2023 :- VTEC kicked in YO! 2024 :- Brakes on fire YO!

@aptwo916

19 күн бұрын

test

I think Model 3 Performance need "Track Package" like the Model S Plaid, to have bigger brake kit + more aggressive alignment + different software calibration. Otherwise for now this is mainly to embarrass supercar off traffic light, and embarrass itself on the circuit.

@sub7up.

20 күн бұрын

@@RDSAlphard It does 0-60 well.. other than that it got nothing.. 60-130 is like 10seconds..

@carterlongcor3233

20 күн бұрын

@@sub7up. american 2024 m3p does 0-130mph in 12 seconds

@sub7up.

20 күн бұрын

@@carterlongcor3233 So 0-60 in 2,9... And 9 seconds 60-130? Thats what i told you....

@chewthegum

20 күн бұрын

​@@sub7up. Are we going to pretend that a 8.9s 60-130 is a bad time for a 500hp, 4,000lb car? It's better than BMW M3 xDrive.

@xaviart4727

20 күн бұрын

@@sub7up. rolling start from 9-100 is 3.1s and 0-100 is 3.3s in europe.

Is this a record for the brakes to give up... ? 😬

@nikpapado9785

20 күн бұрын

He needs to download the new breaks 😂

@Schaufelor

20 күн бұрын

@@nikpapado9785 🤣

@qrs13

20 күн бұрын

@@nikpapado9785hoping for over the air update in next release 😂

@tonyhall06

20 күн бұрын

for this youtube channel, probably. but outside of youtube, chinese car xiaomi su7 has a much faster record and that car does not give driver much feedback when the brake pad is gone.

@nikpapado9785

20 күн бұрын

@@qrs13 I wish I could also download a glass window for my GT3, it's been recalled and the estimated time of delivery is 4 weeks.

Hyundai ioniq 5 N

This shows once more how impressive the thermal management of the Hyundai Ioniq 5N is

@MikusTG

20 күн бұрын

Yeah but the price difference is really high also.

@Ignacio.Romero

20 күн бұрын

The european M3P has a downgraded battery pack compared to the US one

@Explow23

20 күн бұрын

What is wrong with Tesla's thermal management?

@sandroschtolpe6803

20 күн бұрын

​@@Ignacio.RomeroDoes an upgraded battery make better brakes too?

@freakattack6890

20 күн бұрын

​@@MikusTGBecause its better.

Damn, I love the accent of the owner. It's absolutely unique and sounds very clear and distinctive. Love the new colour on the M3P as well. Tesla needs to come up with a track pack with upgraded brakes and pads ASAP!

@pilotobajista

20 күн бұрын

@mountainpassperformance are your guys

@teckofficialCZ

20 күн бұрын

I would say that is a good czech english :D

@qrs13

20 күн бұрын

@@teckofficialCZwe are saying Czenglish

@duangc3280

20 күн бұрын

Model 3 not M3.

@FlyWithTyy

20 күн бұрын

Track pack with slightly increased horse power would be awesome as well and a bit more power at the top end of its acceleration

Ioniq 5N for the win

@allcan4175

3 күн бұрын

😂🤣

Look at me … now I am getting excited about disk upgrade on a Tesla. The current setup doesn’t seem to be the name performance worthy. Live the enthusiasm of the owner. Keep us up to date!!

@Itsallfun3000

20 күн бұрын

Yeah be interesting to see if it can be improved enough to do the whole lap. A lot of heavy batteries to slow down

@assortednuts8436

20 күн бұрын

@@Itsallfun3000 it’s 1.9 tonnes, over 200kg lighter than a c63 Amg. Should be fine on some aftermarket brakes.

@PistonAvatarGuy

20 күн бұрын

What it needs is a braking grid, like a diesel locomotive, then the braking problem will be solved, but everything else will overheat instead! Aren't electric cars awesome?

@davids.6671

20 күн бұрын

​​@@Itsallfun3000 a bmw m3 does not even have batteries and weights 1850kg as well. What are you talking about? Other discs and more heat resistant pads and it will work. For the normal user this pads have to work at -20° and braking hard on cold pads.

@Itsallfun3000

20 күн бұрын

@@davids.6671 I'm talking about slowing all that mass down in this tesla. Not an M3 or whatever other car

„Hyundai Ionic 5N please hold my beer.“ Two laps no temperature or brake problems out of the box.

@pieflies

20 күн бұрын

It is 50% more expensive though. Still no excuse for Tesla not to put better brakes. Even if it adds $5k to the price.

@bbokdoong

20 күн бұрын

​​@@piefliesM3P with $20k modification still would not be able to compete with I5N. So the 50% higher price is justified.

@mefobills279

20 күн бұрын

Is the ionic 800v? If so you can have more aggressive regen.

@pieflies

20 күн бұрын

@@bbokdoongI wasn’t saying it’s not justified. The thing I’m getting at is that it’s not really all that useful to compare cars that are in very different price ranges and then say the more expensive one is better. I’m totally on board that the N is better and I’m not really a fan of Teslas, but it’s a bit of a silly comparison.

@bbokdoong

20 күн бұрын

@@mefobills279 it is 800v architecture. It has 0.6 g regen brakes. You can one-pedal drive around Nurburgring.

Its INSANE that Tesla still delivers 'Performance' cars that are so underbraked. I remember how Audi got flamed when they put bad brakes in the Rs3...

@sickbozzer

20 күн бұрын

Not even just ‘underbraked’ but dangerously ‘underbraked’ especially when it’s marketed as a ‘performance’ car. Even still the RS3 coped with the track, just a noticeable amount of fade of which they learnt from, unlike Tesla. Someone’s bound to crash once the brakes go kaput

@Teslapromo103

20 күн бұрын

​@@sickbozzerthe Model 3 just isnt a track car. If you want a daily thst you can easily use as a serious track car, you need an M3. But its way more expensive than a Model 3.

@Cain353

20 күн бұрын

​@@Teslapromo103Tesla shouldn't advertise it as an M3 killer then.

