The issue with functional patterns is how annoyingly arrogant some of their representatives are, for me it’s hard ti take them seriously when their reps are constantly making extravagant claims based in opinion and constantly down talking other people’s approaches in the exercise space

@c.callanan4008

Ай бұрын

Agreed. I much prefer Ben Patrick and KOT, much clearer and less nebulous in his communication. FP is just confusing.

@usedblazers

Ай бұрын

@@c.callanan4008are you worried about personality, or results & in-depth problem-solving?

@ericmalitz

Ай бұрын

@@usedblazersas he said- nebulous. These guys are intentionally avoiding clear explanations. They also completely misrepresented ATG.

@tuukkakankkunen2869

Ай бұрын

This podcast was so hard to listen to because of their attitude. I feel I didn't receive any value as they just kept repeating that they are the best and others are wrong - without giving any actual explanations why it's so.

@tonyz4292

Ай бұрын

@@tuukkakankkunen2869 “according to the said principle” lol

Still doesn’t take away from Naudi being insufferable and many of their practitioners acting like they’re in a cult. Glad to hear this discussion though, thanks fellas.

@seamussullivan2218

Ай бұрын

Yeah, that’s a solid point. It sometimes get hard to separate the message from the messenger… when the content is just hard to get through from a personality standpoint…. But I’m doing my best to get the content …

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

Cult means culture, and naudi being insufferable to you just means you're too emotionally invested in your behaviors to consider what he's saying.

@bestwesterner

Ай бұрын

@@slings7149 ah yes, let’s go with an alternative definition of cult and then assume I haven’t considered the cult leader’s points. Please let me know how you like the kool aid!

@tragiceso5121

Ай бұрын

@@slings7149that’s a possibility, that dynamic exists, but it’s a reach to act like it applies here with any certainty

@snusnu39

Ай бұрын

​@@slings7149 Cult means culture? Did you get that from Terrance Mckenna? The origin of the word in Latin seems to meant worship, like the modern usage of the term meaning devotion to a person or group. Like functional pattetrns which considers any other form of training than theirs wrong, and basically only listens to Naudi.

Nsima had some really good questions & the way he challenged and was open minded to some of functional patterns ideas was amazing!

@Parallelthinkers

Ай бұрын

Yea they tried to minimize his words but failed

@Itsallagame1984

Ай бұрын

i thought the same the bald guy was really annoying borderline ignorant interrupting Nsimas sentences. I listened to this before i watched it and thought exacty the same...

@joshuaduggan3099

Ай бұрын

If these guys really believed in functional patterns, they would have shared at least half a dozen exercises that people could do to get started. they only care about selling their program and making money.

@Jordan42947

26 күн бұрын

Shout out nsima on this episode

@raymondsmith2040

25 күн бұрын

Yeah they kept seeming to try and pigeon hole his arguments for lifting with just mentioning the deadlift. Outside of strength sports athletes don't deadlift often at all. Why do they keep bringing it up?

I enjoyed the part where Nsima mentioned some other coaches who actually get people faster at sprinting... Like how world class track and field athletes actually train... And they basically said 'that's cheating because they actually practise sprinting' and 'training that way has no longevity' At the same time they are obsessed with the said principal in a way that tries to turn strength and hypertrophy exercises into skill development exercises... It ends up being worse at all three goals... But still an okay way for average joes to work on their posture and gait mechanics. The real measure for them is something like 'does your running match our technical model when we play it in slow motion'. There's a grain of truth in this approach as Nsima and Mark point out... Its great to be mindful of movement quality, to stay in touch with some of the movements that we evolved for and to move in a variety of different planes. After 6 month working with an FP trainer... I was reminded of some movements that I'd neglected and Ill now use some of what I learned from them as mobility/corrective exercise (based on throwing and sprinting patterns) alongside the reliable 'meat and potatoes' of squating, hinging, pushing, pulling, dragging, carrying, olympic lifting, tumbling, yoga and stretching.

There is zero chance that Usain Bolt’s body has the capacity of producing enough force to deadlift 1000 lbs. this is a simple torque vs hp mathematical hypothetical. The fact that the little dude said that with such certainty tells me to disregard anything he says

@PiethagorasTearem

Ай бұрын

He would be able to deadlift a 1000lbs in total over several reps 😂

@CodyBunker

Ай бұрын

The fact he also stated Bolt would have been faster if he trained functional patterns is also asinine. The thing he gets wrong with bolt is that bolt produces 4 to 5 times his bodyweight in force with every step. But this is significantly different than producing force to deadlift 1000lbs

@larrytate1657

21 күн бұрын

@@CodyBunker I hate when people act as though a theory is one hundred percent fact. This video is mostly theory.

@CodyBunker

21 күн бұрын

@@larrytate1657 also the fact that they have to tear down any other method but their own in order to promote their method shows they are not to be taken seriously

@sweatyatoms7719

16 күн бұрын

Also his explanation of mitochindrial function and all the other stuff in those 5 minutes was total bullshit! He doesnt knoiw the difference between water and protons (hydrogen ions).

Nsima was giving them all the flaws in their marketing with every question. If they were to fix those flaws they could help more people. And helping people with any physical fitness program should be the goal.

@PickyfromTerminology

Ай бұрын

Flaws in marketing. Not flaws in the practice. What do you want? The best product with below average marketing? Or some garbage product that will break but has great marketing hyping it up better than what it is? That’s the problem with the fitness industry. All the shit that’s damaging people is marketed like it’s the best thing ever.

@CeroAshura

Ай бұрын

​@@PickyfromTerminologyprofile pic says it all. Looking like the average "i'm training functional bro" that can't pick up a 200lbs sandbag

@usedblazers

Ай бұрын

@@CeroAshuraMike, one of the guys speaking on behalf of FP in the video, can lift a 200+ pound sandbag. Honestly it’s not hard to lift something that heavy once you dial in on optimizing your sprinting mechanics through FP.

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

​@CeroAshura that's the problem, you can't see past your nose. You immediately disregard what is said here because of his profile picture. It's typical for the bodybuilder / gym bro to do. There is value in "perception is reality" but if your ability to discern what's useful and what's not, you'll be easily mislead.

You truly don’t understand functional patterns until you actually work with a practitioner. I work with Mike and I can’t explain how much he’s done for me in just 7 months. Lifelong issues/ pain from grappling and weightlifting are gone and I’m only getting better at the age of 36.

