Hope never became the white Phoenix of the crown, she was just a white Phoenix. Only Jean was the white Phoenix of the crown. Even in this story, it was Jean as the Phoenix who gave Hope the Phoenix portion

@comics_explained

2 ай бұрын

See the problem is that in Grant Morrison's Here Comes Tomorrow, the comic you're referencing, it talks about Jean's pure connection with the Phoenix and the she's the one one who can attain that power, but in X-Men: Hope it's established that Hope can as well and is destined to. Everyone overlooks that for some reason. Not sure why.

@avelandra.

2 ай бұрын

I believe they told us this because the original intention at the time was for Hope to be the reincarnation of Jean, but for some reason, that plan was canceled. @@comics_explained

@comics_explained

2 ай бұрын

@@avelandra. I would believe that. AFAIK Hope was supposed to be jean reincarnated but they changed it. I’m not gonna swear to that.

@resulnaki

2 ай бұрын

@@comics_explained yes but she never did, Jean was in the white hot room as the wpotc watching AVX unfold, therefore Hope never became the wpotc. She was def supposed to be a Jean clone/reincarnation, but thankfully Jean Grey is back. No matter what new comics come by, Jean Grey as the Phoenix is the single most powerful being in Marvel omniverse after Toaa (assuming toaa is still the creator lol)

@lucerojunior6644

2 ай бұрын

Dude, literally the phoenix five, until harassed by the Avengers, were doing good things and in control, the Avengers literally made everything on their power to make them freak out and turn villains, and once the damage was done, it was all Cyclops fault. Cyclops is the hero of the story, the rest the villains, they could had helped him transfer slowly the entity to hope and train her, like they did in the end, but not, they had to push the entity possessed people to the brink of insanity, call it "Cyclops villain ark" is wrong, he was the hero of the story. The bad guys won by corrupt him forcibly in the end.@@comics_explained

Remember, Cyclops' beams are concussive. Wolverine got his skin and meat punched off.

@4boydad

2 ай бұрын

I thought that too, but maybe it was Phoenix fire?

@thicccorgi6187

2 ай бұрын

@@4boydad Both combined! Concussive Phoenix Fire!

@janbaer3241

2 ай бұрын

Gail Simone says they are fiery heat and not concussive.

@PorksG

2 ай бұрын

They are only concussive when he lowers his output

@2livenoob

2 ай бұрын

Kind dumb when you think about it. How can a concussive beam that strong ignore all thermodynamics? Even bullets are hot.

“I killed Charles Xavier!” “So?” “What do you mean?” “I’m pretty sure every character in a two mile radius of us has died at least twice.”

@Ishowpounds

2 ай бұрын

Did wolverine die? Thought he’s bones were strong

@walterlucero5757

2 ай бұрын

Apparently, he did. There was an event. Lame way to die, too. But then he got brought back with the ability to create heat in his claws and make them hot pokers.

@thisisabackupemail2264

2 ай бұрын

@@Ishowpounds The kicker with Wolverine is he does die often, he just doesn't stay dead. There was an event where he ends up being encased in adamantium and dying for real (for a while), but healing factors heal and can kind of resuscitate? I mean, Wolverine literally lived through being turned into a skeleton. I just think major healing factors include an innate CPR factor haha.

@JohnSmith-gz5pm

2 ай бұрын

@@thisisabackupemail2264 There was a story where Nick Fury had his head put in a vacuum and Wolverine went into suspended animation and he still came back to life when exposed to oxygen again. Nick Fury said that his power isn’t healing, his power is simply survival.

@jamIam6548

2 ай бұрын

​@@gezenewsorc lifes matter

Every other host of the Phoenix goes crazy and hurts a lot of people, "Dont worry it was the Pheonix". Cyclops does the same thing, "It was Him".

@DeadPhoenix9065

2 ай бұрын

If i remember right, he blamed the phoenix force soon after he was broken out of prison in the following arc as he, Emma and Magneto were on the run. Cyclops said something along the lines of the phoenix made him do it. But lore wise, the phoenix force amplifies what was already present. Including emotions, so... cyke had that resentment and hate building up for Xavier for how many arcs? 🤔

@andrewboyer7544

2 ай бұрын

It's probably because he was already a tool.

@nielsfrederiksen6636

2 ай бұрын

Not like Cap and Tony wasn't trying to warn them. Did they listen?

@invisiblefan2387

2 ай бұрын

Did he feel remorseful or sad when the Phoenix force was removed?

