Jellyfish actually use on of the most efficient means of traveling known in the animal kingdom. They create vortexes between contraction and expulsion, when the vortex is filled they are pushed forward. A completely deliberate and controlled method of traveling. One of the most efficient means of traveling in the animal kingdom.

I didn't struggle to understand him. His speech is pretty clear.

Without seeing the studies, I have felt this way for years and have attempted to tell my community and audience of it. I'm happy to be able to share this now with them. Beautiful talk Daniel !!!

@emiki6

3 жыл бұрын

If you reply I will tell you a more profound model.

@StarKillerSith1

Жыл бұрын

@@emiki6 Tell me

@emiki6

Жыл бұрын

​@@StarKillerSith1 I'm not sure what I wanted to write back then, but rewatching the video I think it's the following: Generally movement is too fast, to receive and process sensory input, so you just don't use it in moves you already know. Sensory input is mostly used in retrospect. You want to move in a particular way, the CNS predicts what it needs to tell the body to replicate what you want, then the body moves and you observe the result. If the result is deviated from your will, then the sensory stuff is taken into consideration and the CNS finetunes the commands to match what you want better. If you practice a movement a lot of time, you get proficient in it and can execute it increasingly fast, accurate and precise. The CNS commands work this way: The goal isn't to flex the muscle, but to move the joints and that is translated to how much each muscle have to flex and when. The distance of the muscles to the CNS is different, thus the time for the signals to get there is different. The CNS have to be aware of the delay and send the signals sooner to the muscles further and later for the muscles nearer, to produce synchronous movement. Punches are a good example. A perfect punch is executed, when every muscle flexes at the right time and there is a quasi-solid structure assembled for a moment exactly when the punch lands. If that is fulfilled the the puncher will hit like a truck. It's more technique than force, because it relies on supporting the punch, not throwing it. The person told me this refers to it as "seismic punch", because when he hits the sandbag this way, there's can be heard a specific bang sound. There is nowhere for the force to "leak" because of the perfect support and it all goes into the bag from the floor. If the punch lacks synchronicity, the force will leak and the puncher need much more brute strength to achieve the same result in punching force. Also if the spine, shoulders etc aren't held in a particular way, then the structure isn't supported by the solid bone structure, but the flexible tendons and muscles to keep the integrity, thus force will leak. All the bones and joints needs to be aligned to an arch, that connects the opponent to the floor through a punch, thus the performer will "hit the opponent with the floor". For this, the CNS needs to send the right kind of impulses, to the right muscles, at the right time. To do this, there is a movement program that the CNS developed before by practice and now, just executes it. There are movement programs for everything. There are fundamental programs that control singular joints, the next layer is bi-jount movements and so on. If your fundamental programs are screwed, you are at a disadvantage, you will be weaker, less flexible and prone to injury. The more a kid moves the more chance there is to develop good programs. Also, programs are somewhat inherited genetically and you also mimics your parents, so if they move well or badly, you will copy it. Talent is a big factor, some can learn movements and develop good programs fast, other struggle and have to consciously counter their lack of talent, while never reaching the level of the talented one.

@istvanheimer1845

Ай бұрын

@@emiki6 great, thanx! I was wondering: what about music? I mean how do we learn to appreciate Mozart or Beethoven? Raeding or the nature is easier, isn't it?

@emiki6

Ай бұрын

@@istvanheimer1845 írhatom magyarul amit gondolok? :D

I learned so much from this Ted Talk. Thank you very much the creators that made this happen!

I suspect a lot of the difficulty in teaching robots to move in a humanlike manner is that humans base our decisions on probability, and are constantly reevaluating, whereas machines think in terms of absolute certainty, which is a concept which doesn't apply to the real world. Ironic, then, that humans have such a tendency to seek out certainty, and in doing so, become more robot-like.

@jerryknewtwd9751

4 жыл бұрын

Shawn Ravenfire your statement is highly profound and important in the development of machine learning.

@CreepyMemes

7 ай бұрын

10 years later and Ai is based on probability

The first thing that came to mind when I saw this was Ido Portal lol.

@BedVerhoef

8 жыл бұрын

found this because of ido! an incredible human!

wow...one of the best TED I have watched

simply genius. Great experimental design, and incredible ability to see the big picture...people always forget to bring it down to the basics! Movement!

I find his assertions VERY intriguing, but he hasn't completely sold me on the idea that the brain exists ONLY to control movement. Certainly this might be true in lower life forms. Aso one could argue that absolutely anything that is perceived as changing is movement. Typing and writing and talking all involve movement but their GOAL is to express thought.