@sickbozzer

20 күн бұрын

@@Cain353 Exactly. Dangerous advertising for a dangerous car. To be fair this Tesla fanboy isn't the worst I've come across and I respect that.

@sickbozzer

20 күн бұрын

@@Teslapromo103 M3 isn't a serious track car. Nor is an Audi RS3. But they come with brakes that suit the power they put down, along with the weight. Just unacceptable for the price of the car and the tag that comes along with it.

Ioniq 5 N is still better 🤷‍♂

@SlowKawa640

17 күн бұрын

Ioniq 5n is a 2.2ton boat

@TheProAndTheNoob1

17 күн бұрын

@@SlowKawa640 so? It's a SUV, what do you expect? Stile better than the Model 3 Performance 🤷🏻‍♂️

@SlowKawa640

17 күн бұрын

@@TheProAndTheNoob1 how is that an SUV? It's literally the size of a compact car

@TheProAndTheNoob1

17 күн бұрын

@@SlowKawa640 u sure about that? You better tell Hyundai then, they're calling it a SUV/Crossover 🙃

@hasangenc2922

17 күн бұрын

​@@SlowKawa640its an SUV, its pretty big in person. Still performs better than this smaller american shitbox

Tesla, the following realization occurs to me: The vehicles are built and tested in California. The developers themselves, who certainly drive these vehicles privately, drive them in this region, with the US mindset Performance means drag race (1/4 & 1/2 mile), speed means 85 mph (137 km/h) more is not allowed anyway. And no one needs a working automatic windshield wiper, it never rains in California anyway.

@sinirq

13 күн бұрын

I agree

@VoxelLoop

7 күн бұрын

Ahhh, the truth! They do a lot of work on keeping the car cool, but a lot of improvements to heating/de-icing actually came rather late. Very much a California car, but still a very nice car in many ways. You would think it'd have more performant cooling though given the climate it was designed in! I guess is 99% of owners are never going to take it to a track then the lack of track brakes makes sense, the stock brakes work fine for drag racing.

Get an ionic5 n

5N has much better temp management

Seems like a really good guy. Looking forward to the next video when he returns with upgraded brakes!

It’s clear that Tesla power is designed to just drag race from stop light to stop light a few times.

@GenuineFlolie

19 күн бұрын

Yeah, that is why Micha says the handling is really really good

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

​@@GenuineFlolieYeah so useful when the brakes are terrible and you cant complete one lap in full power. Lmfaooo

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

19 күн бұрын

as TEsla officialy stated this is the fiirst car that is made for cornering as well, but they also said it is not for a track like the plaid with package. it is for the real world where you never need the brakes. so, nothing is clear at all. people lack education and need to learn ev's. before talking like you

@umadachi

19 күн бұрын

​@@JohnSmith-pn2vlcope

@dantethomas7964

19 күн бұрын

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Cope harder in your burning shitbox

It really makes you wonder how Hyundai did it on the Ionic 5 N...

@bbokdoong

18 күн бұрын

Ioniq 5N was developed by Albert Biermann and crazy car people in the N division, and M3P was developed by Elon and his financial advisors.😁

@hasangenc2922

17 күн бұрын

​@@bbokdoongexactly. One was developed by carguys, the other from software engineers and a ketamine addict.

@ssul-uncle

12 күн бұрын

현대자동차는 현대로템이라는 기차, 지하철 같은 전동차를(방산업체이기도 합니다 k2블랙팬서라는 전차도 만들어요) 만드는 회사를 소유하고 있어요 아마도 주요 ICE 자동차 회사중에서 유일할겁니다 그게 전동화된 자동차를 만드는 기술에서 제일 앞서는 이유라고 생각해요 아마 많은 저를 비롯한 많은 한국인들도 그런 생각을 갖고있을거에요

The tension is completely different when Misha driving Ioniq 5N, so it's over the game. 😂😂

Seeing that it was set on 3/4 regen., if I'm interpreting the display correctly, it's kind of crazy that the disc brake performance went that fast. Suspension seems very compliant and yet not boaty though, which is a mixture of qualities I always appreciate.

The new Model 3 "Temporary Performance" model..

@phillyphil1513

19 күн бұрын

i see what you did there... 😅

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

19 күн бұрын

wow people have no idea they are laughing at the very best sport car ever made because they lack even the slightest clue whatsoever, goddamn are you all a bunch of loosers haha

@borinvlogs

19 күн бұрын

Model 3 Minutes Performance

@mateokovac2642

18 күн бұрын

Model 3 half Performance

@dubsessed9790

17 күн бұрын

Model 3: 'who needs to stop' edition

The fact that Ioniq5N can complete 2 laps of Nurburgring without the overheating and braking issues contrary to this Tesla makes me surprised! Good job Hyundai!

@curvetrcalinga

20 күн бұрын

Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program and Tesla doesn’t have, just backyard motorsports program.

@phillyphil1513

19 күн бұрын

@@curvetrcalinga re: "Well Hyundai has professional motorsports program" exactly like the wisemen say (translation: ME) "racing improves the breed..." in stark contrast overspending to buy Twitter does not.

@Deetroiter

19 күн бұрын

The Hyundai will be on the side of the road waiting for tow truck in 1-2 years 😂

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

​@@DeetroiterIts not american junk like the Tesla tho.

@larryc1616

19 күн бұрын

Plaid baby! ⚡️🇺🇲

I guess the Ioniq 5 N would be the performance electric car to get, right? Just costs a tiny bit more but way more power, lasts 2 full laps, and even has the simulated ICE dual clutch experience as well. I like Tesla but for having fun it seems like every reviewer absolutely loves the Ioniq 5 N and it seems to offer objectively way more than the Tesla model 3 performance.

@senadhasanbasic260

19 күн бұрын

Tesla is from A to B, for fun Ioniq 5N.

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

​@@senadhasanbasic260 If you like the fake gearbox, for sure. Otherwise Multilink/double wishbone of the Tesla remains superior to MacPherson strut imo.