@corneillechahoua5253

2 ай бұрын

I swear everybody holds Scott accountable but everybody else gets a pass it’s hard being a cyclops fan😂😂😂

The number of mutants that are "One of the most powerful mutants/beings in the universe" has really gotten outta hand.

@user-ri2ro5tx7v

18 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

Things to keep in mind: - The Avengers broke up the Phoenix when the X-Men didn’t ask for it - Cyclops was told by Cable in the future that the Phoenix would bring back Mutants -The Phoenix Five was doing good things even Reed Richards admitted so -Cap showed up to Utopia with Wolverine and a helicopter full of Avengers -Xavier was mentally threatening to shut down Scott’s mind basically forcing his hand In the end….Scott was Right!

@asssassyn

2 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

​@@asssassynexactly

@RabidMetroid

2 ай бұрын

Every bad thing that happens in this story is the Avengers' fault. They've never stood up for the X-Men and mutants. They didn't listen to Cyclops at all. The whole "Hosting the Phoenix will drive you mad" thing was disproven by Rachel Summers, who WAS IN THE STORY. The Avengers shattered the Phoenix, then kept attacking when the X-Men were doing good things. They forced the fight. Had they trusted the X-Men, Hope would have still wound up with the Phoenix, with Cyclops watching over her. HE knows what it can do, and would have likely guided her through restoring mutants, then sending/sealing it away. Same ending, much less death and destruction. The Avengers are the villains here. Not the X-Men. Not Cyclops.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

@@RabidMetroid exactly

@Asgardians3t

2 ай бұрын

yep this sounds very similar to the jedi council and their blind twisted ways that never seem to achieve anything. and to top it all off most of the dark side users in star wars came from the Jedi side. so clearly Yoda and the "jedi way" was a complete and utter failure lol. seems like the avengers are following in the footsteps of the jedi lol

Cyclops will always be my favorite X-Man. I don’t like what they did with him after these events but to this day he will always the best

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

Oh c'mon that only made him more badass, they tried so hard to cancelled him but it just made him better 😂

@EmilianoAC1

Ай бұрын

@@theoutlawking9123 how is he a badass here? he's only powerful, but as a character he's insane and a complete loser, the complete opposite of the character most people like

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

@@EmilianoAC1 Insane? Are you fucking stupid or something, what TF brought you to that conclusion?!

@ZachofPotatoes732

Ай бұрын

Hopefully he gets done Justice in the x men movies this time instead of just getting cameos

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

@@EmilianoAC1 It's called character growth, he wasn't the pushover boring ass boyscout that people was accustom to. Plus he wasn't a villain, every fan with Half a damn brain saw that the Avengers were the real bad guys, everything that happened with the Phoenix force was their fault, especially Tony Stark.

Wolverine healing factor works on his costume as well 😅

@GhidorahFan64

2 ай бұрын

Yeah lol

@kuyt3400

2 ай бұрын

@@GhidorahFan64 He brings a spare to every battle

@pegeta

Ай бұрын

He is very talented

@ZachofPotatoes732

Ай бұрын

Captain America too I suppose

@vasheldiablo507

21 күн бұрын

The phoenix gave him new clothes. So powerful

I love how cyclops goes to jail but scarlet witch is free to do whatever and she killed more than he did

@censorthispuertorican

2 ай бұрын

😁 they really tried their best to make cyclops a villain. It must've irritated them so much to see people side with him even more.

@CapSoul77

2 ай бұрын

​@@censorthispuertoricanCycclops is now Donald Trump 😂

@kiknos

2 ай бұрын

​@BOSOMOFABRAHAM77 no. You mean Malcom X

@ZavaXavier

2 ай бұрын

​@@kiknos No Donald Trump.

@PhantomZone15

2 ай бұрын

​@@kiknosclown

Remember how the Avengers, specifically Wolverine tried to KILL Hope Summers??? But Scott is the asshole... lmao!

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

Cant understand the double standards scott was protecting his child his race mutants and he is the villain and Logan is hero who can kill anybody even children

@ryusuken973

Ай бұрын

The sheer hypocrisy of this particular arc is astounding...The avengers, Wolverine's, Xavier, Stark's....its a hypocrisy fest and the only one who got to be judged was cyclops...And if he didnt get to be so much more popular because of it,.they would have simply cast him as a villain and forget him. Even tried to kill him in Inhumans vs Xmen...

