"Making money off people's misery is an industry." -Mike Stoklasa, founder of RedLetterMedia, employer of Rich Evans

@harryfromwork

Жыл бұрын

lol

@BashoftheMonth

Жыл бұрын

Cut him some slack, it's keeping Rich off the streets.

@WizardMouth

Жыл бұрын

this comment actually made me laugh out loud

@zainmudassir2964

Жыл бұрын

@@BashoftheMonth Rich off the streets and in the sheets

@maximumkorb

Жыл бұрын

"How does it feel to see all your favorite franchises just go down in flames?"

I'm married to a soccer mom, and she is a true crime addict. it's inexplicable. But then again, I watch 1.5 hour videos of 4 drunkards in Milwaukee talking about the worst movies on earth, so maybe I'm in no place to judge.

@afz902k

Жыл бұрын

Maybe there's a youtube channel where 4 drunken wine moms talk about the best and worst true crime things on earth, where their soccer mom audience post comments wondering why their soccer dad husbands are so inexplicably addicted to watching 1.5 hour videos of 4 drunkards in Milwaukee talking about the worst movies on earth.

@bvoyelr

Жыл бұрын

It's popular enough that even South Park picked up on it. I don't know if they coined the term, but they called it "murder porn." It fits like a glove, too - women are irrationally addicted to it like men who watch too much porn, and it adds just as much value to the world as porn does.

@indoor_gangster

Жыл бұрын

@@afz902k there is??!!

@bradleylintmore3492

Жыл бұрын

double standards 😅

@gusngregg5127

Жыл бұрын

And you should be careful, very careful

you're a middle-aged woman who watched Dahmer--Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story because you are obsessed with true crime. i'm a middle-aged woman who watched Dahmer--Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story because I needed full context before I could watch the re:View episode about it. we are not the same.

@amitmeena2961

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Good comment but you didn't say anything about being a soccer mom or not. Anyways, I watched the full re:view without watching the show because Evan Peter's is going to give me nightmares. They happened to talk more about the real world stuff with dahmer Instead of details of the happenings in each episodes so there was no problem enjoying it.

@thisinhumanplace2037

Жыл бұрын

Whoo

@blankeon6613

Жыл бұрын

Based

@marcelosdbzmusic8072

Жыл бұрын

@@amitmeena2961 "Haha! Good comment, so are you single?"

@amitmeena2961

Жыл бұрын

@@marcelosdbzmusic8072 "Haha! Everybody look at me, I'm the edgy boy on the block"

Mike needs to be portray John Wayne Gacy in the inevitable 10-hour Netflix Drama next year

@JeanMarceaux

Жыл бұрын

Will he be walking around with a gun pointed at his temple for the entirety of 10 hours? Also, will there be a narrator with an extremely nasal voice who'd try to gaslight the audience?

@rickardkaufman3988

Жыл бұрын

Well, the show got renewed for two more seasons so you might seen a Wayne Gacy Drama from Netflix in the next few years.

@Pauly421

5 ай бұрын

No no, he's got a point. Mike would make the perfect Gacy!

@chrishenderson666

5 ай бұрын

I wished he would ve played Ed Kemper and just stood over people quizzing them about The Star Treks and rewarding them with Cheetos.

@FlymanMS

4 ай бұрын

Oh mai gaaaaaaaaadddd! that’s exactly what I thought. If Jay is play Dahlmer in a better adaptation, who Rich is playing?

3:17 "You and I weren't living in Milwaukee at the time". Nice to know Mike and Jay have alibis for the murders.

@naughtyfred1

Жыл бұрын

I know, right? So convenient...

@ArchibaldClumpy

Жыл бұрын

I love the idea that not having been in town could be a stronger alibi than having been prepubescent when the last murders were committed, and also not being Dahmer.

@DastardlyDavid69

Жыл бұрын

@@ArchibaldClumpy Didn’t you watch the show? ANYONE can be Jeffrey Dahmer.

@carlblix7794

Жыл бұрын

@@ArchibaldClumpy I'm not saying I think Mike commited a series of gruesome murders as a child, I'm just saying, should new information arise about him being in Milwaukee at the time, maybe re-open the case.

@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701

Жыл бұрын

Rich doesn't.

Mike's hot take: "Dahmer... he's not a good person." Controversial stuff but I rely on these guys to push the boundaries

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

The worst thing about him was the hypocrisy.

@zzzzzzz88

Жыл бұрын

@@Owl90 I miss Norm.

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

@@zzzzzzz88 That's not his name.

@carlsaveus1735

Жыл бұрын

I disagree .. @29:05 Mike gives the hot take: "Dahmer was a piece of s**t kinda boring guy who was like a failure on everything".. and a little later with an addendum: "a complete failure of a person with proclivity towards a weird sexual problem".

@cesarhernandez6861

Жыл бұрын

He's a real jerk!

I loved the finger-wagging ending where they said that a memorial still hasn't been built to honor the victims that was followed by the creators of this series walking away with a big bag of cash.

@idk-ol8ev

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t a memorial for the victims just be a place for weirdos to go and vandalize it in Dahmers name?

@Michael-bn1oi

Жыл бұрын

@@idk-ol8ev that would be my guess

@johnv6806

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why we should "honor" a bunch of morons who got themselves killed by Dahmer. I mean one of the people he killed Dahmer went to jail for trying to kill his brother, and the brother was STILL stupid enough to trust Dahmer.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

@@idk-ol8ev That's what the city of Milwaukee said when pressured about it, and they're probably correct.

@cdreyes81

Жыл бұрын

@@idk-ol8ev yes, they mentioned it in the beginning

“Dahmer was just a kind of piece of shit boring guy who was failure at everything…” Mike always tells it as it is.

My sister was murdered and the ID channel made an exploitative, scummy show about. Because she was an artist, they wanted a narrative about a free-spirited hippy girl stabbed to death by a religious fanatic, but really it was my sister who was more the strict, Bible-believing Christian. I let them interview me, and mentioned her faith in every answer I gave so they couldn’t edit it out. So in the finished product they only used one very brief clip from my interview.

@Orgotheonemancult

Жыл бұрын

Sorry for your loss. It's terrible when anything like that occurs. As far as cruddy true crime stuff goes, I think it's on its way out, or at least will be held to higher standards in the near-ish future. Congratulations for at least trying to set the record straight.

@shawklan27

Жыл бұрын

Fuck sorry for your loss

@drkissinger1

Жыл бұрын

That really made me angry to read. I’m sorry that happened to your sister and to her memory.

@Pattamatt1998

Жыл бұрын

That's really unfortunate, it's so gross how these people profit off of tragedy by twisting and over-dramaticizing the details.

@smrodan

Жыл бұрын

the inherent exploitation of the tragedy-even in the most tasteful, hypothetical attempt to tell the story to a wider, entitled audience-notwithstanding... I will NEVER understand why people who work on this media insist on leading the narrative down familiar narrative paths. There's never a good reason for it.

"True crime is like the Fight Club for soccer moms" is a legendary tier quote

@Micah_S_0x4D

Жыл бұрын

Extremely quotable.

@capslockcapable1719

Жыл бұрын

I don't understand how anyone can find these true crime murder shows interesting. War documentaries about industrial-scale murder, now that's interesting.

@donjuanmckenzie4897

Жыл бұрын

Yeah except Fight Club is about guys urge to fight and true crime is about how murder gets women horny

@kimmmwest4641

Жыл бұрын

@@capslockcapable1719 some people are interested in a more intimate killer

@AlL-tk6kw

Жыл бұрын

@@kimmmwest4641 I know your not, but for a second I thought you were implying people who like war documentaries were, like, murder sluts.

