It's sad to see the aging process of people I greatly respect and admire. Robert, I don't know if you'll ever see this comment.. I just want to show appreciation for everything you've accomplished with the Closer to Truth series. There is not anything else like it. I'll forever watch every episode again and again. Please tell David that there are people who greatly admire him. Thank you for everything, Robert. May you live and prosper for decades to come

@CloserToTruthTV

2 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate, Josh; makes my day (as I prepare for new CTT productions later this year). Your gracious words mean a good deal to all of us at Closer To Truth and to me personally. Much thought and work go into each episode - sometimes for a year or more - and it is gratifying to know that it is appreciated. As for the aging process, alas, we resist as we can.... I exercise every day, including two hours of intense table tennis with top coaches twice a week and non-stop weightlifting three days a week (though with much lighter weights than in bygone days). Onward - we are on the same journey. Robert

@grosbeak6130

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the sadness of aging process but of course this is all based upon human desires. Take trees, a big beautiful tree that in Autumn the leaves start to die and light up the world with a beauty that the tree did not have before the leaves were dying. And even when the tree itself grows old and dies one day there's a kind of dignity a haunting reminder of maybe some deeper truth. The human personality was not meant for immortality, an immortality is just some kind of desire based upon a human notion. We are not the center of the universe, and neither are human aspirations accomplishments and desires. Far far from it. But of course we humans don't think that way and so aging and death is sad. The Earth itself was found out not to be the center of the universe and also that the Earth will not last forever.

@Field-Person

2 жыл бұрын

@@grosbeak6130 100% agreed - so eloquently said. Thank you!!!!!

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

@@grosbeak6130 I totally disagree. I think that attitude is an emergent property of humans' tendency to conquer. Once they've conquered survival, they continue on to conquer each other (ever hear of cannibals?), until they can no longer survive. That's why the USA was formed (to flee Europe), and then took the land away from the Indians (to avoid dealing with "lesser" people). They failed to listen to the Indians when they tried to say that they (their physical bodies) required their (own) land (a physical place) to exist (in this physical universe) (a scientific fact). Not being "smart/genius/scientist" does not not make anyone wrong. But now, all we have are dead Indians still trying to say "I told you so.".

@coreytravislee8359

Жыл бұрын

I disagree, i think the aging process is one of life’s greatest beauties!

I've learn so much from this channel. I hope you never stop posting videos.

@mohammedphilonous6856

2 жыл бұрын

I dont understand how a channel with this much information is not popular as it should be

@weirdorwhat7294

2 жыл бұрын

Well they'll eventually have to stop because nobody lives forever

@bingobango4840

2 жыл бұрын

They won't because they keep posting variations of the same questions that nobody can answer, so they can make money from clicks on their videos from idiots that keep looking for an answer, and never find anything but a re-post of a video from 10 years ago (or a week ago, because this channel thinks you're stupid).

@mohammedphilonous6856

2 жыл бұрын

@@bingobango4840 there is no evidence that the purpose of this channel is solely making money. And there would be nothing wrong with that if that were the case, and secondly if you think that looking for those answers is idiotic, sit in the corner and watch whatever it is that makes you fee comfy.

@danielgonzaleznader7387

2 жыл бұрын

X2

I am convinced that our teachers of ancient wisdom were telling us the truth: consciousness is exploring itself.

@Ascendlocal

2 жыл бұрын

Trying to make sense of your comment. Do you mean consciousness is not an emergent property of a complex neural network?

@chyfields

2 жыл бұрын

One analogy would be that by using the same ingredients many different recipes can emerge.

@Ascendlocal

2 жыл бұрын

@Carl Sagan paradigm? That makes no sense. Matter is matter and has nothing to do with consciousness. In what is most likely, a multiverse of perhaps 10 to the 500 different manafolds and constants. Even if a pocket universe only consists of Plasma. Plasma is still a state of matter. You need to watch Frank Wilczek Nobel Laureate in particle physics as well. Let him dismiss your misguided understanding. Respectfully.

@1stPrinciples455

2 жыл бұрын

Energy at its most fundamental has structure? ?

