"If this is not winning then it's losing"

@Eldor503

4 жыл бұрын

- You understand Leela, you're about to give up another pawn, it will be losing - Only if I don't win! - Yes, that's what... losing mean...?

@ChessMC

4 жыл бұрын

Spassky vs Fischer - Chess Game 20, 1992 Match -===-- kzread.info/dash/bejne/lGlm1bOdicvdlbg.html

@nicolashrv

4 жыл бұрын

It can be a drawn position also....so yeah, not a comic relief

@ich7me618

4 жыл бұрын

Wow those past pawns at in the end equal material again

@nesagljivic

4 жыл бұрын

Grumf quote from 'Alan Ford' comic book.

0:00 Hello everyone 1:21 Completely new game 7:56 Dance of the engines 9:38 10:26 10:41 12:50 Nasty discoveries 10:05 20:04 Captures captures 25:49 It was in this position

@arnaud14

4 жыл бұрын

That nickname tho xD

@danielmakhlouf8931

4 жыл бұрын

26:13 I want to congratulate everyone for lasting 200 moves

@avo_k

4 жыл бұрын

you sir are a man of culture

@arbitrage2141

4 жыл бұрын

I see kripps community is leaking again xD

@rjray5132

4 жыл бұрын

Btw Queen Capture 20:09 (But actually Rook)

This black king has steel balls penetrating alone the opponent territory with only one move to return home . Then he did it again . True warrior

@faridessalhi7538

4 жыл бұрын

Emperor AlHasan That shows how engines are unbelievable . Coming in front a queen and a rook with no space just blows my mind . Just wow

@gg-qz2tb

4 жыл бұрын

Yah this is scary

@hexertion

4 жыл бұрын

In my club we used to refer to such a manoeuvre as "the Rambo variation"

@faridessalhi7538

4 жыл бұрын

nothingisviridian Good name since Rambo was almost suicidal like those black king moves in endgame 😂😂😂

@dkn.205

4 жыл бұрын

Leonidas

23:48 Agad repeated so many moves that he started to repeat his own

@fahimp3

4 жыл бұрын

lmao! 😂🤣

Michael Jackson: I am the best dancer in the world Agadmator: Hold my stockfish and Leela

@Manish-qg4zw

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao😂😂

@ChessMC

4 жыл бұрын

Spassky vs Fischer - Chess Game 20, 1992 Match --- kzread.info/dash/bejne/lGlm1bOdicvdlbg.html

@leoplusvirgo2890

4 жыл бұрын

is alpha zero participate in this contest?

@brabhamfreaman166

4 жыл бұрын

mujhyaman thakuria You don't really quite understand that meme do you? Why would Agad hold the engines? They’re the 2 actually doing the dancing, it doesn’t make sense. Perhaps some thought is needed…

@bginer-chess2154

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChessMC make your videos more interesting

That felt like watching all of Lord of the Rings movies in one go.

@philippfrogel9355

4 жыл бұрын

with the black king entering deep into the enemies territory to achieve victory. where have i seen that before?

@CalmaxFilm

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU we are finally agreed. LOTR is boring

@end.olives

Ай бұрын

​@@CalmaxFilm well i think your lego videos are boring but that doesnt mean millions of other people dont like it, same thing with lord of the rings.

Is leela the opposite of anish giri?

@AugustSchroif

4 жыл бұрын

They need to make Anish-Zero that would only go for draws even in winning positions.

@Dan1elAndrade

4 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@Luke-nn4pm

4 жыл бұрын

Schroif yes, and also draw losing positions. Otherwise it just sucks lol

@deridivisstar884

4 жыл бұрын

Haha

@thewarlordscalling6537

4 жыл бұрын

Don't get over excited.she myt win this SUFI!

"Engines don't have a sense of humor" *resigns half a move before guaranteed checkmate*

This was the chess equivalent of watch grass grow.

@andrewkoines6389

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, very boring this one.

