I believe the word for paying witnesses for appearing at a commission is called bribery.

@tonymoruzzi

4 ай бұрын

I can’t understand why they would pay or give bonuses to these people when giving evidence at a public enquiry is not really optional if section 21 is used. But I suppose this would drag out proceedings.

@dianeglanville

4 ай бұрын

WHY AREN'T THEY iN JAIL TORIES

@markbullen5989

4 ай бұрын

Word

@DavidJohnson-yg8qm

4 ай бұрын

More like robbery

@brotherkennyh

4 ай бұрын

Post office has run it's course. We need to get rid and replace it with a completely new company. The people on charge during the scandals should be doing prison time. Executives in any other businesses would have been dragged over the coals for misleading the courts and covering it up. Why is the post office special? As should the government ministers who were aware. Being part of government or large public (or former public) institutions should not protect you from repurcussions of your actions

Ministers weren't asleep at the wheel, they were in on the grift

@noelfleming3567

4 ай бұрын

People vote them in to do what's best for society it's time to vote them out d exceptionalism in these people its becoming a joke all over d world people have to stand up to this disgrace 😮😮

@safeenachoud1903

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@wendysimpson6395

2 ай бұрын

Precisely.

Why did they sign off bonuses? Because they are all in it together.

It’s just blatant greed and corruption. Once again they are only sorry that they were caught. The systems are utterly broken.

@therealrobertbirchall

4 ай бұрын

The UK is completely broken

@paulcastle1718

2 ай бұрын

They think themselves untouchable !

Disgraceful and despicable that ministers were all cooking the books at the expense of the sub postmasters. 🇬🇧

@dafyddthomas7299

4 ай бұрын

Yep as usual mitts in the till and seems took one Post Office Master Alan Bates + his fellow PO M and his legal team and an excellent ITV Drama to get the GOV into gear to do something about injustice - shameful after all these years little or no action from the 7ories and Liberal Democrat Party; it's like the 7ories GE loss winning major incident that PM Theresa May face with her late and inaction visiting Grenfell Communities after the fire - RIP to the 72 of Grenfell.

@seanbrennan9188

4 ай бұрын

Should all be fired and clawback those sweet bonuses. Then charge them

A bonus? For attending a public enquiry? Why? What were they for? This is baffling. The sub post masters should be the ones getting bonuses for their services to the community....... Words fail me.

@gwyneth7812

4 ай бұрын

It is not that baffling once you go down the establishment rabbit hole - we are easy pickings for their insatiable greedy appetite.

How can you pay bonuses to people who can't do their jobs and keep the postmasters' waiting for their compensation

Given the quality of the evidence from some witnesses bonuses were certainly not merited….one woman answered everything with “I can’t remember” and “ I didn’t write this statement that has my signature on”…. Unbelievable….

@amiller1531

4 ай бұрын

DPS Computing has been covering it: www.youtube.com/@DPSComputing

@jamjar20049

4 ай бұрын

Slightly confusing two different but related issues. The video is about the present board of the PO who are responsible for disclosing information to the inquiry. For doing that they awarded themselves a handsome bonus despite not actually meeting their disclosure commitments. The investigators appearing in the inquiry were often given bonuses for getting guilty verdicts from innocent postmasters and post office clerks.

@judewestburner

4 ай бұрын

Her name is Elaine Cottam. Name and shame

@fuzzilu

4 ай бұрын

If she had stood up and shouted then about Horizon failing, and backed her staff, maybe things could have been so much different.

@brendamuirhead483

4 ай бұрын

@@jamjar20049 not confused at all…I commented on the merit of bonuses…bonuses were discussed in the dialogue…what did you not understand?

They throw money around like its confetti in the NHS too. But if your working class you get laughed at for wanting a 2% annual raise. ... 2% of next nothing I might add.

@saga5924

4 ай бұрын

They throw away grand sums of money to NHS Chief Executives and Directors and and don’t want to give money to Doctors at NHS who are struggling with cost of living crisis

@Drunkenmeows

4 ай бұрын

Public money. Always comes in and remember you gotta spend your budget to get the next round.

@iancockroft2874

4 ай бұрын

They throw our money around if it was their own it would be different

All executives get paid too much , why is this allowed, when they do absolutely next to nothing

@HoratioChinn

4 ай бұрын

These kinds of second rate executives are ten a penny. All they are there for is to keep the wheels turning and cut costs, no innovation or creative thoughts or actions required. For this they get paid handsomely.

