vennels must go to jail

@joemander7580

2 ай бұрын

For a long time

@StimParavane

2 ай бұрын

But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.

@ianellis5634

2 ай бұрын

Bet she won't though.

@exiledscouser919

2 ай бұрын

I rather agree, that she will rightly be gripping the rail and will face court. If you are running prosecutions based largely if not entirely on the supposed infallibility of the Horizon system and it comes to your attention that there are very real system deficiencies, that Horizon had significant and serious problems you have a legal obligation under CPIA 1996 to disclose matters to the court as being useful to the defence position and which undermines your own. As we now know, these would have proved fatal to 100’s of prior cases had they been properly and promptly disclosed. Not only for a single case, CPIA obligations are ongoing. Ignoring or suppressing them exposes those responsible to prosecution at the very least for perverting the course of justice. Yet in their hubris senior figures deliberately and outrageously suppressed this and sailed on regardless. Prosecution decisions were made at the top tier of PO management and they (amongst others) are evidently highly culpable here. They are a monumental disgrace and I hope they are living in fear of the arrival of size 11 boots on their doorstep.

@noelfleming3567

2 ай бұрын

She had to be punished blatantly lied and destroyed lives she should be stripped of all earnings bonuses and pensions these criminals can't get away it's a complete mockery of d law😮

She lied....why all the discussion...she lied.

@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476

2 ай бұрын

Oh yes, CH4 'doorstepped' her coming out of church on sunday just gone, she wouldn't even look at the reporter, CLASSIC narcissistic behaviour. She KNOWS she's done wrong!

@michaelmcginley7930

2 ай бұрын

Still won't go to jail

@amandamcauley

2 ай бұрын

​@@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476No, not that she's done wrong, she knows that she's been CAUGHT!!!

@probro9898

2 ай бұрын

@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476 That was a bit mean - whatever she might have done she has a right to go to church without being harassed. Whatever she has to say for herself, she'll say under oath at the enquiry, or at her trial - not to C4 reporters waiting at the church gate to ambush her.

@exiledscouser919

2 ай бұрын

@@probro9898 not long to wait then - she’s before the enquiry 1st May for three days.

This scandal is past apologies it's time too jail the whole post office management of corporate manslaughter

@deedub577

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct but I’ll bet she doesn’t go to jail

@alridd7038

2 ай бұрын

The evidence is overwhelming now .

@leroysimon5692

Ай бұрын

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

Put her in jail where she belongs

@StimParavane

2 ай бұрын

But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.

The real criminals need to be put in jail for what they did to these poor innocent people

@StimParavane

2 ай бұрын

But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.

If that was an ordinary person what paula did they would have been arrested, charged and sentenced. Paula vennels needs locking up minimum of 30yrs she has destroyed many lives over the years

100's of innocent post masters sent to jail!!! If the is any justice and rule of law left in this toxic & corrupt little island. She should spend the rest of her life in prison.

@Behindstage

2 ай бұрын

It’s not a “corrupt little island”

@davearmstrong2296

2 ай бұрын

She also needs to give the Subpostmasters every penny she earned to them, including her pension.

@ChoppingtonOtter

2 ай бұрын

She won't of course, nor will her gang of weasels. The establishment *always* takes care of the establishment . Even if by some miracle she did, it would be an open easy prison, not a real one. I don't actually know how you give a sentence that is sufficient to hundreds of lives destroyed . She will still be very, very wealthy too. Laughing all the way to the bank.

@durfelx3890

2 ай бұрын

@@Behindstage no, its a corrupt big island

@StimParavane

2 ай бұрын

But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.

Vennels should be in Holloway prison TBH. A nasty peice of work

@neilgreggor806

2 ай бұрын

Holloway was closed several years ago.

@WeeShoeyDugless

2 ай бұрын

​@@neilgreggor806 Great news, she would be in there all on her own then!!

Vennels is an horrendous miscreant and deserves the full penalty of law.

The fact that she was a part-time Church of England vicar and preaching from a pulpit what is right and wrong is just warped.... She makes Myra Hindley look like an angel... all along she knew she was ruining and taking good people's lives, it is almost sick, actually it is sick..and she is still Free ...How ?

