"Whenever you violate one of your values, you're gonna be stressed." I liked that one a lot. Thought provoking.

Jim and Dave spoke for close to 3 hours so there will be several more videos.

Thanks guys. This was my question from Instagram, I appreciate you addressing it and really enjoyed the answers. Especially the tangents, glad it sparked the deeper conversation about philosophy of training.

I knew Jim was a metalhead when he did that growl/scream when talking about the Olympic weightlifters. That takes practice lol.

@grizzlymanverneteil4443

6 жыл бұрын

Lol that made me jump. He needs to join a band if he ain't in one yet.

@miahmcbride5415

4 жыл бұрын

@@grizzlymanverneteil4443 His bands name is Locust Whip and they fucking slay.

Always wondered about frequency vs. PEDs or no PEDs. Really glad you took that question! You guys are raw and uncut. Loving it.

I want the peptide program!!

This is so absolutely true. Absolutely. You have to match your training to your principles and personality. Much more valid advice than most people realize. Man.....

Explaining the difference between "More and Better". Dialoguing this on a daily basis as a coach with my audience. Great to see you guys. You both spoke, via Tour de Force, at Axis Performance Center in Menlo Park, CA. I absolutely loved it!

What I took from this video:1. Get a lot of experience.2. Listen to Neurosis.3.You'll figure out everything after steps 1 & 2.

Awesome. Can't wait to come out for the seminar in September...

This will be the single greatest inside look at training on the internet. It already is. Much wisdom being passed out for free.

These questions are more complicated than people(and myself) realize. So they deserve deep answers. That's why I like watching Dave Tate. He thinks things through with his guests.

Great table talk, wish Jim and Dave did more of them together

Neurosis, fantastic band. This was a fantastic, and insightful talk into getting one's own philosophy and getting to what habits work for them.

Wow, sacrificing your values = stress. Looking back, that is so true. The more years I lift, the more I find the artistry and philosophy I never knew existed in developing your body. Oddly enough, focusing on my body doesn’t equate to vanity, not any more at least. It gives me peace, focus and accomplishment. When I removed the vanity, the stress decreased. Thanks guys!

A very thought-provoking and stimulating talk. Thanks fellas

Hahaha, being a long time metalhead I can't help but giggle looking at the compulsiveness and patterns in Jim's finger drumming :D

Definetly looking forward to more table talk with Wendler

Always good to see these dudes. Genius comes in all packages. Not just scrawny nerds.

Lol, the contempt for the first question asked was priceless.

Strong out-angling skills by Dave....LOL

@mikehogan5087

5 жыл бұрын

Lol

Pure gold, thank you guys!

Yet again another video that's worth gold

More of Jim and Dave please!

"this is way off topic" but it was exactly what I needed to hear.

5/3/1 is an excellent program as someone new to powerlifting and with 6 years of overall lifting experience. The end.

a great book "the one thing" by gary keller, of keller williams realty, states you need to find that one thing that your good at and focus on it. It sounds like dave tate has figured that out. A little off topic. But this is a great video series.

11:20, there may be something to that. A friend of mine just started tren and he swears he can't last more than an hour in the gym because the pump becomes so unbearable he simply can't contract effectively. Although apparently the solution is splitting daily volume into AM/PM sessions.

Two of my absolute favorites.

two of the realist no Bullshit kind of guys telling it like it is keep it up fellas!!

I love listening to Jim talk

Did you make a video with Jim's philosophy as well as expand on Dave's? Great video!

I love these dudes. Raw.

My coach writes a bad ass program and it's just right. Making steady natty gains for the last 2 years. And if i ever want to stick the needle in, I'm already prepared. But I still have another 6 years of training before I can think about the juice. So to answer WEndler's desire to hear from the frequency for me, a natural lifter--- train 3 days per week. One day is a mock meet, and the other two are close grip and safety bar squats along with heavy heavy assistance work. And it's up to me to train hard and make the correcgt decisions along the way to learn how to train best, to learn MY powerlifting body.

this is straight real talk no bs just saying it the way it is

I think bro splits are more successful for enhanced lifters due to protein synthesis being elevated for longer, but any well respected strength program is for any lifter. Good video.

@grizzlymanverneteil4443

6 жыл бұрын

I'd agree.

Wendell dipping made this video even better haha

Love Dave's T-shirt

This was great.

Good shit real talk!!😎

Jim is dropping some serious gems

What is the intro music?

Block, linear, concurrent.... how about all three concurrently?

I have seen a program just for people taking drugs- from Fred Hatflied, classic template used by some Czech powerlifters. Multiple spreadsheets from Boris Sheiko include so much volume...its impossible to finish them without drugs either.