@senadhasanbasic260

19 күн бұрын

@@rkan2 Ioniq does 2 ringlaps with no reduce in power. Clearly superior to the Tesla. The fake gearbox is a stupid gimmick, but Teslas are full of worthless gimmicks marketed as 'groundbreaking technology'

@tooltalk

19 күн бұрын

@@rkan2 hmm... I think Germany's TUV inspection revealed that Tesla had most # of defects with double wishbone and brake disc last two cycles (model s in 2022, model 3 in 2023).

@rkan2

18 күн бұрын

@@tooltalk Yes, it is no surprise since there is more than double the amount of bushings in the front and you do not need to have service visits to maintain your warranty. MacPherson was always cheaper to manufacture and maintain, but it cannot give the same level of control over suspension geometry. I never said you can have it all.

Still a bit of an embarrassment that it can’t even do 1/4 or 1/2 without loosing brakes or power due to limitations. Struggled to take a fiesta in the end 😂

Brakes can be upgraded, but it's impossible to reduce high battery temperatures.

@otm646

11 күн бұрын

That is not true. You can always fit a larger coolant pump, and the cooling strategy is programmable. Once you break the car down into its individual subsystems and you'll realize that you can modify almost everything.

@kfx3907

9 күн бұрын

@@otm646 And Hyundai does the best.

@otm646

7 күн бұрын

@@kfx3907 Best is relative to price. The Hyundai is 20k+ more expensive.

Misha: - Hey brakes? Brakes: - Yep? Misha: - Bye bye!

The M2 soundtrack was the best part of the vídeo 🤣

@sub7up.

19 күн бұрын

Porches in the background in the intro.. 🫵❤️

@freetobe854

19 күн бұрын

Truth.

@vanessalele3953

18 күн бұрын

True...

@ktjs2000

9 күн бұрын

lmfao

Death machine on the track.

Why is everyone saying the PERFORMANCE model needs a track pack with better brakes? Bro, this is the PERFORMANCE model, it should already have some sort of track pack with the best brakes it can 🤷‍♂️

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

But thats not profitable enough....Tesla will probably release a 'Performance Track pack', which you can buy seperate. Makes them more money

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

19 күн бұрын

absolutely not, as tesla stated this car is not for the track and in real life you never need the brakes, there are literally millions of teslas with 300k miles on the first brake pads.

@valerystoichkov7429

19 күн бұрын

​@@JohnSmith-pn2vlLove how Teslas have 'Track modes' and 'performance' models that cant perform on tracks.

@ajstevens1652

19 күн бұрын

​@@JohnSmith-pn2vl "Performance" model is not for the track? 😂

@bbokdoong

19 күн бұрын

Mat Watson in Carwow summed it up the best. Just buy Model 3 Long Range instead of M3 Performance and save 10k pounds.

Tesla @ Fuchsröhre: "Your brake subscription has ended"

How has tesla not learned its lesson yet? The brakes were the main complaint of basically every single one of the brands performance models. They really need to give these cars better brakes, or at least better brake cooling.

@tazeat

14 күн бұрын

I guess they just figure the real track guys will upgrade them and its just wasted money, weight, and space for 99% of the buyers that stick to the street... Not sure I agree with that logic, but it seems that's the way they went.

@tazeat

10 күн бұрын

Keeps the autocross guys happy with less unsprung weight in the brakes, which is one motorsport the 3s actually do quite well in.

@motormusique

10 күн бұрын

Tesla doesn't care about track performance and endurance. Just 0-60 numbers

lasted only 1 minute and 55 seconds... lol

They're good for about 5 minutes 👍

In Turkey we have Körfez Track. Teslas are coming and going very soon because of breake failure. All Teslas need to upgrade disks for track use I guess.

@anybody5500

20 күн бұрын

performans ve long range fark ediyor mu hocam

@tauzN

20 күн бұрын

Like any other stock car...

@Bqran0

20 күн бұрын

@@tauzN no? Hyundai Ioniq 5N

@Dawood4

20 күн бұрын

@@tauzN This is a PERFORMANCE car. Its unacceptable that the brakes are this bad.

@keremtunaa

20 күн бұрын

@@Dawood4 Car manufacturers don't expect that you drive your car at Nürburgring. Electric cars are too heavy for turns of Green Hell.

Tesla 3 "50% Performance". Just "Track" mode give you 5%+ Hope 😂

아이오닉N이 대단하긴한거구나.. 테슬라는 열관리가 전혀안되네.

@nc-fo5wx

20 күн бұрын

글죠.기본 배터리 성능이 개선 안되고 회생제동의 도움없이는 아무리 세라믹이나 좋은 세팅을 해도 결국은 쓸데없는 짓이 될뿐이죠.

Can’t really call it a performance car when the brakes are that bad… yikes

@Mr21December2012

20 күн бұрын

Tesla needs a „Model 3 Competition“

Positives: Nice seats...

That happens when you buy a car that only was build to beat cars on the straight ... Tesla is and never will be a Racecar for a Track, no matter how many Performance Pack they put on it

@borinvlogs

17 күн бұрын

People buy these cars to drive to work and home and quickly have an instant burst of acceleration in traffic or at light. They have 911 at home for the weekend. Well, I do and many others i know.

@bbokdoong

16 күн бұрын

​@@borinvlogsso deluded😂😂

motor and battery early give up (temperature high. limp mode. power decrease)- ioniq5N is the better than driving in track.

I drive a Tesla model 3 and a g80. This is why a Tesla can’t keep up with the g80. It’s not about the 0-100 performance. It’s about the whole package. If you are buying a Tesla, you are only looking at the boobs, if you know what I am talking about.

@MSPstance

16 күн бұрын

has nothing to do with the boobs . saving about 2000euro a year on fuel is what does it for me . ( had my 2019 m3p since new , and now got 80 000km on it so yea i have saved quite a lot over the years compared to my old combustion engine car . )

@THExKINGxKINGx

15 күн бұрын

I OWN both. Handling is just as good as my G80. Look at the title Einstein. Brakes are the only thing not ready for the Nurburgring. Use your brain bud.

