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In this DCS: AH-64D video, we’ll dig into use of the Area Weapon System, or AWS. The AWS consists of the M230E1 30mm chain gun that is mounted under the chin of the helicopter. The official rate of fire is 625 +/- 25 rounds per minute, but this is most often reduced in the field. The gun can transverse 86-degrees left and right, and it can elevate 9-degrees up when within +/- 10 degrees of the aircraft centerline and 11-degrees when outside of +/- 10 degrees of the aircraft centerline. It can traverse down up to 60-degrees.
Ammunition types include the M789 High-Explosive Dual Purpose and the M788 practice round. At early access release, the Robbie fuel tank will always be installed, and this results in a maximum gun load of 300 rounds. Later, after Early Access release, we plan to make the Robbie tank optional. This would allow a maximum gun load of 1,200 rounds. The software-supported maximum range is 4,200 meters.
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This will be insane in VR ... so looking forward to fly the apache!
@BlacKrait
2 жыл бұрын
Yeah with this AI is just a target practice. Good looking cockpit yes but immersion wise is just empty unfortunately.
@alexsp7086
2 жыл бұрын
yeah more like insane rubbish frame rates in vr :))
@alcmann
2 жыл бұрын
I just hope it’s smooth in VR. That’s a lot of screens to render including front and back simultaneously
@alcmann
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbertZiegler069 agreed great idea !
@skatterpro
2 жыл бұрын
@@AlbertZiegler069 Wait for vulkan. DCS main problem is resource management and lack of proper multi-threading.
The two most iconic gun sounds: 1. A-10 brrt 2. Apache thump thump thump
@2ndmarinedivisionmilsim363
2 жыл бұрын
It’s more of a GATATATATATATATATATATATATATA
@OperatorPuski
2 жыл бұрын
the Hind is pretty cool sounding too
@williewilson2250
2 жыл бұрын
It's putting a hot kernel in a can and having it pop but at 750ish rpm (I'm dumb it's 625)
It look's better and better every time, can't wait to fly this out. Thank you
For those of you wondering, the "Robbie Tank" is a small, self-sealing, fire-proof fuel tank situated directly behind the ammunition compartment. When removed it allows for auxiliary ammunition to be loaded.
@roostercogburn3272
2 жыл бұрын
I scrolled down, specifically hoping someone had answered that question.
@BMP0341
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@chadpendleberry8663
2 жыл бұрын
Not quite accurate. A Robertson (aka Robbie) tank is an auxiliary combo-pack that holds additional fuel and ammunition. You can't just remove the fuel portion of a Robbie. You'd have to swap it out for a dedicated fuel pack or ammo mag.
@doubleugly1594
2 жыл бұрын
@@chadpendleberry8663 awesome, thanks for the clarification. I've only encountered them as a product in civilian roles
Awesome job with this module Wags and I honestly believe it will be your finest and most purchased of them all, such is the sheer admiration we all have for this Heli and the sheer quality of the work done. You and your team's efforts will be thoroughly rewarded - I have no doubt. Bravo - O7
sound designers at eagle dynamics are the best. no other flight sims comes close or game studio comes close to the sound quality of ED. bravo
@joejoe2658
2 жыл бұрын
EA were voted worst company in the USA. bravo.
@LetsplayIndieGamesChannel
2 жыл бұрын
@@joejoe2658 i meant ED , Eagle Dynamics. Obviously NOT electronic arts LoL
@marekgrzejszczak2901
2 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt say any game studio come close to ED. There are plenty games with excelent sound design.
@LetsplayIndieGamesChannel
2 жыл бұрын
@@marekgrzejszczak2901 yeah, not saying there aren't good sound designing Studios But fly by sounds alone, nobody does them better
@adamheene5616
2 жыл бұрын
@@marekgrzejszczak2901 like squad
I cannot express how happy it makes me to see someone do this weapon justice.
Ya know, it never ceases to amaze me how people just can’t resist the urge to ask the question that we already know Wags isn’t going to answer. When… are we going to realize that this project is critical to the future of DCS and every module that comes after it’s release? It’s literally setting a new precedence in realism for pc simulation. On another note, check out the improvements in FLIR picture from the TADS. Not everything is hot anymore and there is distinguishable “color” variation between warmer and cooler objects. Excellent job ED. Bring the 64 at pilots discretion. We’re patiently waiting.