@dafyddthomas7299

4 ай бұрын

The hunt of the dirty $ - where the upper staff like managers and CEO Get paid obsessive and obscene pay where the actual pleb workers who work their mitts off ( lot in offshore and poor countries like India) with poor workers rights and T&C's; as long as the share holders are happy to get their hands on their dirty $$ as well = Greed.

@garyh1572

4 ай бұрын

There is no one to stop them .

@dianeglanville

4 ай бұрын

WHAT DO PEOPLE EXPECT WITH THIS LOT ONLY LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES MONEY MONEY MUST BE FUNNY IN THER RICH WORLD

@gwyneth7812

4 ай бұрын

I would say they do a lot, they do a 'great job' at stealing from us.

How much worse can this get? They're just having a laugh . . .

@mastercabbage

4 ай бұрын

The British enjoy being miserable.

@julierogers1155

4 ай бұрын

They NEVER expected to have a light shown on ANY of this.

@cleopatra5682

4 ай бұрын

For as long as we just keep on obediently paying our taxes I suppose.. If we organised & on mass stopped paying, they might listen..

@ChoppingtonOtter

3 ай бұрын

They genuinely are laughing at us.

Is there no end to this National Scandal? Keep an eye on the inquiry, it`s shocking when you see the type of people those poor postmasters had to deal with. Shocking stuff, but when the inquiry has been scrutinised by the legal eagles and the police it should then be brought to The High Court of Criminal Justice. It needs to go through the proper system instead of the kangaroo courts that have been responsible for not seeing through this crime of epic scale from the moment it landed on it`s kangaroo desk.

@markbullen5989

4 ай бұрын

Don’t hold your breath. The legal system is at breaking point. My other point would be managers prosecuting mangers. Can’t see it myself.

I’m done with this government

@LoneSheWolf09

4 ай бұрын

I think the majority including myself are pretty much done with the government and their continuous corruption/theft.

@dianeglanville

4 ай бұрын

I Have Never trusted a tory all they think about is money

@Sujowi

4 ай бұрын

Good on you…but this could happen under any government. Too many group think turkeys in charge in bureaucracy…too many managers too scared to lose their jobs to say no!

Kwasi keeps popping up in scandals

@dafyddthomas7299

4 ай бұрын

and also some Limp Lab MPs - Q Ed Davey

@Mike_5

4 ай бұрын

@@dafyddthomas7299 Very good point Ed was particularly slippery over this issue

Excellent piece of journalism. Reports like these are the reason why Nadine Dorries tried to force the privatisation of Channel 4. Fortunately, she is far too dull to achieve anything.

Just when you think it just cannot possibly get any worse - it does. It utterly beggers-belief.

@ChoppingtonOtter

3 ай бұрын

This enquiry shocks at every turn. The standards of those running it, their "investigators" low intelligence levels and so on have been quite literally jaw dropping. You watch it and its hard to believe just how badly the organisation was run and how incompetent from their investigators upwards to the very top. If I had not seen it I don't think I would have believed it.

The uk business model is built on who your parents are, whi you know through which schools and universities you went to. Not on actual knowledge and ability in the real world.

They got paid public money for going to hearing into their mismanagement?

Excellent report!

The incompetence of all those responsible at the Post Office and in the Government is simply depressing.

Could it be that this was all signed off before the additional glare of publicity caused by the ITV drama? And the money would still be trousered now if it were not for that?

These bonuses are disgusting.... Its bribery... By the government to the guilty party.....??? What is that about? It's criminal act.

This smacks of the Tory’s saying turn up we will pay you and make it all go away. I will now go in to Rainhill and give her my support

When I was involved in engineering manufacture and then the construction industry, workers could earn bonuses for extra performance such as getting the job done quicker and saving the employer money and meeting shorter deadlines. No worker in my time got paid a bonus for just doing their standard job, only for working harder and putting in increased effort.

It is insane this government would still signed off this executives bonuses while the country's healthcare system, mental health, housing, train services and living standard all crumbles ??

During the select committee hearing they tried to put across the idea that the bonuses were paid, for helping with the inquiry, were by mistake!

EXCELLENT REPORTING!

Absolutely disgusting

@kurtgodel5236

4 ай бұрын

Yet typically British.