@trackabracadabra

14 күн бұрын

Teslas are road cars they are not track cars 😂 you gnaw because the poorest Tesla destroys every sports car currently on the market. Eat your liver

Thanks for posting. I always wanted to see that "shortcut" and now I have.

@qrs13

20 күн бұрын

After Misha showed me that been using it for rest of the day.

In my opinion, Tesla forgot the real meaning of "Performance".

@origaminefretami3480

19 күн бұрын

They never knew what performance means in the first place.

@trstnhn

18 күн бұрын

Well Tesla's definition of Performance is the same definition used by the clueless kids that love driving fast in a straight line inbetween lights.

Tesla 🤝 Bad brakes

@larryc1616

19 күн бұрын

Brembo brakes must suck!

@hacob2004

19 күн бұрын

@@larryc1616 They would be great on a Miata. Tesla just always under brakes their performance models

@mateokovac2642

18 күн бұрын

​@@hacob2004because they always cheap out their cars

@trstnhn

18 күн бұрын

@@mateokovac2642 How else they gonna offer their cars for so cheap.

@VEMotors

16 күн бұрын

Look the Tesla Track Pack on the Tesla Model S Plaid. So they need to add this option to the new Model 3 Perf with an extra. But remember that this car cost less than 60k €.

Is this Nurburgring? Damn, love to drive on this track one day.

Yay! Temperatures visible!

Power Maximum! 5sek = 402kw 90sek = 339kw Cold Down 120sek = 330kw 180sek = 310kw 240sek = 238kw 280sek = 200kw 310sek = 168kw

@lukabosnjak3829

20 күн бұрын

Horrible, didn't expect this from a newer Model 3 especially when considering that the old one was beating Taycan Turbo S on some Japan prix if I remember correctly because of cooling advantage...

@jc74435

20 күн бұрын

Thats not correct according to the data in the video

@Mr21December2012

20 күн бұрын

Now with disabled regen

@instigator9896

19 күн бұрын

@@lukabosnjak3829 Agreed, didn't take much to overwhelm the cooling both in batteries and in braking. I guess I hoped this performance version would address these basic hurdles. It's clear the "Performance" designation is street performance = everyday driving, not for track use. Hyundai's N-line is better suited to track abuse.

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

19 күн бұрын

this is insane so many people thinking they are smart and laughing at the tesla while it is literally the best sports car ever made period ther car is not supposed to be used like this it is made for the real world and it performs insanely well there, even the old one was faster than huracan or GT3 RS 0-60, now it even handles like a marvel. it is absolutly pointless what you fgolks are pointing out, because the reason is you have no clue whatsoever. on a track you need the brakes, which this car lacks because its not made for the track like the plaid with package. in the real world you never need the brakes. with amazing brakes the heating is gone. also ICE rdrivers need to learn to not push n ev full throttle all the time, the power is just too much, even hyundai said this, cooling is everything in an ev on a track because of the insane power, litereally nothing else matters.

Even if the brakes are upgraded, the car won’t last a full lap on power

I feel like Hyundai actually got it right and Tesla just hasn't learned its lesson...

@origaminefretami3480

19 күн бұрын

Hyundai got it right the first time

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

When it comes to everything else but track perfomance, I think Tesla knows their lesson.

@TeJoeTheHoe

19 күн бұрын

Tesla made the car for the average joe, not the car enthusiast that pushes the car to its limits, so they can get away with brakes that overheat. If you want to go fast, get better brakes.

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

​@@TeJoeTheHoeproblem is that Teslaadvertisers like Jason Cammisa from Hagerty say that the Model 3 makes the Bmw M3 'irrelevant'... While the M3 Xdrive is faster in straights and faster and more capable on tracks. Biased Teslapropaganda is the problem.

@StinkySundae

19 күн бұрын

@@origaminefretami3480Hyundai has no choice to get it right the first time due to their reputation

Hyundai Ioniq 5N is much better

Thank you so much. I have the new MP3 in Australia and will be taking it to a small handling circuit next week. My previous car, stock i30N had brake fade here after 3 hard laps but was manageable by braking a bit earlier. I think Tesla should recall and upgrade these cars if they’re not built for purpose as advertised. The problem is they’re playing a numbers game here, most performance car owners (probably 99%) never track their cars. Did the owner of this car bed the brakes in at all? What level of regen was used on this lap?

다들 테슬라타면서 99% 서킷으로 가져 갈 일이 없다면서 필요없다는 자기위로 하는지 모르겠습니다. 왜 람보르기니와 페라리가 공도에서 멋저보입니까? 그들은 서킷에서도 잘 달리기떄문입니다. 그들은 일반공도에서 천천히 60KM로 다녀도 멋져보입니다 왜냐면 그들은 힘을 숨기고 있기때문입니다.

@teslanaires4952

8 күн бұрын

5만달러짜리 차를 40만달러짜리 차량 비교하고있네ㅋㅋㅋㅋ코미디 하냐?

@bbabackpark7075

7 күн бұрын

@@teslanaires4952 알지 근데 서킷에서 쓰레기인건 ㅇㅈ이지

@user-uc4ch7gc1r

7 күн бұрын

​​@@teslanaires4952자동차 구매자의 99%는 트랙에서 주행 할 일이 없지. 그렇지만 99.9%의 사람들은 트랙에서 쳐발리는 차를 타고 싶어하지는 않아. 그게 사람의 본능임. ㅅㄱ

@teslanaires4952

7 күн бұрын

@@bbabackpark7075 브레이크 배터리 overheat 되서 출력제한걸려도 왠만한차 다 따고다니는데 무슨ㅋㅋ 테슬라 살수는있냐? 트랙 가보긴했어? 방구석에서 박혀서 슈퍼카영상보니까 5만달러짜리 차보고 쓰레기라하네. 나가서 편의점알바라도 좀해라 어휴

@bbabackpark7075

7 күн бұрын

@@teslanaires4952 누가머래? 트랙은 가져오지말라고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Telemetry showing peaks of 402kW which is 540HP, so it easely gets 500HP at the wheels!