@getsideways7257
2 жыл бұрын
So let them not release it for another five years to absolutely make sure?
@jasbonkers520
2 жыл бұрын
@@getsideways7257 We dont want the bf2042 experience bud.
@shagrat47
2 жыл бұрын
@@getsideways7257 when it's ready... and you may have missed it, but there is a pandemic on this planet that actually doesn't stop for DCS release schedules, or at borders. It has slowed or negatively affected mostly every business on this planet, other than medical mask production.
@csdigitaldesign
2 жыл бұрын
@@bronco5334 stop acting so entitled and like you understand how difficult it is or isn't to be a software developer trying to make a very complex thing. Also based your assumptions with Star Citizen I can tell you put literally no effort into researching things so that says a lot. Just wait patently like the rest of us and know it will be released soon and enjoy the extra miles they gave us for being late. I mean the alternative could of been a buggy mess. They had good reasons I'm sure.
@getsideways7257
2 жыл бұрын
@@csdigitaldesign And which module wasn't a "buggy mess" upon release? Why should I "wait patiently like the rest of us" when you can happily wait by yourselves? Nobody forces you to buy / install it right away. Why do you feel you need to dictate others when they are having it?
Thank You!! I was an Apache Crew Chief in the Army, we didn't get to fly these BAD BOYZ - just work on them. But you NEVER FORGET THE SOUND of the Gun. Lol.
Wow! Just anything beyond what I could imagine. It looks and sounds incredible.
Your voice is so soothing, it helps me negate the notion, I am operating a machine that was constructed for eradicating human life, in an upmost auspicious way !
Love the rate and quality that these videos are coming out at!
Feels so close! Can’t wait! Thank you ED and Wags!
The quality and level of detail that goes into modules like these is amazing. So obvious the passion that must run through the whole ED team (including yourself Wags). So good to see development like this. Can't wait to subject this to my appalling piloting skills. Keep up the great work.
Awesome! This is ging to be one of the best Moduls for DCS. The amount of simulated Systems is staggering. Happy to wait for the next Video!
whole opening shot is beautiful congrats!
I cant wait for this! Keep up the great work guys
I can't believe how good this model looks. Bravo.
Great. AH 64 video coming in regularly. Sign of a better things to come
Woohoo! Now we're getting to the really fun part of these tutorials! Thanks, Wagz, for another great video. I might need to start wearing a bib if I start drooling any more though.
Wow eagle dynamics this looks incredible
This is insane. Wish my grandfather was here to see this. He worked as an executive VP after being an a engineer @ Howard Hughes when they first started making Proto types for the gun/gimbal under the AH64 Apache! Have so many real parts IRL from the Apache helicopter thanks to him!
Very much looking forward to this. Thanks for the update Wags.
I can feel a cold start video coming woo. Great vid Wags!
@MattWagner
2 жыл бұрын
It will be the last video in the series.
Looks awesome wags, looking forward to trying it out!
Couldn’t help myself and had to buy this module last night just for a change from the fa18! It’s super fun and I can not wait until it’s more fleshed out. Worth buying just to support this awesome team of developers
ABSOLUTELY STUNNING GUYS, cant wait to engage some technicals with my copilot.
My boss was an Apache pilot. Fun showing him these videos to get his perspectives.
What I find most amazing about this video is the title: "Gun". No further explanation needed.
The new FLIR rendering looks great
Outstanding work on this cant wait for more tutorials....
As an armament dawg, I can't believe the level of realism in this sim. I'm incredibly excited to get my hands on this module!
This is the feature I'm looking forward to the most!
Looking good Wags. Take as much time as you need. Thank you for bringing this amazing machine to DCS.
The way that hook hanging on the top left of the cockpit moves is mesmerizing...
@DevrimBabacan
2 жыл бұрын
I hope they won't move in sync, otherwise they look annoying a little bit in long flights. :)
@ismaeljordaVR
2 жыл бұрын
@@DevrimBabacan at least they're tactical hooks...
@smiffy197
2 жыл бұрын
They’re showing off at this point
Wow everything is super impressive, but the vibrations and movements in the cockpit at like 5:50 blew me away. That sort of attention to detail boosts immersion by huge amounts.