@misterbonzoid5623

2 ай бұрын

Your Myra H comment is ridiculous.

@catherinesinclair7727

2 ай бұрын

..and got paid millions for her lies

@alamaskashuefgggggv

2 ай бұрын

@@misterbonzoid5623😂😂😂

@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476

2 ай бұрын

It also puts Justin Wellby's 'judgement' into doubt as apparently they're 'good friends'... i also wonder if this is why she didn't get the bishop of London gig?

@mark.lawrence

2 ай бұрын

she is sick. just like the whole rotten establishment. sick.

prison

She needs to go to prison.

Go for her fast, she is a lier,prison

Paula Venables needs to go to jail

@josephlennon8475

2 ай бұрын

And the rest, don't forget.

@brianlopez8855

2 ай бұрын

Vennells must be made to be feel grateful to reach prison, safely.

@davemis40

2 ай бұрын

Not just her

@theobserver2309

2 ай бұрын

An interesting play on words there...

@anonnemo2504

2 ай бұрын

Why? Who is she and what has she done?

For a 'women of the cloth' she should be ashamed of herself.. why do you say she 'misled'... she lied, thats what it is, lied. Misled is a buzzword that MP's and other prominant individuals use. Prison will be fine for her.. prison chaplain would suit her fine for a couple of years..👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@brentjamescollins9731

2 ай бұрын

I am a christian but I do not think she would be suitable to be a prison chaplain. Regards, Brent Collins.

@K1lostream

Ай бұрын

Hopefully she is touching cloth now.

It’s clear now that Post Office management involved in this scandal need to be prosecuted…

This woman should be in prison

She is either a) going to jail or b) no one is going to take a blind bit of notice of any laws made by Parliament ever again.

So what time will plod be at her door 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 nope nothing to see here.

I just can't believe MPs took the Post Office bosses word for it, despite a growing number of sub-postmasters and the JFSA being formed. It's like the police asking a burglar if they stole anything, them saying no, and the police letting them go.

@kingcurry6594

2 ай бұрын

Of course MPs would take their word for it. It's a very serious offence to lie to Government and don't think that any of the various Post Office ministers (Labour, Lib Dem or Conservative) would consider it likely that Vennells and her staff would do so.

@anonnemo2504

2 ай бұрын

I can quite believe they did. Most of them are lazy and/or incompetent. Many will consider many of these people at both the Post Office and Fujitsu to be as guilty as a puppy sat next to a pile of poo and why does a police investigation have to wait until the conclusion of this inquiry? There is sufficient evidence against named individuals for investigations to start immediately. How long will it take for justice to be served if investigations have to wait until long winded KCs, paid by the hour out of the public purse, have finished asking their questions, some of which are irrelevant and others just plain stupid?

@kingcurry6594

2 ай бұрын

@@anonnemo2504 Presumably, you're one of those "know-all, know-nothing" cynics who think that all MPs are lazy, self-promoting wastes of oxygen. Sadly, some are. We hear all about them. There are far too many in the Tory party, but they exist in the SNP and Labour as well. I don't think that there are any in the Lib Dems, Greens or Plaid Cymru. Then there's George Galloway. But many MPs are actually hard-working and are in politics for all the right reasons. And it's tragic that some, like you, tar them all with the same brush. All the Post Office Ministers are entitled to expect that senior Post Office executives would have to tell them the truth. They didn't. They told barefaced lies and misled them. Paula Vennells must face criminal charges, as must several other senior executives. They knowingly made false statements under oath. As for the unacceptable delay in compensating sub postmasters for their loss, that comes down to the Treasury's obstruction since 2017. And that's entirely the fault of the Conservatives.

PRISON!

@StimParavane

2 ай бұрын

But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.

Prison.

Just put her in jail, she can't be allowed to walk away from this.

She’s only sorry that she’s been found out, otherwise she’d have kept silent. Disgusting. All involved MUST be prosecuted!!

She must be jailed. Justice is in the public interest. This must not go unpunished.

All they are concerned about is whether or not that thses scumbags misled parliament , this investigation needs to be closed down and they just need to be on trial.