@thatchefdmart

Ай бұрын

The 10 week Functional Patterns program is also amazing if for some reason youre unable to work with a practitioner! Keep up the great work Chef Mikie!

@functionalvanconversion4284

Ай бұрын

💯

@pabzmartin6488

Ай бұрын

@@thatchefdmart🔥🔥🔥

@pabzmartin6488

Ай бұрын

🔥🔥

@athletipack973

Ай бұрын

Facts. Don't knock it until you try it!

"We can take Usain Bolt as he is right now and make him faster". So you're saying you can take a fully developed world class sprinter and make him faster but none of that is attributed to the foundation of athleticism that has already been developed? 😂😂 Yeah ok.😂😂

@RhinoSea

Ай бұрын

please tell me you aren't a man over 20

@larrytate1657

21 күн бұрын

They should be able to take any very athletic 13 year old than, train him and have him break Bolts records in 5 to 6 years time…..

These dudes would definitely drink the coolaid, no hesitation.

@hulkhogan4947

Ай бұрын

Kool-Aid

A la Poliquin and ATG- the key in all this fitness discussion is structural balance. If you sit all day, your body will adapt to sitting; you will throw yourself out of structural balance. If you bench every week for several years and never measurably progress your rotator cuff, expect issues as you deviate from your natural structural balance. If you HALF-squat every week for years, and don’t measurably increase hip flexor length/strength, lower leg strength (your body’s literal foundation), hip mobility (hip flexors again; adductors, etc.), then expect issues as you deviate from your natural structural balance (Mark mentioning the squat as “basic human movement” misses that everyone here are only considering half-squats, not full range of motion squats trained measurably.)

@whodoyouratemore

Күн бұрын

So if you don't follow their methodology what will happen to you?

What’s striking me in the comments is the polarization. Either these guys are the way or they are total quacks. It’s not so black and white. They have a point and recognize the problem pretty well.. this doesn’t mean that their solution to the problem is correct or all encompassing

These two guys seem like gym bros that arent strong enough to do the basic barbell lifts; so they make up something else to grift upon unsuspecting men who dont want to do the hard things.

Tired of fitness people selling their brand of exercise. Mr Bell, I am not sure if it was intentional or accidental, but I am thankful that your show exposed these two. The training they present may be "nuisanced" to specific athletes, but not for my 53 year old body with arthritis and 30 year old sport injuries. I will stick with the basics. Thanks for all you and your team do. Take care!

@sh-bs6uj

Ай бұрын

You got those injuries because of how you been training

@sebastienlutomski9383

Ай бұрын

@@sh-bs6uj 😂

@larrytate1657

22 күн бұрын

@@sh-bs6uj how do you know

24:00- “The hamstrings don’t only flex the knee…” No but it’s about 50 percent of what they do. They also help extend the hips. So do both knee flexion and hip extension exercises, in full range.

Really interesting podcast. The shorter guy is myopically obnoxious and tense about everything though. Doesn’t seem like the kind of mind that a system based on fluid movement should develop. Some of the concepts seem super valuable though, and I appreciated the discussion.

@aw8one

Ай бұрын

His delivery sucks. Definitely could work on some communication skills for sure.

@Itsallagame1984

Ай бұрын

small man syndrome.

@AlfonsoDiSaliz

Ай бұрын

Thats because Naudi is the same way, they all act the same, the system is great, i would like to try it in the future, but the people in the top of FP like to be ostentatious, it gets boring to me to listen to them acting like small kids

Seems cult-like.

Get Paul Chek on the pod so we can listen to somebody who can make sense, give us a mind blown perspective and has the education and life experience we can actually respect.

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

Paul check is outdated, that's why FP has taken the lead in the fitness industry for years already

@squashduos1258

25 күн бұрын

Paul Chek’s take on his beloved “Duck bill” lol!!!….

So my question for these guys is what's your best sprint time? Whatever distance you think is most functional. What's Naudis?

@bestwesterner

Ай бұрын

I’m sure Naudi would have a big brain answer to wuss out and blame his cranium shape or something

I went into this podcast knowing nothing about FP. After the podcast I still know nothing about FP…

@jeffharris8617

Ай бұрын

What were you looking to learn

@aubreygmcghee

Ай бұрын

Basis of FP "trust me bro".😂😂

I did all the traditional weightlifting for 5/6 years. I got more Glute growth, power output increase, less pain, everythings been wayyy better with FP for 2 years. It’s not even close, it’s just everything’s happening behind doors. I used to listen to this podcast for years until I started FP, my only regret is I wish I had started FP sooner to avoid the lumbar compression etc. Thanks guys for the great pod 🙏🏽

@functionalvanconversion4284

Ай бұрын

💯

@0kneelbeforezod0

Ай бұрын

Lol, sure. Totally not a cult, right?

@Teckdeckproducti0nz

Ай бұрын

@@0kneelbeforezod0 it’s funny. everyone that I’ve met that says “cult” has no logical counter to the points put forth by the company… or any results.

Only a sith deals in absolutes

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

FP doesn't impose beliefs on reality; they apply their concepts based on physics, which isn't up for interpretation.

@AlexanderDominisac-sg4xi

13 күн бұрын

@@slings7149as a practitioner I will say that physics objectively may not be up for interpretation, but our map of physics is.

@brawndothethirstmutilator9848

10 күн бұрын

@slings7149, We’re not dealing with planets, we’re talking about the human body. As such, the laws of physics must be channeled through biomechanics and kinesiology - which are open to interpretation.

@AlexanderDominisac-sg4xi

9 күн бұрын

@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 to be fair biomechanics is largely modeled via kinematics...which is what's used for any multibody system, originally planets.

Oooooh, I've been waiting for this, thanks for making this happen!

Can running fix herniated disks or an anterior pelic tilt? Or if you have a injury are you just screwed?

@jeffharris8617

Ай бұрын

Going out and sprinting won’t fix herniated discs and anterior pelvic tilts. The way FP deals with these issues is by simulating positions and movements you would do in sprinting with corrective exercise to correct the imbalance

All movement is functional. If it can be done, it is functional. A bench press is functional. A squat is functional. A curl is functional. First red flag: anyone that uses the word functional in the title. Second red flag: talking shit about the forms of movement you are selling.