Shameful disgraceful disgusting bonuses being given during corruption and scandal.

And the subpostmasters money is still missing in the post office coffers. This just hets worse and worse!

In the meantime Data Protection and Digital Information Bill (DPDI) working it's way through Parliament with loopholes to allow snooping into pensioners' bank accounts.

Government find money for bonuses but no one questions where it's come from, whereas they scrutinise Labour's plans

@marksavage1108

Ай бұрын

Like Durrr it is taken from the company profits. so no need to question it, whereas its only right and proper to question labours claims. Like diane abbacus 100,000 new police for £30 each. so yeah question labour.

More reasons the UK needs democratically elected supervisory boards who can remove executives who are not doing the job they're supposed to do

@ibrstellar1080

4 ай бұрын

They would never allow it and even if they did it would be used to preotect Agenda's and push an alternative narrative.

Reward without responsibility same as when we payed (austerity) for the banking crisis of 2008.

@therealrobertbirchall

4 ай бұрын

Power without responsibility the is the prerogative of harlots throughout time.

Get these bonuses back! WTF 🤬

The Tories are beyond contempt.

It’s all the tories know how to do. Give CEOs bonuses. Even negligent CEOs. It’s how they’re taught.

@ibrstellar1080

4 ай бұрын

The Liebour party are no better and simply a red coloured turd opposed to the current blue turd.

Govts decide policys but have great difficulty in admitting mistakes. Eg - HS2, Smart Motorways, Brexit & various nhs/police/MoD scandals illustrate this trait. Thatcher threw herself on the pyre of the Poll Tax. "Politicians would rather destroy themselves than change" - WH Auden.

Saying "this is the honest answer" implies all previous answers were a lie. Although I do believe him when he says "I don't know".

Nobody in government or in charge at the PO will face any accountability whatsoever.

Someone should compile a video of all the times the government chooses not to respond. It's a lot!

Always money for bonuses….never money for workers…

Because the corrupt help the corrupt?

They were all incompetent and riding the gravy train! Justice is coming!

Because it's one big club! As George Calin said, and guess what? We're not in it, but, they are.

Imagine fucking up your job and getting a bonus

As usual, “It is not what you know…but who”. The Government must be held accountable for this entire evil scandal.

@marksavage1108

Ай бұрын

toxic tony hailed it as a roaring success, so which government? toxic tonys or the coalition farce. You have to remember vennels lied to the Parliamentary Committee hearing, which sort of gives those in government a pass. They will all point to that as a defense.

Sleeze and corruption this seems the norm for govenment and bosses🤬

Where is the compensation money due from Fujitsu. Are they waiting until the inquiry is completed. What happens if Fujitsu UK goes into liquidation would there be any money available for the SPMs compensation. Why is our Govt not ensuring that Fujitsu make available funds now thus ensuring Fujitsu can't dodge their financial responsibilities.

It's pissin' up peoples backs & telling them dont worry it's only rain .....

The entire Post Office board at the time of the Horizon fiasco should find themselves in the dock in front of a judge charged with perjury, ,obtaining money by deception etc for which they should be heavily fined and jailed if found guilty.

We lied, we ruined peoples lives, we jailed innocent people, we hid the truth, we've ruined the post office's image and are causing the tax payer a ton of money to pay these people back after we kept the money for ourselves.... I think we deserve a raise!

They are all rotten to the core.

Payback is insufficient

This is just another example of lazy, greedy senior civil servants signing off payments to other lazy, greedy senior civil servants.

UK corruption is crazy rn

Quite simple - them & us.

Shocking!

Why get paid for doing your job in shameful circumstances. This is screwing the public and shows a contempt. for the public purse and public money. Whoever put this forward is a disgrace. Rewards for failure at all times.

I’m so sick of the state of this country. Every time I see my pay slip and the hundreds of pounds I’m paying in taxes and for what? For those who are corrupt to make a pretty penny? This government is at utter disgrace.

The treasury was rewarding criminal negligence by PO management. Government ministers were criminally negligent for dismissing subpostmasters apeals for scrutiny into their treatment by the PO and failings in Horizon.

Right to jail

Brilliant reporting.

@ibrstellar1080

4 ай бұрын

Uk Column news exposes multiple Agenda's and the slow death of our Democracy.