Vennells needs jailing

@StimParavane

2 ай бұрын

But in a feminist society that is highly unlikely. We have a two-tier justice system.

It should be a criminal offence to lie to the public if an MP, the head of a large company, or a news outlet. We deserve honesty in this country, and lying should not be accepted as the norm. Our children and grandchildren deserve better. So it's up to us to force MPs to make some changes. Any MP who doesn't agree to making lying a criminal offence should be unelectable. How about you start it off as you seem like a reasonably chap and it would be a great legacy to leave the country.

Its ALL those involved should go to JAIL

@RichardASK

2 ай бұрын

All those who are culpable.

@PJMcInerney

2 ай бұрын

The government-all parties allowed the PO free rein and are now ‘shocked’ that they abused their powers - PV is not the only villain in this story

@michaelwynn8811

2 ай бұрын

@@PJMcInerney true

She needs to go to prison for a long time

@user-bl8zw4ol1j

2 ай бұрын

She is a liar and to hidebehind that horrendous smirk is a disgrace she won't smirk in prison

Any director who was the recipient of any bonus(s) during "Horizon" years of deceit, should be forced to repay the same into a victims fund. That money extorted from the victims, amounts to stolen money; that they handled! This would reflect positively in the profit/loss a/c, skewing the true state of finances from which said bonuses were calculated. And, this is just the money. ALL victim's losses must be calculated in so far as is possible.

@user-bl8zw4ol1j

2 ай бұрын

Don't be so nieve they took the hard earned cash from the INNOCENT victims which is paramount to STEALING those victims are the sufferers and the guilty have blood on their hands

@tiahash2013

2 ай бұрын

Yes, absolutely agree. My heart goes out to those wronged by those incompetent and self serving excuses for human beings.

I believe no one at the top will spend time in custody for their lies and ruining innocent peoples lives. Costing millions of £sss in the process. Does she have any integrity ?. Or any of them?.

A Cof E vicar, is she still there, not the action of a real Christian, she should be in prison.

@user-bl8zw4ol1j

2 ай бұрын

She's a disgrace to all concerned She should be punished for her crimes but her pal Wilby archbishop of Canterbury will pray for her

@RichardASK

2 ай бұрын

@@user-bl8zw4ol1j Praying for her is fine, but supporting her hypocrisy is not.

This is so wrong, this is blatant lying, these people didn't give a toss about other people's lives, as long as the as there brand is just fine, feck the rest

This scandal is the final straw that should end the current form of government of the UK. In the UK we should now only vote for independent, non political party, candidates. I mean we should not vote for any candidate that belongs to any political party. No existing political party has come out with any policies on any of the several current major issues concerning lies by nationalised business, government, NGOs, and global multinationals, resulting in deaths and injuries to British subjects. For example the UK Government does not consider it their responsibility to intervene when it is obvious that ordinary honest people are being wrongfully imprisoned on trumped up charges by a UK government owned business. A UK government that cannot protect people from such injustice is not fit to govern and must not be tolerated and must be removed along with all the civil service systems and organizations that support it. The UK Government now fails to protect British subjects life and health from a range of external threats. Even listing some of the issues here, on which they have failed miserably, will lead to this post being censored. There is no benefit to the UK population in a party based political system because each party can be captured and controlled by evil external organizations. The future now can only be an anarchist co-operative system where all voices are represented and no party can completely control the destiny of the country's people. Anything else will permit our gradual enslavement by forces so vile that we are currently unable to comprehend them.

@paula7084

2 ай бұрын

Well said .

@kingcurry6594

2 ай бұрын

Ridiculous idea.

@RichardASK

2 ай бұрын

Now don't be silly.

Do they not think all those working in these post offices were ALL THIEVES AT THE SAME TIME ?? one or two maybe but hundreds !!REALLY

Yes, she lied and misled in order to gain a big fat bonus for herself, whilst innocent employees went to jail and had their lives destroyed. She couldn’t care less about them. There needs to be many civil cases to claim compensation against her. Then a criminal case to send her to jail.