@sh-bs6uj

Ай бұрын

A bench press definitely isn't functional in life

@davidbensamuel4144

Ай бұрын

@@sh-bs6uj you never pushed something away from yourself ?

@FightorFlightPod

Ай бұрын

Well there’s probably a hierarchy of movement tho, right? Theres probably some movements that work better than others? Some movements that present a higher probability of dysfunction over time? Why not optimize? Everything about this podcast is human optimization, from the content to the ads. Why wouldn’t that apply to what you do in the gym?

@danielfarrell3534

23 күн бұрын

​@sh-bs6uj it is when something heavy falls on you. Becomes very functional and life saving in that moment. Is a pushup not functional? They're both a push through horizontal plane.

As a strength coach for 30 years we practiced what I call HIT Hybrid training. We used HIT, Westside, functional training, corrective training, and many other protocols. We fit the protocols together like pieces in a puzzle. This idea that only one system works is flawed.

Ben always talks about going from pain-free to a more difficult activity as a progression. I don’t like it when people make it sound like they’re the only legitimate way to an end.

@alistairmorris9469

Ай бұрын

They might not be the "only" legitimate way. I used stuff from David weck and Tim shieff to help with my CFL impingement. FP helped everything else though. No more hip pain, no more knee pain. A guide to understand my own stress responses and recognition of my own patterns, both physiologically and psychologically

@terrygraff8696

Ай бұрын

Exactly. These two come across as narcissists to me. I couldn't even lay down or move in 2009 and avoided surgery with yoga/DP yoga and have seen yoga work miracles for many. I couldn't even do the complex movements FP puts on line at the point I was at and was told I couldn't avoid surgery. I did. I have progressed over the years and now have started to use Ben Patrick to move better and I have went from not jumping to a vertical leap over 22 inches at 56 years old. Whenever you say you are the only choice I instantly smell narcissist egos. Their videos are over the top attacking people and also makes me even more skeptical... and their are 100's of kinetic physicists/biomechanical people on YT who disprove them, also. I will keep listening to Dr. Stuart McGill and other people with decades of data and other influencers who don't act like God's over these two.

@Teckdeckproducti0nz

Ай бұрын

@@terrygraff8696 Those people you mentioned haven’t shown results with people over a long period of time, it’s usually short bursts of results, and it exacerbates other problems. And then you’re left to find a new solution to the new problem after years. I’m only saying it because I’ve done everything you’ve mentioned & I know where it leads

@terrygraff8696

Ай бұрын

@@Teckdeckproducti0nz 1. Dr Stuart McGill has been a doctor for longer than one of this guys has been alive and has done more to stop unnecessary back surgeries and do more for training and rehabilitation than anyone alive. Oh, and he still deadlifts. 2. I have done yoga and tai chi with people over 90 who still move fluidly with strength. Both those practices have been around for 1000's of years and can rightfully boast to adding longevity in strength and life span. Dallas Page just added more strength moves to it. I have done it for 15 years and still making gains in strength and health and ZERO injuries while still lifting weights. I don't need this koolaid when I have proven things to go by.

@BluegillGreg

Ай бұрын

Which guy is ""Ben?" The guys in the studio are Michael, Rodney, Mark, Nsima, and Andrew.

Wow, I had just came across functional patterns about a month ago, and intrigued by their method of training, since not a lot of info is out there online, other than it focuses on the fundamental movements of running, walking and throwing. This podcast is great

@raphaelrongau

Ай бұрын

Cool man, give it a try, it helped me fix my shoulder, back, hip and knee pain. 100% would recommend

The hubris of claiming you could make Usain Bolt faster. Come on, the fucking GOAT. it’s easy to make claims that will never be tested.

@usedblazers

Ай бұрын

Functional Patterns can be scaled in any direction to fit the needs & solve problems to suit the client. From a guy like Kyle Dake to an elderly person with Parkinson’s.

@cholkymilkmirage4984

Ай бұрын

The claim is that their training could make him faster than his training. But end of the day he is always going to be fast asf cause he is Usain Bolt. Like Lebron will always be Lebron. Lebron could play hopscotch for his resistance and strength training and he will still be destroying

@MihirS84

Ай бұрын

I remember Bret Contreras making a similar claim as well. He said Bolt would've been faster if he incorporated hip thrusts in his training routine 😂

@ladev91

Ай бұрын

​@@cholkymilkmirage4984so if he did no training for a year and ate like shit, he would be just as fast as he is now? That's what your saying basically. Of course training has impact on the athlete. Natural abilities plus the training is what makes you good. It's not either or.

@tpyatt11

Ай бұрын

@@MihirS84😂😂

I do enjoy feeling strong at every angle, as well as able and resilient at every angle.

This was a hard listen the entire podcast, every objection in favor of pro FP was absolutism/elitism at its finest even when they were confronted about it they couldn’t get away from it. With that being said any new idea to strengthen the body without extra an increase of harm/injury is great.

the problem with the gym is that its so static, most ppl use machines and maybe some barbell/dumbbell work, but there are so many other movements.

Been waiting for this one for a while now thanks for making it happen Mark

@bestwesterner

Ай бұрын

It’s up there with the GOATA conversation. Very, um… esoteric

Mark- ham curls and sprinting- (full range, well-performed, measurably progressed) ham curls absolutely facilitate progress because they create “bulletproofing reserve” in knee flexion. It strengthens the connective tissue behind the knee, so it facilitates progress in ANY activity. Pain-free movement is the first step to progress. Other guy mentions squats not “translating” to running- it doesn’t matter; a full range, measurably strengthened squat improves the connective tissue in the knee. This facilitates potential improvement, in ANY activity.

@FightorFlightPod

Ай бұрын

How is a ham curl full range? There’s a degree of rotation when it comes to a sprint, AND it’s one leg at a time. A ham curl doesn’t account for everything happening in the upper body or the force requirement that goes along with it. It isolates one contraction in the system of gait, and programs the nervous system to fire both contractions at the same time, which literally never happens in a sprint.

@ericmalitz

Ай бұрын

@@FightorFlightPodham curls change depending on the torso position. In a lying ham curl, you can move through from a fully extended leg to pad-to-butt. If you did a standing ham curl with a monkeyfoot, you’d simply bring the weight as close to your butt as possible. In other words the hamstring curl has a relative full range. But watch people do hamstring curls in the gym and see if they care about attaining as much range as possible. You have no proof that “it programs” anything like what you’re thinking. The purpose of the hamstring curl is simply to increase strength in the hamstring muscles (AND connective tissue; though we should also do nordics for the latter.)