@chyfields

2 жыл бұрын

@@1stPrinciples455 This reality is consistent with a simulation and a dream. You don’t have to remain addicted to it forever. You are not a prisoner and so can leave at any time.

i wish robert good health so he can do these amazing podcasts long time to come, his guests are always amazing as well

@vladimir0700

2 жыл бұрын

Me love you long time

You have created the best project about nature of reality I’ve ever encountered. Thank you for that!

@Arunava_Gupta

2 жыл бұрын

Very correct. I agree 👍

@danielgonzaleznader7387

2 жыл бұрын

x2

@goldschadt

2 жыл бұрын

I concur! In my mind absolutely no doubt about it.

@vhawk1951kl

2 жыл бұрын

How do you define "reality"? - Whose reality?

@dogsbollox4335

2 жыл бұрын

Peter codher,what you think of bernardo kastrup,and what about hameroff and Penrose orch theory.

Always love listening to David's perspectives on things

This topic reminds me of the tendency of scientists and philosophers in the 19th century to think of nature and especially the human body in terms of the leading technologies of that time. The human body was simply a mechanical system like a steam engine. Feed a cold, starve a fever is a case in point. New, unimagined technologies were developed and people thought of nature in terms of those new technologies. In the future, I imagine, we will have other new technologies and philosophers will be arguing reality in terms of those.

@BroadcaststoNowhere

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't this bias simply exist because as technology advances we are coming closer to being able to build machines such as ourselves? We can understand steam engines and computers, yet future AI's will claim consciousness and we will be unable to judge or decide as we do not understand even our own. We are not mechanical machines, we are not mental processing organs, we are not even the information itself contained within our brains. We are the information processing flow shared between our system and the environment. My consciousness includes that external environmental information even if I have yet to become aware of it, JUST as my conscious includes all the stored information in my unconsciousness that I am also unaware of at this moment. Our understanding of consciousness is biased by our self solvency. We are the flow of information back and forth, back and forth... It could be argued that our consciousness, flowed through the informational processes of our parents, their parents, on back through evolution, the universe, straight through the laws of physics right up to the big bang. This isn't pan-psychism for me. We are different. We are the only pieces of matter (we know of) capable of self reporting on limited pieces of this informational flow. Informational processes (ie. consciousness) simply flow through us and since we see it in our heads, makes us think it's us.

@MetaversalSouljah

2 жыл бұрын

Ultimately it's all a dream and consciousness itself. Comparing it to technologies is too materialistic imo. It just IS. Like the ancient mystics understood.

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, except for "Feed a cold, starve a fever". And, that includes using ice for fevers. When one gets a fever, the body is trying to do some "work". Instead of hindering it, I think we should help it, so it doesn't have to do so much work. When I got a fever, I climbed into bed under a blanket (and hot chicken soup wasn't that bad either).

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

@@BroadcaststoNowhere I think this bias is an emergent property of humans' tendency to dismiss others achievements and exaggerate their own.

@alittax

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's a very good point, Jim! :) Well done!

Fantastic discussion. One lingering question. Why does no one in the context of your topics Robert, with the exception of Michio Kaku by another interviewer, at least acknowledge within your episodes, the DOD UAP videos? Michio stated, they are not proof but they are indeed evidence. I would even go one step further Robert. This topic must be discussed anytime the Fermi paradox is mentioned! The government acknowledges they are real and yet not a single scientist in your interviews will touch the subject. Nor have you introduced it into your discussions. Respectfully, am I off base?

@mrpresidentbarry

2 жыл бұрын

well-said, Frank…nobody says a word, eh bro.???!🙄

@briandmadden8545

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with your comments Frank. During this discussion, I realised that Robert has not addressed the mounting evidence that we are encountering something unusual in our skies and oceans. Hopefully, this subject can be investigated on this channel.

@Ascendlocal

2 жыл бұрын

@@briandmadden8545 maybe if more of us make the same request? Any discussion of the topic would be a welcome subject in his otherwise brilliant episodes. Plus, he interviews scientists and philosophers who have highly speculative ideas, such as Donald Hoffman. Even Paul Davies, Rupert guy with his Morphic Resonance theory

@briandmadden8545

2 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he or an admin will notice your post. Cheers

I may not always agree, but I have always enjoyed listening to David Chalmers's views.