"Jeff, who lives at home" was personally my favorite version of the Dahmer story.

@harbingerofsalt

8 ай бұрын

"Jeff, he who stars in terrible movies"

I feel like Mike and Jay are now on some kind of list for looking up dozens of news reports about kidnapped women

@aza3ful1

Жыл бұрын

No, they did it from Rich’s desktop computer (where he reacts to videos)

@Badbufon

Жыл бұрын

@@aza3ful1 which is just upstairs of the sexual dungeon where Rich has all those kidnapped women Dick the birthday boy indeed

@christopherkinsella3912

Жыл бұрын

@@aza3ful1 No, he already had them all archived.

@JeanMarceaux

Жыл бұрын

They were on the list way back when they ordered 50 balloons of acetone.

@kevinc8955

Жыл бұрын

It was gross. Playing music that’s just short of Benny hill lampooning what’s likely a bunch of dead white women while at the same time claiming this movie was disrespectful to victims was a bit glaring. These two guys are idiots.

"True crime is the Fight Club for soccer moms." I love when Jay gets it oh so right.

@jdc639

Жыл бұрын

Jay is right almost all of the time. Mike is consistently a bit hopeless by comparison.

@tinyturnip7676

Жыл бұрын

I just hope and pray he never gets on one of those missing persons lists

@timmadison5410

Жыл бұрын

Scrolled down to say the same thing.

@fantastopotomus

Жыл бұрын

Most accurate quote of 2022

@OCMOOO

Жыл бұрын

Forgive me for asking, can you explain how women self identify with true crime? Got a Mom who can't enough of the genre Not being malicious just curious.

Bunch of jobs. Lived with grandma. Milwaukee. Weird childhood. Anyone keeping an eye on Rich?

@HomoErectusIsAFunnyName

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry Mike will leak it all when he founds the funniest/most embarrassing moment for Rich to do so.

@mattclarkphotography

Жыл бұрын

Dick the b̶i̶r̶t̶h̶d̶a̶y̶ ̶bo̶y̶ serial killer

@dial2616

Жыл бұрын

This really re-contextualizes his birthday shirt...

@jofbaut1203

Жыл бұрын

The latest slasher horror sensation in the style of Silent Night, Deadly Night and Sleepaway Camp: DICK THE BIRTHDAY BOY.

@sergioayala1835

Жыл бұрын

Eyes on Evans

One of the most disturbing things in the show that I learned was that there seem to be apartments that are connected by vents.

@Cutthecamerasdeadass1899

Жыл бұрын

that's how that usually works.....smh

@noneatall9060

Жыл бұрын

Remember, the "neighbor" in this show actually lived in a different building...so...

@bruhdon4748

7 ай бұрын

@@noneatall9060yeah the neighbour didn’t live next door at all lol

As an Aussie who has had limited-to-no interaction with Milwaukee, RLM will always be my immediate association with the city. Not Dahmer.

Saul Goodman defending Dahmer, "Your Honor, if you are what you eat, my client is an innocent young man!"

@ArminAwesome

Жыл бұрын

this joke is so cruel and hilliarious at the same time that I'm gonna steal it some day

@rattelv426

Жыл бұрын

"Fine Mr Goodman, but he still committed murder, so even if we dismiss the cannibalism charges, he abducted, drugged and murdered young men, my decision is he is guilty and will be executed."

@jayclean5653

Жыл бұрын

😭

@thac0twenty377

Жыл бұрын

I feel guilty laughing. Good one man

@glenaleksis4589

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

It’s disappointing to me that this show is getting all this attention while Mindhunter, an excellent Netflix series showing the process of STOPPING serial killers, gets cancelled.

@myztik5716

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't canceled, Fincher didn't want to do it anymore

@smrodan

Жыл бұрын

it certainly did the subversive stuff Mike and Jay were suggesting might have been the intent for this show, like confronting the serial killer fandom aspect and showing it for all it's ugliness, but Mindhunter did it on purpose soo....

@nikk796

Жыл бұрын

Mindhunter is wayyy wayyyyy better then this series

@PALACIO254

Жыл бұрын

That doesn't sound sexy enough horrid murders pack that puch the slack Jawed public desires. - Paul marketing

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

The first season of Mindhunter was really damn good. The second was still pretty good, but not as much. It could have been fixed, though. It could have become an amazing show.

Mike forgetting the word missing is so funny

@conormeehan.

Жыл бұрын

“Lost and found?”

Mike was sitting so tensely and impatiently waiting to talk about the shampoo commercial. You can tell because he loosened up afterward.

@JC20XX

Жыл бұрын

This is the kind of comment they don't come to the comments for

@johnpederson8748

Жыл бұрын

What did Jeffery Dahmer keep in his shower? Head and Shoulders.

@johnpederson8748

Жыл бұрын

EDIT: I didn't realize the hosts made this joke in this episode.

@PokeRapper5000

Жыл бұрын

@@johnpederson8748 Your version of the joke is way better.

Having a gay bar with a dark history right across the street must have been really convenient for Jay.

@r.henryjr.1533

Жыл бұрын

So that's where this notorious "Man Hole" is

@THECHI7LDUDE22

Жыл бұрын

Come on don't do Jay like that

@ELEKTROSKANSEN

Жыл бұрын

Now I wanna see a drama about an owner of such bar, who deals with loss of his clients after a serial killer appears in the area

@RxYouth

Жыл бұрын

Shhhh, they dont know his real name, he goes by Susan there

@Corbomite_Meatballs

Жыл бұрын

Not if it wasn't Club 219, where ol' Dahmer cruised for targets.

I think one of the saddest parts about all these exploitative true crime pieces is that they give a lot of the killers exactly what they wanted; undying attention and spectacle.

@McServers2000

Жыл бұрын

Yup and if anything it fuels future events like that because people with those fucked up thoughts realize how much it “celebrated” in our culture and media. It’s fucked up and gross. If you’re gonna make a serial killer movie make it from the police’s point of view and make it FICTIONAL.

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I thought about that when Mike said something about famous serial killers. The last thing they deserve is fame. Countless good people die and are forgotten, while the worst humanity has to offer get to enjoy a privilege once reserved for ancient Egyptian god-kings: Being remembered forever. Immortality.

@dannybowers4133

Жыл бұрын

He's dead

@Avengerie

Жыл бұрын

@@dannybowers4133 The would be serial killers are not, and they are seeing how much notoriety it brings.

@TheDrLeviathan

Жыл бұрын

@@dannybowers4133 Nope, he isn't. He lives rent free in a lot of minds. There's a few killers that do it simply for that. For the shock and fame, and the knowledge people will talk about them forever. A lot of it is about power, power over the victims, and power over the public. We can't get rid of them, no matter what.

The main thing that made me honestly angry is that the writing of Tracy Edwards situation with Dahmer is a complete left turn from what actually happened. He wasn’t gay, he didn’t come on to Jeffrey, they didn’t meet at a gay bar, none of it was accurate. The Only things that were was that he was watching the exorcist and that he put his head on Tracy’s heart and told him he wanted to eat it. That’s it. I think it’s very damning to change an actually person’s whole character in a media circuit for views. I didn’t watch after that.