@AndrewTSq

20 күн бұрын

I guess it does not really have a drive train, so losses should be minimal

@studiomarand

20 күн бұрын

Its 500 Dog Power not Horse Power

@tomas_klouda

20 күн бұрын

I have seen 405kW there for a brief time, so the power is really good. It would just need some special race mode which will force cooling into max power even before the drive, to really cool the battery. The way Ioniq 5N does it.

@VaunShiz

20 күн бұрын

That's not how that works lmao

@jeffbeasley8235

20 күн бұрын

they're probably displaying pack power so you need to account for losses in the cables to the inverters, inverter losses, motor losses, and cooling system draw before you even get to motor electrical power, let alone mechanical motor power, and then you still have the whole mechanical side of the powertrain

SUPER INTERESTING to watch your throttle on the track. before the break issues..

If you turn off the regen completely, the brake will die earlier.

They may have acceleration but not much else goin for it

Misha out there putting Teslas on the stress bench.

I’ve owned a Model 3 for years and I drive it spiritedly. Also driven most every Tesla modal. The brakes are a weak point on all of them. Most people who drive them normally rely on the regen braking and don’t need to touch the crappy mechanical brakes. Hit the track and it’s a different story. Brake upgrades / track packs are a must on these cars for hard driving.

That battery percentage drop though :O

@RICHYSUNCLE

20 күн бұрын

No diffrent to a v8 mustangs fuel tank dropping

@chewthegum

20 күн бұрын

​​@@RICHYSUNCLE You'd run out of battery sooner than you'd run out of fuel.

@flyingphoenix113

19 күн бұрын

​@@RICHYSUNCLE it's massively different. I can be back to full in a Mustang and back out on track in less than 5 mins. There isn't a supercharger on planet earth that can get a Tesla back to full in under half and hour, and a partial charge isn't enough for most track sessions (not to mention dangerous to yourself and other drivers).

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

19 күн бұрын

@@chewthegum that is not true

@chewthegum

19 күн бұрын

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Misha used about 18% of his fuel each lap in the Mustang Dark Horse video. The Tesla here used 28%. So the Tesla would be drained after 3.5 laps, while the Mustang could do 5.5 laps.

'Track mode' 'Performance Model' and is shit on a track. Tesla is the definition of fake it till you make it

@adilongaify

19 күн бұрын

Misha Charoudin more than 1000 laps in the nurb saying literally that the handling of this new model 3 performance is Amazing but @valerystoichkov7429 saying the car is shit on track. If we judge the car objectively, this is the real analysis we must have : - Brakes are totally shit for track which is quite embarrasing for a performance car - Handling is very good - acceleration is very good - top speed ok, quite low - Battery get hot to quickly but seems to cool down quickly also. It's ok but dissapointed - seats are very good - suspension is good (or very good) For less than 60 000€ the value is very very impressive but even with that low price (compare to concurrence) Tesla should not put these terrible brakes but I understand since most owner will not take their car on track. So the solution for this problem of bad brakes is they need to offer the option to buy better brakes from factory.

@origaminefretami3480

19 күн бұрын

​@@adilongaifyMisha also said this car doesnt deserve the word 'performance' in it, and it cant go even one proper lap. Sounds pretty shitty to me.

@adilongaify

19 күн бұрын

@@origaminefretami3480 I probably miss this moment, when does he says that ? Also, don't be a stupid hater. The car have some really good (the acceleration, the seats, the suspension for the price is amazing) and some really bad (the Factory brakes mostly, and maybe the thermal gestion). If you just see the really bad then your opinion is biased.

@origaminefretami3480

19 күн бұрын

​​@@adilongaifythe seats arent better than the ones from an equally priced Type R, suspension neither. And that car also has better brakes as well. And that car gets ZERO hype, because its a Honda.

it obviously needed better pads and some active aero to duct a lot of air to the brakes, Tesla still just doesn’t understand track driving

Does it add rotation by applying brakes? Wondering why it smoked that early.

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

With ESP, every car would.

@jk9436

19 күн бұрын

@@rkan2 No doubt about that, but I am wondering if it is a permanent thing. Giving the impression of a nimble car.

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

​@@jk9436Should still be able to discern a Multilink/Double wishbone from a MacPherson strut :P The new Model 3 only changed suspension bushes and the adaptive shock absorbers AFAIK.

So the Ioniq 5 N is 10k more in Germany and is a real performance car. I don't think it's even competition because you would need to compare to a Model Y but still

@thedumbconspirator4956

16 күн бұрын

But the ioniq 5 makes big sacrifices in range and features. Good track car, but model 3 perf is gonna be the better daily

@hardywoodaway9912

15 күн бұрын

it’s more like 15k, but to be fair tesla itself says don’t use the brakes for track because the brake pads are designed for one or emergency brakes because in normal driving situations you don’t use brakes at all

@sprockkets

13 күн бұрын

I6n incoming...

@BossDog2016

13 күн бұрын

@@thedumbconspirator4956 The 5N is the sporty version. For those who just want a daily, there's the regular Ioniq 5, which has better range and more features.

Love the old style architecture, and seeing the drive out and to the ring. Would that be Bavarian style buildings? I use them in OpenTDD and Farm Sim

I love this car,is so fast and so good handling but for track needs biggest brakes 💪💪💪

Better brakes and reduced regen should solve battery and heating issue.

@qrs13

20 күн бұрын

That’s the plan for next 3 weeks😉

@Stepica

20 күн бұрын

@@qrs13 subscribed to your channel, good sir. Brno zdravi!

@KarlKristianMoeng

20 күн бұрын

@@qrs13 also if you supercharge before the track then leave the track mode on to cool the battery as much as possible.