Weird, I was just thinking and writing about this a few days ago, wondering if good robotic movement systems were already using the method (i mean it just seems so obvious): To use a constantly running internal simulation to control the speed of movements, based on how accurately your internal simulation seems to be predicting the real-world movement results (ie: giving robots a self-limiting sense of "confidence"). I'm glad to see it's already got a name: "Bayesian Inference". Yay learning!

Fantastic talk, thanks!

wow, this video really showed me a new perspective. thanks TED! :D

Excellent! Enjoyed it very much.

I've attended a talk of him a couple of days ago and he is still using the first couple of slides that he used in this video from over 6 years ago ^.^

@eyelid222

5 жыл бұрын

what about message? Message also the same?

@muhammadarafat6630

5 жыл бұрын

This video had actually been uploaded seven years before you wrote this comment, so....

interesting, I'm trying to think about how to minimise noise in my movements when playing guitar/piano/drums now.

@IIiTzVicII : Amazing that so many of us see the world through our television, and not much beyond that.

Este video cambió para siempre la relación que tengo con el movimiento y también con mi profesión como kinesiólogo 🙏🏽

@gaiagale He does focus pretty exclusively on the movement bit, I agree. And I too believe that the human brain has evolved beyond the point where every function can neatly be related to movement. Perhaps we can draw two main lessons from this though: A: The brain survives and is indeed favoured in evolution, primarily because it allows complex movement. B: Keeping [A] in mind is probably smart when studying/contemplating anything related to "brained" animals, humans included.

good talk. interestingly, the start uses the exact same argument, almost in the same way, that Rodolfo Llinas made in "I of the Vortex" (2002) if anyone is curious about more sources

Nice talk - at times a bit simplistic in it's approach but I'm sure that's necessary to make it understandable for a wider audience. Truth be told the Bayesian statistics part didn't surprise me the least, but it's nice to have the suspicion confirmed.

I'm so glad KZread put a banner under this video to provide additional context on Climate change for why we have brains. Clearly, it's not to correct wrong-think by applying banners to the bottom of KZread videos.

Fantastic talk, can't wait to see where this all leads ^.^

Great video.

@theoriginalanomaly The point is... it isn't some simple algorithm that will take computers to the next level. It would be incredibly complex and brilliant code written to evaluate positions with complex strategical evaluations. This mixed with the brute force method. But just think how complicated it would be to create a strategical evaluation that can compare with piece evaluation and still be able to break strategical rules if/when the position requires it.

9:24 This is the magic of sports where for the most part things happen so quickly that decision-making has to be made almost unconsciously, meaning it's mainly an intuitive process rather than a conscious one. And as neuroscience already suggests, the unconscious portion of the mind is orders of magnitude faster and more capable than the conscious mind which theoretically equates no more than a 56kbps dial-up modem.

@funincluded oh, you're right! That's a form of communication that requires no muscles to either send nor receive. And supposedly trees do communicate to eachother via smells, ie: Signalling distress. When one tree is under attack from insects, other trees nearby will change their sap chemistry to be less palatable to the insects.

I love these ted talks.

As a young man, Richard Feynman would pace when trying to solve a radio repair puzzle. Albert Einstein is reported to have said he did his thinking while in motion.

@Llewellyn124 I know what you mean. But I also know that it isn't that simple either. Most games or positions can only be won with 1 set series of moves. For example sacrifice of the queen may be the start of a series of 12 moves. And only 1 variation of the 12 moves would win... whereas the other 12^30 moves would lead most likely lead to high percentage of losses. Therefore a program to follow the highest percentage of win would avoid winning.

This is great the green and red combine nicely to give yellow

LMAAO at the Professor's tenure analogy, hilarious :D

I generally make 1.5 movements a day. I definitely do these movements to avoid the negative noisy consequences that come about if I hold it in.

got to be one of the most interesting talks in a while.... that and the Norden Bombsight

@2bsirius Because the amount of permutations per move for Chess is far less than Go. Most computers, such as Deep Blue, will compute many moves in advance or to the end of the game to determine the 'best' move. There are too many possibilities for in each move in Go to do this.

@gaiagale I hadn't heard of it before, but I just finished watching it. Thanks a lot for the heads up, it was very enjoyable, in much the same way as I enjoyed 'Waking Life'. At this point my thoughts are too chaotic and disorganized for me to partake in any serious discussion of it. I'll watch it again in a couple of weeks, and then I might have some thoughts for you.

This actually makes a lot of sense.