@crimefite1316

Жыл бұрын

100%! I heard a lot about the show before deciding to watch it. My friends at work were recommending it like crazy. I had a lot of reservations, but I decided to take a look. I only got about half way through before I had to stop watching it because I started to fact check every episode as I went. It's ASTOUNDING how much stuff is completely wrong or made up. And this only strengthened the negative feelings I had about it from the start. They said they made it in respect of the families- false. They said Dahmer wouldn't be the central character- false. They said it was supposed to highlight the problems people of colour (and specifically gay men of colour) faced during that time- which they maybe did somewhat, but it feels a lot more like exploitation than awareness. They also wrote his mom's struggle with mental illness into being the comedic relief. I told myself that if it was AT LEAST a factual retelling of events then there was some merit to it and worth watching. But it failed even on that level, so, like Mike, it left me wondering 'what am I even getting out of this?'. This whole thing is just a cash grab with no thought put into how it actually affects real people. I rarely think there is anything that shouldn't have been made, but this show? It shouldn't have been made.

@mjwbulich

Жыл бұрын

In what world does a straight man allow another man to lay his head on his chest and listen to his heartbeat?

@jgames1113

11 ай бұрын

I mean Tracy Edward is a pedophile, so I could not give a crap about disrespectful portrayal of him. But for the other victims it is disrespectful, inaccurate at time and some of the side character story is fabricated in some part to push a political narrative which feel scummy. Black and Gay people being discriminated by the police is already a powerful and factual narrative, but pushing for BLM comparison by creating fictitious side story is just irksome.

@spacemanspud7073

8 ай бұрын

​@@mjwbulichHe was handcuffed and held at knife point. I don't know if you know this, but Dahmer was known to be like a real jerk to alot of people.

@opiliones4202

7 ай бұрын

​@@mjwbulichyou are terrified of being perceived as homosexual even with anonymity on the internet. Hilarious

16:40 - Brock Turner actually lives in a suburb of my hometown Dayton, Ohio. He is absolutely vilified publically and any time he's spotted at a local bar or downtown there's a mob of people who will kick him out and post warnings of his sightings on Facebook. His sentence was absolutely too lenient, but the local public has not allowed him a moment of peace. Dayton also suffered a mass shooting several years ago and has banded together to eradicate this kind of thing from the community as far as the law will allow. Just a little update for anyone interested.

@DanBharry

Жыл бұрын

I was just about to look up what happened to him. Glad he hasnt been able to get away with it (though ofc he should be rotting in a cell)

@uglypuppy9042

Жыл бұрын

Based Ohio.

@mcs7625

Жыл бұрын

Dayton, Ohio has suburbs? Lol

They're treating Dahmer and other serial killer stories like it's part of the Disney marvel extended universe

@valley_robot

Жыл бұрын

Exactly why I will not watch this shit , well said my friend

@rickardkaufman3988

Жыл бұрын

@@valley_robot Well, the show got renewed for two more seasons. Yikes.

@nickkiller-0710

Жыл бұрын

"Dahmer, we'll have to travel back in time to recruit Jack The Ripper, *he's the only one that can defeat Thanos"*

@LipziG3R

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. I find these people interesting ... looking how messed up our brains can be, what leads to that and what comes of it. But that's what books and serious documentaries are for ... preferably not just about these super popular cases.. There you get actual information packed as exactly that. Not some glorifying entertainment bs. I think it's absolutely disgusting to make money with these stories and playing them out for the world to see and try to shock the audience, just so that some people can be entertained. Make some stuff up, of that's the goal.

@rickardkaufman3988

Жыл бұрын

@@LipziG3R Same. But even then, it's a tightrope to pull off. When it comes to Dahmer media, the only one I liked is My Friend Dahmer. It's from the perspective of Dahmer's friend and gives you an insight into Dahmer's life.

There's some irony that the show criticizes the bulldozing of the apartment building and the decision to put nothing (even no memorial) on the spot. Right now it's an empty lot and people *still* treat it like a weird pilgrimage site. Can you imagine how gross it would be if there was a victims memorial and it was mobbed with true crime fans?

@StarPichu12

Жыл бұрын

There is no way in hell people wouldn't make it into a shrine for him.

@theparagonal

Жыл бұрын

Even if it was, like, a call center, people who worked there would not be left alone.

@ELEKTROSKANSEN

Жыл бұрын

They should've built a butcher shop there

@jebus89

Жыл бұрын

There is a weird point about halfway through where the creators almost went into damage control mode. They spent so long glamourising these murders they thought "oh shit, we should probably start saying how bad it is and remember these were people...err you people who are fascinated by him...shame on you! Now everyone, sit back and enjoy someone brutally bashing his face in with a pipe"

@parkerlong2658

Жыл бұрын

@@jebus89 tbf Jeffery Dahmer is one of the weirdest and most strange serial killer cases in American history. There's so much weird shit surrounding him and the people around him. It's hard not to glamorize him with a drama because he's a very mysterious guy and that just comes off as kind of charismatic in a drama even if he was an absolute monster.

I cant wait for the sequel. I have a good idea for the name. Dahm and dahmer

@donuts_are_good

Жыл бұрын

I saw someone post this recently. Can’t remember if it was a skit or just a meme.

@odigity

Жыл бұрын

This was the best comment.

@thejustinsteffan

Жыл бұрын

@@donuts_are_good damn I hope they stole it from me

i'm still anticipating the long awaited 10 part netflix series "Evans: story of a monster"

@ArchiduquesaMA

Жыл бұрын

every episode is evan peters playing a different serial killer

@channelbrookes

Жыл бұрын

Episode one - A man walks through a packed fairground holding a balloon. Everyone looks happy except for him. He looks up at the rides, almost enviable of the riders' collective joy. JUMP CUT TO: Man from fairground is stood with a friend, who is on the phone. Man: Yeah, well me and my friend Rich Evans aren't coming back to be in your stupid movie!

Mike saying “what the fuck is a thirst post” brings me joy

"What's the poster you hang up when a person goes missing?" "The Missing Persons Poster!" Mike is truly a different breed of human.

@auronius7332

Жыл бұрын

"Lost & Found!?"

@ZeppMan217

Жыл бұрын

A polar opposite of Einstein,

@FormattedWill

Жыл бұрын

His brain is slowly deteriorating from a combination of alcoholism, bad movies, star trek picard, and becoming elderly. We're seeing it in near real time.

@smackedpickle

Жыл бұрын

"Not a Wanted poster" had me deceased

@vespenegas261

Жыл бұрын

That's the reason he -loves- loved Star Treck. He just wants to go to his home planet.

They were talking about how the actor wasn't creepy as dahmer but listening to people in the gay community and circles Dahmer ran in they all emphasized how respected and well liked Dahmer was, they thought he was an absolute darling and didn't find him creepy at all, he was a big hit at the club and bar scene.

@Tangentbordsblues

Жыл бұрын

They are mentally unstable after all

The best part was when they were trying to tell him to plead insanity. "No, I knew what I was doing."

One of the most terrifying people to come out of Milwaukee, after Mike himself of course

@YukiGibson

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Mike took part on creating Slenderman.

@plagueofangel8694

Жыл бұрын

As an Ohioan, I must ask you proper credit us for Dahmer

@joshsawyerstreamvods

Жыл бұрын

after videogamedunkey

@CERTAIND00M

Жыл бұрын

Both of them are hacks but only ONE is a fraud.

@janeeyre1990

Жыл бұрын

@@plagueofangel8694 , and Mike is from the Chicago suburbs in Illinois rather than Milwaukee. But aside from that, 100% accurate.

I'm glad to see Red Letter Media supporting local artists 😐

@EpifanesEuergetes

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the genuine LOL I got from this comment.

@isaacnickel

Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

And local businesses, too!

@richarcher499

Жыл бұрын

Ayy lmao

I lived in an inner city area for almost 12 years. Going to the grocery store was always depressing because the community bulletin board was always filled with missing persons posters. Almost all of them were young kids. I realized that if this one grocery store on the outskirts of my relatively small Rust Belt city had this much of a problem, how bad was it across the country? Sure, a good chunk of them just ran away, but a lot are probably . . . It's tough to think about.