@qrs13

20 күн бұрын

@@KarlKristianMoeng sure, doing that already, I see all temperatures in the S3XY Buttons app

중국싼 싼 배터리 쓰고 테슬라 모델브랜드 가치만 믿고 만든차는 절대로 서킷에 가져가지마세요. 서킷용으로 만든차가아니라 서킷용으로 만들기술이 없습니다. 그냥 출퇴근용으로 조용히 모델브랜드가치만 믿고 80~100KM로 달릴거라면 뭐 나쁘지않은 선택이겠지요. 하지만 서킷도 제대로 못달리는차에 고급이라니.. 왜 람보르기니가 일반도로에서 멋져보이는지 아십니까? 그들은 서킷에서도 잘 달리기떄문입니다. 전기차에서 배터리라는것은... 내연기관에서 엔진입니다 매우 중요한 부분입니다!!!! 이것을 값 싼 중국제로쓴다니. 참 아이러니하지요 이래서 브랜드가 중요합니다.

@teslanaires4952

8 күн бұрын

뭐 제대로 알지도 못하고 글을 싸질러 놓네 영상에 나오는 모델3퍼포 포함 모델3 롱레인지 미국생산차량은 파나소닉(일본)배터리쓰구요 미국외 중국 유럽 생산차량에는 LG 국산배터리 들어가요 한마디로 중국산배터리는 안씁니다. 좀 제대로 알고 글을쓰세요. 그리고 영어를 하나도 못알아들어서 영상내용을 이해 못한거같은데 영상에 드라이버는 계속해서 차 핸들링 너무 좋고 세팅도 좋고 이전모델에비해 180도 달라졌다 타이어그립도 너무좋다 얘기하고있는데 무슨 트랙용으로 만드는 기술이없다? 그냥 무지성 hater인거같네요. 드라이버가 단점으로 지적한 내용은 브레이크 overheat이 너무 빨리된다는 부분이고 그거는 차주가 3주뒤 사제 브레이크로 업글해서 온다했으니까 지켜보면 되겠죠. 테슬라가 트랙용차 만드는 기술이없다라고 말하는건 그냥 차알못 인증하는거죠 모델s 플레드 트랙패키지 끼고 왠만한 고성는 내연기관도 힘든 뉘르부르크링 7분25초 끊는차를 만드는 회사입니다 다만 stock으로 나오는 브레이크를 좀 개선을 할필요가있죠 그거 개선하면 트랙에서 왠만한 스포츠카는 다 따인다고 보면됩니다

@bbabackpark7075

7 күн бұрын

@@teslanaires4952 그걸 누가 몰라서 그럼? ㅋㅋ 중국이 전체 생산량에 50%가 넘어요 그리고 중국산에는 CATL 배터리 다 씁니다. 모르면 가만히 있으셈 ^^

@teslanaires4952

7 күн бұрын

@@bbabackpark7075 중국에서 조립만하는거지 중국에 자동차공장 없는 자동차회사가 얼마나 될거같냐? 그리고 조립품질은 중국이 미국생산보다 더 좋아 롱레랑 퍼포는 catl 배터리 안쓴다고 rwd에 들어가는 인산철만 쓴다고

@teslanaires4952

7 күн бұрын

@@bbabackpark7075 사실을 알려줘도 다무시하고 "응아님 내말이 다맞음" 이러는 애랑 무슨대화가 가능하겠냐 어휴

@bbabackpark7075

7 күн бұрын

@@teslanaires4952 그래서 너 중국인? 중국oem문제가아니라 중국생산은 죄다 중국산배터리라는거임 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

Tesla braucht ein Track Paket als Option mit großen bremsen ggf sogar carbon, extra kühlsystem, reifen und aufhängung dann wäre es auch was für den track sonst ist es nur für die Ampel...

Quick lil thing but how boring without sound/vibration/gears. I'll take a slower ICE!

the battery temperature increasing speed is crazy! what's wrong with this car?

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

Its a Tesla. Thats whats wrong

@momentum2564

19 күн бұрын

Then why do we hear so often that Tesla has one of the best BMS, battery heading and cooling systems? Is it all just marketing blah blah?

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

@@momentum2564 Of course. Problems in Teslas get systematically played down, always. Part of their business model.

@dubsessed9790

17 күн бұрын

​@momentum2564 if it's management system is so good, then why is Hyundai's leagues better? Hyundai.

@NormanGaming196

17 күн бұрын

@@momentum2564 They just aren't made for uses like this? I understand all the performance heads going wild in the comments about it because it's "performance" car, but that's all it is pure performance. It's not a track car by any means, it's the best get from A-B, and Tesla made this car purely as a "look how fast we can go" not a "how fast can we go around the track." Not sure why people aren't thinking about the fact that this is Tesla not focusing on a track car. I honestly hope they make a proper track car like the roadster that stomps everything and puts this argument to rest...

Soon I'll get my answer from the court here in Norway if I win my case against Tesla for the horrible brakes on my Plaid. Long story short; it was markedet as a car you could drive on the track, but the brakes overheat after two corners. Hopefully a win here will get them to improve brakes on all their "track cars".

@safakhan3088

19 күн бұрын

Best of luck, Tesla is almost immune to courts

@topgunm

19 күн бұрын

@@safakhan3088 thanks. Luckily we have amazing consumer rights in Norway, including a free court for consumer cases. We also have a law that states that if something is marketed as X and that's why a consumer bought the product, the buyer can make the seller buy it back at cost. Considering the "going Plaid" video includes like 30% track footage with no * stating that better brakes are needed I think I have a good case. I also got a unbiased report from amcar club of Norway stating for a fact that the brakes are way too small (based on the horsepower and weight of the car) for any kind of track driving.

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

I would imagine that's a tough fight, even in Norway.

@topgunm

19 күн бұрын

@@rkan2 it's with forbrukerklageutvalget now. They will review all the evidence that I have submitted, along with the unbiased/expert report on the brakes and come to a verdict. If I don't win, I have only lost some time. I hope and think I have a good case though. Will know in like 6 months time I think (long que).