@martakavaliauskaite4566

Ай бұрын

@@ryusuken973 exactly

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

This is pretty much marvel's cup of tea, just look at the recent Punisher run. Frank got demon powers but only use them to punish the guilty, ONLY the Guilty. But once again the Avengers couldn't stand that someone was doing their job better than them so they went after Frank. And look who Cap had on that little team: Wolverine and Black Widow, one's a former KGB assassin that use to kill for Castro and the Russians, the other has lived for so long he's killed more people that the black plague. Yet both of them lectured Frank, marvel is just full of Fucking hypocrites.

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

​@@ryusuken973 Jokes on them because that whole arc just made me love him even more. I love Rebel/Revolutionary Cyclops, the best he's ever been!

I always felt that the Avengers came across as villains in X-Men runs

@MarcioLiao

2 ай бұрын

They were the "police" that shutdown minorities fighting for their right of existing. So yeah, they were villains.

@jamman9569

Ай бұрын

Then you really haven't done your research

@goticogordo

Ай бұрын

@@jamman9569 nah you are the one that never read that shit right, the avengers clearly only think about themselves

@strideytidey8665

Ай бұрын

@@jamman9569 I don't think it's unwarranted criticism of the Avengers. Captain America goes around representing and standing by the United States, while doing nothing to stop the rampant genocide of mutants by the US. During this Avengers vs X-Men run, yeah the Avengers were the bad guys. They show up to the mutant island apparently interested in peaceful negotiations, and yet they brought a helicarrier stocked with missiles and guns. Then they turn around and criticize Cyclops for "putting the childrens' lives in danger". The Avengers' attempts to stop the Phoenix Force from ever meeting with Hope (and possibly saving the mutant race) is the entire reason it was split up and given to people it shouldn't have gone to in the first place. Maybe the Avengers aren't outright villains to the X-Men, but they are at the most charitable willful bystanders in the constant anti-mutant terrorism and genocide, while also defending and upholding the institutions that inflict that terrorism and genocide in the first place. If I was a mutant, I would absolutely view the Avengers in a negative light.

@jamman9569

Ай бұрын

@goticogordo Nah you never read it to begin with. The Avengers think about the whole world, and prior to this, helped the Xmen numerous times in team ups.

Honestly Cyclops with the phoenix force is such a badass design, I sort of wish he kept it permanently.

@Maelodas

2 ай бұрын

He regained it again only to have his neck snapped by God Emperor Doom.

@SoloPlayer31

2 ай бұрын

Marvel have to sell toys lol

@BruceWayne-br3pn

2 ай бұрын

100% Both costumes were, when he was part of the 5, and as dark phoenix

You know what I'm loving... That Mr. Sinister's one vulnerability is Cyclop's optic blast. But when you remember that his optic blast is concussive energy from the Punch! Dimension... you realize that Mr. Sinister, like most researchers, is deathly vulnerable to getting punched 😅😅😅

Scott taking the Phoenix from Emma by choking her Emma: "H-harder..." Scott: "What?" Everyone: "Whoa!" Emma: "You have to fight against the Phoenix's influence harder, Scott."

@AgueroNain

2 ай бұрын

Naughty

@marcoantino2920

2 ай бұрын

Dragon Ball Z abridged? 😮

@n3u3rotica

2 ай бұрын

@rustyshield

2 ай бұрын

lol

@solidshot6600

2 ай бұрын

Ok gooner

So, what happens is Stark couldn't mind his business and made things worse.

@jamman9569

Ай бұрын

The Phoenix is everyone's business

@ryusuken973

Ай бұрын

It must piss you off something fierce, cyclops got so much more popular after this arc...he came out as not only being right for a lot of Comics readers, but a true hero for the mutant kind a its greatest leader.

@jamman9569

21 күн бұрын

​@ryusuken973 It annoys me when people are wrong yes.

It is actually Jean that enters Scott's mind from the White Hot Room (not Hope) and urges him to let go of Phoenix. Kieron Gillen - write of the AvX Cyclops one shot tie in - confirmed that in an interview. Jean sent Phoenix to Hope, so that Hope could restart the X gene. I suspect the upcoming Xmen Forever, will shed more light on this.

@resulnaki

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. Also, dumb fanboys took that "no more Phoenix" out of context, and that's why for years we have this Scarlet Witch vs Dark Phoenix comparison, which in reality, Dark Phoenix (any version) destroys Scarlet Witch instantly lol

@mrvocal21

2 ай бұрын

@@resulnaki There is not a version of Wanda that holds a candle to Dark Phoenix, let alone White Phoenix of the Crown.

