As a Dane, I must admit that sounds like something we would do :) Why throw out the revolvers, when you can head over to Andersen's workshop and see if you can make some sort of improvised modification instead? My dad's an engineer, and he's totally like that.

@alexandernoname6339

7 жыл бұрын

Naestved DK Really cool, today something like this would be called upcycling. Greetings from your southern neighbor-country

bullets with a wooden core and a metal jacket. Its amazing what people tried and what did and didn't catch on.

As a dane this was very interesting and educational. I wasn't aware that there was ever a gun manufacturer at Kronborg, so now I'm reading up on a bit of danish history I never knew about

@Olvorn

8 жыл бұрын

kronborg geværfabrik has been making weapons since before the war with the swedes, btw. im danish to :)

@maxmarklund7696

8 жыл бұрын

DANSKEFAN!

@xxrumlexx

8 жыл бұрын

This where danish people queue up?

@kaindestuto2053

8 жыл бұрын

Svensker.

@jonatanklugealbert3956

8 жыл бұрын

SKÅÅÅÅÅÅL!!!

Hey Ian, the markings with the A B stands for 2nd Artillery battalion, 4th company, 8th platoon. The crown, with the letter below, is the kings personal sigil; his Rex. This particular gun is marked with his Majesty King Christian the 9th sigil. The Rex is there because, in the danish military, all material belongs to the King (atm the Queen), which the military uses to defend his country. Best wishes from a former danish royal guardsman

@silas__3994

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the extra info, very cool and props to you for serving in the guard. Gud bevare Danmark.

@ms.blackfire2927

3 жыл бұрын

for gud konge og fædreland eller måske skulle jeg sige for gud dronning og fædreland

Such a length of service! I suppose if it ain't broke don't fix it!

I'm not even surprised that we kept them until the end of WW2. Not a fond time to look back at for us Danes. Also very interesting to see we had a factory like Kronborg Geværfabrik, I did not know that. :D And the marking on the side you mentioned could very well be for the artillery battalion, as it's basically the same in Danish: artilleri bataljon. Great video though!! :) Found you via The Great War!

+Forgotten Weapons I do believe that the replacement for these specifically would have been the SIG "Neuhausen" P210. The High Power was bought in lower numbers than the SIG's, as far as I know.

WOW, From this to the Hi-Power;??! This is like (extremely rough comparison...) going from a 4 function calculator to Win XP! I always learn from your channel, but I will say this video made me literally say "WOW"!

Ian, you have the BEST job in the entire world!

You deserve way more subscribers. This is really interesting educational information.

"I wonder what new service pistol Ill get instead of my old converted pinfire revolver... A double stack 9mm? Whaaat?" - a dane.

The .45 cartridge used a wood-cored bullet of only about 55 grains weight, traveling at some 1600 fps.

The fist means Second Artillery Battalion nr. 48. The second marking means Træn Afdeling nr 25, which is the earliest name for the Train Regiment (millitary logistics) which was under the artillery at the time. You're welcome ;)

@emilhajbert5326

6 жыл бұрын

Hvordan fandt du ud af det?

If i had all the money in the world I would just sit at these auctions and buy all the things....

Hey Ian, can you make videos or topics about exotic ammo types too? you always mention some different types of ammunition in your videos that I think it would be nice to show us more about. :)

@robert91rs

8 жыл бұрын

Third

Love these rare guns! great job Ian :)

We keep stuff around for a long time.. We kept the SIG P210 Neuhausen around since 1949... Still use them

It is very interesting that they kept them so long (not just the model, but the original guns), though I suppose artillery corp side arms are carried much and fired rarely. I would like to know more about the wood core bullets, very light, high velocity projectiles being an idea that is coming around again.

So did they store these in the arsenals right next to the maces and lances?

@FullSemiAuto357

8 жыл бұрын

MrChristoffer5700 You know what they say, If it ain't broke don't fix it. I only wish governments acted as frugal these days as they did back then. Of course, having that fiat printing press doesn't help.