FP has greatly improved my life.

By 22 years old lifting was too much for them? Wow. 😂 Made it 9 mins…. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t compete - Stan Efferding

@ryanbrady752

Ай бұрын

So everyone who does traditional lifting will get hurt? Why do it then if you’re not planning on competing? I think traditional lifting is marketed as to make you more “healthy” If that’s so if I’m trying to get stronger for wrestling why would I risk hiring my wrestling career by doing traditional lifting? If I’m brown to get hurt I’ll pass doing regular lifting

@lukibear2130

Ай бұрын

@@ryanbrady752 👍🏻

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

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@larrytate1657

21 күн бұрын

@@ryanbrady752 because If you weight train smart with perfect form you won’t get hurt. If anything you’ll get hurt way easier wrestling. I’ve been lifting natural since I was 18, I’ll be 42 soon. Lift 5 days a week I’ve never been injured to the point I had to stop lifting. I has tennis elbow once and it went away on its own and has been gone for a few years now. Just had to take it lighter for two weeks on my back and tricep work. Still going strong. There’s guys 20 years older than me in my gym still lifting weekly. Granted they have to go lighter as they get older but they are not injured and are stronger and more athletic than average 62 year olds.

@ryanbrady752

20 күн бұрын

@@larrytate1657 I understand wgeee you are coming from still there health is degrading and there having to use less weight than before people in Fp are getting better as they age

My question is, and I love FP. I hated on FP several years ago because I was ignorant. Then I bought The Power of Posture and followed FP and all other exercise modalities. My question is, for the sake of time and for people that have limited time due to having a family, work, etc. what's the best bang for your buck? For the sake of time. Is it doing FP for 20 minutes doing certain exercises and then switch it up each time to keep the variability in movement to not get stuck?

One of the main problems with something like a deadlift for an athlete is not necessarily that it makes you stiff, it’s more so that you’re giving yourself a likely massive recovery debt for something that will have less transfer to sport or life than some other exercise you could have done with that time and recovery. Ido portal moves objectively better than any fp practitioner I have seen, and he lifts some. These guys have such a narrow view of what is functional.

@spacec0wboy94

Ай бұрын

Ido portal can’t train anymore because he’s in so much pain

@michaellopez-lq5fn

Ай бұрын

@@spacec0wboy94 not sure where you’re getting that, I certainly haven’t been keeping tabs very close lately but I haven’t heard anything like that. You can over do any type of training, even fp.

@spacec0wboy94

Ай бұрын

@@michaellopez-lq5fn he said it on Andrew Huberman if I’m not mistaken. You can over do anything yet there’s hundreds of people who’ve been doing FP for 10+ years and thousands for 5+ years who are visibly still improving.

@michaellopez-lq5fn

Ай бұрын

@@spacec0wboy94 I too improve at the things I do and do so while avoiding major injuries. Sometimes I overtrain in a session but rarely long term. I do things that are actually enjoyable too. Climbing, martial arts, skateboarding, hiking. I like HOW fp addresses contra and ipsilateral movements as far more significant that pushing you saggital stabilization to the max.. but I think there are better ways to establish that foundation and then better activities than fp to express that foundation. In my opinion you would have to be incredibly jacked up to need more than 2-3 years of foundational work. Most people could have a solid foundation of movement and engagement in 3 months- a year. Then from that point it’s about finding things you love to do and maybe supplementing your training with things you don’t get in your activities This is the way to satisfy the principle of specificity maximally in a persons movement longevity.. not fp.

I listened to their podcast, one with Naudi and dear Lord… it certainly seems they bring something to the table for fitness and movement quality etc, but certainly some of the most narcissistic people I’ve seen in the fitness realm in a long time. Thanks for asking the hard questions and intentionally or not, exposing the strangeness to their salesmanship. if it smells like cow dookie, it probably is…

Do they have free videos of exercise routines that are core to movement that i can work on? I haven't found any. I'm not going to pay for a course neither. ATG puts out all his information out there and still has courses.

@cholkymilkmirage4984

Ай бұрын

no, its just videos of them working out but not showing how to do it, from what they said in this podcast is that its not as simple. Ppl need to learn from the very bottom of the barrel, but ALSO doing the movements isnt the first step. The first step is to myofascial release the adhesions and hydrate the body, then move correctly.

@DrkstrX

Ай бұрын

@@cholkymilkmirage4984 they can make in depth videos, lots of people do. I'm not going to pay for their stuff until i can see proof within myself.

@spacec0wboy94

Ай бұрын

You get what you pay for

@DrkstrX

Ай бұрын

@@spacec0wboy94 i get a lot of valuable information for free regardless. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Missing out on this isn't the end of the world

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

​@DrkstrX if the free info you've got was working, you wouldn't be here asking for more free stuff

The concept of buying back your time is smart! My girlfriend and me live together (in our 20s), and both work 50+ hours a week and after comsuming your content, we decided that we're going to not only invest in our education (skills and knowledge) but also menial tast automation. That means house cleaning, laundry, cooking, etc... will be deligated to more fitting companies that are reasonably priced and fit our current budget. Our parents think we're crazy because we're going against the "poor" norm and its all thanks to you Mr.Dan thank you!

Pullups with weight, dips with weight , burpees with weight vest ,air squats and jogging with vest , is the total package it serms ? Just my thoughts , and walking with weight in both hands

@danielfarrell3534

23 күн бұрын

They're just trying to reinvent the wheel. Seems they just want to push unilateral over bilateral, which there is nothing wrong with. In fact, unilateral movements probably has more value to the general public but it doesn't need rewrapping up as a Functional Patterns programme. Just don't neglect unilateral for only bilateral. This kind of programming already exists 😆

Ok. I've been doing this for the past year. Coincidentally almost exactly. Start it off on trt. Then did my first blast titillation it up test to 500 well slowly incorporating primo at a 5 to 4 or 80% ratio . Keeps my e2 in the mid-40s. Did that for 20-week. Blood work was good. Currently just finishing my first cut or (cruise) on 210 test and 160 primo. I want to incorporate NPP on my next blast. How will NPP effect e2 ? Was planning on going 500 test 400 primo and 3 to 400 NPP. Was told to try 3 to 400 test 600 primo and 3 to 400 NPP. Let the other compound shine. Seems like it will completely tank my e2. Any suggestions? Been following you for a while and have picked up many tips along the way thank you for being open and sharing. Carntine has been one of the best add ons in my routine.