@resulnaki

2 ай бұрын

@@mrvocal21 exactly. In fact, a full powered Jean Grey would beat Scarlet Witch as well.

@jasondavis2995

2 ай бұрын

​@@resulnakiI'm glad she's back.

@resulnaki

2 ай бұрын

@@jasondavis2995 we all are

Whenever anyone asks me, "What superpower would I want?" I always replay.... " to be better than everyone at everything, even in fiction or in reality." Basicly be Hope Summers.

@blackmage665

2 ай бұрын

mine will now be to be better than @Pestsoutwest could ever hope to be in fiction or reality" XD

@TheWerttyFiles

2 ай бұрын

You'd like your superpower to be super narcissism? Your fav comic book villian must be Doctor Doom 😂

@bonbonflippers4298

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheWerttyFilesrofl! Roasted

@Pestsoutwest

2 ай бұрын

I hope @@blackmage665 realizes that they will be a mediocre cook and lover if they makes that wish.

@stephenschneekloth1535

2 ай бұрын

To be fair, Doom is a lot of peoples favorite villain @@TheWerttyFiles

Love your content but you left out some key things. Xavier’s sins were numerous at this point. Sending that team of kids, including Scott’s brother against Moiras wishes and then wiping there existence from everyone’s mind, allowing Danger to be a slave, trying to force himself into Scott’s mind against his will, only to be forced out by Emma in X-men legacy. Also Reed Richard’s himself even called out the Avengers hypocrisy. The X-men had made the world objectively better for all as the Phoenix 5, despite them even being that way because of Iron man. The Avengers kept poking the bear then yes, eventually one by one they succumbed to darkness. However, and this is key. While everyone is fighting Scott and Emma, she begs Scott to just destroy everything with her and start from scratch. Seeing she’s lost her mind and under attack from both the X-men and the Avengers at this point. He takes her out and absorbs her power. It isn’t till after all of this, and feeling forced to kill Xavier, does he finally become the Dark Phoenix. Cyclops was right.

@ryusuken973

Ай бұрын

It doesnt matter...The narrative was made to push Cyclops into the character of a villain...even when he was freaking RIGHT about everything. The avengers hipocrisy, their stupidity and arrogance to say they were doing the right thing aboht something rhey NEVER FACED BEFORE AND KNEW VERY LITTLE ABOUT or had very biased informantion sources (aka ultra jealous and hypocrite Wolverine...) made THEM the villains. But the avengers could no wrong! Their MOVIES were making big bucks and their, nearly unknow until said movies, characters were at all time high in popularity...while the xmen were in a severe decline...then you add that Disney and Marvel wanted to KILL the characters to screw Fox over....its pretty obvious the reasons for the sheer BS of the whole arc. Push forwards the avengers,.screw over the xmen....And when it FAILED? They tried again with the cheap mutants made by space gas from the moon....Just to fail again...

Always been a huge cyclops fan and this storyline was epic!

@Xainfinen

2 ай бұрын

Same! He's probably my favorite Marvel character, I just hated how they treated him after that, both in-universe and out. People were such hypocrites, as if nobody was ever mind controlled or got their mind twisted to kill people in Marvel. Also, they all conveniently forgot what the Dark Phoenix was.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

​@@Xainfinenexactly

Scottie destroying everyone like that was the greatest moment of my life 🥲

I remember reading this and thinking that if Cap and the Avengers had just let the mutants do what they wanted to do, which was let Hope have the power, then all of this would have been avoided

@ClockworkGearhead

23 күн бұрын

They even tried to kill her.

Basically, Phoenix Force is an acid trip and unless you are clear of mind, you're not gunna have a good time.

Stop playing with my man. Cyclops the GOAT of X-men

@od4407

Ай бұрын

Uhhhh yea with the Phoenix Force…that’s kind of the point. The Phoenix Force in any of these people would get goated

@JIMROSE-yd4mh

Ай бұрын

That was borrowed power

@BlackMarvel25

Ай бұрын

I know. I read the book. He's still the GOAT of Xmen.

@od4407

Ай бұрын

@@BlackMarvel25 Yea but nothing on Magneto

@KWillo

11 күн бұрын

​@@od4407 yep.Granted, I always liked Magneto.I also felt that Charles Xavier was holding Cyclops back for awhile now.

Cyclops should have never been sorry for killing Charles Xavier, that bald asshole has done too many shady stuff to people for anyone to feel sorry about his death. And Cyclops was a child soldier made by Xavier, what do you expect. I still think Wolverine was a traitor to the x-men in this series, he just wanted to kiss the boots of the great Captain America.