@NoleKsuMLbgtq

19 күн бұрын

You are paid by big oil, Tesla has no brake problems

should I wait for a needed “Track Pack”? pads won’t solve this issue right?

I loved the video. All the stats of motor, inverter, battery temps, max discharge and mac regen is awesome. thank you!

@qrs13

14 күн бұрын

Kudo's to Enhance and their S3XY Buttons app/Commander box.

Ioniq 5n has better brakes but is about 350kg heavier

@hasangenc2922

17 күн бұрын

Still performs better than this pile of junk.

@bbokdoong

16 күн бұрын

Because it is a larger car. Midsize SUV vs. compact sedan. Hyundai N team has technology to make a midsize SUV dance on the track, while Tesla can't do the same with a compact sedan weighing 800 lb lighter.

@SlowKawa640

15 күн бұрын

@@bbokdoong how is that a midsize SUV??😂 its a larger hot hatch

@bbokdoong

15 күн бұрын

@SlowKawa640 Ioniq 5 is the 2023 Motor Trend SUV of the Year.

The M3P is more of a performance "line" with short overboost capability. And that's okay, especially for the price, you shouldn't expect more than that. The ioniq 5 n is an absolute exception, it is unfair to compare other vehicles with this one in terms of price and real track performance. Nobody can build and offer a car with this skills unter 90k, personally I don't think Hyundai either. It is an image carrier. Just have to look at Pikes Peak and see what the vehicle did there. The series ioniq 5 N (with standard tires) was faster than a radically converted Tesla Model S Plaid.

@freakattack9616

8 күн бұрын

The thing is that Teslas get promoted as the ultimate performance cars....its good to see how they fail

Could it be the aero pieces on the wheels keep air out of the rims and brakes which made it overheat faster?

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

This car wasn't on aero wheels though?

@caryg4638

18 күн бұрын

@@rkan2 It was. The performance model has the aero bits on the outer edge of the rims, but they are still there. I'm thinking they do something, and, at worse, they probably block air from getting in or heat leaving the inner rims when pushed to the limits like this.

Wow that color is insanely good

Tesla - 'It's really, really hard to engineer a car for the track, but we're still king of the EVs' Hyundai - 'Hold my beer'

@PistonAvatarGuy

20 күн бұрын

I love how everyone is talking about these one lap wonders like they actually matter in the racing world.

@sandroschtolpe6803

20 күн бұрын

​@@PistonAvatarGuyIts simply because its an american brand. No one would care about Tesla if it would be chinese.

@G82Watts

20 күн бұрын

Porsche is the king of gas and EV. If we're being real. The new taycan turbo gt is best all around performance car u can get for an EV

@sub7up.

20 күн бұрын

But Porsche doesnt have fake pops and bangs on the speakers and fake combustion engine sounds tho...... thats the new benchmark for an "performance ev? ... 😂😂🤷‍♂️

@plop31

20 күн бұрын

@@G82Watts lol look at this porsche sales rep... your taycan turbo GT cost MORE than 4 times the price of 1 tesla model 3 performance ! for this price you can buy 2 teslas, one daily and one track focus on which you will have the budget to put carbon big brakes, carbon wheels, lexan all around and a full carbon body kit, big wing active aero and better custom made cooling system, you will still have the money to buy a FUCKING HOUSE !

Yes, +60 °C is full power limit (UK owner asked Tesla). Nice lap for a stock car and there is apparenly what what you get - heatpump is underpowered to could batrery down. I did not know, that in +50°C the power restriction kicks already in. The only way would be modding of the heat pump and/or intercooler on battery loop. The car is very quiet over 200 km/h speeds. Stock suspension bottoms out relatively easily on top speeds (from other videos), so be careful out there if not upgraded.

@techevo

20 күн бұрын

Modding the cooling circuit only gives you marginal gains as the limits are hard coded into the software, where the charge/discharge power of the battery is measured and once a ' summed limit' is exceeded, power is de-rated.

@xaviart4727

20 күн бұрын

Also heatpumps are crap, already 4th going on mine... when overheated even worse. 🤐

@694tommie

20 күн бұрын

Guess with upgraded brakes you don’t need regen, hopefully limiting battery temp.

@morris2450

20 күн бұрын

You'd bottom out too with all that weight under yer ass

@user-cf9ir4gw2c

20 күн бұрын

@@694tommie There is a video about that, already. Gutted M3P 2024, upgraded Brembo brakes (no regen), suspension and tires. Could not finish Nürburgring w/o overheating to +60 °C "max limp mode"/power reduction. And there was yellow flags/congestion in begin of the lap.

The fact that the brakes sucked on the new tesla models came up early on and what's worse that they didn't seem to upgrade them for the new model, and that it is being left to customers to fix is not good compared to the price

What was the setup for the handling balance ?

Tesla: "Sorry to brake it to you..."

@christophejergales7852

20 күн бұрын

Finally, someone knows how to spell.

@JohnSmith-pn2vl

19 күн бұрын

wrong Teslas said officially this is not for the race track.

Brakes that size should be illegal on a car that weighs so heavy..

How does the handling compare to the stock Model S Plaid?

I believe Brembo supplies both the calipers and the pads, so I'm not sure why Brembo wouldn't spec a better pad compound. Unless Tesla asked them to prioritize characteristics like brake noise and dust. Of course its possible there is also a big difference in cost, and Tesla wanted to hit a certain price point for this car.

that acelaration wow.. but the weight.. dear lord those breaks

@cw205mi16

20 күн бұрын

Had no acceleration at the end though - what a stupid vehicle , none of them can do a single lap without wilting

@b00573d

20 күн бұрын

its about 200lb/90kg heavier than a BMW M3

@KuraiKatsum

20 күн бұрын

​​@@cw205mi16 2 things to consider here; Electric motors set for acceleration over top speed will ofc lack in top speed as they reach max RPM and lose torque at the very top end. + The car got power limited towards the end of the lap due to temperature and/or lack of remaining battery power. The car is electronically limited to seemingly 240kph, and from how fast it was still accelerating beyond 200kph, it very well could pass 240kph w.o. limiter The car itself isn't stupid, it's just limited in some factors that could improve it. Some tuning, maybe better cooling e.t.c. could improve it significantly.