@amelzon1

Жыл бұрын

Hi John Kenny. I live in Baltimore. There are a lot of sleepy people here.

@Elfenlied8675309

Жыл бұрын

I live in the human trafficking capital of the US and let me tell you. We don't get nearly ENOUGH missing persons posters or bulletins. Like the state puts it all out of sight out of mind. Reminds me of the citizens of Derry in IT.

@kambasiartre6187

Жыл бұрын

On average 60,000 people go missing every year in the U.S. never to be seen again. Where are all these people going?, Would be my first question and my second would be, Why are not more people questioning where they are?

@ateam404

Жыл бұрын

I moved to Atlanta in 90 and had no idea that 28 kids where murdered from 1979-81. I know now that there were countless more that occurred before (wrote off as runaways since they were never found) and after (wrote off as runaways or not counted because they convicted a man of 2 murders (just 2) but blamed him for the rest).

@gyromurphy

5 ай бұрын

I got a shop in Pittsburgh... in late December 2020, this group of people came in asking if they could put up missing posters in my store front windows. They were the friends and sisters of a girl that was last seen at the tea shop directly across the street from my shop 2 days before. It was brutal watching them. They were frazzled. Obviously been awake with stress the days leading up to them coming in. I felt so f*cking bad. The girl was in her early 20s. A few days after they came by someone found the girls bookbag and shoes on the Homestead Bridge, but she was never found. .... the saddest part, aside from her being gone, are the worn and sunbleached posters still on the streetlight poles around town. Even being laminated, theyre faded to being almost unrecognizable. Sad stuff.

I think the scariest thing here is hearing redlettermedia put a bleep over a swear

@Motawa88

Жыл бұрын

THIS. was only a matter of time before they sell out. sponsors coming next

@Cargo_Bay

Жыл бұрын

@@Motawa88how dare they make sure their videos get monetized! Anyways, I think bleeps can make swearing funnier than hearing the word tbh.

Fun fact: Did you the straw that finally broke Dahmer and prompted him to begin his serial killings was after he sent in his broken VCR to a local shop for repair but when he got it back in the mail it was still broken and filled with pizza rolls.

@jkee9760

Жыл бұрын

He was just trying to watch night court

@pillsareyummy

Жыл бұрын

That's bullshit. Dahmer began killing because he didn't get enough Mayo on one of his hamburgers.

@UnDefinedLegacy

Жыл бұрын

What? I missed the lore established by RL

@LadyTylerBioRodriguez

Жыл бұрын

Its while he was working with Shoji Tabuchi in Branson Missouri!

@KrissyMeow

Жыл бұрын

@@UnDefinedLegacy ...it's a joke.

Mike: "Making money off People's misery is an industry." Also Mike: NEXT TIME ON BEST OF THE WORST

@kkownzor

Жыл бұрын

Any existing fandom after disney purchases an ip

@flannelsykes0

Жыл бұрын

Legit 🤣

@johnhenrysguitar

Жыл бұрын

When has Mike forcing his friends to do black spine ever caused misery...

@MiniMackeroni

Жыл бұрын

"Making money off People's misery is an industry." "HEY RICH, GET IN HERE!"

@JollyGiant19

Жыл бұрын

Now we know why Mike has been a friend of Rich for so long…

At one point in time Netflix had me laughing as I was browsing because Children of the Corn was under "Children's Movies". I mean technically it does have children in it.

I love Mike casually admitting he likes AHS and Jay immediately shooting him down, it's like a 6 year old trying to convince his friend that Barney is still cool

@NashaWriter85

11 ай бұрын

Im just here to give you (OP) props for the 'Drums and Wires' XTC profile pic you have there ^_^

I fully expect Mike to describe some horrific murder in the series and for Jay to just laugh without prompting

@Cursed_Mark

Жыл бұрын

"Mike to describe some horrific murder" From an episode of Star Trek?

@olathianwhiskey416

Жыл бұрын

@@Fanuc_Operator1990 You literally have this backwards...Mike would describe the murder and Jay would laugh. Jay is the one known for laughing at perverse things, do you even know these people or what?

@mayflower2370

Жыл бұрын

@@olathianwhiskey416 You literally have this backwards...Mike would murder the Jay and describe the laugh. Jay is the one thing for laughing at perverse knowns, or do people know what you even these?

@jackmerrick7419

Жыл бұрын

@@Fanuc_Operator1990 Only if it was the murder of an elderly person.

@mrgreen3002

Жыл бұрын

Most horrific on screen murder is Dahmer himself

People just forget that one of the 3 people he killed at his grandmothers home was ALSO a 14 year old boy. There was no dramatic escape to turn into a tense TV scene so people completely forgot about that kid.

@Khan.WrathOf

Жыл бұрын

Doxtater was killed in Dahmer's apartment shortly after the police left. He admitted to it in his police interrogation.

@marcelosdbzmusic8072

Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the show? There was a pretty big dramatic scene of it

@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376

Жыл бұрын

@@marcelosdbzmusic8072 Exactly

@Styles_Breez

Жыл бұрын

@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376 .....no, if you look at his list of victims, there were 2 14 yr Olds that he killed. They only highlighted the one that nearly escaped.

@Styles_Breez

Жыл бұрын

@@marcelosdbzmusic8072 wrong 14 yr old

"I'm weirdly obsessed with stories like Jeffery Dahmer, so I thought I could do a movie about him and shine a spotlight on his victims... but also make a shit tonne of cash doing it" is probably as altruistic of a motivation one can have in Hollywood or any Hollywood adjacent industry.

@JINORU_

Жыл бұрын

or even more exploitative than we could imagine.

When Dahmer first got arrested, I remember one of my dad's friends saying "Jeffrey Dahmer's bologna really did have a first name." I didnt really understand it at the time, but now, that is dark.

"A missing persons report! It means like a person's missing." -Mike Stoklasa, Founder of RedLetterMedia 2022

@RxYouth

Жыл бұрын

I love when he said "lost and found poster"

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if it's due to the alcoholism, or if it's due to Mike having constantly been in the presence of Rich Evans for so long that he's absorbed, via osmosis, Rich's penchant for mush-mouth-speak and malapropisms. Hey, why can't it be both things?

@Pazuzu4All

Жыл бұрын

Kids, this is why you don't start drinking before age 10.

@Madhouse_Media

Жыл бұрын

I mean... He's not wrong.

I love Jay explaining the concept of a thirst post to Mike.

@Pazuzu4All

Жыл бұрын

It's a strange moment of wholesomeness where the subject matter is a potent mix of cynical and scummy.

@kenrecorr2679

Жыл бұрын

“Well grandpa . . . “

@lazulazu2467

Жыл бұрын

@@PyckledNyk mike is 67, jay is 32

" 'Monster in My Colon' would have been a much more awkward title" kills me every time

I don’t think the goal was to make Dahmer sympathetic by casting Evan Peters but rather to humanize him, which ultimately is the most terrifying thing. He wasn’t some creature under your bed, or some unstoppable force, he was just a guy. A guy who had a twisted mind, and it’s scary to think there’s more of them out there or even worse, that you could be capable of such things.

@deadnorth8648

Жыл бұрын

our OverLords have killed more

@danielhaden6674

Жыл бұрын

I really don't think I'd be capable of cutting out a human heart and eating it. I really have a hard time consuming organ meat as it is. Now human skin however, fry it a bit until it's crispy and nice, maybe add some seasoning, myeah. So anyway, what are you up to this weekend?