Sad thing is, in Scotland it was the Crown Office that prosecuted the sub post masters not the Post Office and as of statements yesterday are doubling down on those convictions, despite a call for the convictions to be overturned.

@SoberOKMoments

2 ай бұрын

Wow. Sounds like a closer look is needed there, too.

@hozzer68

2 ай бұрын

@@SoberOKMoments it’s difficult to look at anything in Scotland because the SNP Cabal have loaded the Crown Office, The Judiciary, The Police and the civil service and any parliamentary enquiry with their supporters.

@johncooper8040

2 ай бұрын

Never heard that. Terrible if true.

Venues and others who knew horizon was faulty should each serve jail time of the cumulative jail time of the postmasters.

The BIG question is now - was it a computer error, OR was somebody creaming off this money for their own benefit?

@mark.lawrence

2 ай бұрын

what do you think?

@peterkilvert2712

2 ай бұрын

@@mark.lawrence I think there is a good possibility that it was a scam. When somebody admits to something, there is often a bigger crime they are hiding. When it was revealed that the accounts could be fiddled manually, anything is possible.

@cassandratq9301

3 күн бұрын

Or both?

Remember when this was being touted as the biggest miscarriage of justice the UK has ever seen? It goes much further than the Post Office leaders, MPs knew too.

@kingcurry6594

2 ай бұрын

"MPs knew too" Not till about 2018, when the facts began to emerge.

@RichardASK

2 ай бұрын

Don't just simply label all MPs. I suspect MPs like Conservative MP James Arbuthnot and Nadhim Zahawi helped get this situation out into the Public domain more quickly than may have been the case without especially James now Lord Arbuthnot's help.

@robertstorey7476

2 ай бұрын

That's ridiculous. Several MP's have been absolutely instrumental in getting justice to those falsely convicted.

@kingcurry6594

2 ай бұрын

@@robertstorey7476 Yes - including Ed Davey who, once he found out the lies he'd been told by Post Office staff and some civil servants , met Alan Bates and has been a strong supporter of their campaign for justice and compensation.

Jail for at least 10yrs .

Mr Davies, you are a very influential and credible MP. Surely it's time that honourable MP's push for the Police to press charges before Labour comes to power.

@cassandratq9301

3 күн бұрын

They have to finish the Inquiry.

at what point does misled become lied. ??? are these crooks free to roam around spending their millions because the criminals in the HOP are in on it ??? fujitsu being offered & accepted new govt. contracts ??? so what does that tell us ???

Let's not forget that starmer was head of the CPS during the post office scandal and the CPS with 10 convictions 3 while starmer was DPP yet no mention one the MSM.

@nicolasstevens5978

2 ай бұрын

As I understand it the CPS did not handle the prosecutions , the corrupt PO did

@terrapyn99

2 ай бұрын

Sir Keith is a true knight of the establishment and defender of the status quo.

@snowyowel7961

2 ай бұрын

@terrapyn99 He is an undemocratic hypocrite .

As clergy she must be familiar with the truth will set you free.

@user-bl8zw4ol1j

2 ай бұрын

But she's shown that she cannot tell the truth

Mental health card to played

Well I would say for each postmaster convicted is another charge so if they’re in the hundreds I would say there’s hundreds of charges to be laid so the only thing I can see is prison for this person of the post office and her friends that thought this could be head and swept under the carpet maybe a couple of decades in the crowbar hotel will make them think twice of what they’ve done

What a shame! How big shark saved them self while innocent people suffer to the life changing situations 😮😢

She knew all the time, shame on her,

The post office says it's fully focused on getting to the truth now that they can't cover it up anymore..

Thank you David. Please do all you can to get this person in jail.

I think there is a misapprehension about power and authority that has grown up over time; being in a position of power, in any setting, doesn't simply mean that you are able to assert authority over others. It also means that you are responsible when things go wrong. Even if you had nothing personally or directly to do with the thing that's gone wrong - you are in the top job, so you must take responsibility. We very rarely see that aspect of power being enacted, and its absence is poisonous to our public life.

Ed Davey even more misled. He was the first to speak with Alan Bates he tried to confirm the problem with the Federation of Postmasters who he thought spoke for all the ordinary Postmasters both male & femail across the country and were not as it turned out a mouthpiece for the Postoffice.