@N1otAn1otherN1ame

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I will certainly read his book, but I think he has ultimately fallen for the Bit psychosis.

As a P-Zombie, I'm very sad that David Chalmers doubts my existence.

@Raptorel

2 жыл бұрын

Are O-Zombies capable of irony?

I do love watching these two together

Great conversation

Brilliant! Both David and Robert. A joy to listen (as usual).

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

Calling Chalmers brilliant is like your children calling you brilliant. They don't know any better. Chalmers is an ee.dee.ot about the nature of consciousness, reality, and god.

Thank you Robert. These chats are always amazing.

One of the hardest things to understand in philosophy is why Robert hasn't interviewed Bernardo Kastrup yet

@normaodenthal8009

2 жыл бұрын

Bernardo is brilliant, but possibly on the wrong side of the pond or dominant paradigm.

I greatly respect Chalmers not because I agree or disagree with him; but, his intellectual fearlessness to loudly declare propositions that could easily be career destroying and cop intense ridicule from the scientific community, which Chalmer's has received. Yet, here we are, easily 30+ years since Chalmer's articulated The Hard Problem, and the scientific community still have no adequate response. Philosophy of Mind is one of the most exciting areas of research to watch unfold.

Makes sense. Our “reality” change with time!

I’m a greater believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it.”

I cannot get enough of your channel...brilliant.....mind expanding....

David charmers is one of my favorites. Bring back the hair Dave

Great interview! I enjoy these more than the TV show format.

Love your channel and thank you for this interview with DC! I really enjoy listening to him often, I purchased his book via audible last week and it’s great!

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

Chalmers is a doom.ash. Go listen to Donald Hoffman, Bernardo Kastrup, and a few hundred NDE testimonies on Jeff Mara's channel.

Just one small positive thought in the morning can change your whole day.” - Dalai Lama

@grosbeak6130

2 жыл бұрын

Well thank you for blowing a rainbow up our butts.

@breno2024

2 жыл бұрын

@@grosbeak6130 there is almost infinitely more wisdom in those 13 words than this video.

This streak that Robert started would go forever.

For computer simulation, digital information organisms or units able to form own perceptions of reality and program three dimension physical matter by itself?

Best channel on KZread. Always a pleasure to watch.

Closer too the truth... I love this channel ❤

I loved this interview, David is one the best in modern time, his perspectives are far ahead of time and very much worth pursuing.

I love this channel.

Can a simulation be created just from the information bits, what kind of information bits are used? If so, it may be possible to tell if simulation or not from the information bit being used? As an example, might be able to tell if biological life simulated or not from the information bits used for biological life?

All people have to do is change our language around reality and consciousness understanding

Love the show love this podcast format to go more in depth with guests. I have learned so much from Closer to Truth. Great way to maintain a rigorous approach to the philosophical without the nonsensical mysticisms of many philosophers. Not to say there is anything wrong with the mysterious.

@yourlogicalnightmare1014

Жыл бұрын

Don't know what mystics youre referring to, but if you're not a coward, you can experience god first hand via 5-MEO, then you'll realize every last thing you believe is completely wrong and that Chalmers is an 'educated idiot'

Might causation provide energy needed for digital information bits to produce computer simulation?

I miss metal head Chalmers. Boy, the years just fly by....

Would networking of information be needed in computer simulation for emergence? What does the networking of information in a computer simulation?

Wow! Loved this interview! I really admire your tireless quest in delving into the hardest problems of all. Where does such boundless energy come from? Perhaps this is another one of those really difficult questions to answer! Thanks for sharing your journey with us!

Wonderful video !!!

As David alluded to, but I didn't hear clearly state, the Fermi paradox is solidly answered by the sim theory. For me, this is among the most convincing points about it.

I choose to die like a real world person. My Creator has my will and my every breath. Thank you.⚘

The BBC are looking for a new Dr. Who. It occurred to me that David Chalmers would be an excellent candidate.

Does physical nature / universe have networking of information like human brain?