@ericmalitz

Ай бұрын

😂

@nicholaskoenig3106

Ай бұрын

You'll be ready for Functional Movement for sure. Perfect dosage.

@sebastienlutomski9383

Ай бұрын

Bro are you commenting on the right video?

I gotta give credit to Paul Chek and his system of 7 Primal Movement Patterns: Push, Pull, Twist, Bend, Squat, Lunge, Gait.

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

Fp does it better and simplifies it. Stand, walk, run throw

@innercompass9

Ай бұрын

@@slings7149 how do you know that?

@refinethemachine

Ай бұрын

​@@innercompass9Yea Paul Chek's system makes more sense to me, it's not so rigid. These guys talking about there being no straight bars in Nature and therefore people shouldn't load that way seems contradicted by them using dumbbells, resistance bands and cable machines. I get the idea but in that case get outside and lift some rocks and sticks, dig a hole, draw a bow, cut wood and carry water. You could start your own training program and get people to do your yard work and hunting haha

@HumanOptimization

Ай бұрын

Have you ever see these fpers sprint or throw? ​its actually quite sad. @@slings7149

@usedblazers

Ай бұрын

@@innercompass9look at FP’s results. That’s how better it is.

for someone that can't afford a practitioner or a program how does one start in FP?

@anthonynunes6085

21 күн бұрын

Not an FP practioner or one who practices under one, but there is a $60 book called The Power of Posture that was written by the CEO.

Great talk. At the turning of every Paradigm, there's always tension between ideas ... but think we can all agree with this emerging idea: "Address the System not symptom" ... Nobody 'owns' that, just like nobody owns Bitcoin (look into it) ... We're just realizing it together.

I Oly lift, Sprint and run and swim. Im on a surfboard a few months a year and a snowboard another 3 and am ripping at 41 years old with no recurring injuries. Thats functional to me.

Haha. I personally know when I'm looking up in the air trying to think like I'm really intelligent but in reality I'm just a normal dude. Nice one buddy

@terrygraff8696

Ай бұрын

Exactly! Have a body language expert watch this episode and bust out every time these two are exaggerating or, dare I say… lying about their knowledge.

@AerialBot-wm2sh

27 күн бұрын

Well his mind its trying to look upthere how to make Usain bolt faster with functional patterns 😂

26:10- “..not in one direction, but all of them.” Right, and you can’t reproduce a jujitsu match in the weight room/training area. Arbitrarily performing complex rotational moves (with arbitrarily chosen angles) is not the answer.

NO SLED DRAGS?! Good luck gettin' Knees Over Toes Guy on board. Lol

Thank you gentlemen! Out of respect for you I watched the entire video. Though this may be beneficial their stance that there are no absolutes but everything else is detrimental is a problem! Personally becoming a grandma box squats are staying in my program because they will be functional for me. Always good stuff from PP!

My grifter/snake oil salesman alarm is going off in the first 10 minutes. They spend too much time trying to convince you and using weird scenarios to make their stuff seem better. By the way, the reason normal weight lifting "hinders" your movement is not the lifting... Its the lack of mobility routines/stretching. Lifters never do that stuff. I guarantee the hybrid athletes that lift/run/mobility train/swim etc will blow your people out of the water in every metric

@bestwesterner

Ай бұрын

But stretching is the rEaL ePIDeMiC! 🤡 🌍

@ericmalitz

Ай бұрын

Yes but by mobility you better mean “structural balance.”

@c.callanan4008

Ай бұрын

If you baffle people with enough complexity, then I guess a lot of people will just assume that you're right and they just don't get it yet. It's a useful marketing tool and it keeps criticism at bay. The anti-yoga stuff is just weird.

As I appreciate the info these guys present, I think it's kind of horseshit how they tout everything and almost look down upon EVERY other modality of training. And no matter what Mark and Nsima say, this guy just immediately shuts them down and/or corrects him. Coming back to finishing it - it's really just this Rodney fella. Dude just cannot get over himself or let someone else be right. Even when Mark and Nsima make a reasonable comment that IS right first thing out of his mouth "NO"... dude you have good information, let someone challenge you and relax.

@thegarybains

Ай бұрын

100%

@williammurderfacemurderfac162

Ай бұрын

They said it at the beginning of the pod. They tried tradtional lifting and it was too hard for them and so they made this stuff up to cope. Whenthey made the connection between dysfunctional movement patterns and dysfuctional thought patterns, it hit me wrong. It's the whole method of selling your training modality, demonize the competition and promote yourself, anything else is wrong or "dysfunctional". We want to get into anthropology? How about how we aren't designed for walking upright but our bone and muscle structure is designed for quadropedic movement, we're minimally adapted for running upright. Are overhead movements functional? Imagine how an animal runs, it reaches out in fron of it's neck, which is an overhead movement pattern for us. I think people should be aware of their movement but things have worked and continue to work for decades and that's SBD. These are simple and functional moveement patterns. A bar eliminates variables that come with the natural world as they put it. So that with controlled parameters we can better prepare for uncontrolled variables. An atlas stone may be more similar to a natural lift but again the shape of the stone, the height and the weight are still the controlled parameters. We know that running is damaging to the joints and so is throwing, because we aren't fully adapted to these patterns, making the same arguments they have for SBD the same arguments that go against their methodology. Is a baseball pitch better than a football because a baseball more resembles a rock? This is so pedantic it makes no sense. There is a place for Functional Patterns in fitness but it's not a replacement. Nothing will ever replace the SBD.

@timeinlou758

Ай бұрын

He’s just adding context. Thought it was a good fair discussion

@timeinlou758

Ай бұрын

So noones confused about our position ^

@sebastienlutomski9383

Ай бұрын

@@williammurderfacemurderfac162 Hi, what is SBD?

That’s why I do Olympic lifting, lower body strength core strength. Flexibility. And don’t have to worry about being too stiff. And bulky

Does anyone know if Paul Chek has ever been on this podcast?

@ChocBomb

Ай бұрын

Paul can actually make sense and science unlike FP.

