As a hardcore Cyclops fan (hence my profile pic), I find a lot of other hardcore Cyclops fans to be annoying. They act like Cyclops is some perfect paragon who can do no wrong, when in actually, Cyclops' failures and questionable actions are huge aspects of what makes his character interesting

@CatotheE

2 ай бұрын

Do no wrong? No.was he more right during AvX? Yes.

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

Oh definitely. I loved him in New X men having his existential crisis about his stoic nature and coming to terms with the merging with Apocalypse. The idea of him and Jean clutching onto each other in desperation in the old days and wondering what they now were? It’s so much more interesting than just “he was a boy, she was a girl”. It’s like with Jean. I love the idea of her as the Sanctimonious bully that, with the Bendis era Teen Jean, tries to avoid her worst behaviours.

@jaimemarquez2597

2 ай бұрын

As a Vegeta maga fan, I understand what you mean 😂😂😂

@lordpimpington6405

2 ай бұрын

Not a cyclops fan boy, but he has always been one of my favorite characters because of his fall from being the paragon you think of from "God Loves Man Kills" to the decimation of the avengers and xmen and then back to an antihero type

@pt5728

2 ай бұрын

@@jaimemarquez2597i don’t think vegeta fans think he cant do any wrong

It was hilarious that in one of the runs everyone was shitting nonstop on Cyclops' horrible crime after he diedm making him out to be history's greatest monster... And then it turned out his horrible crime was changing the terrigen mists so that they did not murder mutants anymore.

@Alacaelum

Ай бұрын

Yeah... I do like the Inhumans... but the terrigen mist was a fucked up thing. More so when it was for all intents and purposes... a russian roulette, even those with the Inhuman potential at least half of them got out of it dead(the lucky ones) or horrifically deformed, even those that were "successful" had to pray that their power didn't demand extreme discipline of them. By letting the mist be, Medusa and Black Bolt technically did a chemical attack on the world, and when the people who were most suffering for it did something... they got pissy and played victim.

@Reverse_Hood

Ай бұрын

Got compared to Hitler for being against poison gas

@Verebazs

Ай бұрын

Pretty sure, that was because Ike Perlmutter was trying to kill the X-Men at the time, just because he didn't want comics advertising Fox's movies. At least that was the rumour circulating the net back then.

@courve

29 күн бұрын

@@Verebazs I wouldn't call that a rumor. It was clear they didn't want any property they didn't have full control over being popular. Couldn't call Wanda and Pietro mutants, they were no longer Magneto's kids. Couldn't say mutant at all, and the inhumans were their replacement. Hell, even marvel vs Capcom 3 couldn't include the most popular fan-favorite characters, and they mainly had to be characters that had movies or story lines in the MCU at the time. The game even made Spider-man unplayable with every move being a dragon punch motion which is difficult, while Taskmaster had the same moves that were stronger and had very easy inputs. Its the little things that add up.

@mikeokeeffe7608

28 күн бұрын

@@courvewait which characters are you referring to? You might be thinking of MVCi cause their was a big controversy of them not adding any of the X-men to the roster. Also, the reason it was so controversial was because the x-men are extremely important to the series. The first game was just an X-men fighting game and the first actual crossover was X-men vs street fighter.

Cyclops has always been best as the combination of professor x’s and magneto’s philosophies

@rustyshackleford2950

Ай бұрын

That's my favorite take on him, too.

@geraldbouvy1222

Ай бұрын

So, a centrist. Like a agnostic drinking doctor pepper "we have no way of knowing, so we don't take a side. We don't drink coke OR sprite!"

@CC-1138_DS

Ай бұрын

@@geraldbouvy1222exactly. That’s why he is always at odds with Wolverine. That guy is drinking way too much Pabst Blue Ribbon

@stevee.asherhouseofasherpo8367

Ай бұрын

Agreed

@afivey

Ай бұрын

@@geraldbouvy1222 Willfully missing OP's point to bring real world political reductionism into pop culture. Get that brainworm shit out of here.

