Personally for riding to the shops and filling my panniers with food and going home 15.5MPH is fine for my purposes and at age 70 having not been on a bike or an E-bike for a long period of time, I feel speed is less of an encumberment and safety is my paramount need, especially climbing a very steep winding hill.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Yes. 15.5mph is enough for most. Stay safe my friend.

I've been riding higher power ebikes for about 7 years now and never had any issues with the law. Ride sensible, and as long as you're not going stupidly fast you'll be ok. Some of the Lycra clad guys can reach 40mph so I don't think the police worry much about bikes going 20-25mph... so long as you're (ghost) peddling! Just using the throttle may bring unwanted attention.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Hi Martin, Thanks for the comment. I agree, it unlikely you're going to have any issues if you're riding sensibly. Many want to comply with the law and this video is intended to help them

@contessa.adella

Жыл бұрын

That is a false sense of security…All it take is one zealous bored copper and you could lose your bike, get six points and a £5000 fine (each moped non compliance part is fined separately…no m/c crash helmet, no insurance, no registration, construction and use regs etc). We SHOULD be able to ride these legally, but can’t. It’s your risk, but make no mistake…it IS a risk.

Great video. I’ve been thinking of doing this too but I was looking for a waterproof switch so it could be used exposed to the elements. Just need to cut a very small hole in the battery cover.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Hi Don. Thanks for the feedback. Consider running the wire through the hole at the front of the frame with all the other wires to the controller etc. Another option I considered was running the wire backwards out the bottom of the seat post and then mount the switch inside the square section on the seat post.

a fantastic idea mate, and yeah i agree its more "with in the law" with the switch hidden behind the battery as you've done there as like you say you physically have to stop the bike and remove any power supply to change mode, so with how the law is worded it would appear your in it if you were stopped say by police a simple test of your max speed proves you are not breaking, glad to see your healing up nicely, id say teeth need to re-mortgage house for a filling these days lol

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for the feedback. It’s really appreciated. Not all the costs are in yet, but hopefully Ill know which is more expensive by the next video. It’s looking close at the moment!

Hi do you have a link to the components required to add the switch please. In layman’s terms?

Please could you add links to the products you bought to make this possible.............thanks

Link to the switch and connections please 🤔

Perfect solution for the uk roads as like you said its not accessable on the fly, this is a perfect mod for me to do on my Kommoda i just need to sort the controller out with cyrusher, I have 2 kommoda's 1 for my wife and they won't go last 22.5mph 😞 derestricted, the wifes is fine as she doesn't want hers to go fast so its limited to the 15.5 but not me lol, i like going off road and it feels so stable at high speed ( 37mph down hill ) gravity was my friend lol.

@Aslan-bj2tn

8 ай бұрын

as far as I know, changing a new controller may sort out the speed issue.

It is already legal to people who have a car license, your allowed an electric bike on the road up to 28mph, you just have to register the bike with DVLA, which then becomes a moped on de-restricted mode, but it has to be insured & taxed , but then you can't ride it on trails or offroad. They have you all ways

Possibly a useful point for some…. The law on full power throttles was introduced 1st jan 2016 and bikes older than that can have them. My Pedego beach cruiser has a label showing it was made in 2015 and has its throttle from new.

@jasontibbitts5231

Жыл бұрын

The law on throttles has a max on 3.5mph and is used just for setting off

@jonbeal9258

Жыл бұрын

@@jasontibbitts5231 yes, on 2016 and later bikes. Older bikes are ok to have them as original equipment. My Pedego has its original epac sticker showing it was made in 2015 ( and 2015 is also part of the frame number).

I have been running fat bikes for years because the Cyrusher didn't used to exist they look pretty cool and good to modify.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I’m thinking of putting another 750w motor on the front wheel. A fun project that’ll make the bike really quick.

@goingoutotheparty1

Жыл бұрын

@@Everything_E-Bike Do it man

Hi Joe, I love the content. Is this applicable to all Cyrusher bikes? I recently purchased the new Ovia model and was thinking of doing the same for off-road use.