For a secound I thought I was watching the most messed up episode of Yes Minister ever during this

ah sure just another day in tory party politics!

Badenoch can hardly keep the smirk of contempt from her face as she lies through her teeth.

We need to see Post Office executives doing jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.

Who was the sec of state when the bonuses were cooked up? Was it Kemi?

6:35 Liam " haha I'm afraid there is no money left" Byrne. some of us have not forgotten this holier than thou (now) Politician's behaviour.

Sickening example again if how it is in the system

And the sub postmaster get what? Nothing to date apparently

These people are totally scandalous and dishonest. Everyone involved should be in prison. Kwarteng must have his finances. Investigated as he must have made money from his own negligence. Badenock is only a step away from being found out as the biggest liar ever. She constantly has to deny wrongdoing ,smoke and fire comes to mind.

This should be replayed again and again such slimy cowards they should repay every penny plus interest

Neo Liberalism has taken UK to this sorry pass. 😢

@Tyrrituil

2 ай бұрын

They are economic vampires, sell off everything to themselves

Can these bonus's be reclaimed because of this sick farce ?

There is yet to be a named person in either the PO, Fujitsu or government who is under investigation. Why isn't this also treated as scandalous?

@Ian-mj4pt

4 ай бұрын

Because the big names have all the others to take the fall

We had a local Post Office where Martin ran this because he was a middle aged Scientist that became Redundant when the Research Institute lost its government support. Type 2 Diabetic and without warning he had gone, no warning. That Post Office is now a Hairdresser and we were saved, much later, by having a satellite office set up 2 mornings a week within the village shop. This scandal EXPLAINS why Martin left without any warning, the Post Office came with a Flat above so he LOST his home and job. It is NOT just financial destruction it is their community standing, friends and lastly we the community lost out. We are lucky that we have 2 mornings a week but ONLY the recovery of ALL Bonuses paid to Executives and Senior Management from the Day of launch of Horizon until now should be acceptable. PAY COMPENSATION FOR DESTROYING LIVES.

Lies. Lies. If you can lie - you can get a job on the PO Board.

And tried to get a tax rebate on the compensation.

We are now living in a Banana Republic, without any bananas or nice weather.

The government do nothing and will not bother about things like this. If they could be bothered to do anything they would not have (SAT ON THEIR HANDS FOR YEARS)

They all.need to have them revoked

Why all these bonuses? Are they not paid enough for their safe jobs?

3:55 it sounds like he's saying they should be paid the bonuses after the enquiry rather than not being paid

NOW THIS IS GOOD JOURNALISM

Why are they getting a bonus anyway Don't they get wages. I never got a bonus when I went to work.

Close down, and none of them should be reemployed in the same industry

We don't have a functioning government in the UK

These people responsible for this are the worst criminals imaginable and should be in jail for life.

It’s Obvious this Country has gone to 💩

how is the external scrutiny going?

Why not make a TV drama about this very topic like "Mr Bates and the Post Office" call it "I don't believe it ". How do these parasites sleep at night ???

Prosecution for profit. Post Office made money off Sub-postmasters and the execs got a big healthy share of the proceeds.

Accountants when something goes wrong or senior management, do something wrong, they just resign. it systemic throughout the whole of the industry it’s been happening for years. They build it within their contract, so they say. And that’s how they get round it. It’s including government departments as well as civil. They just resign and take a large sum of money plus their bonuses, plus they are paid up to the end of the annual year. A lot of retainer bonuses. Which in my eyes, unfortunately the public has to pay for or the companies have to pay for and it’s very wrong. It’s happening for years like this. It’s not the first time and it won’t be the last this is how it goes on within the pen. Pusher society is harsh, but that’s the reality of what we live in and have been living in for decades.

Did not one person not stand up and say 'this isn't morally right'? It pretty much shows the level of morality that individuals at this level of management have, and how they view those below them. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYWu1KRsm9jXk84.html

@kurtgodel5236

4 ай бұрын

Not just one, but all did not stand up and say 'this isn't morally right'. After all, this is Brexit-Britain.

this is what i have been wondering,did this scandal go beyond those sociopaths in the post office?

Pigs at the trough.

There seems to be no end to this cess pit.

Civil Service employees TOTALLY BORED STIFF … & Just signing OFF , the next sheet of paper placed in front of them !,,…

It's why business must be kept away from government.