I can't wait to see the start up procedure!!
Going to spend more time with DCS than my wife when this module releases! 😍👍
@getsideways7257
2 жыл бұрын
Your wife spends more time with other modules than you usually? :)
@JSNFARRELL
2 жыл бұрын
@@getsideways7257 Sure... if she DCSed too.
@serolrom
2 жыл бұрын
I have my sim in the living room so technically I spend most of my spare time with my wife :I
@richardnellyer2334
2 жыл бұрын
It's called AIDS (Apache Induced Divorce Syndrome) 😂
@JSNFARRELL
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardnellyer2334 lol queue the music, My Father (AIDS) My sister (AIDS) My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS, AIDS, AIDS)
wow, the sound of the gun is spot on
Amazing. And I remember going to my neighbors house to play Pong in the early 80's and being excited.
Love the module, love dcs and your voice haha
Idk why but that metalic thing hanging on the upper left side of the pilot that had physics applied to it is an absolutely awesome detail, very immersive
@blasterml
Жыл бұрын
An FPS hook for older GPU's.
Your cadence really reminds me of the instructor in Janes LB2. Giving me major nostalgia.
Thanks for the video. I am looking forward to the release..
The first thing I ever preordered. But I'm Sure I wont be disappointed
Yesss - looks amazing!
Looks amazing! Ty.
Finally an Apache video, where my head was not spinning due to all the technical systems and abbreviations 😉
Once this comes out, all of my other steam games are going to be so jealous! I'm going to spend all of my time learning this helo! :D
Ok this looks ready enough. Bring it out Tomorrow thanks ;)
I'm still wondering how the f... i will be able to bind all these button on my cheap T16000 but I'm very happy to see so great improvements on the aircraft, thank you for all the great work !
@Mustang242Sqn
2 жыл бұрын
Modifier buttons are your friend. I managed to cram almost all the A-10C HOTAS commands on my old Sidewinder FFB2 with only 8 buttons and one hat. It can be done :-)
@sabatheus
2 жыл бұрын
*cough* Virpil master race *cough*
@Mustang242Sqn
2 жыл бұрын
After 20 happy years of using the FFB2, I finally went with the Winwing Orion for a HOTAS last year. Great product! Still keeping the FFB2 to hand for helicopters though...
@sloppydog4831
2 жыл бұрын
Modifiers and keyboard. It is what I use to fly the Hog, for instance.
@drewpluto2716
2 жыл бұрын
@@sloppydog4831 what do you mean by modifiers? dumb question I know haha
Yeahy,this will all be great,if and when it finally comes out.
Thank you Matt - my work project is now 7:10 minutes late 😁
Pointing the gun where you look is still one of the coolest features of the Apache.
@orlock20
2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure all those surviving B-17 belly gunners wished that's how it worked for them.
that swinging coat hook is such a flex
Could not be more excited for something I understood none of.
Good stuff!
That’s great! Where’s the update video where you push the Apache back another month?
5:42 how good is that dangling hook!
@Durian_Defense
2 жыл бұрын
What's the purpose of the hook? To hang preserved meat in Dasbot-style?
Nice job team
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but: Damn! This thing looks gorgeous!
You said that "This is most often reduced in the field" in regards to the rate of fire. Does this mean we will be able to select it at some point in the future? Given the chaotic environments of DCS it would sometimes be very useful to have that full rate of fire, but in others, like reality, it would be beneficial to have that reduced for the same reasons.
@salamiflavoredspider
2 жыл бұрын
The rate of fire is not selectable. In the field, dirt, AHS tensions, and other factors will reduce the rate of fire.
@kamraam1464
2 жыл бұрын
@@salamiflavoredspider You seem to have some experience in this field, so if I may ask: how many rounds are typically carried in combat? Do crews usually carry 1200 or is 300 really all they take? (I'm sure weight plays into that decision as well)
@salamiflavoredspider
2 жыл бұрын
@@kamraam1464 in 6 years I never saw anything but the 300rnd Robbie tank installed.
@kamraam1464
2 жыл бұрын
@@salamiflavoredspider gotcha, thanks for the reply!
Just lovely!
Aw yeah, it's getting real now. Startup gotta be soon!
Hellenic AH-64D!! Nice!!!!