I can't see a problem with that. I've just got my hands on a Cyrusher Ranger. Looks like a lot of fun

@YamiKiLL

6 ай бұрын

Też kupiłem ranger 750w ale nie wiem jak ustawić by jechał 45km/h jedzie max 25

To me, that seems to be within the spirit of the law to have a public and private driving mode, but having it accessible on the handlebar would make it too tempting / easy to switch on the go and quickly switch it back if pulled over.

A few weeks ago, I bought the Cyrusher Bandit and its been an absolute joy to have, I've wanted to install a thumb throttle onto it however due to mixed opinions from different sources including bike websites and even police themselves, I am left unsure about whether or not its legal to have a thumb throttle on the bike and I don't want to risk having the ebike seized, what do you know regarding the legality of restricted ebikes with throttles?

Doesn't sound like the UK is very environmentally Friendly towards ebikes.😢.?.. If you can't come close to traffic flow, why bother buying one? I can peddle a bike over 15mph.? Am I restricted?

Hi, great video, thanks! I'm on the cusp of ordering a Cyrusher and also fitting a switch, however a question for you please. The point of fitting a switch that is accessible whilst riding would be to discretely switch it off if the police were ahead stopping bikes. Would you know if the switch works dynamically? ie: will the bike's computer accept the mode change whilst running? or must the bike be powered-off or worse still, the battery disconnect before the switch is used to change the mode? ie: Does the bike's computer read the speed limiter once at boot-up and stay in that mode until powered down/up again? or can the mode be changed in-flight? I tried asking Cyrusher's pre-sales folks but they didn't know. You might have tried it before fixing the switch in place? I'm not into speed, I'm fine with peddling; but being a bit on the heavy side, some extra power might be nice to have at times.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

That’s a great question. I honestly don’t know the answer. I’ll test the idea and let you know. It may be a couple of weeks before I get to it though.

@geneva_vintage_bike

Жыл бұрын

can't wait for the answer too :)

@JulieFay-of5ev

Жыл бұрын

Did we get an answer to this?

Thanks. But would have been nice to see how you managed to attach the switch. It’s hard to tell how big it is and if it’s tucked away behind the top plate: I’m terrible at DIY so I need my hand holding :)))

Great video thanks and totally agree with your legality’s , can’t find the wire connectors you purchased, please advise. Pete.

its 15mph on/off road to be an ebike, if theres a way to enable off road mode then its not an ebike... . but... if your on private land thats gated then they cant touch you but if its unrestricted then your (legally) riding an unlicenced motorcycle off road, and thats ok, you wont require insurance unless public can wander on ie ramblers/dog walkers/pizzs guy, but it may then require msva.....

Great videos Joe, very interesting, thank you.

Please advise the part number for the wire connectors on the restriction wires. thanks

Can you point me in the right direction to do this on my cyrusher xf690 maxs? Color?

thats a good idea ,perfect, ill do the same,,but i dont know how you called those plugs? and what sizes to buy? many thanks

So how am i getting 850w going up hill with a restricted motor ??? From what i have observed it is only the speed which is restricted not the power

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

If your your bike is not working correctly then send it back!

@Old_Man_Pete

9 ай бұрын

The top speed is limited and not the motor, it's still a 750w with 1000w max

good film Joe. this whole legal restriction is stupid. a high powered car is legal if it sticks to the speed limit. the law needs to catch idiots not sensible bike riders with illegal bikes. but good fix... im going to do this as my riding is on and off road.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment Professor. I’m with you, the law does need to change. When you think about it there are real advantages to having more e-bikes on the road. Less traffic, less pollution, less parking, more affordable travel, the benefits are endless. However we live in a hilly country, for many, 250w just isn’t enough power to make e-bikes a practical transport solution! I glad you found my video helpful.