@semaj06

2 ай бұрын

Logan tried to kill Hope lmao!

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

​@@semaj06exactly if they make scott character dark and grey Logansport character is even moore extreme

Rob talks about any mutant character. "Now for those of you guys who don't know, this is ONE OF THEE MOST powerful mutants in the history of marvel comics." Me... "He says that about every mutant character and I love it." Hey Rob can we get a count down of your most powerful mutant list.

we should stop this narrative that cyclops was a villain. He wasn’t a villain. He was a leader that felt slighted by everybody because everybody eventually did turn against him. It wasn’t because he went crazy. He just got tired of everybody, saying one thing and doing another.Scarlet Witch tried to wipe mutants out of existence and yet, she was never held accountable for that Scott as a leader did everything that he possibly could in order to protect mutantkind even to the point of him becoming a villain. it’s like telling Martin Luther King that he was wrong for his pursuit of trying to protect Black people and then everybody telling him that he hast to die in order to protect Black people. It’s no different when they did have the Phoenix force most of them did right, except for Namor.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

Well said but to me Cyke is more like Malcolm X: "By Any Means Necessary," and I love that!

@ClockworkGearhead

23 күн бұрын

@@theoutlawking9123 He didn't even start that way. He really was peaceful at the start, and didn't even want the power to begin with.

@theoutlawking9123

22 күн бұрын

@@ClockworkGearhead Oh I know, he wasn't trying to get the power, it was Tony trying to play God that split the damn thing into five parts and Cyke got one of them. And even after he got it he did nothing but good with it, saving the world, ffs, he and his team literally ended world hunger, but the Avengers just couldn't stand that the X-Men were doing their jobs better than them and kept pushing, well the Phoenix doesn't like to be pushed, that what's turned Scott "Ugly," and Xavier fucking deserve it for threatening to Lobotimize him.

@ClockworkGearhead

22 күн бұрын

@@theoutlawking9123 Yeah, I really _really_ don't get it. Worse thing is that the Avengers and Xavier both knew Cyclops had a better plan from the get-go with Hope and _tried to kill her._ Even Wolverine was on board with killing her. I really do not get how anyone can't look at this and think how any of them weren't corrupt or egotistical af. By the point Cyclops goes mad, they deserved a Dark Phoenix. I'm not even joking saying that. He was basically at Punisher level by then, and they were acting criminal.

I once saw him kill 3 men in a bar with a pencil ✏️……..with a freaking pencil ✏️

Cyclops needs to be in more video ganes and movies. Cyclops is one of my favorite X-Men. I really like his design, his hair, he looks cool (I like the X-Men costume that exposed his hair). And he's more powerful than what people give him credit for.

This is one of the most tone deaf stories ever written. Cyclops was in the right until the very end - and the writers insisted that the Avengers were the good guys in this story. THIS is the story that made me hate Wolverine as a character. He was a traitor to his family and his kind.

@The-Endo-SymArmor

Ай бұрын

You're delusional

Cyclops: "I killed Xavier!!!" Everyone Else: *Starts clapping*

Anyone else getting Nightwing vibes from Cyclops’s phoenix costume?

CYCLOPS: I was made the villain by the troubles you've caused to all mutantkind. SCARLET WITCH: And I am still a pardoned Avenger who defeated you. CYCLOPS: I may have lost the war but in the end, mutantkind flourished again.

Seems like with every x-men story Charles descends further into darkness. Every time they reveal more about him it seems like he was the bad guy, or at least “through any means necessary” guy.

@mahkiallen5738

Ай бұрын

Onhhh

Scarlet Witch was the cause of all this crap! She was the one who wiped out the mutant population! Why the hell was she even allowed to be part of this fight, yet alone a part of the Avengers?!!!

This was when i went on a comicbook hiatus. Not cause it was bad but i wanted to leave knowing Cyclops was the top dawg!!

Hearing _"The White Phoenix of the Crown"_ reminded me of the lyrics from *Leslie Hudson's* song _"Feel It All"_ about Jean Grey from her comic book themed album _The Redhead League._

I used to hate cyclops and like wolverine but it's kinda been going the other way around over time for me

@minty8429

2 ай бұрын

Same. As a kid, Wolverine was my fav but for some reason over time I start to like Cyclops more. I still think Gambit and Iceman are badass though.

@josephsmiley1

2 ай бұрын

Because once you realize how one note Wolverine is he gets boring VERY fast. Scott has layers upon layers even down to his mutant gift and the trauma he has from it.