3:39 "function for a dog is different than function for a human, different than function for a bird..." Jesus Christ. We all know that we're talking about humans today, bro. 😵‍💫

@PickyfromTerminology

Ай бұрын

You say that but just because a human has two arms and two legs they assume they can do anything under the sun with that because of ‘free will’ like choose to do yoga or powerlifting. Go to Africa where people hunt in tribes, they’re not arguing that deadlifts will help them life heavy rocks over there like the westerners. They’re running and throwing for hunting.

@cryptobull738

Ай бұрын

Yeah his a fool

Everyone will put down the things they don't understand

@0kneelbeforezod0

Ай бұрын

Maybe because there is nothing to “understand” when it’s clearly b.s.

I think yall should have just faught each other and see who wins and let that be a demonstration of how much theri system vs your system or apporach to fitness leads to a transfer to performance. I think we all know how that would turn out.

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

That's what an idiot would say.

I'll save you the 3 hours of listening to this podcast and just tell you to buy their 10 week program. Thats about all I got out of this.

@looseunit9180

Ай бұрын

Mate you are clearly a deep thinker

@tylerhoffman2271

Ай бұрын

@@looseunit9180 Well when they literally can't tell you what the actual system is that they are espousing is better than every single thing ever created before and just keep saying you need to buy our $200 course, then yeah, thats about all that you can truly get out of that 3 hour conversation. All they literally said was everything is else is terrible for you and our system is the only way. Buy our course so you can understand its greatness but we can't really give you much detail on what it is other than its functional and makes you a better sprinter.

@tylerhoffman2271

Ай бұрын

@@looseunit9180 I also came into this video truly open, not knowing a single thing about functional patterns and completely up to the idea that standard barbell training isn't the greatest thing. Then they didn't provide anything useful other than everything sucks except our system. If they had done a better job at explaining why 100 years of a training system is completely counterproductive other than it makes you worse at sprinting and provide no real support for that claim, then maybe I would've gotten anything at all out of this other than feeling like I'm listening to a snake oil salesman.

The hosts ability to understand FP & why it works, with themselves being experts in their own form of training, should speak volumes to their subscribers.

going to the gym for 38 years now am 52 ,always went heavy ,stop doing it at 46, now just do high reps less weight and i feel great injurie free now

time stamps please

After finding FP years ago, I've never went back to traditional fitness.

@functionalvanconversion4284

Ай бұрын

💯

Seems like Mark(and his crew) is such a genuine guy. We all struggle with something on our path but, he’s getting pretty good at his approach to life and people which may be different from his preconceived ideals it seems.

FUCK YES! I knew FP would get on the mainstream map eventually. It's about time they get the credit they deserve!

@0kneelbeforezod0

Ай бұрын

Lol. More like attract more of the ridicule that they so richly deserve.

Train so i can have a physique like one of these two, ummm, no thanks. The guy with a beard looks like some kinda skinny-fat guy who's never set foot in a gym. The little guy who knows, he's got a big sweatshirt on. Dr. Mike Isratel is about the same height, but even with a big chunky sweatshirt on you can see he works out.

Great interview I found a lot of their responses quite cryptic however so it's hard to take away much useful information

I use 2go 2da chiropractor n i don't no more my hips even out n no longer have back issues because of FP training n i use to compete in bodybuilding bck in da days n allways looked in shape but my body din't reflected it in da way i moved it was all looks i wish i would off done FP sooner but i hate 2admit i was a meat head 😂😂but all jokes aside FP has been life changing 4me....

Brothers I don’t think we are mad but our way of thinking has been challenged! A call to arms can be for just causes and spine and joint health is right up my alley. it blew my mind when the functional patterns fellows said everyone has a little scoliosis and heavy loaded bilateral movements will cause injuries I believe that is exactly the boat I am in

I have always respected FP and I hope to see more of them on this pod

From my understanding, FP is about optimizing foundational elements involving the actions of standing , running , throwing and sprinting. Once those are solid and everything is "functional" then you can pursue other less priority movements and events , and just use your baseline of FP to make sure you arent gettint wonky Some ppl can do anything they want , eat , move , drink and still be competitive... Some use peds to push through. I think priroties are the main point. Not that everything is less than FP. A lot posturing on social media is part of marketing these days. Clickbait , drama , etc .. Nice to see a convo of just great minds.

It seens like every post they talk about FP there is alot of comments from them that looks copyed

@bestwesterner

Ай бұрын

I know that Naudi audits the comment sections on FP posts and relentlessly blocks any opps because he has small pp energy

@1024mileslong1024

Ай бұрын

I asked if the athlete he was using to promote his training methodology was an FP athlete. Got called stupid and was blocked. Super small dicks over there.

@uexkeru

Ай бұрын

"hi I'm 140 years old I used to bro lift and was so stiff until Naudi FP cured my pain completely now I can compete in junior baseball again WE ARE NOT A CULT"

I am 68 and I always think I exercise to make my movements better. There's nothing wrong with being more builts than an average person but I am not into bodybuilding for the sake of having big muscles. I add Olympic style lifts to my routines and totally love it, on top of some calisthenics exercises. I've seen guys that did 32 plates on the leg press but they admitted to me they could barely run if they have to. I rather be able to squat clean double my bw than doing 1000 leg press. If you're over 50 and move around well, have great energy, able to run/jump without pain and stronger than an average person you're doing it right. For me personally, every aspects of fitness at 68 is currently much better than my much younger self.

The most fuctional pattern of all is running 400 meters of full sprint ,I wonder if this two ever try that .

@RickGoodman-cb2jd

14 күн бұрын

Would love to see that debate.

@algodiff

14 күн бұрын

The Pink Oracle of Iron Truths would surely make it a hilarious one.

1:36:50 Yes there is another way to do it, BUT will it prevent them from getting injured, or have nagging pains, or adhesion in the future? Prolly not.

I would say that the flaw of weightlifting is that they don't add movement in the other planes. I would recommend adding rotational, lateral, etc movement. That's a big reason why I have a few kettlebell and cable movements on top of my main exercises. Hybrid training of calisthenics and weights accompanied with full ROM + deep stretch helps alleviate the stiffness that most experience.

Also important to note that FP looks like it’s just about reducing asymmetries, but the reality is that FP is about tissue hydration and how that affects longevity.