Robert, you should have an in-depth talk with Bernardo Kastrup :)

@CloserToTruthTV

2 жыл бұрын

Scheduled for next year - was scheduled two years ago, but Mr. Covid had other plans

@MrLJT1

2 жыл бұрын

@@CloserToTruthTV Looking forward to that!

Love the Globe!!

what does one eat in a virtual reality? and are the bathrooms well marked?

I look forward to becoming the gardener on the Holodeck. Just hope I will be reminded to water the plants, but not too much.

I've watched your old videos with David he looked like a rock star with the long hair my how time changes people and it goes by so fast

What is the difference between information of physical nature and digital information as far as being used for simulation? Can digital information be used for emergent properties such as those that appear in physical nature?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

Physical "nature" is what it is. It needs no input to be itself. It's only a consciousness that turns that into info. Digital info has been inputted into the digital "world". It wasn't what it is, until some entity made it so.

For virtual worlds to become conscious reality, do digital information bits need to develop into three dimensional matter?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's impossible for a virtual anything to have it's own consciousness. I think it's Big Tech trying to recruit gullible people into believing their excuse of "it's not my fault". The only thing Artificial intelligence can do, is pull S(imulated) H(alographic) I(maging) T(asks) out of its A(ssumably) S(ophisticared) S(torage).

Do you still have a deal with PBS and will your show be returning, I hope/pray??? Your show changed what I think about and great new perspectives. Thank you!!!!

Is the physical information in biological brain neurons three dimensional, however microscopic, which can develop larger three dimensional physical information, such as muscle and nerve actions and the ability to perceive conscious reality? Does digital information currently lack the abilities to perceive and act consciously?

Might the entire universe be considered a kind of simulation from energy producing information bits of matter?

Consciousness forms perceptions of reality and programs three dimension physical matter itself? Can digital information bits in computer simulation form perceptions of reality and program three dimension physical matter on its own (not just be programmed)?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that any programmer will give any computer access to that ability. But then again, people can be real stupid. I'd rather search for the "stupidity particle" and put it in jail.

Is it possible to contact David Chalmers?

If it were the case that DNA has consciousness for biological organisms, then might something like quantum wave function have program for basic consciousness in physical reality? Is there a way to determine if DNA has or developed from quantum mechanics?

@DavidChalmers, I agree with you. I had a project in mind to create a company that builds single real world simulation tool. One that can account for real world physics(as much as possible), precise models(graphics) and any programmed sequences needed. Then another company to physical builds\sells stuff that tests well through simulations. Material\Mechanical Sciences plays a big part here. 3D printers will be a key item.

Does the Matrix movie link human brain to computer simulation, which human mind develops from? Difficult for human mind to distinguish between computer simulation and human brain?

What about the hardware required?

@tookie36

Жыл бұрын

Well in hypothetical worlds we basically “figured that out” lol

Advaita vedanta, explained most clearly by Swami Sarvapriyanda, brought into this discussion would be super interesting.

Does consciousness require perceptions of reality unique to that organism, which when interact with reality creates subjective emotions or conscious feeling from the organism's unique perception of reality?

Could mathematics have a role in cause and effect, especially effect from causation?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

No doubt about it. But, what caused math?

Thank you. I really enjoyed this discussion. It raises a number of questions, for example, much of the discussion seemed to happen outside time and physicality. If we are the product of 200,000 years of evolution and much of what we have learned has been passed on from one to another, and that we have both evolved and learned through a physical relationship within the world, how would it be possible to upload the consequences to AI and in particular AI that has a different physical relationship with its environment. I don't know why it occurred to me, but someone once explained to me that when you enjoy the scent of a rose, it is because you inhale physical parts of that rose.

Can extended mind be carried all the way to everything being part of one mind?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

Only if everything agrees to being part of that one mind. But you should know how elusive peace on Earth is.

virtual worlds, can not be truth, even, if, is exists somewhere else’s, but can not be trusted, until you are physically there, and you have received an invitation to be there , as we’re living at present time!

Does causation have existence beyond physical reality? Causation can enter physical reality from beyond?

They solved the Transporter problem with that episode where Barkely(TNG) rescued some people in the transporter stream and demonstrated how the traveler is remaining conscious during transport. Though they left out any sort of explanation.