@Healthy_Toki

2 ай бұрын

They're both cool but Wolverine got overused and Cyclops got underused because of their relative popularity.

@MrFox64057

2 ай бұрын

@@Healthy_Toki I was pretty one dimensional and only like wolverine back in the day but in all fairness his writing did get worse over time

@jamman9569

Ай бұрын

@@josephsmiley1 Wolverine hands down has more layers than Scott Summers. What are you talking about?

Cyclops was never the villain. Cyclops was right.

@pmaestro

Ай бұрын

naw, Cyclops had turned his back on everyone, he bought into the same rhetoric Magneto had been espousing since his moustache-twirling days in the 60s.

@RemmyCromwell

Ай бұрын

@@pmaestro when was that? Was it after his closest allies (Avengers) invaded the island of Utopia or was it before another human led attack on the remaining 198 mutants?

@The-Endo-SymArmor

Ай бұрын

​@@RemmyCromwellwho's your favorite dictator Injustice Superman Or Cyclops

@jonathanmora8208

Ай бұрын

Cyclops saved his people he is the un song mutant hero

@RemmyCromwell

Ай бұрын

@@The-Endo-SymArmor the dude who killed the least amount of people

Great video. Perfect Comics Explained right here.

"Xavier was responsible for whatever is the best in me. As for the rest, I take full responsibility" Sighs. It's lines like these that make you remember (if you ever forgot) of one's love for comics.

I bought this comic a few weeks ago based off the praise you gave it in one of your other videos. I'm glad I did too, because this comic is amazing!

The annoying thing about this is that Cyclops and Emma never did anything bad with the Phoenix Force, the only reason they go crazy is because they're constantly being antagonized by the Avengers.

@ryanbradley9383

2 ай бұрын

This!!!

@semaj06

2 ай бұрын

Yup. Yet the writers made everyone hate them and it makes no sense to this day.

@martakavaliauskaite4566

2 ай бұрын

​@@ryanbradley9383exactly

@theoutlawking9123

Ай бұрын

Just Marvel's shit writing.

@crisiskrow

Ай бұрын

Yeah that annoyed my soul. Cause when hope gets the phoenix they’re like oh wait and she essentially fixes the things cyclops was already doing before they poked the bear

3:12 Best metaphor ever. Explained the difference perfectly.

Bro please keep making videos about Cyclops, he is my favorite character from he X-Men, these videos are super entertaining to me.

When Age of apocalypse came out, it showed the importance of Charles Xavier. The whole message of that run was that Xavier was not just a good man, he was the embodiment of something good that avoided the world to become a terrible place where only the strong would survive. Years later, the writers started deconstructing, demolishing this idea. First Onslaught, then Cassandra Nova, then this whole mess about the first secret x men team who got wiped out from both the world and everyone's memories, the Illuminati thing, etc, they increasingly made Xavier an unreliable and duplicitous man. Now in the krakoa run he basically admitted that Magneto was right all along. They really did Xavier dirty.

@ClockworkGearhead

23 күн бұрын

They did all the characters dirty in this comic. Captain America would not have tried to even attack in the first place, and he would have told Wolverine to kick rocks.

@Kira22558

17 күн бұрын

​@@ClockworkGearheadyeah.

@haroldcruz8550

4 күн бұрын

Xavier have always been duplicitous, you seem to forget that he made teens and children that turned to him for help and guidance to his personal child soldiers.

@aureumsilentium6518

4 күн бұрын

@@haroldcruz8550 you are right in pointing out that training teenagers to be a paramilitary force with political ideas isn't something that someone sane in his mind would do. All adults with common sense would think that way. However, that's a comic to entertain teenagers, so you can push the laws of realism into the superhero genre only to a certain degree. Actually,a man jumping from roofs in a bat suit being a vigilante with the help of a masked minor would be deemed crazy and outlaw in itself. Same for Bucky and Captain America... Bucky wasn't adult when he was fighting as a soldier. But that's superhero comics logic. The point in this case is another thing though, that is: assuming -based on comics logic- that Xavier was a good guy because of a dream that was needed to avoid the worsening of the world, the writers in the end made him spiral down morally through the years. And now the first Xavier isn't the Xavier we got today.

I cant be the only one to read Xavier's speech bubbles in anything but Sir Patrick Stewart's voice.

This is one of my favorite comic events. Avengers vs. X-Men is AWESOME

I remember when this story came out. Thanks for bringing me back.