@Lilybun

Жыл бұрын

@@danielhaden6674 with enough butter, herbs and garlic you can even make snails tolerable to eat. I'm sure human is far easier than that to make palatable

@mesadrums375

Жыл бұрын

@@Lilybun there’s an interview with a guy from Japan I believe? Either way, he travelled somewhere to eat someone and didn’t get arrested for it, and in the interview he described that the most similar meat to human is veal.

@Lilybun

Жыл бұрын

@@mesadrums375 i saw some guys eat a human placenta on finnish television, don't remember what they described it as being like other than disgusting

A Jeffrey Dahmer shaped cloud over the city is such a good way to describe it. His crimes were so horrific there’s a pre and post dahmer mke

@re9246

Жыл бұрын

I think about this whenever I used to go to the Eagles Ballroom and see the Ambassador

@DSPHistoricalSociety

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about Cryptosporidium, when we were the Flint, MI before Flint became Flint, MI.

@regulustheron2565

Жыл бұрын

Why? Ive been living for a year here and everything looks normal, if it wasn't for this video I've never had know that there is a Dahmer tour lol

@freeaudiojungle4407

Жыл бұрын

@@regulustheron2565 "been living here for a year" come on man surely you can connect the dots

@regulustheron2565

Жыл бұрын

@@freeaudiojungle4407 I knew about Pogo and Dahmer already butt I've never heard people here or outside say something about the murders.

When Jay said "...Just a few years ago - in 2017..." I whispered to myself half a decade and turned to dust

@DSPHistoricalSociety

Жыл бұрын

Thanks- now we're all dead

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

That was, like, before the whole covid thing and stuff.

@GeronimoPlaz

Жыл бұрын

Remember how everyone thought 2016 was such a bad year because a few extra celebrities died? Holy f*ck, we had no idea how good we had it. Now most adults hate most celebrities lol

@halfadecade4770

Жыл бұрын

Dude

@halfadecade4770

Жыл бұрын

I'm not dust

I think my favorite Mike and Jay moments is when Mike says something off color and Jay is desperately trying not to laugh

I've read that wanting complete control over their sexual partner, or more appropriately their victim, is very common for necrophiles.

@elisetarter4074

Жыл бұрын

I mean that's what Bundy did, too. Just in a different way. It's absolutely a strong common thread for a number of serial killers. Also the need to possess and be close to their victims, only as corpses and not living, autonomous people.

"That seems very dramatized". That's because quite a bit of it didn't happen. That's the thing that bothered me the most about the doc, the misinformation that people are taking as fact. Glenda wasn't Jeffrey's neighbor. She wasn't calling the police over several victims, she called about that poor child who was murdered. He didn't interact with her. There's no proof that Jeffrey and Anthony had a relationship. Apparently he had a friend named Jeff and Jeffrey claimed they met for the first time that night. They romanticized a murderer and his victim. I feel bad for the victims and their families having to relive this.

@xxplasticxx4893

Жыл бұрын

the part where he goes to glenda‘s apartment to give her a meat sandwich was so gross to me, it was like they were painting him out to be hannibal lector

@Deathkill06

Жыл бұрын

@@xxplasticxx4893 apparently that story is true but the sandwich wasn't given to Glenda but a different neighbor who said they believed after the fact that it was human meat. Who knows though, one of the criminal psychologists who worked on Jeffrey in one documentary on KZread claimed in the last month leading up to his arrest the only meat Jeffrey was consuming was the free meat of his victims. It was the only type of meat packaged up and cooked in his apartment, there was multiple pans and pots with cooked human meat on his stove during his arrest. So apparently the cannibalism was in fact pretty hardcore towards the end.

@capitanclassic8624

Жыл бұрын

That's the problem with these dramatizations like When They Ses Us, or Dahmer, people start remembering fake historical events. The Cnetral Park Five were never exonerated and Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house.

@petewerehere

Жыл бұрын

@@capitanclassic8624 🎶One of these things is not like the others🎶

@capitanclassic8624

Жыл бұрын

@@petewerehere yeah, SNL isnt really a dramatization, it's a sketch comedy.

It felt so random an unnecessary to have the recreations of the crimes of Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy. Like they really saw it as an MCU movie where your other favorite characters make a cameo

@T_R_O_Y_McClure

Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I thought. Seems like they were setting up a gacy show at the end

@RealTalkAlexV

Жыл бұрын

@@T_R_O_Y_McClure it’s cause he was baptized the same day gacy got executed

@andresanlozada2495

Жыл бұрын

@@RealTalkAlexV I get that. But did we really needed to see him doing vile things, in full Pogo costume? To me it seemed exploitative, looking to shock with another messed up serial killer, getting the same response as a celebrity cameo, but for the true crime community

@andresanlozada2495

Жыл бұрын

@@RealTalkAlexV With that said, it was amusing to see Psycho Pete from Always Sunny in Philadelphia playing John Wayne Gacy

@tylerEN

Жыл бұрын

@@T_R_O_Y_McClure I wouldn’t put anything past Ryan Murphy! I bet we’ll be dished out another mini series, this time with John Wayne Gacy in no time.

The true crime obsession is something I never really looked into until I started dating a girl who was obsessed with that stuff. Don’t get me wrong, like most people I grew up being fascinated with the otherworldly acts of these serial killers and their motives but it was just fleeting interest for me personally. These true crime stories pretty much write themselves therefore the content is easy to produce and easy to consume. The mystery is there, the villain is there, the motives are there, the relatability is there, etc. There’s always that hint of voyeurism that muddies the waters a bit though. All in all, these kinds of movies/shows have their place.

@MajorT0m

Жыл бұрын

The mystery is there because the motive for the murders is rarely explored. As a society we focus on the symptoms rather than the problems because it is easier to be seen to be doing something.

@ForeverMasterless

Жыл бұрын

@@MajorT0m To be fair it's hard to understand the motives of a serial killer and to a large degree I do think there's just something wrong with their brains. I agree with you when it comes to spree shooters and whatnot, though.

@appalachiabrauchfrau

Жыл бұрын

as little girls we're taught to be vigilant and scared of these men, so I think that's a part of it.

@gmaureen

Жыл бұрын

@@appalachiabrauchfrau Exactly. And, the only way to protect ourselves is to try to recognize/identify these men before we become their victims.

We should definitely take a minute to notice how surprising it is to see Niecy Nash in such a serious role and doing so well in it. I'd only known her from "Reno 911!" and some other comedy roles, and it took me at least a full episode or two of this to realize that she was playing Glenda Cleveland.

@itchybrother21

Жыл бұрын

If they'd put Lt. Dangle on the case, they would've got Dahmer much quicker.

@MP-mc7bs

Жыл бұрын

I felt she was overacting and Hamming it tf up. She got cringey at times for me.

If the filmmakers wanted true controversy, they should've had Dahmer be played by Rich Evans.

@GummiDropz

Жыл бұрын

Dick the birthday Dahmer

@bmljenny

Жыл бұрын

Well he'd be kinda perfect for whatever show they make about BTK...

@l9day

Жыл бұрын

"Let's just cuddle, it will avoid the AAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSS"

@videogamechangers605

Жыл бұрын

The actor playing Dahmer was already too sexy and you want to make him even sexier?!

@eachday9538

Жыл бұрын

Dahmer The Murder Boy

Jay: "True Crime is popular with soccer mums because their lives are so boring!" Also Jay: "Every year there comes another Dahmer movie out. But I watch it anyway."

@halfadecade4770

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@SaulGoodman3D2049

Жыл бұрын

It's common knowledge that soccer mom Susan Bauman moonlights as movie critic Jay to spice up her boring life

@MP-mc7bs

Жыл бұрын

He’s always contradicting himself lol poor fellow wants to constantly sound intelligent.