The revolver is constructed by Georg Christensen Original was designated as "Omdrejningspistol (Rotation-gun) M.1865 / 97" The gun has also been designated as mandskabsrevolver (manning revolver) M. 1882 and as officersrevolver (officer's revolver) M. 1880/85 A total converted 850 pcs., Who received the model designation 1865 / "97". In 1899, a further 52 pcs., Converted to centerfire. These revolvers were sent to the West Indies. Proof markings are King Christian IX 'winding crown monogram 2. A.B stands for 2. Artilleri Bataljon. (2th Artillery Battalion.) and 48 stands likely for the year 1848 :)

I've said it once, and I'll say it again! I am a simple dane. I see danish, I press like.

The "Tr" markings could come from the term "Træn". The supply and logistics service in the Danish Army has always been labelled "Trænregimentet" - the train regiment. It was first raised with the first train companies within the Artillery in the 1860's but became an independent regiment later on. So it would make a lot of sense if this gun was issued to such troops before gaining independent status. The Train regiment is actually still subject to the Artillery even today.

Very interesting piece. Well as usually. All I miss is cartidge presentation. It wuld be nice to get all those old/obsolete cartidges on one place.

Hello there. Nice to see some danish stuff again. The 2. AB 48 probably refers to the 2nd artillery battery, since "battailon" is not used by the artillery. As of 1867 there were 12 batteries of field artillery. This was more or less unchanged until 1909.

@mossbergmaniac1947

8 жыл бұрын

Danish Artillery isn't organized into battalions?

@peterkluwer8913

8 жыл бұрын

+Elizeheimer Francenweiser it wasn't until 1909 that the artillery was organised in battalion sized elements, called "afdelinger" (much like German "abteilungen." ) But as we speak the entire Danish army only posses one battery of m109. what a disgrace

@mossbergmaniac1947

7 жыл бұрын

That's crazy, I was a cannoneer in the Marines and we have something like 15 battalions of M777 and HIMARs.

That's a very interesting one for sure

Interesting to see a video about a gun from my own country :-)

love 2 se ur vids - and it makes me happy 2 se that danish arms got so mutch interrest -- thanks yeahr

Hahah 1865, that's a year after a very dark time in danish history (look up denmark 1864). Maybe that's why we figured we needed some new gats.

@julemandenudengaver4580

6 жыл бұрын

Eurotrash RC oer loos af Sydjylland.... Some of it got ee back in 1920 after a folkvote ond those zones..... An after ww2 wee where afsked by the Allies that wee coudt get the last back form the 1884 war but we vent by tne voting an the 1920 border dtayed

Although rare these guns are available for sale in Denmark. They are legally treated as regular guns and require a license here because they will load and fire a .450 Adams cartridge - a necked down .455 Webley

It's 1940 and you're armed with a 1865/97 revolver and a 1867/96 rolling block :/

@peterfoghnielsen7831

8 жыл бұрын

They were armed with 1889 Krag-Jørgensen rifles and Madsen recoilrifles

@Gungeek

8 жыл бұрын

Peter Fogh Nielsen everyone?

@MrTejlgaard

8 жыл бұрын

The soldiers who actually resisted the Germans were armed with something much better - the Madsen 20mm Machinecanon mounted in the sidewagon of a Nimbus Motorcycle. They apparently had the power to disable the tanktracks on the light panzers, as well as blow apart engine blocks of troop transports. Then they ran away and did the same thing again further down the road. While Denmark did fall every bit as much as France, Poland and The Netherlands to the German blitzkrieg, it seems like the small amount of Danish resistance may have helped the Norwegians a bit in getting prepared. Ideally, we'd have mined our straits and blown apart our bridges, but you know, nobody is perfect and Hitler had threatened to firebomb Copenhagen like he did Warsaw. I think the government decided discretion was the better part of valor.

@peterfoghnielsen7831

8 жыл бұрын

***** Yes every combat unit. Some motorcycle/bicycle units were amred with carabines. As Mads Tejlgaard Olesen said, there were also 20mm machinecanon motorbikes.

@Gungeek

8 жыл бұрын

Peter Fogh Nielsen didn't static units have the older stuff? ;/

Nice gun, Ian

It's so cool to see how they dovetailed the new firing pin into the existing hammer. : )

Wooden cored, Nickle plated? Vampire Hunter gun!

