Treantmonk has perfected the overexaggerated shocked youtuber thumbnail face, made me audibly cackle 😂

@TheRulesLawyerRPG

Жыл бұрын

I was pleasantly surprised to see he's kind of a rascal! :D

When he says "no multiclassing", I saw Colby's soul leave his body.

@naehafgh

Жыл бұрын

And it was more or less a lie, they fixed multi classing, you can take an archetype its called. Also he misspoke: Wizards are not as broken as in 5e

@PsyrenXY

Жыл бұрын

​@AskMeLater nothing in 5e is "broken"

@JediNiyte

Жыл бұрын

@@PsyrenXY That's some bullshit. The core system is GREAT. But it's suffered from EXTREMELY lazy writing, and I attribute that to the younger spoiled kids going into the industry. Spelljammer is the most egregious example, but even the core rulebooks are POORLY laid out. The skill system ALONE is a monument to laziness. There are virtually no lists of skill DCs, and the gist is basically, "Here DM. YOU do the game design". My games run MUCH more smoothly after I spent two weeks cobbling together what little there was on 5E skills with the DC lists from 4E and 3.5.

@cablefeed3738

Жыл бұрын

​@@JediNiyte Silence Boomer : P

@JediNiyte

Жыл бұрын

@@cablefeed3738 Sorry, I have Subtle Spell. 😁

I love that great youtubers like Colby and Chris both are looking into pathfinder like me It heartens my hope for the guys I love

Treantmonk, although I don't watch his content, seems like he'd be a fun guy to have at the table

And LOL to Chris, “That’s BULLSHIT!!” 😅

You can take a multiclass although it's not the same thing. You can take an archetype from another class. For instance I'm playing a Nature Domain Cleric who just took the Druid of the Storm Archetype

@tabunga4669

Жыл бұрын

Its not multiclassing, its archetypes like you said. You literally are only ONE class. The 2nd adds flavor

@anonimcz5381

11 ай бұрын

@@tabunga4669 it does also add mechanics and its basically free as most players play with free archetype variant anyway

Colby's favorite class being the Monk is honestly unexpected to me.

Damn it ... I skipped over the full video so many times and now I actually want to watch it 🥴

No multi-classing, but there is a way to take the ability of another class through dedication feats.

My favorite class has always been Druid & I kind of like what Pathfinder did with them. Especially Untamed. My most enjoyable character was an Eldritch Rogue with druid archtype Untamed that took the form control feat & snuck mostly used pest form to sneak even better. Although the claws of Untamed form are agile & and finesse, also took plant form & aerial form later on. I went this way instead of the other way around because wildshapings kinda meh untill higher levels with heavy feat investment.

No multiclassing? Wait till they learn about dedication/archetype feats.

Colby and Treantmonk took me out!!! 😂💀❤ I watched their reactions so many time, hahaha.

Saying there is no multiclassing is not quite correct. True it’s not in the style of 3e, but there is still ways to incorporate other abilities

@eeveeongirl

Жыл бұрын

Since they are all learning I'm sure he just said it to not confuse them. Since to multiclass" you basically trade some of you main class abilities for your chosen archetype

Super funny edit! 🤘

LOL Colby… “Whatttt? 😮”

I think spellcasters are stronger in pathfinder2e than in other editions mainly in the fact all casters are treated equally bards and druids have just as many spell slots and spell options as wizards and sorcerers

Full casters not being as strong just means they're more balanced, which is a good thing, imo

@inky7993

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Treantmonk was joking lol

When is the session 1 edit coming?

Colby kinda resembles Paul walkers long lost brother

Treantmonk, loved his wiz guide for 3e

This is such a cool idea!

Colby talks and moves exactly how he does when filming his videos lmao, he’s so earnest. Love him.

@Taricus

2 ай бұрын

He is filming a video

I love treanmonk's build guides

They added a way to "multiclass"

If you're used to drinking Pepsi, Coke tastes bitter. If you're used to Coke, Pepsi seems too sweet. Most people coming from 5e to PF2e are like switching from Pepsi to Coke. They find the balance of the game to be unfair even though the reality is that 5e is much more lopsided and there isn't anything wrong with PF2e at all

They literally do have multiclassing! Lmao

I could listen to TM calling things BS all day. xD

Is there a full version of this?

Colby kinda looks like the bard from HAT.

Honestly I love this, I hate how in 5e every build is 3 of x, 2 of y the rest in z. I just want to play a moon druid what do you mean I two levels of fighter for action surge?

@Jahn_Pah_Jonz

Жыл бұрын

Then play a lame vegan druid then, dork!

@bonzwah1

6 ай бұрын

It also just makes the game impossible to design for well. Anytime the game designers want to release stuff they have to ask how synergizes with all the other classes. That's just way too much restriction to design within

there is multiclassing.

Multiclassing is an optional rule in 5e and honestly just makes the game worse.

There is literally dual classing, check archives of nethys

Monk is the best class ever.

Heh

It's very weird to me that Treantmonk is a 5e guy just now switching to pathfinder. He was like, THE go-to guide guy for wizards in 3e so you'd figure he was already in the pathfinder ecosystem. Brand loyalty's a bitch huh?