The cup girl was very impressive, but that feat was from trained muscle memory, far more than from conscious thought. It took disciplined cognition to create the pattern, yes, but it was trial&error through repetition, with on-site storage, that allowed that intense speed. To transfer this to robotics, the motion sensors must have their own abilities for learned pattern recall. The brain at that point commands "perform series X" and the body does it. Unless, like he said, there is added input.

@iDokoV most people can tickle themselves, but as he said in thsi vid "not as good as someone else" he never said nobody can tickle themselves, he was very clear.

@gaiagale - Perhaps I interpreted your question wrong. I see now that you were simply implicating D.W.'s concept as not including two potent aspects of brain functioning: thinking and feeling. "beings" vs "doings": In fact, even at apparent rest, the subconscious is constantly panning and "doing" things to keep us alive: breathing, blood circulation, food digestion, etc., etc., etc. "protect them first": Emotions help us evaluate past actions and assess priorities for future actions.

2:18 Guy in 2nd row, blue shirt, is a tenured professor.

@metalitia4

3 жыл бұрын

no, he is definitely pre-tenure (no gray hair) and reassessing his life choices . Guy in black in front of him is tenured and obvs feels called out

Best channel ever

excellent ! Staring brick by brick vertically upwards from visual thinking to meta cognition of abstract conceptual thinking. I would wait to hear from you when you reach that level using your scientific methodology.

@akosdemeter1943

6 жыл бұрын

This.

The predictive element of the movement process lends credence to the notion of ‘visualizing’ a movement for success. See the free throw going in before shooting the ball…

Ironic that brains exist to facilitate the movements of the body, while more than one philosopher have dreamed of the possibility of existing as a brain independent of the body...

@ThElitE LOL at the guy on the left, stony faced, unreserved agreement :D

Certainly animals evolved a nervous system INITIALLY to guide movement. A good example is in the evolution of bilateral symmetry and then the positioning of optical sensory apparatus at one end. This is observable in this basic, fundamental form in planaria. Planaria are super simple animals what cannot really "see" much but can sense light and dark and movement. The positioning of the sensory apparati at one side only allows a creature to have a sense of direction, and move TOWARD or AWAY.

@gaiagale Ah, I might've rushed that one a bit. These comments don't allow much elaboration. What I meant is that when one tries to achieve some higher understanding of the behavior of any animal with a brain, [A] may be one of the premises one should remember. I was primarily thinking of epistemology and psychology when I wrote my reply (I'm studying philosophy of science these days), but I think it may well apply in any area concerning the behavior of beings who have a brain to speak of.

@Cyllid , interesting, but what charachter from Avatar the movie. Is "driving" a robot with your mind a similar idea? Isint that where hes going with this?

@amjams To each his own. I think even Wolpert would agree that once the simplest brains developed for movement, evolutionary pressures favored other features as well, like abstract thought in humans. It's just all built on a common foundation.

Nerdgasm at 2:16 lol I love these TED talks ^_^ ^ unrelated comments

@amjams I don't think he was suggesting that the brain was only useful for movement. Just that movement was its primary purpose.

Absolutely agree, robots are programmed before hand what to do whereas humans make predictions based on past experiences and probability as you mentioned. There's an interesting video on Ted from Jeff Hawkins

Very interesting,

The fact that the brain is situated at the front of the animal and near sensory organs associated with feeding is telling really. For that reason alone it could be argued that brains pertain to finding food by sense and locomotion. Locomotion more importantly as sensing food would be torture if you couldn't move to reach it.

@syntheticsteve I agree with your statement that the human form is a machine. I disagree with the premise that a human being is his or her form. Consciousness is first cause as Planck and so many other scientists have stated. "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." - Max Planck

They do have a nervous system though, such movement wouldn't really work without some inter-connectivity, It might work using other means of synchronization, but as said, jellyfish do have a nervous system, they are actually quite aware of their sorroundings with some species going as far as having having rudimentary eyes

I love this guy. :)

Good martial arts/self-defense lesson: 17:06-18:20

@3:00 - Regarding the dexterity of optimizing robotic movement, things are much more advanced than depicted at this point in Wolpert's talk. Please see the following video to learn more: /watch?v=ag-txw4KUgo

@hilariofreire roughly the same classical musicians would think about deathmetal, acid trance or dubstep? Loads of noise, but once you understand the patterns and purpose of the noise it can become beautiful.