@jimhimesjr

20 күн бұрын

Rented a model y performance and if using regen the brakes are fine, if no regen the brakes are probably the worst brakes I’ve felt on a “performance” car. Completely inadequate

@Submariner92

20 күн бұрын

Acceleration is not at all surprising

LOOK at the scrub @ 2:37 on those super low pro tires!!!! Misha was working that car HARD. Awesome car, awesome driver.

@RICHYSUNCLE

20 күн бұрын

Imagine taking corners in a loaded fridge with tire at 200

@dielaughing73

19 күн бұрын

Alignment would help a lot with that. Not sure how adjustable it is without modification though

@mgcharoudin

19 күн бұрын

​@@RICHYSUNCLE😂😂😂

@artansadiki3244

19 күн бұрын

​@@RICHYSUNCLE😂

@dacmm

18 күн бұрын

​@@RICHYSUNCLE..except this car is lighter than an M3

Hi Misha! Thank you for making these awesome videos! One thing that stands out to me is the glare in some of your videos. We all know about a polarized glasses for this exact problem. I believe a polarized camera case, lense or film would make your videos much clearer, more enjoyable, and professional. Keep up the great work! 🇨🇿🇺🇸

What app was being used to monitor temps and power output?

@paulverket

17 күн бұрын

I think it's the dashboard app from Enhance - S3XY Buttons

It is a M3 killer alright. 😂

@hasangenc2922

17 күн бұрын

It kills itself first tho 😂

Even though teslas regen method is excellent for daily driving, its not actually ideal. As nice as the one pedal driving is, its actually better to coast on the highways than to regen. Regen is more useful and efficient in low speed driving. Furthermore Teslas dont actually regen to a high degree. Something like the Ioniq 5 N regens significantly more with the N pedal or whatever. That helps a ton on track because it uses the brakes a lot less

@MrPhatties

16 күн бұрын

The N driver that hits the Nürburgring said the car does better when you disable regen and use the brakes.

@ayushmalpeddi2793

16 күн бұрын

@@MrPhatties I'm sure it does. But like when you aren't going for the fastest time the high Regen is nice because it conserved brakes and also kicked the back end out to square off. It's not perfect but it's a good thing to have the option of

Regen cooks up the battery for sure

Just made a test drive today! It’s an huge upgrade from predecessor! Honestly yes brakes still shit, but only if you drive like a race driver, full throttle brake just inside the corner and full throttle again. I made a nice funny drive in country roads with some corners just by using 90% regenerative braking. Its not like an M3/M2 but its fine! You can have a nice daily with some pepper! My verdict, if only brakes would be better it would be very very hard to compete with it price/performance. But if you have an extra 6k to put some great brakes problem solved!

I know everyone has to promote Teslas because reasons, but a Performance car with Camry breaks is hilarious.

@chewthegum

20 күн бұрын

no one has to promote Tesla. They don't really give out sponsorships or anything.

@Aztasu

20 күн бұрын

@@chewthegum they do, look at Hagerty or Munro and various smaller Tesla youtubers and spam channels

@chewthegum

20 күн бұрын

@@Aztasu Hagerty and Munro just have positive opinions of the brand. They don't receive any money from Tesla.

@phillyphil1513

19 күн бұрын

re: "I know everyone has to promote Teslas because reasons..."

@phillyphil1513

19 күн бұрын

re: "a Performance car with Camry breaks is hilarious..." close COROLLA brakes (the full size Camry's are half decent, since Toyota are like the 6x or 7x defending WEC "Worl' Champeens").

It has brakes? Since when? What other same weight car has so awful brakes? When will Tesla stop cheaping out on safety...

Would love to see how the battery temps increase when running on the Autobahn with higher speeds over a longer period of time. Will they overheat too? Or is this just a track specific thing?

@qrs13

20 күн бұрын

As you wish, it can keep 263kmh just for a very few mins, depending on starting battery temp, then hits 60deg C power limit. kzread.info/dash/bejne/aW15q82lhN2cls4.html

I really like Misha's review and opinion of the cars, especially this Tesla. He accepts electric cars also and doesn't have prejudice. He Just push to the limits and test the car at full throttle 🤣 If a car survives Misha's test than you can be sure that the car is good, very good 😊

@qrs13

8 күн бұрын

That's exactly the reason I brought the car to Misha. Tesla did great job on suspension and handling, for the next iteration in their development cycle they just need to improve brakes and battery heat management/power limits. Perhaps new pack from CATL?!? That would be great! 😀

Only half of the power after a SINGLE lap!

@meamzcs

16 күн бұрын

Lol what do you mean "after a single lap", the lap is fucking 21km...

@bbabackpark7075

16 күн бұрын

no!! 50%

@charliemorales3191

16 күн бұрын

Ioniq 5N did two full laps, never cut the power and never had a brake issue ​@meamzcs

Damn that battery discharging worse than a w16 bugatti churning fuel 😂😂😂😂😂

@rkan2

19 күн бұрын

But you get the car for the price of the factory Bugatti tires. 😂

@riadbenkabba8441

19 күн бұрын

@@rkan2 you get that tesla with peugeot 206 brakes 😂

@mateokovac2642

18 күн бұрын

​@@riadbenkabba8441And the battery of a Kyosho RC car from 1991

@riadbenkabba8441

18 күн бұрын

@@mateokovac2642 😂😂😂😂😂😂

i can not find a break kit for tesla M3P Highland. which one will he use ?

@mamu679

20 күн бұрын

You'll find out in 3 weeks

I wonder which OEM Tesla uses for the brake setup? Or do they make them inhouse?

@BradFreebird

18 күн бұрын

Cathedral City

@matty8920

18 күн бұрын

Brembo and Mando?

@qrs13

18 күн бұрын

Brembo 355mm