I never bought into the x-men being the villains, especially cyclops. This story ruined messiah complex, messiah war and second coming. Cyclops was right.

Cyclops was right

@Maestrosendgame

2 ай бұрын

Nah

@Esodum

2 ай бұрын

Not in this here instance, no. But in general? Yes

@yoyomayne

2 ай бұрын

Nope

@tyroned114

2 ай бұрын

It's more like Xavier's way wasn't realistic. Why did they have to alter the House of M reality again? The world was at peace with mutants and vise versa.

@g-rantfederal

2 ай бұрын

😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

Damn, I used to watch this channel years ago. Good to know that homie is still doing his thing.

Great summary of events, thank you!

Great analogy with the pencil. Anyone that hasn't read that long should completely get it

This is the type of upgrade Cyclops has always needed. He needs to transition to from Alpha to Omega status so he can emulate the same tier of power he's doing here

This has got to be one of the deepest stories I've never heard! Ugh, I wish I had the time to read all these comics, but thank you Rob for summarizing the best of the best for guys like me. I know I will definitely go out and buy this comic.

I always wondered why such a hugely powerful entity such as the Phoenix puts so much effort into these silly little insects on one planet in the entirety of the Universe.

@earlsmith7428

2 ай бұрын

Good question.

@llad.7181

Ай бұрын

Curiosity and interest in human emotion

@alarto4z

Ай бұрын

it loves the drama(intense human emotions)

@ClockworkGearhead

23 күн бұрын

It doesn't. It just seems that way because its multiversal. To _their perspective_ it seems like the Phoenix is focusing on them. To the Phoenix, it's just waving a finger.

I dispised everybody against Scott in this story. It comes down to Scott having the most logical position and everyone else saying "Nuh Uh." Scott refused to kill anyone up until Xavier(He could killed plenty at Iron fist's temple). Scarlet Witch is the source of the problem but she only gets screamed at once. Hope summers can go burn. I'm not saying Scott couldn't be wrong, but no arguement made against him was strong enough to top his but the story desperately sided against him.

@Kira22558

17 күн бұрын

"Who need argument when you can punch someone at face?"-hulk.

Great video man.👍👍👍

Amazing video keep them coming

I've always liked cyclops except on the big screen. They screwed him also in MCOC

Cyclops made the Professor ... "Toasty!"

Always love hearing the sound of his Concussion beam 💯‼️☠️👂

Its interesting that of the dark phoenix form Cyclops got and how different it is compared to the white phoenix , also that panel of Cap defending Xavier by blocking Cyclops blast is beautiful

CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT!!!

Cyclops did nothing wrong

They checking all day to see if you uploaded finally

More cyclops videos ❤

:56" Namor who uses his power to destroy wakanda" He gets the power of the phoenix and immediately becomes racist. "If I can't say the N word then no one shall." Is my favorite Namor quote.

I dont care if he was a villian wolverine showed his ass when he took the avengers side againts the x men

My favorite X-Men and Scott Summers story is "From the Ashes," where Madelyne Pryor is first introduced. Claremont's writing is outstanding. Scott has never been more heroic and vulnerable. When everyone else has fallen under Mastermind's illusions, Scott comes to his senses and figures out the game Mastermind is planning. By himself, he figures out what to do. Formulate a plan, fight off the deceived X-Men, and get Rogue to Professor X. He even saves the day and has a happy ending with Madelyne. That WAS the SCOTT SUMMERS I miss. Why do all the comic book writers have to be deconstructionists these days. It's sad. After Scott left Maddie, he seemed to be more reactive than decisive, and Wolverine was rapidly taking over as the most popular X-Men.

Just discovered the channel, love it already. Subscribed. One request: is there any way you can add the artist when you show the panels? Oliver Coipel’s art carried this video. Chris Bachalo and David Finch also with some dope panels.

Reading this back in the day blew my mind

Awesome, Cyclops is a very interesting member of the X-Men.

One of my favorite versions of Cyclops

Thank you and I will be referencing this video every time someone tries to bring up the no more Phoenix situation in the Wanda vs Jean debate let's not forget hope was 100% involved

It's true. The X-Men helped the planet, and the Avengers made an enemy of them.

Revolutionary Cyclops is the best

I’d never thought I’d see the day where this channel post a positive video on cyclops.

Hulk was launched to my hometown and I find that so freaking hilarious

@justsloth9765

Ай бұрын

Like really, Sacramento of all places?

Slim always been the main man.