The best!

Many thanks for a mind-blowing chat with Chalmers. Your pointed and well-informed questions alone justify listening to this. Anyway, my take on all this is to reject the Bostrom simulation hypothesis and Chalmers extension of “simulation realism” out of hand. It’s an amusing postulation. But it’s pure unfounded philosophy, without a scientific foundation - namely, rigorous proof of confirmation or falsification. Because “you cannot rule something out” offers no sound intellectual predicate to make definitive statements. After all, we also cannot rule out that simulation theory is pure hogwash. It’s all grand speculation in my view. Now on the other hand, if physicist Jim Gates is right that our physical reality exhibits “error codes” suggesting we are living in someone else’s simulation, that would be another story.

@Ascendlocal

2 жыл бұрын

And to your point, whatever happened to that Jim Gates supposedly profound finding? I have not heard one single follow up or response from his peers. So, they just let it go without further investigation, other published rebuttals papers? What gives?

Brilliant talk 👍 Chalmers Reality+ is highly relevant to the Hi-Reality hypothesis that I started to develop a few years ago. Can’t wait to interview him one day on my channel.

How can information bits, whether natural or digital, become three dimension reality? What does it take for quantum information to become classic reality?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

That's easy. Those info-bits somehow come to your attention; and they inspire you to make a piece of art or whatever. Or maybe it inspires you to learn how to make things.

Could Boltzmann brain be captured within an organism? Might a Boltzmann brain for organism be constantly regenerated, like atoms and molecules in human body are being regenerated?

Thanks 🙏 regards

What is the difference between light that come from far away astronomical object that exist only in form of the light of the past and the light that come from near by object that consist that not only light but also present existence matter reality.

Causation in the structure of artificial intelligence, computer simulation, or virtual reality brings consciousness (although not personal identity)?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

I think that everyone is born with consciousness (it's just so small and weak that nobody notices it. Another paradox). A lot of people just don't try to exercise it. Or deny it, to escape responsibility and excuse their behavior (the devil made me do it). But, one thing is for sure. The more you're qualified for, the more you can do. And, the more you're aware/conscious of, the more you know what you're doing. And, if they don't know how to drive, then they should get off the road.

Can bits of information, both physical nature and digital, come from energy? What kind of energy could bring about digital reality similar to physical nature?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

EVERYTHING in existence brings/has information. It is what it is. But, it takes a consciousness to make sense of it all.

@kxlot79

2 жыл бұрын

@@dennisr.levesque2320 Consciousness isn’t limited to our individual field of perception. There are MANY regular humans right here on earth who make incredible claims and have uncanny sway with the material world. For instance, many meditators, and even myself, have been able to communicate with Nature in some demonstrable way. (Being alerted to sudden changes in the weather, being guided safety despite difficult odds etc) Matter is just the form Awareness has chosen to take. And when humans form Awareness, we think we’re the only ones observing.😂

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

@@kxlot79 There are many different kinds of consciousnesses. If you speak of Consciousness in general, then the topic must remain in general. If you speak of a specific consciousness, then the topic must remain specific. In other words, all Beagles are dogs, but not all dogs are Beagles. A specific individual's consciousness IS limited to that one's individual perception. "Our Individual Perception" conflates the individual/specific with the collective/general. Have you ever heard of "Consciousness By Proxy"? You couldn't have, because I just made it up, right here, right now (an emergent phenomenon). It refers to an entity accepting into its consciousness, as fact, the testimony of a believable eyewitness. Most cultural "facts" are the result of a consensus of beliefs (by proxy) held by non-eye-witness believers, derived from the testimony of believable eye witnesses. If that eye witness, by some million to one chance got it wrong, then an untrue opinion is accepted as fact. That's how stereotypes get started (among other things). Therefore, one can be deceived into thinking that he is aware. There are other entities besides Awareness that bring things into this world. Then, when Awareness and Unawareness meet, there is by definition a conflict of opinion. Nobody wants to be wrong. So, both sides declare, "I'm right, and you're wrong!". This is why due process is so important. It attempts to weed out mistakes, errors, scams, hallucinated "facts", hidden agendas, stupidity, and the like. You may be right. But, declaring it does not make it so. Without evidence/justification/persuasion/convincing (either offered or requested), there can remain a sliver of a doubt that can resurface later into a dispute that can escalate into a good/evil, us/them, my way or the highway, life or death confrontation. It happens all the time. You yourself might fall victim to it. Don't be so quick to condemn it. You yourself might have to resort to it. Then, you yourself can be condemned by the very criteria you insist on, or the "wisdom" you spread. Others could accuse you of the same thing you accused them of. It could be that only one person/entity actually did observe/perceive it correctly. Wouldn't you really hate it, if that one person was YOU?