To start of. Markings are as suggested 2. Artillery Battalion. Tr.A. stands for Traenafdeling, which was the Danish Artillery Corps' logistical unit. It is true that the gun was phased out as late as 1940, but from 1880 most guns were simply kept in stock for the reserve army or used by support unit officers. Interstingly around 50 of these guns were deployed with the Danish West Indies Army Corps. (From 1916 US Virgin Islands). The West Indies guns apparently did not have a trigger guard, but a fold-up trigger.

That is a hell of a service life. I can not think of off to the top of my head any military weapon in a major country that had such a long service life. I guess they really liked these revolvers. That is the most simple safety ever. That is a kind of safety I would put on some home made gun I produce in my wood shop.

Ian, i found out that A B means Artilleri batalion. some others were marked Tr. A for train department.

Excellent!

Tr. A. might refer to a particular battery the gun was stationed to. When it was first made, heavy artillery wasn't really mobile, so makes sense. and Tr. could be an abbreviation for a few southern towns/cities back home... Very interesting video, and very educational. Happy to learn about weapons made back home in DK. Oh, and our pronounciation of 'fabrik' is similar to German, so not ba! ;-)

Well - if it aint broken dont fix it. Nice video thanks

It’s like a danish 1911, a gun that just won’t fail.

That´s right. Second Artillery Bat. Number 48.

2.A.B. likely stands for 2nd Artillery Battery. The number 48 is like number 48 of these assigned til this unit.

The Lanyard ring almost looks as if it was designed for a shoulder sling to stable th gun when aiming. Like an MP5k

@mysss29

7 жыл бұрын

...oh, yeah! o_O I suppose that would even have worked with the lanyard attached in the usual place...but I doubt that that was ever done, since the whole stockless submachine gun shooting technique is radically different from the one-handed pistol shooting style that--as far as I know--was universally used until some time after WWII.

We'd appreciate if you put the links to your videos you mention - in the description or somewhere. For example that Schouboe pistol. ;)

Hey Ian, are you gonna do a video on the Mateba that's up for sale?

I didn't catch that, is it single action only? Or can you flip the safety off when it's not cocked? As always a great video!

out standing

Ian, can the lanyard loop also capture the hammer?

Love the video, but I gotta know what watch you wear. I keep trying to figure it out in each video but can't. Its just eating at me, so what is it?

Cool gun! Got a question though....i noticed you did not say if it was D.A capable or S.A only. Thanks in advance.

Ian, you didn't mention the knob thing on the base of the butt.It seems to have slight knurling, and a big screw slot, as if it is a user-operated part. What is its purpose?

@joemontgomery6658

3 жыл бұрын

Ah! C&Rsenal’s podcast for this week talked about this, it is used to hold the grips/sides together and the knurling is for easier removal during disassembly

"Tr.A" stands for "Tropp A" on Danish. Translates to Troop A. And the letters in front (2. A.R. 48.) most likely stands for "Artilleri Regiment" which translates directly to Artillery regiment. Btw..could that lanyard loop function as an extra safety by looping over a cocked hammer? Might me a stupid question, but the dimentions seem to fit the bill..

when you sell the firearms, would be a nice touch to add printed information you found about the piece, as usealy, guns tell a part of history.

@farmerboy916

8 жыл бұрын

Considering that it's not him (nor even RIA, considering they're simply an auctionhouse) he can't.

Hello, Ian! Could you take a look at the IA2 assault rifle? It appears to be a reliable gun. There is the 5.56 caliber with rotating bolt, and the 7.62 NATO caliber with the tilting breechblock bolt i think. Could you make a video about then? Requested.

Very good pronunciation, almoste danish

Der er et yndigt land. It always makes me proud to be a dane when i hear about us from other nationalities :D

I feel like Ian is dropping hints to dice

In 1864 the Danes got their butt handed to them by the Germans in the 2. Schleswig war. So by 1865 they knew they would never win another war regardless of their armament. So it makes good sense to adopt a gun that would last 100 years and would never be fired in anger. The Danes were never happy spending money on defense.

