my oculus touch position 1:1 on the cyclic? I’ve been messing with the files but can’t find how to change the curve. It’s the only module I have this issue with
So is are target reports only for FCR targets. You cant send normal system target points via DL?
Hey wags are you the guys who voices the training missions voice lines?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Some of the older ones, yes.
@ghostiewhostie238
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner thought I knew that voice from somewhere! You were a large part of me growing up trying to Learn the game
Any plans for optimising VR performance in the Apache?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
We continue to improve VR performance for all aircraft.
@matts2758
5 ай бұрын
appreciate the response. really loving DCS with the Quest 3!@@MattWagner
How did you make that box ?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
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is this in the current beta release or coming in the future
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
In current OB. Unless there is a "coming soon" in the title, it is available at least in the current OB.
Hi guys is the FCR update out yet? I tried it in instant action but does not seem to be live.
@ChrisPBacon-my7yt
5 ай бұрын
You running open beta?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
The mission you flew may not have an FCR installed yet.
@aravindvenk
5 ай бұрын
@ChrisPBacon-my7yt No mate just the standard world
@aravindvenk
5 ай бұрын
@MattWagner oh so some missions may not have it?
eagle dynamics i have been having issues on start up on dcs version 2.9 when runing it on vr headset it will start up normally in 2d but crashes almost imediatly when in vr can u guys help me pls everyting was alright until a few days ago any clew?
This is kinda cool, but the thing that makes it kinda lame is the time and effort it takes to setup and hand over tgts... The fcr can p much only lock on to things up to 5km, unless its moving. No way would you take the time to set all this up if your dealing with like sa-8 or p much any AA that has missiles :\
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
6 km for static targets, and certainly works well for real world AH-64 crews. More about skill in using the system and understanding that going after longer-range SAM systems is not a great idea.
@69shadesofyeezeezs47
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner Understandable, I just get so excited sometimes I just shoot my whole load the second something good shows up on screen, and that can cause some confusion between my partner and I :(
Still can't detect target in flat areas, tested Caucaso and Persian gulf and Syria. 4 tgt and only one ore two detected. Try different altitude and manual elevation. Fcr powered up.. Dcs beta steam version
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Sorry, but no such issues here. Please post a track file to our forum such that we can review and determine where you are going wrong.
@slash11985
5 ай бұрын
@@MattWagner I will
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Hello, there is no "2024 and beyond"?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
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But Wags, when is 2024 and beyond?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Quite soon.
So since the CEO of ED has said that MSFS isn't realistic enough, and that only highly realistic high fidelity aircraft will make it through testing, why 11 years later do we still not have the Cyclic Trim Beeper Switch in the UH-1? The Mi-24 has it. This has always been a glaring oversight to me as one that flew and worked on the Huey in the US Army I've always wondered why that wasn't included and still hasn't been fixed 10 years later.
Where's 2024 and beyond? plz? and where are our f14-D?
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
It will be released in early January, as it is often.
@jsimaoneto
5 ай бұрын
AWESOMEEEEE !!!!!!! f14-D early Jan!?!? THANKS!!!! @@MattWagner
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Clearly, I am talking about the video. I do not speak on behalf of our partners.
@jsimaoneto
5 ай бұрын
I was just kidding@@MattWagner
lol this drops but beyond 2024 hasn’t 😂
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Maybe appreciate another training video?
@T-Cup314
5 ай бұрын
Always Wags, Not my cuppa tea the AH-64D. Appreciate it none the less , I just expected to see beyond 2024 like most DCS players.@@MattWagner
No 2024 and beyond video? Let's hear the excuses....send it!
@MattWagner
5 ай бұрын
Not really sure what you mean by "excuses". As if often the case, this video is released in early January. That will be the same for this year.