Paula Vennels is a crafty woman she knew what is going on . Wait and see what she has to say next month

Time for Paula and some of mates who were also involved go spend some time in jail , its disgusting what they have done

Surely the big lesson to be learnt from this it is that any form of involvement in prosecution or self regulation is clearly open to be abused and yet many organisation/industry in some shape or form have a version of just that - the worst example of all being the police!

Just watched David Smith lie unconvincingly so that's two who should face legal proceedings.

I wonder if we will ever get to know how much politicians knew about the Post Office Scandal ? .

Not sure how David Davis has the gall to question someone else about misleading the government ... after brexit. The negotiation on behalf of the UK was totally beyond him.

@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476

2 ай бұрын

Trying to make out he's one of 'the good guys'... do not be fooled! He's as bad as johnson, mogg, titchy eunak, patel, braverman... the lot of them!

@user-bl8zw4ol1j

2 ай бұрын

He is another Conservative liar that we are paying for what???

Vennells and Swinson a dentists nightmare!

I cannot believe that someone at the PO didn't have THIS thought - 100s of sub-postmasters of previously good character BEFORE the Horizon system was installed, SUDDENLY go rogue AFTER Horizon was installed. It is unbelievable that this coincidence was missed - or did someone NOT speak up when they should have.

One word. PRISON.

2:53 . . . she didn't "feed you to the wolves" . . she WAS the Wolf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She’s gonna play the mental health card. Money on it!

If she doesn't go to jail then this country is corrupt

Perverting the course of justice is a criminal offence. Lock her up!

Prison for life

What happened to the money the postmasters paid to the post office.

" the post office is fully focused on getting to the truth". Consider the details of this wicked, purposeful scandal, and then thunk about that statement.

All these evil people will never face justice. The British Crown will shield them from all accountability and will eventually give each of them a Knighthood and a cash payout from the public purse. Just & Fair? Under the British Crown? ... don't hold your breath.

Vennels as an Anglican priest must be fully aware of the horrendous nature of her conduct and where she is headed.

Thanks for your incredible work on highlighting lies David. It very much underlines your years of hard work and integrity on the UK exit from the European Community resulting in a much deserved peerage.

Ironically, this Post Office inquiry itself could be cited as denying Vennels a fair trial because of the advance adverse publicity.

@cassandratq9301

3 күн бұрын

Nope. Her full legal rights have been preserved.

Ms Veneral must pay the price.

A regular churchgoers once said to me, the biggest sinners are the ones who sit in the front pews. In her case as the Queen of them she stands right at the front .

Convictions against sub postmasters should be quashed and prosecutions be brought against Post Office executives and their lawyers.

@cassandratq9301

3 күн бұрын

And its "investigators". Under "Security".

This has been going for some time, Jo Swanson says she had been misled. But surely JS was aware of the allegations against Horizon. So what did she do about it. She seems to have just accepted it, she has not delved deeper, as with a number of Post Office Ministers who did not dig into the case. The Ministers were negligent in their enquiries.

She’s before the enquiry 1st May. Hopefully this will throw further light on any dissembling and machinations at PO.

Following the current enquiry they will say lessons have been learnt but we can’t prosecute because it will be impossible to get a fair trial. The current enquiry should b3 stopped until criminal cases have been heard.

But David did you not also mislead the British electorate when you said there is no downside to brexit? No doubt you are correct in what you say. But maybe it would be better for the victims and the rest of us if you stayed silent on the post office subject. A case isn't helped when an advocate has previous for self deception.

@gooeyrhubarb1593

2 ай бұрын

Aww, still crying about Brexit. Bless your little rainbow cotton socks ❤️❤️❤️

@SoberOKMoments

2 ай бұрын

@@gooeyrhubarb1593 Anyone looking at the UK today and when Brexit got voted in should be crying. Trickery at the highest level.

They will never be able to get the blood off their hands...even in prison!!

Let’s hope for “Robust” sentences.