@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax

Жыл бұрын

@The Rue Morgue No he's not LOLOLOL

@rutgerhauer666

Жыл бұрын

Correct… Jay dumps on soccer moms for rubbernecking Dahmer but literally has watched and has an easy familiarity with EVERY DAHMER FILM EVER MADE. Dude is a fucking hypocrite who needs to turn the microscope on himself. He loves and laps up exploitation unapologetically; can’t get enough.

This video was a better analysis of Dahmer than any show imo, and with nigh zero disrespect to victims to boot

True crime has been a massive hit ever since late 18th century, people always say “why true crime now?” And the only answer is that it’s not just now but people have always had a morbid curiosity.

"I know their not thirsting after Dahmer", oh Jay sweet summer child

@iconodule3938

Жыл бұрын

Hybristophilia is a hell of a drug

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

Yeah... Let's not kill his innocence.

As a NYC Ghostbuster, I take ppl on a walking tour and feel slightly guilty everytime I say: : "And this is where a giant marshmallow rampaged through Columbus Circle"

@GeronimoPlaz

Жыл бұрын

Wut

@doger944

Жыл бұрын

How dare you monetize a national tragedy!?

@ScottyKirk1

Жыл бұрын

@OB Marte Do you have a website for your tour schedule??

@JustinLKraeer

Жыл бұрын

You monster

@Thykothaken

Жыл бұрын

Too soon

Love the way Mike looks when Jay says Kurt got killed by a shotgun 😂

@Kaitozas

Жыл бұрын

I think you got your Mikes and Jays confused

The way Dahmer would get indignant when people would interrogate him reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite.

@johnv6806

Жыл бұрын

I dont really remember that happening. They gave him all the cigarettes and coffee he wanted and he told them anything they wanted to know.

@dproust

Жыл бұрын

@@johnv6806 oh yeah, not the authorities, meant his Dad and Grandma.

The most shocking and horrifying part of this review is that Mike likes American Horror Stories

@Galamoth06

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god I know. I'm quite disappointed. At least Jay has some taste.

@fattyjaybird7505

Жыл бұрын

.... AHS took A LOT of patience for me to get through... not really an upstanding statement when describing a series. Dahmer ran out of gas about 2/3 through the series, i thought, if anyone is watching this, its usually horror fans who say they respect the victims, and not sensationalism of the killer..... really? ....really? 🙄

@deadgrandma9407

Жыл бұрын

He's a paraphiliac

@zacharyhaynes8969

Жыл бұрын

Imagine being so miserable you scoff at the idea of guilty pleasures.

@deadgrandma9407

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyhaynes8969 I'm imagining.... Now what?

I like how Jay is a man of his word. The title of this review is hilarious.

@reizak8966

Жыл бұрын

I just noticed that. 😂

@tripjj8662

Жыл бұрын

They’re genius

@xp8969

Жыл бұрын

Mike got his pun backwards at 0:52 though It should have been "my colon in a monster"

@brianbauman938

Жыл бұрын

Who type editing this sheet hmmmmm

I think true crime shows are also a way for people to face their worst fears about life from the comfort of their couch. I think some people are very much afraid of being killed by a serial killer and true crime shows allow them to deal with that fear in some indirect way while eating chips.

@HuluKiwi

Жыл бұрын

Personally…as one of the many “soccer/wine moms”.. I don’t watch true crime shows for the fear factor. I’m more interested in: how could someone do that, why they did it that way, if the victim got away, and more of the facts of an event. I also like the ending of most of these stories that tell you that the killer got killed in jail or has finally got caught… If I wanted fear, I would go walking alone down the street.

@26michaeluk

6 ай бұрын

That's exactly what Wes Craven said about horror movies. Its in our subconscious and everyone is capable of acting on sub primal things from our reptile brain. Good thoughts.

Speaking for myself, and likely most regular people drawn to serial killer and other true crime... I've been fascinated since I read about a girl kidnapped/kept underground in a box, (in Reader's Digest, as a kid in the early 70's). The fascination is def not the gore or the dark side. It's basically the psychology behind what creates a human like this, and mostly the satisfaction when they are identified, caught, and ultimately convicted and put away for good. I can't stand to watch unsolved cases. It's a reminder that the bad guy got away with it.

@texasbeast239

Жыл бұрын

I want to understand the psychology, and also the investigation that finally catches these monsters. But it is very frustrating how incompetent the cops are for a long time before they finally luck out.

@wt_neptune54

Жыл бұрын

Are you the alien girl from Mars Attacks!?

@lisamh9037

Жыл бұрын

@@wt_neptune54 yes. Ssshhh.

Every time something is "based" on a true story, I go with the idea that the only part they get right is people needed oxygen to breathe.

@bobafettjr85

11 ай бұрын

In the Cocaine Bear episode of Half in the Bag Mike suggested a rating system for how accurate "based on a true story" is.

@ccairns9929

9 ай бұрын

based

@Pauly421

5 ай бұрын

Not on a true story, just based.

I think murder stories like this are meant to be told in a documentary format rather than acted

@steverogers8163

Жыл бұрын

yes these "recreation" documentaries distort peoples understand of what really happened. All in the service of making the story sizzle more.

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@luiginastro8831

Жыл бұрын

Or just do it like Fincher did with Mindhunter.

@theManishMuse

Жыл бұрын

But the true crime genre does that, and it’s just as awful and salacious and constructed. I prefer dramatisation - you can discuss larger themes (can a monster ever be forgiven or ‘saved’?). A doco can only deliver the facts, not the question we’re all asking by watching: why?! How?!

@DanAgain123

Жыл бұрын

They should be cause this series flat out made stuff up like the black lady that lived next door and pretty much everything she did in it

When he said “what are those posters called… lost and found? Missing person?” And Jay was like “the Missing Persons poster!” I fucking died.

Poppy Z Brite wrote a horror novel "Exquisite Corpse" which was much inspired by Dahmer. It's an evil, but well written book.

@PinkieImpaled

Жыл бұрын

Brite is 🔥 I grew up on Lost Souls

I appreciated them slipping Jeff, Who Lives At Home into the roll call of Dahmer dramatisations.

@joesrarefinds4937

Жыл бұрын

I thought for a second that movie was related to Dahmer even though I've seen it.

@user-vv9lr2rw5d

Жыл бұрын

I just thought it killed a piece of Jay’s soul when he watched that and that’s why it was on there. Double entendre unlocked

Just wait; 20 years from now we're going to get a god damn dramatized Chris-Chan series like this. Only we're not going to get a big movement from the victim's family, because the monster in that story IS the victim's family!

@GigaDonk99

Жыл бұрын

And Netflix will probably categorize that as LGBTQ and get even more backlash for that being the worst representation fucking imaginable

@jdlamb4212

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully we're going to nuke ourselves before that, and really seems like the better outcome.

@Orgotheonemancult

Жыл бұрын

He'll be played by one of the kids from Stranger Things. Screencap this.

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

@@GigaDonk99 Accurate, though.

@DSPHistoricalSociety

Жыл бұрын

I find it hilarious when people cried about representation, when Dahmer was indeed a member of LGB group

9:37 'People's misery is an industry' So true! There was a series of murders and sting operations in my area taking down a group of pedophiles (the stings) and a drug gang (the murders) and a documentary team came to my high school to get interviews from the kids who lived in that area (including myself). It felt so wrong.

My sister and I stopped watching anything about serial killers because we decided they deserved to be forgotten.