Never trust a scientist who is this confident about everything they say. Especially when they're selling something and mention it this often. A good scientist will always errr on the side of "maybe this is right" rather than "this is definitely right".

Stretching is the worst thing you can do😂😂😂 these dudes are crazy

I’m not sure how I feel about the stretching aspect. More range of motion is better and training in the range will increase tendon strength right? How would that be a negative

@cholkymilkmirage4984

Ай бұрын

Training in the range of motion doesn’t increase tendon strength. Tendons aren’t “strengthened” they are “stiffened” like taking a string Velcro wrap or rope, and wrapping it around a weight and holding it up, it stiffened. And that is through isometrics. The springy bounce is enhanced through plyometrics. Both go hand in hand. You need stiffness to hands lid. And you need bounce to erupt off load. The rang of motion stiff is about the entire joint, all the connective tissue, cartilage, ligaments, muscle fibers, nerves, and tendons. You essentially work on all of them and their ability to move something through this range of motion, but if there is a weak link like a lack of tendon stiffness, it will show.

@jeffharris8617

Ай бұрын

more range of motion isn't always better. When your movement is too lax, your body ends up putting the strain on the ligaments and tendons instead of the muscles. you may not have issue in the short term, but in the long run, your muscles are meant to bear the brunt of the load and the strain on your ligaments compounds

@_nina_chou_

Ай бұрын

Mike breaks down stretching here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpWXlaajdcK3naQ.htmlfeature=shared

@ericmalitz

Ай бұрын

@@cholkymilkmirage4984what a complete lie.

@cholkymilkmirage4984

Ай бұрын

@@ericmalitz lmao thats not lie, its the truth. Taking tendons through a wide ROM cause you think it makes them stronger is dumb. You need to address its ability to handle load first and foremost. I.E. stiffness and spring. A lot of tendon tears happen in the deepest stretch of a loaded exercise. Bench, curls, whatever. And you might say "oh but thats because they are doing such a heavy lift blah blah blah" yes that is true, but it also shows the truth of how getting stronger and stronger on a load bearing exercise going through the range of motion repeatedly didn't help the tendons keep up with the muscles as you got stronger on the movement. Until after so much abuse, it finally snaps. Cause it needs to get STIFFER and SPRINGGIER. It will also HELP make you stronger on your lifts helping you output more force.

10:20 early UFC were hand picked opponents in an event that the gracies designed after years of research in a foreign country. There many proponents of judo and Sambo that would have played with royce. There's no Jiujitsu of anything.

@henryg3702

Ай бұрын

Even an elite muay thai fighter at the time.

Man I've been really interested in FP and this was kind of disappointing ..These guys make it seem like a cult and can't sell their product without knocking everyone elses. I'm sure they have some great training concepts but the tried and true are still around for a reason.

@theastraladepts

Ай бұрын

hit the nail on the head, they talk shit about everyone that isnt them

@raphaelrongau

Ай бұрын

Hey man I totally get where you’re coming from, I used to hate the way the founder speaks as well. Then I finally gave it a try, and I swear I never changed my mind since. I solved shoulders pain, hip pain, back pain, knee pain… I know they are very hard to listen to but find a FP practitioner near you and see for yourself

@terrygraff8696

Ай бұрын

It is a cult! It is their way or you are stupid.

@ryanbrady752

Ай бұрын

@@raphaelrongausame here totally didn’t like the way naudi talked but now I only do fp and kinda understand why he speaks that way. I’d relate it to like when all the people were all about masks and scared of catching covid like you understand why they don’t want to give up there masks are are scared of Covid but there’s so much evidence on things that are going to get you better results than using the mask and why Covid isn’t that dangerous especially if you use other methods to make you healthier. But people hang on to it, cause it works for them, they make money off it, it’s apart of their identity? Idk but to has really changed my life for the better.

Very short hill sprints with enough rest between reps will make you a faster sprinter and is relatively low impact. Downhill sprinting, on low grade (less steep) will elongate your stride. You don't want it too steep downhill because of the impact and the body will naturally shorten the stride to lower the impact. Ease yourself into the training to prevent injury. This has been done sprinters to long distance runners for decades. Walter Peyton (Bears running back) did steep hill sprints in the off season.

I see a lot of guys "squatting" in the gym and it is only a matter of time before their bodies give out. Technique and appropriate loading can easily outweigh the "dysfunction" of squats.

@EnoughSaid302

Ай бұрын

I see it too. It is worse for new lifters because as they stated in this episode, simply becuase there is squat rack there they get in it. Personally, self awareness and intuition around what is good for you and isn't trumps everything. But we have lost that ability. I recommend using psylocibin or thc in low safe dowses while moving to enhance that intuitive awareness of what is going on while you move.

@moritji6090

Ай бұрын

​@@EnoughSaid302 You can definitely develop those attributes without any need for drugs. Other than that its just not even practical, what you gonna have 3 trips a week to work on body awareness😂

@ericmalitz

Ай бұрын

Ah yes “technique and appropriate loading” solves the issues of relying on heavy half-squats (for what reason exactly…?) says a guy who probably -never measurably trained his hip flexors -never measurably trained his lower legs (tibialis, BOTH calf muscles) -never measurably trained low back strength (J curl, back extension etc) And on and on. This is the problem with mainstream fitness.

@flugrugger1benji585

26 күн бұрын

How about LEARN the true nuances of the squat. It’s not a simple movement to MASTER and it can be very beneficial when done correctly.

@ericmalitz

26 күн бұрын

@@flugrugger1benji585toddlers squat. It’s a basic human movement. There’s nothing to “learn.” The issue for people in the west is they simply stop accessing a squat position. And THEN come up with the idea that repping out partial range squats, with weight, and never accessing full knee flexion, is somehow a valuable asset.

It’s not a statement of if there is one way, it’s more a question of which way do you want to go & how long do you want to go for.

When I leave the gym I move just the same as I normally do ..I walk run sit bend down pick things up twist and turn when I have to. All without functional training. Describe a functional training exercise for a bus driver who sits down all day or the bartender who stands most of day and walks short distances

I started to train the brig 20 two years ago and no more spine pain

What about a trapbar?