Matt how is the Multithreading working out so far cant wait for the next update for it love your work keep it up and best wishes from everyone
Cant wait to fly it with my HP Reverb G2!🔥
Wags - Could you do a setup video with what you have recommended. Joysticks, TrackIR or VR, pedals, mice, ect. I'm really wanting to get into this and would like a little info ahead of time if possible.
Bought this back in Nov sale…. HURRY UP AND WAIT. Semper fi!
As cool as the idea was, I'm glad ED took out the HMD glass edge in the "peripheral view". Thanks!
@MattWagner
2 жыл бұрын
It is an option.
Great job guys. Keep up the good work can't wait. Thank Wags.
Can't wait!
Best Valentine's day when we get to play with chaingun
In regards to such a weapon, relying on HE splash damage to do much of the damage: How is the ground unit damage model update coming along? =)
@MattWagner
2 жыл бұрын
No problem morting leg and unarmored unit without direct hits.
@Jarlerus
2 жыл бұрын
@@MattWagner Ok, good that new weapon systems do reasonable damage. :) I'm eagerly awaiting a broader update to the damage model so that, for example, a HEAT Mav doesn't do more AoE damage vs infantry and unarmored units than a 500lb Mk82. :')
will there be a way to record and extract footage from the FLIR sight?
Wow, the frequency of these videos is going up. 😍
Will the gun firing rate field modification be an option in the ME or options?
Look at that cockpit vibration
Low left, high right. How I was taught to lead targets in aerial gunnery.
really need an option to remove "disable cyclic trigger guard". Just realized that was why I couldn't fire gun or rockets this last time. This is one of the few things I've ever run into where realism ruined my experience xD
I have a question, I pre-ordered the addon a few months ago, and I'm wondering when the EARLY ACCESS begins, can you fly them now or not = and if so, how does that work?
Please, release it with a theme that ressembles Jane's Longbow theme.
I like the new helmet retical
Is there a reason the TSD is usually on the right? I've been wondering about that considering its where you do points etc and the keyboard unit is on the left.
Time between tutorials is getting shorter. Through the force I feel, early access release is close
@MattWagner
2 жыл бұрын
Rockets for later in the week.
@ElbigEmo
2 жыл бұрын
@@MattWagner thank you and the team for the hard work and for taking the time to make sure to deliver a great product :)
To make a purchase decision one need to know an important thing - does this metal hook accurately react to the aircraft's movement?
Everything is looking awesome so far, keep up the great work! Is there any simbology in the pilot visor to understand if the gun is within azimuth and elevation constraints?
@MattWagner
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, over the HAD, just like the TDU.
@ThePamapink
2 жыл бұрын
@@MattWagner Oh ok! Thanks for the reply.
Quickest click in history
Any chance to remove the several control "guards" as an optional function in the special settings for apache module.
Wags quick question does the gun have a coincidence when its avoiding the wire strike protection system off the left hand nose of the aircraft?
Lol that S hook though. Magic
will it be possible (or is it possible in real life) to laser something for other players (for example FA 18 Missiles)?
Marvellous!! we have a date of release?
woah this is good
Cant wait
With each video i wonder, how many bindings can you fit on a cyclic and collective, to use this in VR. You would need a whole button-loaded cockpit to use this without breaking the immersion by picking up a controller just to push a button.
Just like the A10c, if the only thing I learn besides flying it is using the gun, I’ll be more than happy. For me, every other button press is not needed
Hey Wags. Love the tutorial. Just wondering: Why is Robbie Tank not optional??? Seems a bit odd. Lmk.Thanks.
@MattWagner
2 жыл бұрын
Required time.
@gerardheil8303
2 жыл бұрын
The Robbie tank is pretty much the standard loadout for that version of the Apache. Taking it on and off you would have to rework flight dynamics with different fuel loads, so for early access it makes sense to just stick with one.
@bomkata
2 жыл бұрын
@@gerardheil8303 so why not just in EA leave it off and add it later? 300 rounds is nothing
@gerardheil8303
2 жыл бұрын
@@bomkata 300 rounds is tons. The Mi-24P has 250 rounds and a much faster firing rate and it's plenty. The AH-64 has a slower firing rate and is turreted. How many technicals and 2 man mortar teams are you going to engage in 1 sortie? With rare exceptions your standard AH-64D Apache comes with the Robbie tank equipped because they realized the extra fuel was more useful then 900 rounds of probably unused ammo before you need to gas up again. That combined with a standard full load of 8 hellfires and 38 Hydra 70 rockets is more then enough firepower.