@Petarosus

5 жыл бұрын

Drugs also allow unnaturally fast increase in weight used during training cycle... SO you can take lot more volume (faster recovery) and you can count on little faster strenght progress.. So... IM sorry...

but Jason blaha told me it was all drugs and nothing else!!! haha good video guys

@WalterSobchak91

8 жыл бұрын

the whole 80% clean thing is probably an exaggeration, why would you have people even competing in tested divisions then? Why would untested even exist? I'm not even sure its safe to say 80% of IPF lifters are natural

@raketsteffe

8 жыл бұрын

hahahahahaha FUCKING NONE OF THE BEST LIFTERS IN THE WORLD ARE NATURAL NONE NONE NONE NONE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

@eliteftsofficial

8 жыл бұрын

+stfu donny look at the top 50 lists on powerlifting watch and look at the bottom of the list. Image then that there are another 300-500 lifters who's lifts didn't make it. The three main lists account for around 2000 lifters. With 15,000 lifters only the top 13% make the top 50. Do you think the lifters at the low end of the top 50 list are using PEDS? Look at the numbers. What about the thousands of lifters who don't make the list? Drugs are part of the sport no doubt but when you look at all lifters it not the percentage you think. Most lifters in the sport today only stay in for 1-2 meets and leave so that factors in as well. Go to a local meet and ask yourself based on what you see how many lifters in the meet (men and women) are taking something.

@JohnDoe-mw8jw

8 жыл бұрын

+stfu donny I'm not saying everyone is clean. but there are strong naturals, and even if you do take roids, training and nutrition are still more important. so Jason blaha is still wrong (as usual)

@WalterSobchak91

8 жыл бұрын

+Dave Tate I can definitely see what you're saying but I feel that 20/80 might be a stretch but then again you would know better than me since I'm only 25.

41 - 13.... bro...we do things in increments of 5...what do you think this is, kilograms?

more please

If Jim could see the ads that play before his videos, it would make his skin crawl.

@ballelort87

5 жыл бұрын

DESTINIII CHILDUU

bring Jim back

Okay, so where do we get the Jim Wendler Signature Series Dbol? Edit: also, jim made me shit my pants at 4:14.

My philosophy is as someone gets stronger, they're able to do more volume. But their CNS does not evolve like the musculature does. CNS is the same when you're 180lbs as it is when you're 270lbs. As volume and weights increase, you start to put more and more stress on it. Hence the need for the volume to cap out as you get stronger. That's my thinking anyways...

whenever I grow my beard out and then have to cut it because I look homeless I fuck it up. How can I get a great looking beard like Jim's?

You got me

Wendler went to high school with some friends of mine from Wheeling,il real dude!!

I trained drug free for 30+ years and when I went on anabolics I could not do nearly the same volume of training as I could before. I also found that even with minimal volume I got sore after training whereas when training naturally I could train all day and never be sore.

@edwinprado5620

3 жыл бұрын

Were there any benefits at all in your case then? I ask because I've always thought you could train harder and recover faster on anabolics

@mightyquinn5135

2 жыл бұрын

@@edwinprado5620 well i added 20 lbs of lean muscle in a year and about 50 lbs to my bench so def got benefits. not surewhy i saw theothereffects like additional soreness butmaybe because I was handling more weight. Oneof the things they did was pull alot of water and i guess glycogen into the muscle which made me stronger and bigger. i never did tren so maybe thst wod be different story but with test deca and dbol and primo (different cylces) the effexts were always pretty similar although debol left me really water bloated

@edwinprado5620

2 жыл бұрын

@@mightyquinn5135 peoples bodies react differently to different drugs, I actually wouldn't mind going on gear, but hell, I've had heart issues as a kid so it may not be the best, if I didn't have problems I'd take it, thanks for your honesty!

I need Dave’s shirt...

dave fucking nailing it

gr8

Am I the only person who is aware that Jim is dipping during this interview?

@McTreestump

5 жыл бұрын

Dipping?

@jurjenbavelaar1558

5 жыл бұрын

@@McTreestump Chewing tobacco iirc

"I could do an entire 20 minutes video on how I saw it develop(5/3/1), which would probably be interesting to do" - Dave Well, why don't ya? I'd be interested in hearing it.

Dave's theory on juiced lifters not being able to handle the same volume as clean lifters is totally plausible. Just look at how women can handle more than men as a consequence of having less testosterone and not being able to express strength as quickly as a man.

@nexus6514

5 жыл бұрын

I would have called bs 4 months ago....I juiced nonstop 4 yrs I got arrested etc.i did no trt and I eat more and can train more often and I feel better ...my lifts are almost equal as to before ...but my eating , sleeping , intuition etc. has to be on point .

The computer fonts and calligraphy class story was Steve Jobs, not Bill Gates. Sorry. Couldn’t help myself. Great talk though.

"Have you ever seen a program written just for people on drugs?" Yeah. The Bulgarian Program. Train 3-4X a day, only doing Snatch Clean & Jerk Squat Front Squat Power Snatch Power Clean, only doing Singles, always to Maximum. A perpetual peaking phase. All other phases (size, strength, GPP) where just handled by drugs.

@philhorrocks1038

7 жыл бұрын

No natty people ever did Bulgarian with success /s

@derianschmidt7252

6 жыл бұрын

Natural lifters can do this, it will cause major soreness in the joints and possibly over training, but over training isn't bad, if you do it right, controlled over training is the thing that makes programs like Bulgarian and smolov so valuable to every lifter.