I agree with these two gentlemen on the left. As a 58 y/o gentleman, I've always said what these two are saying, but you don't hear this spoken upon in the weightlifting/bodybuilding world. Much respect to these two and the show for having them on.👍👏🤝

Thing is, I want to look like I lift weights, it's just the look I want. I have poor genetics for building muscle (don't have evidence but I think I'm built more of slow twitch fibers) and I need to be lifting weights 4-5 times per week to maintain the body I want. I also play badminton, run, swim, but there is nothing wrong with resistance training being the focus for most people as long as it's done safely.

Man Im 48 now....been lifting since I wrestled in elementary school. Ive never really hurt myself, but for a handful of times. But I was a fool to NOT be stretching my shoulder & hip girdle(s). Wouldnt make it without it. Love doing 'functional' movements (as opposed to machine work) like i.e: Pull-ups, muscle-ups, pistol squats, sprinting, squats & deads (religiously), DB & BB Snatches and power clean galore.

Rocky is still working out hard traditionally and almost 80. I enjoyed my time in FP. Started doing it in feb of 2014. Was in it until 2019. Still do some "fp movements", but came to find balance is the best. I was athletic before fp and never injuried. This is something the fpers tend to not realize. There are plenty of strong, healthy and athleric people who never heard of fp. And there always will be. 🤭

@davidgraham7527

Ай бұрын

Agreed bro.

You should take a little bit of everything and use it, don't say this is wrong, this is wrong... Of course, if you constantly do deadlifts and squats, that's not okay. Several types of exercises should be used as taught by Loiue Simmons. 20% are squats and deadlifting and bench. Especially the heavy ones.

I've always seen different types of training as complementary but just as the FP movement elimination protocol, I guess this mindset is also a way to focus for good movement. Not impressed with the FP guys bashing other styles of movement. However, I like that MBPP gives a platform to different modalities like FP / ATG / crossfit etc. to showcase / give insight / inspire. Appreciated guys.

@markparish9045

Ай бұрын

Exactly they shit on EVERYONE

@EnoughSaid302

Ай бұрын

I agree. They could have 3 x the following if there PR was adjusted.

@HumanOptimization

Ай бұрын

​@@EnoughSaid302i think this pr is actually what keeps naudi a fringe millionaire.

@cholkymilkmirage4984

Ай бұрын

@@markparish9045they shit on them because a lot of what FP is completely against they do. So they have to say this stuff is wrong and we don’t believe in it. Vs everybody else who is basically Al doing the same thing but protocoled and implemented differently.

Insane this lasted 3 hours. Just getting more angry as I listen to this. I hope these cult members are getting paid well.

@albertozdil2076

Ай бұрын

What upset you about it?

@jagerpanda3561

Ай бұрын

@@albertozdil2076 these guys say that everything they do should make you a better sprinter. Which is a good training goal for the general population. But then they say they almost never program actual sprinting. That’s one point I could make. But there are probably a dozen more. The least we’ll spoken of the two, the short guy says that traditional lifting messed him up by the time he was 22. Well that’s his fault because he was ego lifting and a dummy with his training. Axial loading is important and a great way to build strength and size. These guys are jokes and it’s because they are in a cult.

@albertozdil2076

Ай бұрын

Sprinting is a guidepost for human biomechanics. FP practitioners use standing, walking, running (sprinting) and throwing as the benchmarks for good movement because they are the movements which characterize us as a species. Most people are unable to sprint in a way which improves their movement quality due to dysfunctions. If they were to sprint, they would do it poorly and worsen their dysfunctions. I think it would be fair to say that you could replace the word sprinting with movement quality - They are training in a way to improve movement quality, which is synonymous with improving sprinting. Rodney may have been “ego lifting” and that may have contributed to his dysfunctions, but the point being made is that traditional training creates far too much axial compression. In other words, traditional weight training is excessively oriented to lifting things up and down which makes it maladaptive. When you think about walking, running and throwing, what is the direction of force? The body is moving horizontally through space, rather than being used to lift objects against gravity. I don’t think they’re saying you shouldn’t lift anything, I think they are saying that the focus should be on producing force in a horizontal plane, with respect to the first four (standing, walking, running, and throwing.)

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

​@@jagerpanda3561L

functional patterns has great concepts. however naudi is a bit a whole man child I'm sorry bro but he is flippant online for views only because results don't get clicks. he also has this weird obsession of trying to prove everything else sucks and has a man crush for years on knees over toes guy. its all or nothing beware of the cult. have had some conversations with him and he acts militant and is always ready battle which is cool he is passionate but its to his own demise. puts other professions down, its just a horrible look ! i took the online courses and worked with practitioners for years but was told I still don't understand it unless I come to 2 $5000 training seminars 1000 miles away. with anything take it with a grain of salt. why would you limit yourself to one method? learn some tools that work best for your body and move on. the main function of this modality is to incorporate single side movements, build core strengthen but most importantly train lateral movement which tradition weight lifting misses

@michaelanthony4750

29 күн бұрын

Pretty interesting. This is the only argument in this entire comment section that addresses what I was wondering thanks.

Function implies purpose. Not everyone’s purpose is the same.

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

If you're human your body craves one purpose, everything else is a derivative of that.

Does he keep calling Nsima “Encino”? 😭😂

I find functional training very useful, After doing the big three for a combined hundreds of pounds for ever. I cough a 120 pound dog in my neighbor hood and walked this hyper, jumping around dog, half block and pulled something in my leg from all the random twisting and yanking.

When I was younger, I used to box. Later in life I discovered Aikido. Unfortunately, I was still young and stupid, so I believed in all the Aikido mojo until I tried started practicing boxing sessions few times a week. Not everything that is popular is actually worth your time, sometimes fundamentals are the best approach. Aikido was great for the community but as a martial ART it's shit. Boxing on the other hand works without a doubt. To many Gurus speak in absolutes and judge other modalities, these guys are not the exception. Mark was a professional powerlifter, was on heavy gear usage and was and is famous as a very strong and knowledgeable fitness person, and still these 2 gurus are acting like they know everything, and Mark has been wrong all his life. If they had to run, jump and throw my money is on Mark and he is older than both of them. I am not going to even mention Nsima, it would not be fair. Also, muscles and strength takes time, these guys obviously had not taken the time to build their bodies, it's easy to judge when there is no test to perform.

@slings7149

Ай бұрын

Nobody's speaking in absolutes, FP doesn't impose it's beliefs. Physics imposes Its laws on humans beings and FP simply applies that concept to hypertrophy training in relation to standing walking running and throwing