@matko000

Жыл бұрын

I think the point is that they are legal/not legal as e-bikes, there is ather clasifications that that bike falls under withouth the limit. In that clasification you are required to register the vehicle as a moped and adhear to the laws regarding operation of a moped. In country where I live (Slovenia EU), e-bikes with limit of 250W and 25km/h (15.5mph) and mopeds limited to 25km/h have to adhear to laws regarding cycling. As a cyclist I realy dont feel comfortable with heavier and faster vehicles on bike lanes, even mopeds are an issue, especially when they come down the wrong way. The issue there is not the limited speed (if it even is limited) the issue is the size and weight of the vehicle. A more poerfull vehicle is haevier and in an event of a crash can cause more damage. That is why as oposed to cars, bikes are not required insurance, because the damage a cyclist can do, is not that high that an average person could not cover it out of pocket withougth insurance.

Hi great vid, can you send a link for the plug/socket connections you used

UK law explained (March 2023 update) Mar 01, 2023Eilis Barrett Electric bikes are classified as ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’, or EAPCs so are perfectly legal to ride as long your ebike meets the DVLA's EAPC rules. The key ones to obey are: The pedals must be in motion for electric assistance to be provided A maximum power output of 250W No electric assistance over 15.5mph. Rules electric bikes don't need to meet That's what the bike has to do. Here's what you don't need: You don't need a licence, as with a non electric bike. There's no legal need to register, tax or insure the bike (although we recommend insuring ebikes). You don't need special permission as EAPC-compliant ebikes are classed as a normal pedal bike. They can be ridded on any private or public property where a standard bicycle is allowed - including cycle paths. Finally, you must be aged 14 or above to ride an electric bike. The age limit for mopeds is 16 but electric bikes are less powerful.

@gerry4585

Жыл бұрын

At last.....someone explaining the law....instead of making up nonsense!

My Super73 lets you switch modes via the app but i guess the Cyrusher doesn't have an app available ?. Good work around though.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

No there isn’t an app. That’s pretty cool

would it be possible to wire the switch to the lights so that is unrestricted when the lights are on but restricted when they are off?

Go to Thailland for the teeth replacement, I did and saved a small fortune.

Helpful video, have a sub!

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 😎

Any chance of a link to the connectors you ordered, please?

Dankeschön, kannst Du mir einen Link senden welche Steckverbindungen zur Verlängerung des Kabels eingebaut wurden? Um welchen Typ handelt es sich? Musstest Du zusätzlich am Display die Geschwindigkeit auf 99kmh stellen? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Frank aus Germany

Do you have a twist-throttle on your bike? Where can I get one?

there is a box to connect with a remote control to switch on off the speed limit, even better

I got my son a carrera e-bike from Halfords about 2 months ago, do you know is there anyway you can add a throttle to it so you don’t have to peddle 👀👍and I spoke to a couple of police around the town I live they said 99.9 % of the cops won’t stop people over the speed of the bike but if you are a teen then that % comes right down 😂

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, i’m not worried about being stopped. I think there would be an issue if you had an accident where someone else got hurt and you were riding an illegal bike. I don’t know on the halfords bike. I bet there is a way of derestricting it. I suspect an after market controller would do the job but couldn’t say for sure.

Do they really enforce such law? What is the punishment for breaking it?

The Government already has rules in place. If you modify an e-bike so it does not come under the EAPC rules, that is unrestricted, it is then classed as a moped or motorcycle and you require a driving licence, tax, and crash helmet. If you switch to unmodded mode even off-road it breaks the type approved law. Obviously, at some point, there will be a test case where someone is caught out by drone or Police evidence. But this is how the law stands at this moment in time: Other kinds of electric bike Any electric bike that does not meet the EAPC rules is classed as a motorcycle or moped and needs to be registered and taxed. You’ll need a driving licence to ride one and you must wear a crash helmet. Getting vehicle approval for your electric bike An electric bike must be type approved if either: it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC) it does not meet the EAPC rules This should have been done by the manufacturer or importer before you bought it. If it’s been type approved, it will have a plate showing its type approval number.

You will still have the sticker or plate on the bike that says it's a 750 watt motor. So they may get you there.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

No. Cyrusher have thought of that and it says 250w.

@garysimkins6663

Жыл бұрын

Cyrusher provide a sticker that says 250W which should be applied to the motor. That's good enough for me and as Martin wrote above, so long as one rides sensibly and pedals, one shouldn't draw too much attention to oneself. How effective applying a 250W sticker is, who knows. The Police can read all about Cyrusher as we can.