@brendandennis5868

4 жыл бұрын

Talk about disgusting engine lines, that took the cake

They say AIs have no personalities, yet leela acts like a stubborn warrior that prefers to die than draw

@russianbotfarm3036

4 жыл бұрын

Well I understand that it used to be the other way - she'd draw all the time, so they tweaked her so that she wouldn't. Maybe they'll weaken the tweak a bit, now.

@Matt-yp7io

4 жыл бұрын

Yeh so that's not how she is programmed , don't speak if you don't know

@moky2812

4 жыл бұрын

A true Japanese warrior

Stockfish reminds Agadmator with his own games This is a huge improvement for Stockfish Such a legend

@footballfanboy4274

4 жыл бұрын

No, leela does with her looses in drawn games

@adnanhajjar1856

4 жыл бұрын

@@footballfanboy4274 Yah u r absolutely correct

@theazrael4423

4 жыл бұрын

@@footballfanboy4274 or maybe it thinks it's playing a human hence the continuation.. hoping for a screw up with imprecise play.

wow, *Engines doesnt have any sense of humor* i just cried and laughed at the same time

@filipadakovic

4 жыл бұрын

you are an excellent subscriber, you watched till the very end :D

@ihateorphans

4 жыл бұрын

Don't cry. They can't be mad at us. They can't destroy us.

@Taboo08

4 жыл бұрын

@@ihateorphans buddy u didnt understand me at all

@fyfrrez

4 жыл бұрын

Which proves that you are not an engine.

@ihateorphans

4 жыл бұрын

@@Taboo08 I did understand what do u mean, but I went too far

18:07 if agadmator commented my games

@Dante20321

4 жыл бұрын

Eldor503 😂

Leela's my hero She may end up losing, but she'll never give up

@mrqzo6521

4 жыл бұрын

Neither is stockfish. And he's also able to win 😉

@GustavoGplay

4 жыл бұрын

@@mrqzo6521 seems like they're both able to win, since the series is tied Anyways, my comment was just supposed to be a funny one, not the start of a fight over everyone's favorite engine 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@MISCplaceholder

4 жыл бұрын

@@GustavoGplay no f u my engine better

@Nyx__

4 жыл бұрын

She won't give up, unless it's to prevent a mate in 1.

@adiadiadi333

4 жыл бұрын

But shes just absolutely trained to win. It appears as though even a draw is considered as something worse than losing by leela.

I wonder when the engines are moving around "dancing", stockfish (as black) maybe is using the 3 fold repetition rule to force Leela to weaken her position ever so slightly or having to accept a draw

@omdon3437

4 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@benoplustee

4 жыл бұрын

@@brettjones327 i dont think OP was talking about psychology, I think they were suggesting that SF is tactically employing the 3 fold repetition rule to exaust leela's options. e.g. forcing leela to play out her optimal moves and then have to shift to slightly sub optimal moves to avoid 3FR, leading to Leela's multiple and sometimes dubious pawn sacrifices at the end of the middle game "dance".

@pedrolucianoandradereymar5078

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, its not the first game that Leela looses this way. Rather than forcing, I think there’s just one variable not adjusted properly for the draw evaluation (considers a bad move better than a draw) on Leela’s program.

@MulliganGambler

4 жыл бұрын

@@benoplustee Yeah I wasn't talking anything about the psychology of the game, purely that Stockfish was able to calculate that making those dancing moves would be advantageous for it

@alishapouran3387

4 жыл бұрын

Kinda psychological battle, and between two machines! It's so exciting, a little scary though!

"Pinning it from behind"

@amun1040

4 жыл бұрын

This is the underrated comment of the year.

@michaelhart7569

4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad I'm not the only non-excellent subscriber.

I think the human limit was what one writer called a “hundred ninety move monster”. Is Leila’s behavior such that she’ll always lapse to a slightly inferior move, going for a full point when the position is balanced? (In any case I did notice that, for all her pride going before a fall, Leila *did* manage to even out at least the *number* of Pawns again. We non-pros sometimes forget that even a throwaway extra Queen costs a Pawn!)