@captaincrash9002

Жыл бұрын

Brand loyalty made him a bitch.

@bonzwah1

6 ай бұрын

To be fair, pf2 is radically different from pf1, and is clearly heavily inspired by D&D 4E which is the edition that drove people away from D&D and to Pathfinder in the first place. So people who switched from pf1 to pf2 are doing so either because of brand loyalty, or they are simply ready to move away from a 3e-style game. Either way, if you apply the same motivation to treantmonk when 5e came out, it all checks out.

But there is multiclass tho

It is bullshit! The concept of balance doesn’t belong in max level spells! Are you telling me I *can’t* cast a 10th level polymorph spell, open the DMG, pick any stat block I want, point at it and say “I am this now,” no questions asked? Absolutely outrageous! 0/10!

Whilst I am very glad that people are finding alternatives to D&D, I think that it is too bad that I don't really like pathfinder 1 or 2... So, instead I will just be that lonely guy who sticks to OSR or something else nobody has ever heard of.

@G-Blockster

Жыл бұрын

I'm waiting for the new #BlackFlag rules for the new O.R.C.

@mr.meadman

Жыл бұрын

@@G-Blockster I am personally going to go wild trying to see if it is for me, and if so, I will probably try it out. I am hoping for the best.

@WolfHreda

Жыл бұрын

I've been eyeballing Zweihander for about a week now. It's supposed to have pretty crunchy combat, which is my jam.

@mr.meadman

Жыл бұрын

@@WolfHreda Isn't that the one made by the guy who killed the Trove? (Which was a website collecting many obscure rpgs now lost to time.)

@simonfernandes6809

Жыл бұрын

There's Level Up: Advanced 5e. Ruins of Symbaroum 5e. And there will be Black Flag. Quite a few 5e alternatives based off 5e.

No multiclassing sounds painful.

@of5606

Жыл бұрын

imo it works better in pf2e, its a lot less broken in general and that includes the multiclass aspect

@HuevoBendito

Жыл бұрын

It *exists*, but not in the way it does in 5e. It places more focus on taking feats from other classes rather than slapping on another class on top of a preexisting one.

@Jahn_Pah_Jonz

Жыл бұрын

Nevermind mind then, I'll just keep playing 3rd edition.

@nothingnerdyNtertainment

Жыл бұрын

@@Jahn_Pah_Jonz 3.5 for me, and the occasional 5e for simplicity's #@(3.

Our group had about 5 sessions of PF2e. My conclusion is that any weapon other than the biggest 2 handed is totally useless. I found no reason to use one handed weapons and natural attacks are useless. Maybe if you want to get a shield, you could consider a one hand weapon. But shielding costs an action and I am certain that leaving the enemy alive for longer is worse. Also all the feats feel super weak. I didn't find any gems. No synergies. Very sad.

@davidh3332

Жыл бұрын

You would be wrong. When you build into the abilities of the weapons themselves there are tons of viable options. The ability to trip, put someone prone, etc. cannot be understated. Also, shields allow you to protect yourself and allies while also having tons of cool features.

@Jaedeok82

Жыл бұрын

Took a bit to realize this wasnt a commentary on 5e. Weapons have much MUCH more incentive to be more varied in PF2e. Shield fighting feats and options for spikes etc are great. Dual wield is viable, one handing has feats that enhance it, weapon properties add dimension and depth, critical effects can further this as well. Vs 5e where if you arent using a 2 handed weapon with reach you are just objectively worse than anyone who is because of polearm master and great weapon fighting, (+sentinel) and an absolute vacuum of options for other weapon types. Melee combat is in the worst feeling state its been in 20 years.

As soon as it said "no multiclassing" it wrecked me, I just couldn't do it.

... no multiclassing? damn..

No multiclassing. You lost me

@Business_Skeleton

Жыл бұрын

There is still Muticlassing. Just not in the way dnd does it.

No multi classing is cringe

@Business_Skeleton

Жыл бұрын

There is still Muticlassing. Just not in the way dnd does it.

Nerfed casters? Hard pass.

Unsub Treantmonk. He has sold out.

@Psychoveliatonet

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I haven't seen a monk hate video for a while now. His latest video on the barBEARian was unBEARable too

@anonimcz5381

11 ай бұрын

sold out to whom, paizo?? youre acting like wizards of the coat is your friend and not a controlled by a megacorporation (hasbro)

PF2E is far better than 5e. 5e is good to get people INTO the idea of TTRPGs PF2E is where you go when you graduate from 5e. Ive played 5e sooooooooooooo much over the past 5-7 years that ive already seen if not played everything. Even the new stuff dont interest me. PF2E is a breath of fresh air. Wanna be the Hulk? Wanna be a goblin that rides an animal and throw bombs? Wanna be a super saiyan? What about venom? Doc Oc? Want to grow to huge sized? What about tiny sized? What about being a halfling that wrestles large sized creatures and is effective at it? Theres a combination that can make all of these possible. And much more, i only scratched the surface.