This is gaslighting cyclops was not a villain and was right. The avengers came to cyclops home to take one of his people. Cyclops with the power of the Phoenix was helping the world before the avengers attacked then took hope. Cyclops defending himself and his people. The avengers bootlicking is ridiculous.

Interesting perspective, got me thinking!

I Literally Just Read All The Issues In This Arc. Cyclops Is My Favorite Marvel Character!!

Hello Bro Big fan all way the way from Nigeria 😄

@patman_for_sure

Ай бұрын

same same

Cyclops looking like new 52 nightwing

You gotta cover Cyclops's villain run!

"that's what happened in Secret Wars, it was pretty dope" - YUP

Multiple things can be true and in reason. Cyclops had vision

What about how Marvel was trying to put a stink on the X-men because Fox wouldn’t give up the rights.

@ryusuken973

Ай бұрын

The bias of the guy that made the video is quite clear. There were quite obvious nuances to the whole arc and nothing was black/white but a lot of shades of grey. He happily forgets the hypocrisy of certain characters and their screw ups, but keep pushing his narrative that cyclops was going crazy by power and doingbad things when REED FUCKING RICHARDS SAID HIMSELF that the Phoenix 5 were doing GOOD THINGS FOR THE WHOLE OF HUMANITY AND NOT JUST MUTANKIND untill they were pushed into insanity and lost control of the Phoenix...something that was DONE ON THEM BY THE AVENGERS INTERFERENCE...its a pity, unbiased view on the whole history would show both parts had reasons for concern and were right, that working togheter would've been better, but under the people whon had experience in dealing with thr Phoenix...and those people WERENT the avengers...who didnt given a fuck about the mutants unless one of their mutants members screwed up...its a hipocrisy fest anyway you see it.

That pencil analogy was peak. 👏🏿

Cyclops was never the bad guy or a villain, if you read the comics after the schism he put a team to stop the most powerfull treats to the planet (extinction team) and do a great job preparing Hope for the arrival of new mutants. The Avengers broke the Phoenix Force because they thought it was a menace for the planet, but they never speak with the mutants about it, they just attack Utopia and never care for the mutant race

@The-Endo-SymArmor

Ай бұрын

Sounds like Injustice Superman before he went crazy Remember?

@ClockworkGearhead

23 күн бұрын

The same people clapping for "Iron Skull" also derided him for Civil War. They straight up lost any cohesion in their morality.

Cyclops was right about everything except killing Xavier, the Avengers shouldn't have interfered to begin with.

Should definitely re-cover Peter versus Piotr and Illyana now 😮‍💨

5:04 Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

This comment section is the reason why THE BOYS is believable. lol

The writers wanted to make Cyclops a villain, but they didnt even do it right. When everything settled down. Cyclops was proven right. And no, he never became a villain. Everyone treated him like the old Magneto, but if you read the comics post AvX, Cyclops never did anything villain like.

Hi are there any vids online about the way you edit and create your videos also how long does it take you to edit and make your videos if you don’t mind me asking I really wanna start making vids myself😭😭😭

I saw some discussions on Cyclops on twitter recently about him being radicalized and more badass than he gets credit for. I was wondering if you could cover that a bit. I want to go read some past comics about this stuff but not sure where to start.

This is the chad the MCU deserves right now.

Thor being took out the fight so easily is laugable. He fought the Phoenix at full power and nearly knocked it out cold.

@bmars250

2 ай бұрын

That's just bad writing. Regardless of how powerful Thor is he's no match for the Phoenix

@cedbar738

2 ай бұрын

@@bmars250 he has been stated on a different comic that he is one of the few beings in the universe that could delete the Phoenix. I think this was stated by the Watcher.

@bmars250

2 ай бұрын

@@cedbar738 like I said it’s bad writing. There’s no consistency in comics these days. How does Thor even defeat the phoenix? I can understand him defeating a phoenix host but even that would not be easy for him and would also depend on the host. You face him off against the full power of the phoenix itself and it won’t even be a fight if the comics are true to their own power hierarchy

@cedbar738

2 ай бұрын

​@@bmars250although I agree with you, it's hard to dismiss what was written. Marvel has some awful continuity going on or lack thereof.

@TheDeadlyBlueWolf

2 ай бұрын

@@bmars250 Nope. As Stan lee once said powerscaling doesn't matter. If he wanted the Spiderman to whoop Hulk's ass, he'd write it. Go watch the view. He doesn't give a shit unlike how these powerscalers froth at the mouth over who can beat who's ass.