6:53 - One interesting detail can it's back loop which your thum on lock hammer in back position? Just interested can it be double purpose.

@mysss29

7 жыл бұрын

3:19

@karlw7143

3 жыл бұрын

It looks like an odd coincidence, if it wasn’t intended to what you suggested then it sure might by accident, very odd choice...

I think that the tr. A might Mean trup artiller, which roughly means artillary battalion. The rest of the markings i have No clue tho

well, this is surprising as a danish person :D (and saying it with a german accent is dangerously close to the real way :P )

What happened to your cool intro video you used to use?

That has to be the most mangled pronunciation of Schouboe I've ever heard

I,m Dan and i love Dan the US and the uk!

if this revolver was finally phased out and replaced by the Browning Hi-Power, who was doing the replacing? Which authority made these decisions if the country was occupied by Germany? Similar situation to Vichy France? Was Germany's idea to arm the Danes so they could defend the country against e.g. attack by Russia? Am quite well-read on most history but this detail is intriguing.

@SuperBamse100

8 жыл бұрын

The danish military was not disbanded until 1943, the germans really had no intentions to "arm the Danes". They knew that the vast majority of the population had no interest in fighting the Soviet Union or the Allies. So arming them would be huge mistake. Also the Browning Hi-power was not brought into service until after the liberation!

@Surv1ve_Thrive

7 жыл бұрын

Emil Andersen Interesting. Thank you.

Thanks Ian near .43 Rus. ?

Very interesting revolver. Was there a problem converting this gun to smokeless powder since in 1865 it was designed for blackpowder?

@Nukle0n

8 жыл бұрын

Since it used a wood-cored bullet it was probably fine with shooting a very small load of smokeless powder.

@Nukle0n

8 жыл бұрын

Well, it wasn't just a wood bullet, but a wooden cored bullet. So you'd need to forge some bullets with a hole in the back for putting in a piece of wood I'd guess? Dunno if there's any youtubers with the equipment for that.

Did they make the cartridge rimmed? Because pinfire has no rim.

I love how you always butcher the Danish names. It makes the video a little more entertaining for me ;) If i ever make it to the US i'll make sure to drop by and do a little consulting for you on Scandinavian firearms :)

@kristofferolsen8973

8 жыл бұрын

Madsen is a good example. The "d" is silent.

@Gjoufi

8 жыл бұрын

You are aware off, that there are more than one language in the world right?

@rollespil1000

7 жыл бұрын

The tricky thing about Danish is that words are often not spelled the way they are pronounced. "Gunpowder" is spelled "krudt" in Danish, but is pronounced "Krutt". And "bullet", which we spell "kugle", is pronounced "ku-le".

The lanyard strap looks almost like it could fold over the hammer as a safety.

If you have a small requirement (1000 weapons), I suppose it makes more economic sense to convert the existing weapons to newer technology than to replace them.

wooden bullets... i guess that sounded less crazy back then.

Tr. A would be "Troop A" in the US military lingo. Not sure about the Danish translation.

Awsome 👉💨

Hey, 90 or so years of service? M1911's not far behind with 74 years of service (U.S. Army specifically) & even LONGER in other branches of the U.S. military in many forms.

If you are a Dane but live somewhere that isn't Denmark. I believe .45 caliber guns are illegal for civilian ownership, the largest caliber is .44, and yes that's a dumb distinction. Not sure if there's some kinda threshold for antiques though, especially since the ammo for this is probably not available. Also, applauds for the attempt at Danish pronunciation, but you seem to have reverted to your old "Schouboe" pronunciation, it'd be more like "Skow-boh", with a hard ch and not a soft one.

@mysss29

7 жыл бұрын

11.5mm is probably closer to .44 than .45; but these designations are very iffy and almost never exact projectile diameter. Also, bore size varies too depending on measuring from land to land or groove to groove, for example.

Hey r u guys in Maine right now cause I'm a Couple miles away from the rock island auction house and I could meet u guys

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

RIA is in Illinois.