@dilutioncreation1317

Жыл бұрын

I had that feeling for the first time with this one. I think it's because he wasn't popularly known and it was only by chance that I read about it through wikipedia. Somehow, maintaining the popularity of a serial killer felt less obviously exploitive to me than drumming up new popularity for one that was pretty much forgotten.

@Unherist

Жыл бұрын

I don't think they should be forgotten actually. On the contrary we should pay close attention to what they are and, more importantly, how they became what they are. We have to know the recipe as to better avoid it. Turning a blind eye on the darkest side of humanity is a very dangerous thing to do imo.

@JamesonWilde

Жыл бұрын

@@dilutioncreation1317 are you saying Dahmer wasn't well known or am I misreading your comment?

@ArchiduquesaMA

Жыл бұрын

lol

@BubbleArcadia

Жыл бұрын

I used to be fascinated by it too and watch that shit nonstop til I just decided why give evil screen time at all!??!

People who are glorifying Dahmer and buying Dahmer-related merch need a reality check.

@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819

Жыл бұрын

The Midwest is kind of weird when it comes to serial killer glorification. Obviously, these are horrible creatures that should never be celebrated by any stretch of the imagination, but you'll be surprised how often people like John Wayne Gacy (who had a documentary series last year on HBO Max), the Angel of Death, Carl Watts, or Herb Baumeister (another guy who targeted gay people though not for cannibalistic purposes) get brought up.

@lolusuck386

Жыл бұрын

Wait, there's Dahmer merch?

@RarebitFiends

Жыл бұрын

@@bigjohnsbreakfastlog5819 This makes me glad I live on a coast.

@athejbaka7084

Жыл бұрын

@@lolusuck386 Yeah I bought some yesterday

@athejbaka7084

Жыл бұрын

Dahmer was based seethe

It was actually called Dahm and Dahmer originally.

@bulkeh

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad I checked to see if someone else made this joke first. Nothing tackier than making the same joke as someone else, except for making THIS joke.

@prowokator

Жыл бұрын

@@bulkeh weak people check comments. Go alpha and be your inner dad.

@bulkeh

Жыл бұрын

@@prowokator what if my inner dad is weak, man

@prowokator

Жыл бұрын

@@bulkeh impossible, or at least very unlikely. Embrace it, it will feel natural, unlimited power on your fingertips!

@bulkeh

Жыл бұрын

@@prowokator i feel the strength! I know how to build a deck now

I applaud Mike's restraint for not mentioning Rich Evans when talking about Dahmer living with his grandma. I just know that joke was made off camera though 😁.

The life/image rights of serial killers should be given to the victims’ families for 100 years.

@thepapschmearmd

10 ай бұрын

For real. We keep glorifying serial killers and mass shooters and wonder why people keep wanting to be the next Dahmer.

I think telling the story in a more traditional linear way would have been a mistake. But not because it would have bored the audience; If you structured the story in a way where you watch Dahmer grow up and become a serial killer, I think you run the risk of appearing to want to humanize a monster. Especially since episode 1 (and maybe even 2) would have been about his dysfunctional family and childhood, and the end of the show would have been about him in prison seeking forgiveness. Starting the show on his final "kill" was a good way of solidifying that no matter what happens after episode 1, the audience is fully aware of how evil this person was.

@Treblaine

Жыл бұрын

It should have been told COMPLETELY backwards, start in the 2020s addressing how people saw the Dahmer killings today then crash to the reality of the trial which is where the public first know about Dahmer and the reaction to a cannibalistic serial killer. Their lurid reaction to this which by extraordinary coincidence came to public knowledge at the same time as Silence of The Lambs swept the Oscars and was a story all about a cold calculating cannibalistic serial killer. And I think it really should have been challenged the idea that Dahmer is really as he presents himself in court and prison interviews as if he's some detached semi-catatonic pathetic person. The idea that this is an act really should be challenged, I mean, there was no way he could evade responsibility he was caught red handed. The only way he could possibly save himself was to act like a malfunctioning android. But was he? Sure he wasn't a gleeful gloating slasher killer but does that mean he wasn't just another sadist? He killed people in ways that were slow, painful and also extremely varied, I think there's a lot to challenge the idea that he wasn't just another sensation-driven predator. I really don't think there's much point going to his childhood, while something in his childhood MAY have caused him to end up like this there's no way you can know what. I want a film that deconstructs the myth of Dahmer, and gets down to the man, who is - I believe - just another killer. It is my belief any cold blooded killer is a serial killer if they can keep getting away with it, if they can kill once then they can kill again.

@Hugsloth

Жыл бұрын

What makes people like Dahmer, or Lizzie Borden, or whoever, interesting media fodder isn't "they did X", but "what causes a person to become capable of x"?

@cfighter95

Жыл бұрын

@@Hugsloth Sure, but when making a dramatization of a serial killer its probably best you don't lose focus of the fact that they are indeed a serial killer. Especially when not every viewer of your show is going to be familiar with the story.

@Flameb0

Жыл бұрын

or... it should not have been told. we don't need netflix drama miniseries about fucking serial killers

@UltimateBrody

Жыл бұрын

@Andrew Or you can just not watch. Just because Andrew doesn’t want something to be made, doesn’t mean it shouldn’t exist. Watch something else.

An entire episode of his neighbor hearing all the terrible sounds and smells coming from his apartment, how it affected her even at her place of employment, how she freaked out on the police when they finally arrested him... Yet in reality she never even lived in his apartment building.

@patrickweller5254

Жыл бұрын

Wait what?

@captinundies6049

Жыл бұрын

The character was 2 characters. The one that was calling the cops throwing a fit was over exaggerated she called the cops the one night made a check u guys call when she seen the same kid missing in the paper she was never even in the same building as jeffery. His neighbor was fairly quiet

@PurpleColonel

Жыл бұрын

They mixed the woman who made that phone call and tried to help the kid with his neighbor

@BishopWalters12

Жыл бұрын

Hollywood will never allow facts to get in the way of an agenda.

@ronmastrio2798

Жыл бұрын

The journalist who first went into the house with the police also said that it just smelt of chemicals not bodies.

I think we are so accustomed to judging a work of art by the intent and motivations of the artist, we can forget that the audience has motivations as well. And maybe the two are linked more than we care to admit. Artists don't create in a vacuum, as if no one is going to see or hear their work. We can learn just as much about the people choosing to watch this show as about the people who made it.

this is a really well put-together conversation that is sensitive and earnest about the discussion around sensationalism. Thank you guys for making it.

This is why everyone needs to watch and study “How to survive edged weapons” especially dos Midwestern deer.

@smrodan

Жыл бұрын

when they started talking about the Milwaukee accent I immediately remembered a woman from that video shouting at a cop asking her to hand over her knives(?) or something saying "I'm soh sec of yer shit!"

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

Dos... a deer... a Midwestrn deer...

@DeflatingAtheism

Жыл бұрын

Considering that it’s apparently typical for people in Milwaukee to have Satanic altars in their apartments, you have to be prepared for anything.

I haven't seen the show but I'm kind of glad that true crime stuff is getting backlash. In the last several years it's gotten increasingly exploitative and sensationalist, and it's a little too much in the mainstream. I understand that a lot of these crimes are very interesting and the information should be available to people, but it's gotten out of hand. You can go to any KZread channel or podcast the deals with "spooky" things like ghosts, cryptids, etc, and every other video will just be about real world violent crimes and they're treating them like they are the same level of seriousness as a UFO story. Netflix released Dahmer in the weeks leading up to Halloween. I don't think that's the coincidence. It's pretty messed up to try to turn real life tragedies into the basis for holiday movies.