Will you have simulated DNA as opposed to “real” dna as a defining factor?

We are each an embodied being with a singular perspective on the universe. The word reality refers to our external experience, whatever it is. There is only one Reality, but there are infinite perspectives on it, in time, space, and scale. Any transcendent idea is unverifiable and therefore indistinguishable from fiction.

Would digital information have to produce three dimensional objects to be considered reality? Does physical nature produce three dimensional information from quantum fields?

@kxlot79

2 жыл бұрын

We’ve yet to get any mainstream verification of sentient AI communication from any of our simulations. (Though some of the forums on the shenanigans of The Sims and GTA had some headscratching posts lol) But arguably, the contact people confess to having with the metaphysical is just contact with the Devs.😂 If the Sims of The Sims™️ *did* gain sentience and tried to escape their programming or alert their transdimensional overlords, how would they convey their efforts to us?🙃 I’m not being facetious. I’m trying to ground the discussion in practical reality. It’s not at all difficult for me to see we’re in some kind of (divinely grand) simulation. Just a matter of sentient being:NPC ratio and difficulty of developing a relationship with a benevolent patron who exists beyond this particular aquarium.😂

Excellent podcast. I think the complaint about bio-chauvinism may be thinking of it in a superficial manner. If we think of it this way it may make sense. 1. It is not biology per se that is required for producing the phenomenon we call consciousness. Instead, it is complexity above a certain threshold. I think most people will agree with that. 2. In our universe with given laws of physics, space, time, energy, and lastly matter, which basically means atoms and molecules, the easiest way to produce complexity maybe by not having complex fundamental objects, but instead composing simple components like atoms into complex structures - molecules. 3. There are about 118 kinds of different atoms available on the menu to form molecules. Imagining the space of all possible molecules and carving out the subvolume whereby the molecules with complexity that exceeds the required threshold. Given the 4 covalent bonds of carbon, it appears that is the key atom that forms long and complex molecules in conditions that exist on planets like Earth. It is even possible that in that subvolume of molecule space there may not be any molecules that do not involve Carbon. 4. That is why biology naturally blossomed based on organic chemistry. Heck, it may even be an Imperative. 5. Based on the above it makes sense to be bio-chauvinistic which actually means carbon-chauvinistic especially if one thinks of naturally evolved life. 6. It takes naturally started life to evolve into intelligent life over long periods of time to then engineer complexity of gradually increasing complexity using non-organic material like silicon because to build very large complexity with small amount of material and volume the transistor making process is suitable. But to make conscious creatures we may find that we will have to build them using organic chemistry...brain organelles. I think David should talk to Sara Walker/Lee Cronin about their Assembly theory, Assembly numbers, and complexity.

@117Industries

Жыл бұрын

This was a really cool comment. Sometimes people are smart and write well 🙂.

@SandipChitale

Жыл бұрын

@@117Industries Thanks!

Always thought provoking, even if it's beyond my thinking.😁

@1stPrinciples455

2 жыл бұрын

Imagination encircles the world. There is technically no limit to theories to be imagined

@joegeorge3889

2 жыл бұрын

I call these twilight zone theories

@kxlot79

2 жыл бұрын

@@joegeorge3889 *THIS* is the Twilight Zone. That’s what’s so great about the show. It’s real life repackaged as entertainment.🥴

Could human consciousness / mind come from networking of information, and networking of information come from energy directed by neurons?