@gerardheil8303
2 жыл бұрын
@@bomkata I mean at the high rate of fire in the Apache which is 625 rounds plus or minus 25 a minute (often reduced in the field) with 300 rounds you have almost half a minute of holding down the trigger. What other aircraft has that in game?
The Hind punisher!! 😂 Can't wait!!!!!
@dannyd7714
2 жыл бұрын
More like the other way around since the Hind has air to air armament and the Apache doesn't lol.
@csdigitaldesign
2 жыл бұрын
@@dannyd7714 indeed. Sad that they didn't do the stingers. It was a very real option and many other countries used it regularly. The reason the U.S. Army never employed it was because you have to sacrifice the IR early warning and we usually had air superiority anyways. Makes sense they never used it but the AH-64D was and is used by other countries who did want to use the kit. It's not like the kit never existed or never got actual use. I hope later ED changes thier minds about that. If they want it to be accurate, just limit it for the countries that didn't use it. If you set the aircraft to the U.S. in the editor, there's no option etc.
@sheeplord4976
2 жыл бұрын
@@csdigitaldesignThe AH-64D modelled never got the wiring and doesn't have the systems to carry/employ the weapons. It would be like having the F-14B carry AIM-120s just because they integrated them onto another version and could probably put them onto the F-14B if they wanted to.
@csdigitaldesign
2 жыл бұрын
@@sheeplord4976 while it's true the U.S. never used the kit, there was a kit from Boeing available that was actually tested by the U.S. Army and not only that but later adopted by other countries that we exported the AH-64D to as a standard loadout. This included a control box that was attached in the cockpit, the wiring harness and launchers mounted to the winglet tips. So no, it's not like giving the F-14B Aim-120s because no such kit was made for that. My argument it's that while the U.S. Army never deployed the stingers, other countries using the AH-64D did. What if I want to simulate using an Apache from Japan? Because that was one country that deployed use of this kit. South Korea also operates the AH-64D with stingers as well. "In August 2001, the AH-64D was selected by the Japanese Ground Self-Defence Force with a requirement for 55 helicopters. The Apache for Japan is designated AH-64DJP and is armed with Stinger air-to-air missiles." www.army-technology.com/projects/apache/ "Starting in the 1980s, the Stinger and AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and the AGM-122 Sidearm anti-radiation missile were evaluated for use upon the AH-64.[71][72] The Stinger was initially selected; the U.S. Army was also considering the Starstreak air-to-air missile.[71][73] External fuel tanks can also be carried on the stub wings to increase range and mission time.[42] The stub-wing pylons have mounting points for maintenance access; these mountings can also be used to secure personnel externally for emergency transport.[74] Stinger missiles are often used on non-U.S. Apaches, as foreign forces do not have as many air superiority aircraft to control the skies.[75] The AH-64E initially lacked the ability to use the Stinger to make room for self-defense equipment, but the capability was added back following a South Korean demand" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache Basically, the reason the U.S. Army didn't use the kit was because they didn't need it. The U.S. already had air superiority in the majority of any theaters they employed the AH-64D and thus keeping the IR early warning system which would of needed to be ditched was far more useful to them. Other countries however did not have this luxury.
While the Robby tank can hold 300 rounds, the Ammo Handling System from the Robby tank to the gun can hold another 30, and since each tray from the ammo can hold 11 rounds a typical load is 330 rounds.
@gerardheil8303
2 жыл бұрын
I mean the people griping that they only have 300 rounds are being ridiculous. That still equates to almost 30 seconds of continuously holding down the trigger with the higher rate of fire
@salamiflavoredspider
2 жыл бұрын
@@gerardheil8303 so this is DCS and it's probably not modeled, but continuously holding down the trigger will almost always break something, and then you have people like me yelling at you
@Mightymoose02
2 жыл бұрын
@@gerardheil8303 Remember in DCS World we can enact on WW3 scenarios 😂. Need all 1200 then...
@gerardheil8303
2 жыл бұрын
@@salamiflavoredspider true, espessially with single barrel the m230 needs some cool down after long sustained bursts