@Owen_5505

8 жыл бұрын

+Forgotten Weapons but isn't there one in Maine to

@misterrocketman

8 жыл бұрын

Nope, that's the James D. Julia Auction House.

Where have I heard of Gayorg (Edit:Georg) Christianson before?

@SuperBamse100

8 жыл бұрын

Georg?

@SgtKOnyx

7 жыл бұрын

Probably, as I am a stupid American lol

FIRST... time I've seen this video.

Were they ever upgraded to smokeless or were they still using black powder in WWII?

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

The centerfire cartridge was smokeless.

@AaronMacks

7 жыл бұрын

ahh, ok. thanks

Is that "sling loop" able to flip forward to retain the hammer at full cock?

@mysss29

7 жыл бұрын

3:19

i think thats a bit over the top ... designing a whole new bullet, just to use in a converted vintage gun, of which only 1500 pieces were around. you could call that an interesting approach.

1865-1945-my math says 81 years....

Does anyone even make pinfire cartridges anymore?

@ForgottenWeapons

8 жыл бұрын

Not commercially.

@Jesses001

8 жыл бұрын

I think someone might still make those tinny little novelty mini pistol ones. No brand. They come in a clear plastic box. often sold to tourists. I do not even know what county they are being made in. Most likely some fellow in a hut using hand tools.

@crazyfvck

8 жыл бұрын

+Mudcrab I've seen kits to make them yourself on Gunbroker. Not cheap, but it would allow you to fire the gun every once and a while.

Uploaded 38sec ago :3

Urgh... Schouboe [skow-beau] BTW, that sounds like typical Danish military - using 100 year old tech while everyone else gets the new stuff.

try finnish suomi kp-31 submachine gun

its the dannish version of americas 1911 basicly

@erikthomsen4768

7 жыл бұрын

Their is one difference, the artillery always gets the big guns. Does this sound funny?

guns

lol this gun is from my city

Thanks, now if I bid I'll have to pay the F/W premium. You know my pinfire fetish. Super rare, working, odd ammo, I bet it goes for 2X or 3X the estimate.

@farmerboy916

8 жыл бұрын

_Pinefire_ fetish, not pinfire? You should move to California then, lots of pine fires.

@rlbadger1698

8 жыл бұрын

And you? Spelling fetish?

@rlbadger1698

8 жыл бұрын

LOL?

@rlbadger1698

7 жыл бұрын

I was wrong, sold for $995. Well below estimate.

It's pronounced *"Gihveahfahbrek"* (with a guttural R)

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Next time I will put a potato in my mouth before pronouncing it. Apparently that's the easiest way to get Danish right. ;)

if it ain't broke,

Kronborg is basicly a zoo now. One of the current Kronborg Even made a tv show about him going to Afrika like his forefathers to Explore Local cryptid rumors called "the last dinosaur"

Still better then the reichsrevolver

I'm just about DONE with KZread. I don't want to see an ad for Johnson/Weld for President when trying to watch Forgotten Weapons. Weld made the assault weapons ban PERMANENT in Massachusetts during his run as governor. He backstabbed the gun community who helped him get into office. He is hated more than anyone can imagine I'm MA. I'm going over to Full30 to watch.

@jonathandalton2921

8 жыл бұрын

or just use adblock?

@PartTimeJedi

8 жыл бұрын

adblock doesnt stop ads on the KZread app, I even tried adblock plus and it still plays ads.

@jakemalette8105

8 жыл бұрын

There is always full30.com

@PartTimeJedi

8 жыл бұрын

ohhhh im using the KZread app. ill try it in Chrome.

@PartTimeJedi

8 жыл бұрын

+Bogmire777 lol aaaahhh safe space with my carbine! lol

To speak Danish just pretend to vomit while speaking :P

@azuritet3

8 жыл бұрын

as opposed to German where you pretend to sneeze, or French where you pretend to yawn.

@rollespil1000

8 жыл бұрын

There are two good rules if you want to speak Danish to me. #1: Get drunk. Your slurred speech will make you pronounce the words better. #2: Get me some beer too. I will pretend to understand you while I drink.

@exploatores

8 жыл бұрын

I tried that one but the floor got upp and hit me Before, I could :)