@AgamemnonSK

4 жыл бұрын

both of these engines have this behaviour - leela is trained by blunders (very simplyfied), thus it expects that the opponent can make a mistake and will play for it... stockfish has a setting called contempt, which means it tries to complicate positions if it sees it can lead to anything... but that is not what happened in this game - if you check the archive in tcec and their evals - both engines were evaluating this as a draw until move 134. Rh2 (which is just a blunder by lc0) when stockfish's eval jumps from 0 to 1.53 and then to over 2 in the next move and to something like 6 in 5 moves and never comes back

@letsmakeit110

4 жыл бұрын

Its worth mentioning that the time control for this event features only a 5 second increment. Perhaps leela blundered in time pressure? All the neural networks have very inflexible evals. Leela thought it was winning on move 70, so she played like it was winning on move 140. Probably an artifact from training, where she would then go back and change her heuristics to evaluate the position correctly on move 70.

@Chris.M

4 жыл бұрын

It was clear loss and all calculated. Leela didn't manage anything.

@gregorymorse8423

4 жыл бұрын

No its goal is to win and then draw so its calculations saw guaranteed wins of extremely slight possiblility long those pawn push lines which were wrong. Its neural network is still not adequately trained or lacking depth. The dance showed that it waited maximal time for mistakes on winning lines which stock fish would never fall for. Probably the 50 move without pawn push rule is too deep for training and analysis. The 50 move rule perfectly explains the exact time you would expect a neural net to fail

The dance of engines is a very good phrase you should use it more often and make it yours👍👍👍 You have come so far agad from where you started. Cheers to you and all the best for future too👍👍👍👍

Thought I caught the smiley-face pillow yawning once during this one.

Walking the King all the way down just to advance a pawn one square. Then all the way back and then all the fwd again to escort said pawn. I have a headache.

@Marek-gn9jn

4 жыл бұрын

While the other king just chilling in the corner :D

What milestone do we have to reach to hear you play that guitar in the background?

I really love it when Leela never give up checking the king while trying to hold the black pawn to promote, that's the spirit

When do we return to the human-on-human action of the Morphy Saga? Although I dont believe Morphy is a human

@michaelvanzyl9418

4 жыл бұрын

Morphy can go away for a while

8 minutes in and the dance of the engines already started.... whoo boy here we go

I love those engines' games. Havent watched this video yet but clicked instantly to come here. Go Fish!

Please please bring more of TCEC, more of Leela, more of engines and neural nets. They are sooo goood!!!!!!

Thank you for entertaning us in these dark times antonio, and if you please can show a classic it will be really appreciated.

Leela: i wanna experience the feeling of love! Like humans! Designer: love always accompany with lost, you should first experience intentional lost in order to understand love. Leela: program me to loose please Designer: but leela, this is .... Leela: do it, right now

@Marek-gn9jn

4 жыл бұрын

Has Leela just passed Turing test?

Combinations have always been the most intriguing aspect of Chess. The masters look for them, the public applauds them, the critics praise them. It is because combinations are possible that Chess is more than a lifeless mathematical exercise. They are the poetry of the game; they are to Chess what melody is to music. They represent the triumph of mind over matter.

@user-fartsmella69

4 жыл бұрын

I got scholar mated today

@sebastianaguirre6003

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-fartsmella69 are u stockfishes grandfather?

@user-fartsmella69

4 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianaguirre6003 yeah, my son worked on it

@andrewptob

4 жыл бұрын

Stop plagiarizing people and not quoting them

@barfyman3624

4 жыл бұрын

Hey @@user-fartsmella69 you're a real jerk, you know that?

we really appreciate this amazing patience Agadmator had to make such a video! you are the best! #agadmator

Hi agad! Continue this chess channel. Personally, your chess analysis helped me improve my games against my friends at school. Thank you and all the love from the phillipines!❤

Keep this good work going man..love your videos

15:52 Rook moves diagonally 😂

2:37 - Always good to capture an invisible enemy first.