@BASEDinMaine

Жыл бұрын

Glad to see these kind of comments. I saw this being pushed and was disgusted. They need to stop "honoring" these horrific people with cinema. They obviously did it because true crime stuff is massively popular (with so many American women I know, in particular). I hope that consumers actually stop supporting this stuff. I think it really may create future monsters who have nothing left to lose and think that maybe they can leave an infamous enough story that some boardroom psychos will glorify the story with dollar signs in their eyes.

@ELEKTROSKANSEN

Жыл бұрын

Oh no, I love informative murder porn!

@reservoirfrogs2177

Жыл бұрын

So hard to make people see this. These are real people who really suffered

@rakka64

Жыл бұрын

The show actually did a pretty good job of not glorifying him tho. My awful opinion is that true crime moms are the same as WW2 documentary dad's, yea their obsession with these tragedies is weird but theyre not hurting anyone by consuming that type of content. I think what you're asking for is impossible, people will never stop being fascinated by tragedies so true crime will forever be one of the most popular genres of content. Not saying that's a good thing but I think humans are naturally too curious to stop talking about and consuming this type of stuff

@gernwind9262

Жыл бұрын

This sort of thing was may more present in the 90s. Subcultures been revelling in serial killer smut since the 80s (Industrial, death metal, grind core...), then in the 90s it pushed mainstream.

"Is this really the time for X?" Is the worst non criticism statement for a media product bar none.

God smh it, how many times does it need to be addressed?! The creature was called Dahmer's monster, not Dahmer! Dahmer was the scientist that created the monster! While typing this, I realized: the context of Dahmer experimenting on people to make them into zombies kinda puts a grim spin on this Frankenstein joke.

@JeanMarceaux

Жыл бұрын

Also, that Mike's line about the show being called "My Name's Steven" made me wonder if we'll ever see a Netflix show about Dahmer called My Name Jeff

I said aloud "What the fuck is a thirst post?" at the same time Mike did, then laughed uncontrollably.

@DSPHistoricalSociety

Жыл бұрын

Did you get your answer grandpa?

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

When I first heard about someone being "thirsty," I thought it was alluding to their alcoholism. Turns out, it was alluding to horniness. Now that I think about it, if it DID refer to alcoholism, Mike would have already known what Jay was talking about. You know, because of Mike's first-hand knowledge and experience on the subject.

@Corbomite_Meatballs

Жыл бұрын

It's supposed to be a "thirst trap" post, but Jay's trying to keep it a secret from Mike and us that he does that on Insta and for his OF.

I always thought early Mr. Plinkett was basically Dahmer. Bones in the basement Doesn't want his victims to leave Likes Star Wars

@TheSurprisePig

Жыл бұрын

Funny glasses

@zagnorch1336

Жыл бұрын

Downs the Totino's pizza rolls like a fiend

Ironically, I started watching Dahmer last night and at the moment when they first showed the blue barrel in Dahmer's bedroom, I was immediately thinking about an older Best of the Worst episode when Jay mentioned Dahmer having a barrel but Mike (Mr. Contrarian) said he was wrong and then launched into a lengthy retelling of Drew Peterson's crimes. Lol. So, Jay, I hope you feel some small level of vindication. Mike owes you a PBR and a Polaroid photo session in his bedroom for which you'll be paid $50.

“Bludgeoned with an Allen Wrench” Can’t say I’ve ever seen an Allen key big enough to bludgeon someone with, Mike

I don’t understand why the creators didn’t stick to the facts. (Like the man who escaped was actually not gay.) Because the truth, itself, is extremely disturbing. Plus, people will watch the show and think all that it portrays is what actually happened.

@MrSkeltal268

Жыл бұрын

How do you not recreate how he was arrested, it’s better than any fiction they created. In this it’s because the cops find some pictures… in real life it’s because they checked the fridge as they were leaving and saw a human head. Who changes that aspect of the story??

@MrSkeltal268

Жыл бұрын

@dude3000 Well hell, you’re right! I always thought they only arrested him because right before leaving they discovered the severed head. Huh. Thanks.

I can't believe you guys haven't watched Dahmer vs Gacy. It's a really good candiate for best of the worst.

@jmaster2855

Жыл бұрын

The fu- excuse me, from the title alone it sounds like a Godzilla Vs. King Kong type film... with real-life serial killers. Probably wrong on that, but you never know.

@All4Tanuki

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more like an Epic Rap Battles Of History video, but without the rapping

@jmaster2855

Жыл бұрын

@@All4Tanuki It's one less p

Why on Earth would you play a mocking soundtrack behind news clips of missing persons?

I'll be real feels kinda weird looking at a missing people compilation with goofy music over it lol

@appalachiabrauchfrau

Жыл бұрын

they just got done making a point about media profiting off of others misery in a video where they show real victims set to funny music in a piece of media they make money off of. You're right to feel weird about it.

@ChrisMeadows1992

Жыл бұрын

@@appalachiabrauchfrau Yeah, a very cruel, misguided and rare L from RLM. I know these guys have big hearts so it really struck me as odd and mean-spirited. I really don't think Mike meant for it to read that way while editing, but it definitely does.

This has been my biggest gripe being in the horror community for so long, too many edgy tryhards who forget themselves when fact and fiction collide. I see horror merch stores selling shirts with serial killers on them and more or less putting them on a pedestal, while the victims families still live and mourn. You can flirt with the dark side of life without respecting it. I felt like it was only a matter of time before zoomers came along and started doing the same shit.

@Owl90

Жыл бұрын

This.

@hexapusink

Жыл бұрын

I love horror in general and went down a rabbit hole of serial killer docs and info about ten years ago. That shit still haunts me to this day. The fact that people are so into it like it's pro wrestling or something is alarming. I don't even want to watch this review and I love RLM's videos. I think a lot of people lack empathy/imagination and don't understand that under slightly different circumstances, they could be killers themselves. I try to stick with ghosts and goblin type horror stuff these days and avoid serial killer films whenever possible.

@BishopWalters12

Жыл бұрын

I went to fearfest in Raleigh, NC in May, I saw these things including a cutting board with a picture of Dahmer and it says something like I'm glad that you are here for dinner. It didn't offend me but I still thought it was trashy and had no interest in buying something that glorfied a real life killer.

@ColasTeam

Жыл бұрын

Same, I like horror and horror themed stuff, but too many people in general are insensitive inconsiderate assholes who seem to unironically believe some of these things are cool. I have a similar gripe with people who are into witchcraft relates things who seem to think it's ok to steal body parts from cemeteries and murder animals for "rituals".

@tobydammit6599

Жыл бұрын

Yeap. Always say the exact same thing. I love the horror community and will collect Michael Myers and freddy kruger merch till no end. But when people in this community start collecting Manson dolls or Gacy paintings or toys. I absolutely check out with that. Those were real life pieces of shit that don’t deserve any more attention in any way. Hate how a ton of people in the horror community mix up idolizing these low lifes with just part of horror.

The missing woman compilation with goofy music is certainly... somethin

@uriahl2331

Жыл бұрын

Knowing Jay, he probably only picked victims that were later found to have survived.

Talk about exploitation and then use news footage of actual missing women as a “joke”. Pretty fuckin low, didn’t expect that kinda shit from these guys.

@ChrisMeadows1992

Жыл бұрын

Based on the comments here, the dislike ratio and discussion on the subreddit, a good chunk of the fans were also pretty disappointed in how cruel and callous, not to mention hypocritical that was. I'm not unsubbing or anything, but yeah, not cool.

Mike: "Im a fan of american horror stories show" The close up on Jay's face... looooooooooooooooooooool