Thank you for the

@brendencatherwood1208

Жыл бұрын

Wise words my brotha from anotha motha

@garett6774

Жыл бұрын

​@@brendencatherwood1208okay chump

@panniize no problem, mate. I'm from Brazil btw, howdy

This is profoundly interesting psychologically and suggests that below the subconscious there is a need go move, the body's basic intelligence? The appeal of sports at all levels, perhaps.

@seemysig well i cant say for tears and earwax, nor heat. but the other area all control by muscles, just like breathing.

Listening to him made my throat weary.

@amjams I think you might have missed the point of the talk. He's basically asking "Why don't plants have brains?" and answering, "Because they don't move." If an individual member of some random species loses a limb and somehow manages to kill and eat more critters in its lifetime than most other individuals, that has no bearing on what the limb's original evolutionary purpose was or the value of that purpose to all the species who have limbs.

He also have a very sharp sense of humor.

@2bsirius Chess is a simpler game to predict than GO!. There are, at most, 100 or so possible moves in chess at any one time. Very large numbers of those moves can be ignored because of immediate consequence, so most of the time, chess is reduced to a few dozen moves or less per turn. GO! on the other hand doesn't lend itself to such easy determination. It has as many moves, but none are easily ignored. The consequences of moves aren't as clear cut as in chess.

great

But if u have some thing liked locked in syndrome where you can no longer move why doesnt the brain start deteriating away? What happens there?

He sounds like Stewie

@nicolasmrn

3 жыл бұрын

haha true

@CGMossa And why using the left is better than the right? X)

@racpembertondual can you describe her? i'm not sure which lady you mean

We think with our minds; we move with our brains. You are not a gray slug wrapped in a wonderful hasmat suit. You are a mind that is connected to a brain that is connect to a body.

@sausage4mash oh. Well i guess to be honest i'm not really too interested, until it seems that the paper contradicts my points (ie: parallel subconscious mental processes silently bolster conscious decision making). From your description of the paper so far, it doesn't seem like there is a contradiction. Which is why i'm currently concentrating on our conversation at hand, as i suspect we may be miscommunicating in some way. KZread is hard to chat with :(

@gaiagale what does a child have to do? absorb social rules to abide by them in the future.. eat.. learn how to respond.. learn the constancies of the physical world, and in turn that it can act on it.. it learns properties of materials and the properties of the self.. it's all movement-based. really. it makes beautiful sense.

@mattmoore111 this is a hypothesis about the relationship between movement and the human brain. It has nothing to do with what you asked. It's like asking how germ theory explains planetary motion. It doesn't, it's unrelated.

@gaiagale "The real reason for brains" is more than just "control movement" I would suggest you think a little about how much movement is involved in everything we do. Even the highest reaches of spiritual or philosophical thought, if it influences the way we respond to the world in any manner, involves modifying our movements. I really cant think of any use of the brain that wouldn't alter our movement to some, although maybe small, degree.

@MrCattlehunter good one!

What about emitting smells?

Indeed one might argue that the placement of the concentration of sensory apparatuses is even more significant than the brain itself.

@KimbleyComputer a noob is doing the uploads? i always go for 1080p on my videos :)

One implication here is that we know nothing with certainty; knowledge is based on practical probability.

What is the psychological phenomenon of this subtraction of self-generated force (either in pain or tickling) called?

I don't think that it's only his accent. I mean, imagine yourself trying to give a talk with such complexity in less than 20 minutes (which seems like the amount of time they have given him), you would surely hurry speaking. But Idk, it seems like some people who are familiar with his accent haven't found difficulty understanding him, so...

So does the animal with the largest relative brain size have the most complex movements and uses?

After the dots at minute 16:26 I really want to dance :D

17:07 you laugh you lose

V fab thank you. Good luck tho in finding a future or world outside the mind.

@ScorpiaX by delta G , do you mean Gib's free energy?

@likearock5945 : Yup, I was thinking more in the line of bacterium that use flagellum to move and amoebas.

@2bsirius the previous dude is right. but computers still could outpay even the best players if they had enough computing power which would be about (power of a modern multi-tower server)^6

This guy is really nice. He could tell me I have cancer and I'd be like, "thanks!"

I'm addicted to Ted

See, Ted talks are still awesome.

@MGordge probably tenured professors :3

Yup movement is ontological primary, physics shows it. All objects are primary made from motion. Reproduction is not an end though, it is a means of survival. The end is survival.

4:50 the robots are probably thinking "GO TO THE RECYCLE BIN YOU FLESH BORN SHOW OFF!"

@merezk No thanks, I'll watch TED's nice intro.

@lightandbeautiful Wow, you're insane. I thought you were from this post, but going to your channel confirmed it.