@gerry4585

Жыл бұрын

You think police are stupid?.....also the bike would be fully tested if an unfortunate accident should occur!!....

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

@@gerry4585 hey Gerry, Have you actually watched the video? The whole point is to ensure the bike is legal! If it were tested it would be legal. 🤷

@dezfitz62

11 ай бұрын

Just seen stickers for sale saying 250watts/ UKCA. !!

But you can peddle at 25mph..? Ridiculous laws!

Unfortunately it's still illegal due to it having a throttle.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Yes you’re right. has been raised and discussed in other comments. Cyrusher don’t ship the bike with the throttle fitted. I had it fitted so I could mess around with it and film more easily.

@mozzjones6943

Жыл бұрын

You can actually have a throttle fitted as long as it is restricted to 6kph, This is to assist people who have difficulty starting due to injury or disability. A handy part of the law I don't think many know about not even ebike shops.

@suem.1659

12 күн бұрын

I didn't know this either as im disabled due to my knees need replacing. Thank you for this information 😊​@mozzjones6943

ase add links to the products uesd?

Great video and I love the idea. Can you provide links to the things I would need to buy?

@michaelmay4239

Жыл бұрын

Also what grade wire is needed?

@goingoutotheparty1

Жыл бұрын

You don't even need a switch you can just twist the wire together

@goingoutotheparty1

Жыл бұрын

​@@michaelmay4239AWG18 to 24 or o.5mm to 1mm is sufficient as this is know as a 'Pull.down' circuit the current is minimal

What did you do with the twist throttle ?

@eggy1962

11 ай бұрын

It has a thumb throttle supplied but not fitted to comply

Cyrusher bikes are illegal in uk with the restricted 250W motor

💙👊😎

Hi, i removed the controller because it was pushing over the cable of the gears, but now i cant put again all that mess of cables and the controller itself inside that small space. How did u manage ? I wonder why they designed in that way damn!!

@Everything_E-Bike

Ай бұрын

Hi, yea, it’s a really tight fit. I panicked a bit the first time I took mine out. It took me a while to get it back in. If my memory serves me correctly, you can reach up inside the frame from the rear and pull the cables through as you push it the controller.

@boredesmo9506

Ай бұрын

@@Everything_E-Bike hi, thanks for the answer. Yes i did it at the end, and it wasnt easy. It's a pity, because the bike it's built fine, but this aspect should be solved in different way

The fact is with popularity greatly increasing & everybody modding e-bikes to outperform small cc motorbikes on public highways ...it is inevitable the law will step in at some point and legislate.

Is a throttle legal in this this country

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

No. it’s not.

The thumb throttle alone makes it illegal for use on uk roads.

@lizvickers7156

Жыл бұрын

You can have a thumb throttle in the UK but it's restricted to around 6 mph, so not necessarily illegal. I for one don't think the police would stop you if they saw you going fast as long as it's not stupidly fast. The only problem is if you have an accident where someone else is evolved and police are called. Then there might be a problem

Isn't this a bit pointless? The bike is illegal in the UK anyway as it has a throttle. Isn't it? And why have the switch? The police can't tell if the bike is restricted or if it isn't.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Hi Den, thanks for the comment. You’re right, the throttle isn’t legal. That’s something I’ve added to have a play with. It’ll need to be removed to make it legal (Cyrusher don’t ship the bike with this fitted). The police can’t tell and your very unlikely to have any issues with an unrestricted bike. However, rules is rules! If the worst did happen and you had an accident where someone else got hurt, I’m not sure how you would fair in court if you were found to be riding an illegal bike. It’s up to the individual. Pointless to you, but useful to others.

@box.10

Жыл бұрын

I think plot may ask you to demonstrate i'ts resticted?

Why not have the switch on the outside of the battery case?

@eggy1962

11 ай бұрын

Too easy for pc plod to spot

Just make it so fast the cops can't catch you haha. Weeeeeeeeee

You really need to remove the throttle, or at least disable it. To be classed as a peddle assist ebike. Not that I really care how you ride it. But my bike is road legal, and you need to peddle it.