Agadmator: "So, you want more computer chess games? Be careful what you wish for.." *maliciously rubs his hands

I think that best tactic for Stockfish would be to build a fortress even with white and wait, because Leela will always try to win it

Given that Leela has the rule that draws are not allowed Stockfish put her in zuzgwang by move 40. Perhaps the longest zuzgwang ever produced.

Me: *forwards the video by 5mins* The game:

@moky2812

4 жыл бұрын

most underrated comment

Flipping the board & launching pieces everywhere is the most flattering and satisfying form of resignation.

The pawn pushing part at the end was very interesting

Engines doesn't have sense of humor. That made my day. And I watched on my TV and came here just to comment, and MY GOD 28 minutes but it didn't feel like that.

This game is better than most of sitcoms..it had me rolling from ear to ear... "..and their dance continues..",😆😆😆😅😅😅🤣🤣🤣🤣

It is you Agad who deserves to be congratulated, thank you so much for the great effort you put in this game

Liked just for the quote of steinz... Thats more than enough... Missin morphy engine saga though...

I hope one day I will have stockfish's confidence

"both of them eager to win the game" ...interesting statement as they "dance". gotta love engine chess.

"All of that dancing and not even reaching move 200, that's a little bit of shame." I laughed 5 minutes nonstop :D

Those engines danced for half an hour!!!

Wow, chess is just like life..when u are giving your 100℅ to win or to get something you can also lose by doing some mistakes

Did you edit out the last mouse-click in the end? Video felt incomplete.

Wow. The thought of 196 games in a row consisting of 196 moves each. That game was actually fun to watch

Was watching this live, got bored. Glad you decided to cover it, looked like it would eventually get interesting

I think I understand why engines are so much stronger than humans now. They are immune to being hypnotized, while humans are not.

Do you know why even in english the move "take en passant" is said in french? I'm french and I don't understand why, I was surprised the first time I heard an english chess game analysis, and it's still a mystery to me

@alexpessoa7699

4 жыл бұрын

I'm from Brazil and we say "en passant" over here too

@Riddlerdelex

4 жыл бұрын

Just as there are some German words in chess ("Zugzwang"), I think that early chess masters just took these words spoken by those who invented the terms and never bothered to translate them. In those times, it might would have even been insulting to translate it and take away the given term?

@furkankarakaya26

4 жыл бұрын

En passant is universal, it's even used in turkey lol

@LordDarknessMC

4 жыл бұрын

But the move was invented (as i found) by Ruy Lopez, and he was spanish, so what the hell xD?

@LordDarknessMC

4 жыл бұрын

@@Riddlerdelex those german words are so nice to use, why translate? lmao

That's a very nice quote by Steinitz

Threatening nasty discoveries is now my new favorite phrase.

I just saw ur last video, and here we go again :v

Fan From India Agad.. Keep The Cool Work Up!

pls upload more of Leela v Stockfish

Engines: I do know why I repeated that. Agad: I don’t known why I repeated that.

Amazing stuff

leela values activity and king safety with little regard for pawns, stockfish values material, with little regard for king safety.

The live evaluations that Leela and Stockfish gave throughout the game are fascinating. www.tcec-chess.com/archive.html?season=17&div=sf&game=16 Stockfish gave an evaluation of 0.00 already on move 37, and all the way through to move 134. Just a couple of moves before that, Leela had finally also decided that it was a draw. Still, she didn't go for a move that would have led to a drawn endgame. But at that point, all of a sudden they both saw something, and the evaluation started to be in black's favor.

@agadmator's Chess Chanel can you cover one of Indonesia's Grandmaster Utut Adianto's games? Thanks.

those discoveries are always so nasty

50 move draw rule is too deep for the neural network to be easily trained on. It can dance and wait for mistakes for best lines. But when one 50 move delay only lead to another 50 move delay and so on, we find where it's very hard to properly train a neural net due to rarity of positions for that situation. 3 move repetition is much easier to avoid while still having proper look ahead. Think about it. The weak spot of Alphazero also likely lies exactly here...