Could we please conclude the enquiry asap and let the Police and the Courts take over as would be and has been the case with so many rank and file citizens. These corrupt, greedy, stubborn, selfish and entitled 'bosses' acted knowingly in a criminal way, so let them face the music of Justice good and proper, not a pretence...

Don't forget many of these were prosecuted by Keir Starmer's DPP.

@johnm2012

2 ай бұрын

The Post Office prosecuted its own cases privately.

@JelMain

2 ай бұрын

@@johnm2012 The DPP could still intervene.

@Lynnefromlyn

2 ай бұрын

@@JelMainsorry, your pathetic attempt to smear Starmer is baseless. The Post Office has the power to both prosecute, try and jail people. And they did. Starmer wasn’t anywhere near it. So troll off!

@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476

2 ай бұрын

@@Lynnefromlyn It's all the right wingers have mate, the cat is well and truly out of the bag and yet STILL they believe their own gas lighting.

@KevinSmith-ki7yl

2 ай бұрын

No they bloody well were not, another Tory lie.

The bosses were protecting their bonuses. It's hard to believe they could stand by and watch honest hard working valued people go to prison ,become bankrupt or commit suicide just to protect their bonuses but that's exactly what they did. They should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law as a message to others not to do the same .

@cassandratq9301

3 күн бұрын

Not to mention obstruction of justice for all the cover ups.

This person deserves to stand in front of a jury and have a fair for the seeming crimes they have committed . If the police don't act we need to follow Alan Bates and crowdfund such a process. We cannot let these people get away without a trial. My cheque book is ready if no action is taken. Let's have some proper justice for teflon executives for a change and get faith back in justice. Please join me if we need to Crowd fund for postmaster justice

She lied, lied and lied again and should be jailed. This cost people their livelihoods', honour and ultimately some lives. Not only she lied at work but she lied as a Priest. Double whammy and she is a disgrace.

Never trust a Ginga!

Paula Vennels should pay all the wrongly convicted Post Masters out of her own pocket...and then head straight to jail... without collecting £200...on the monopoly game... Trouble is, who is going to fall with her... Maybe they (the convicted) could open up a post office in the prison 😅 What a shameful state of affairs...😮

They all have. For years. No honour in Goverenment

David Davis should have been leader and prime minister far better than Cameron. A man of integrity unlike to senior management of the post office gaol awaits.

@terrapyn99

2 ай бұрын

Men of integrity would never get far in the dirty world of corporate politics.

I'm Irish. I assume the UK legislation on 'White Collar' crime is deficient, as it is in Ireland (deliberately). I also assume it will take a very lengthy and extremely expensive legal action before any of those with responsibility are brought to justice. High powered legal teams will be engaged to delay, obscure and argue every legal fine point.

Why is Paula Vennells free to live her life while she sent hundreds to jail unjustly? I mean COME ON!! Talk about justice denied.....

I love how people are asking this kind of question like the alternative plausible explanation is it was just unlucky. This doesn't happen when the justice system is adhered to and when people tell the truth and do their jobs honourably and honestly. Therefore lies have been told, people have been misled and the lies have then been covered up. My calculation is that The PO name needed to be protected to keep it attractive to private companies, so that meant never accepting anything that threatened that, no matter the cost to lifestyles, or lives. Anybody involved, at any time could have demanded the data and not involved themselves any further until they got the data. Anybody involved, at any point could have said that every single database in the world has admin access to it which is required should the database become corrupted, and via that admin login, changed can also be made to the data. That alone shows that anyone saying there are no backdoors, either don't know what they are talking about, or are lying.

Lock her up

She did lie, in her life she was ordained as a priest for the Church of England, resigned quietly and hid behind their skirts…she cannot hide from those she lied to any longer. The worst thing she could have done was to lie before God. I believe in justice and those post masters need justice!

@jonm7272

2 ай бұрын

Bollox to your stupid made up sky fairy. It's the lying before Parliament and the courts that matters!!

She along with anyone else that committed perjury should go to prison.

What a (See You Next Tuesday) of a person!

Ed Davey and Jo Swinton had access the same information as James Arbuthnot but unlike Lord Arbuthnot they chose to side against the Sub postmasters.