Don’t think your legal with a throttle, so maybe speed wise, but definitely not legal with your throttle, not that I’m bothered as I have mine on as well.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you’re right. 👍🏻

Sadly no matter what mods you have made….That bike is STILL ILLEGAL because it has a 48 volt battery, the regulations stipulate a 36v maximum . Also, the Department of Transport has made it clear that tampering with inbuilt restrictions also render the machine illegal. The law is stupid and a legacy of an old EU directive, but there it is at the moment.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

I wasn’t aware of the battery voltage limit. That’s a new one on me. I’d argue you’re not actually tampering with it.

You never showed anything???

@Everything_E-Bike

5 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

It wouldn't be fast and legal in the same sentence, if you are using the bypass switch with peddle assist then I cant see how this is possible unless you are using a hand throttle then its illegal and you would need tax and insurance and registered, you say its ok on private land but you know that's just rhuse to do otherwise.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

You’re right on the throttle. I should have qualified that. Not sure what you’re on about with regard to private land… you can do whatever you want on your own land or land where you have permission from the land owner to use 🤷

Teeth

here is my view ALL CARS CAN DO OVER THE LIMIT IF THEY DO THEY GET DONE THAT SPEED LIMIT IS GOV CRAP all the best

Ça fait plaisir de voir que la législation est complètement conne des deux côtés de la Manche. Attention : je ne dis pas que limiter à 25km/h en ville soit une mauvaise chose, bien au contraire : c'est normal, ça évite les accidents graves et ça respecte les autres usagers, donc rien à redire là-dessus. Mais s'emmerder ensuite à rester à 25km/h sur chemin rural, là, c'est de la connerie. Donc si le législateur était un peu futé, il adopterait le principe de deux modes sur les vélos : un bridé pour la ville, et un autre pour les champs. Ensuite si vous utilisez le mode débridé en ville et que vous faites un accident, là vous êtes à 300% responsable par défaut, donc vous payez au prix fort votre connerie, ce qui est parfaitement normal... En tout cas sur le lankeleisi x3000 max, c'est déjà beaucoup plus "pensé" pour ce double usage : vous pouvez adapter la limitation directement sur le display. Donc vous laissez à 25 sur la route avec un moteur, et vous pouvez augmenter une fois sur sentier battu avec les deux. Ça prend 10s, pas besoin d'outil ou de bricolage comme ici, ça ne gêne personne, ça respecte l'esprit de la Loi - où est le problème ? Il n'y a que la poignée d'accélération qui n'est normalement pas autorisée. Mais là aussi, le législateur devrait autoriser son usage sur vélo électrique parce que c'est juste logique. C'est idiot de devoir forcer le pédalage au feu rouge, surtout pour des gens qui ont un certain âge, et qui font du vélo électrique pour garder un peu d'activité physique. Pouvoir avoir une poignée d'accélération pour aider au démarrage, c'est quand même un confort non négligeable qui évite de se casser les genoux, surtout sur des vélos de type fat bike qui ont quand même plus de 30kg. Bref, on a une fois encore des législateurs à la ramasse, autant en France qu'au R.U.. Et c'est dommage parce que ce genre de vélo inciterait beaucoup plus les gens à faire de l'exercice physique, ce qui est aussi bon pour les finances de santé...

I'm guessing the bike warranty is now void??.....also 'insurance?.....what insurance have you got?....is it part of your car insurance?....hate to hear you found out about your lack of road insurance while on the way to a police station ...or hospital.?....you tend to give to many"i thinks"...instead of hard facts!!!. I think you should get your facts correct before you advise some youngster to change the dynamics of his elec bike?.

@Everything_E-Bike

Жыл бұрын

Hi Gerry. Thanks for watching😬I hope you’ve subscribed😉 You’re entitled to your opinion, even if you have missed the whole point of the video.

No question: Fix the teeth....

Man such a nanny state, I don't know how you guys deal with such restriction on your liberties.

Law in uk is total bs