@bikerboy3k

6 жыл бұрын

derian schmidt you obviously never trained in your life

@kootje4700

6 жыл бұрын

derian schmidt, overreaching is something alse than overtraining.

@vanguard4065

6 жыл бұрын

you can train everyday all day without drugs. i do. not going to be the worlds strongest man but im stronger now than any other program i used.

Do you guys not believe a certain type of programming is actually optimal for a given person, regardless of principles?

@Entropize1

8 жыл бұрын

Of course, but I am not sure I subscribe to the idea that because a certain type of training is producing results, you should stick to it and sort of become content with it. I think that sometimes that approach is correct, while often times it can lead to complacency.

2:24 is the point of this entire thing

The prison rape thing was priceless.

So....what are your core philosophies? Your core values?

@stevenhewes1990

5 жыл бұрын

Tren and dbol

I'm just glad Neurosis got worked in there.

10:30 min - "80% of Powerlifters out there are clean"

@xxjr8axx

7 жыл бұрын

what about it?

@raketsteffe

7 жыл бұрын

Tony Gruber Its probably true, taking ALL powerlifters into consideration, only focusing on the elite, those competing, those whose names are on the list of the feds, the precentage of clean lifters drops significabtly

He definitely meant Steve Jobs. Not Bill Gates

Simply put -- John McCallum and Bradley Steiner elucidated the OPTIMUM approach long ago. Work the hell out of yourself w relatively short workouts --Then REST !!!

@dansmith9724

5 жыл бұрын

If i can add Bill Starr, Brawn by Stewart McRobert and dinosaur training by Brooks Kubik. Squat/Push/Pull

Core values that include PEDs???

Yup.If you want to bulk up to the super heavys just eat wedding cake lol.

@jizzyjake6783

3 жыл бұрын

Pancakes

@gerardanderson7399

3 жыл бұрын

@@jizzyjake6783 I like JM's Big Macs approach still

Great but after 45 years of training---it's ALL about recovery !!! Simply put having trained on drugs and off drugs --Less is more when clean. Especially not having great genetics.

Two never Natty lifters explaining Natty lifting lmao..

More like 20% of the lifters are clean.

@grizzlymanverneteil4443

6 жыл бұрын

80% of lifters are probably clean if you count casuals. But yeah, at a state level or higher its more like 20% lol.

Tar Dave and Jim

10:57 steroids reduce your volume

@gustavolealgomes5448

4 жыл бұрын

too much steroids

80% of powerlifting is clean eh? Guess there's no point in those silly untested feds anymore.

@WalterSobchak91

8 жыл бұрын

+brian' "I believe out of the total number of powerlifters in the United states, the majority of them are clean" Ok let's stay that statement is right which I guess in a way it could be. But is that powerlifters who have competed? The most well known feds are usually that way because of their UNtested athletes

@davidmb3376

8 жыл бұрын

I believe the majority are clean. 99% of powerlifters will never come close to an elite level so it makes sense that most of them are natural

@brysonpresley1108

6 жыл бұрын

Walter Sobchak I'd say the majority arent serious enough to take PEDs. Obviously a large number of people are on but I would think that a larger number of people just try the sport and dont keep going in that direction.

Dave lookin shtoned

why does jim have to keep spitting into that bottle?

@justcallmeDiesel

7 жыл бұрын

He chews snuff

@Rob.Ko.

7 жыл бұрын

oh ok thanks bro

Jim looks natty.

Titaintium yum

Mo junkie

any thoughts on hypocrisy regarded the rio olympic games, they banned russian athletes for doping and yet they let china and usa participate which make 3 most powerful and sofisticated doping nations

wendler is such a hipster

11:56 so from experience you just disproved yourself that peeps on shit can't train on the same program or volume as nattys, thanks...

what happened to their faces u should donate blood

@k7lucid424

4 жыл бұрын

No

Typical downplaying of gear use from guys who have pushed the absolute limits of gear use and started using at a very young age. Would the strongest men in the world be the strongest if there were no steroids? Yes. Would they be anywhere as strong as they are with all of the enhancement? Not even close.

Don't call em PED's, let's keep it real here! Fucking dirty juice, skittles, powderpuff girl piss, the gear. Feel free to add more 😂😂😂😂

@nickhubert3804

8 жыл бұрын

sauuccceee

@PissTrooper

8 жыл бұрын

sickening skittles

@raketsteffe

7 жыл бұрын

Vapored tears of dying angels, crystalized demon semen, dead virgins cunt juice, death blooms, cancer blooms. Dont know many more

@benjaminthornton1919

7 жыл бұрын

Arnolds

@benjaminthornton1919

7 жыл бұрын

Gym candy

Great table talk, wish Jim and Dave did more of them together

@eliteftsofficial

8 жыл бұрын

More coming soon!

If Jim could see the ads that play before his videos, it would make his skin crawl.

Great table talk, wish Jim and Dave did more of them together