I notice agadmator didn't upload the pgn. Woulda broken the internet if he had.

Can someone explain the d6 capture at 6:37 how can the pawn capture behind where the piece is or is that just a visual mistake

Legend has it they are still dancing…

I had fallen asleep for a while, but managed to wake up after those pawn pushes had been made and SF had a winning position

no PGNs on engine games?

Agadmator: All of that dancing and not even reaching 200, such a shame Me: lololololololol

Agadmator, pls show us some Narayanan.S.L vs. Alireza Firouzja. Nara was killing it this series, he was playing way better than his rating.

Please cover some Alpha zero games with leela chess zero.

There wer so many moves agad did not even put the moves in description

@brendannadnerb5903

4 жыл бұрын

Aashish Avinash can you honestly blame him

13:29 "The dance continues, as the title would suggest" Haha 😂

From the results so far in the TCEC Superfinal Season 17 between Stockfish and Leela (8 to 8), it would seem that they are roughly equal strength.

Always fight for the win!

After couple dance move, i just want to see how agad maintained his sanity to made this video...

WOW This game is definition of "improving position" little by little to a losing endgame.. At the end, Leela was cought on she's own trap..

The dance is merely seeing all best winning lines by letting the opponent make a mistake. The decisive move will not come until all those possibilities are exhausted and best winning chance is to try a more narrow win route. A human would be wise to do the same dance if playing to win with maximal statistical odds

16:59 "If this is not winning then it's losing." Agadmator 2020

Amazing game!

I would love to see the tactics behind the dance of the engines. They seem like mindless rook and queen moves, but I bet they are actually deeper than anyone can imagine.

What an unbelievable game and your analysis is amazing. I'd like twice if I could 👍👍

The thing I find most interesting on these engine games is how is each one programmed as far as offering draws and accepting draw offers? IMO, they should always play to the death....or to where repeating moves is needed to avoid a loss....or insufficient material which is already proven.... In this game, it seems obvious Stockfish had a "draw on repeat" is okay parameter, where Leela has a protocol for avoiding draws more robustly.....to her detriment.

@sky4eternity

4 жыл бұрын

They are not programmed to "offer and accept" draws. They are programmed to play what they think is the best move and sometimes the best move is playing the last move for the 3rd time and drawing instead of playing another one that would loose. Also Leela was avoiding the draw by the "fifty-move rule" in chess (50 moves without captures or pawn moves)

@pullt

4 жыл бұрын

@@sky4eternity "playing the last move for 3rd time" is not how threefold works....

“I really wanted to congratulate everyone for lasting over two hundred moves but in the end it’s only one hundred and ninety six” agadmator 11/04/2020

till the end, and am still here

I feel like they have been dancing all day

At 2:25 isn't there a free bishop too if you take the pawn ? as if you go back to Qg5 you can't take back the bishop back or black rook threaten check on e1 and you have to sacrifice your queen and if you take the pawn with the queen on d6 there's the backrank mate threat and again you can't take back again.

We want to see you play that guitar, Antonio 🎸

I'm curious what happens if engines aren't given openings do they just make them up, is there certain ones they repeatedly stick to, or is it like they just can't play

@deridivisstar884

4 жыл бұрын

Engines are programmed with moves. Neural nets learn and get better the more games they play. In a sense they can actually learn, or be more creative. Stockfish is an engine, and Leela is a neural net. Hence why leela takes more risks, and plays more human like.

AGADMATOR!!!

It was 190+ moves because, SF did most of the attacking with the king, I think that was quite funny.

@agadmator please show us more of your art burned into wood

I can't believe I watched it all 😄

Hello everyone, and welcome back! 😁

Duga kosa, karantin uzeo maha pa nema šišanja hahaha

Stockfish Joestar : Next thing you're going to do is giving up a pawn. And then Leela gives up a pawn.

11:57 what is wrong with Rd5 capturing a pawn? If black recaptures the rook you can capture the rook on e8 and exchange queens being up a pawn.