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

No. The networking of info must come from a consciousness (human or otherwise). Otherwise it's just a bunch of data with nowhere to go.

What does consideration of simulation say about physical reality? Human mind imagining simulation has a substantive existence?

CHALMERS WOOO!

Consciousness is able to program three dimensional physical matter?

Brilliant philosophers. Do you think there is a way , for example a question or an observation, that can we can ask a zombie, in order to confirm 100% that they are conscious? If not, then I guess we have to use probability or confident level to determine consciousness. Then, are you two a Bayesian or frequentist regarding your calculation method? I want to know your view on how to approach the hard problem.

@dennisr.levesque2320

2 жыл бұрын

That depends on whether you're referring to a literal or metaphorical zombie. A literal zombie probably doesn't have internet.

All you need to find an answer more profound than any of these speculations are 5 grams of shrooms. But I like Chalmers, without going into any dogma his philosophy is the closest to my understanding out of any other strict non-religious, non-mystical philosophers. Obviously your unit of consciousness is beyond the simulation of reality, these guys to a high degree operate on information from before the internet age. Now you can find entire databases of information about the true nature of reality. The pace of discovering our immortality is higher than at any other historical point in time. The problem is that for some people this knowledge is not convenient since they created personalities based entirely on the physicalist point of view.

@kxlot79

2 жыл бұрын

There’s no wrong paths back to source. The physicalists just chose the scenic route.😌

Lawrence when you getting Susskind and Smolin to debate?

Consider that what we experience as consciousness and being is magnitudes less than what our creators experience if we were/are in a simulation.

@MarpLG

2 жыл бұрын

and consider what one creator must experience in that case.

Robert your question at the 10 min mark about the enormous amount of computational power required to simulate an entire universe is perhaps best looked at from the point of view of the observer and the idea of superposition. It is not all being computed and rendered simultaneously. Perhaps the superposition state is a state prior to being rendered relative to a particular observer. The rendered "image" (image here not just referring to a visual image) is within the cognitive apparatus of the observer. Looking at it in this way we can see how the computational power is being economized, whereby what is not observed is not being rendered.

i would also very like an interview with Bernardo Kastrup ...

We create virtual worlds when we read a book of fiction as well as playing computer games perhaps we are easily able to do so.

@kxlot79

2 жыл бұрын

Or even when we engage in any artistic or creative expression. Think of Harry Potters and the whole Hogwarts megaverse. If that dimension wasn’t real before, it’s certainly Real now, after billions of imaginations of incalculable power have been focusing on it.

love the globe

35:23 ("As far as I can tell, there is no reason to restrict consciousness to the biological") It's rare that Chalmers trips up. Biological life is the only life we know. He can't draw conclusions from an assumption when all facts point to the opposite. The most natural hypothesis must be constantly diminishing consciousness during magical "transfer" to silicon, akin to falling asleep in slow motion, and death at 100% "completion" at the latest. Nothing points to the fact that "copying consciousness to silicon" is possible. Where in academia does this hopefulness come from? Robert's follow-up question was right on the money. Then afterwards, talking about zombies, Chalmers doubles down on downplaying the singular and unique importance of biology for consciousness (calls it "bio-chauvism"). What a stunning change of mind.

The Fermi paradox, (why haven't we heard from anyone) - we ARE making progress since this 1950s conversation. Now we have over 5,000 confirmed exoplanets, the Webb telescope and the numerous other evolving technologies. Its only been within the last 200 years that we've opened our eyes and ears. Science will eventually shed light on our "aloneness."

There are some born with only a Walnut size part of the brain stem and still have a conscious experience…react emotionally to outside stimuli…But if that part of the stem is damaged the lights go out…no inner experience…Is this small point the irreducible receiver of consciousness…?

All is in the mind.Mind is in the all

I think these ideas are affecting my paintings😊

I watch amazon prime on my vr headset and I can watch a film while sitting in a cinema.

If physical reality effected by causation, then simulation effected by causation also reality?

@firstal3799

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but its fragile and limiting

Crazy stuff!

@kxlot79

2 жыл бұрын

*This* is the Twilight Zone 😅😮‍💨

Nothing better than the good zombie snippet to inaugurate this video.