This is some of the craziest spin I’ve ever heard. He never wanted to “Eradicate” people who disagreed with the mutant cause with the Phoenix. He used the Phoenix to undo Scarlet Witch’s “No More Mutants” spell.

@siritalis4956

2 ай бұрын

No he didn't. Scarlet Witch and Hope with some Iron Fist powers did.

@Aureilius2112

2 ай бұрын

@@siritalis4956 Yes, but from the beginning Cyclops wanted Hope to have the Phoenix because one way or another it was going to restore mutant kind. It was Iron man’s interference that caused Cyclops to have the Phoenix. Cyclops never intended to have it.

@hummingbirdcity

2 ай бұрын

@@Aureilius2112But, once he did have it...

@herzfeldji

2 ай бұрын

​@@hummingbirdcityThe Phoenix took control like it usually does.

@Aureilius2112

2 ай бұрын

@@hummingbirdcity Once he did have it he ended genocides in Africa, gave free energy to the globe, and established water sources in desolate places. He didn’t go Dark Phoenix until like the 5th time the Avengers attacked him.

That conversation between Cable and Cyclops where Cable acknowledges Scott as his father, and tells Scott that he should stop before he would be killed both physically and in the eyes of the public was amazing. It sticks with me. One of the few conversations they had, and the only one I can remember where Cable acknowledges Scott as his father. A beautiful analog for Magneto and his children.

@thatonehoots

15 күн бұрын

Damn I've been missing out!

Cyclops is a great leader, great villain, but he’s even better at being a soldier! He’s no slouch, he will kill, but he also reasons.

Cyclops be having too many secret family members

@mikenedd1

Ай бұрын

They write cyclops how you would think they would write stereotypical black man in a comic book 😂

@TGKArc

Ай бұрын

Can confirm. I am Cyclops' other secret brother.

@RealCoolGuy

Ай бұрын

I've been saying this since I was 10 years old

@To.me.my.X-Men.97

Ай бұрын

​​@@TGKArcI am Electro and too im his brother, brother 😊

@404-Dante

Ай бұрын

​@@mikenedd1 WOW, This is something I never realized, you opened my eyes man...

He was a revolutionary not a villain. Man said child soldiers but he was teaching them to defend themselves if they get attacked. Cyclops did what he thought was right to protect his people and he didnt sugar coat anything. Cyclops was right!

@ViktorEBoss

2 ай бұрын

Hells yeah 💯

@lindsaywheatcroft8247

2 ай бұрын

In fairness he was basically reading Wolverine’s lines at that point. If my grasp on the timeline is right he’d already been friends with Magneto for a while, and Magneto had been asked by the X-men’s PR if he’d consider dropping the red outfit as it could be seen as revolutionary and he’d told them to get lost. The whole period was really a load of ‘revolution is necessary in the circumstance’ vs ‘yes but are these means appropriate’ stories

@primary2630

Ай бұрын

I mean, they're still child soldiers, Wolverine was in the right saying they should be moved away. First ones to die in a battle would be the weak, untrained children.

@IcarusFallz

Ай бұрын

So basically Shane from TWD

@icecreamchief5417

Ай бұрын

On one hand, sure, but on the other hand, if you have child soldiers fighting, that's risking your entire future, cause if they die, who knows if you could replenish your numbers and you could go extinct. There's also the fact that, unless you do complete _GENOCIDE_ of the human race, those children will, not maybe, _will_ hate humans and we'll go right back to where we started regardless of whether the roles are swapped. A revolution without a an end is just endless violence.

Not sure i agree with some of your takes but love the video! He was only really defined as a “villain” in the framework of marvel comics we were meant to view him as such but it kinda backfired around this time and readers rallied around him Related regarding Schism I always thought the event made little to no sense with Logan as the opposing side and it should have been Storm. The argument itself was so odd when you realize X-Men were trained since they were teens to begin with

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

Especially with the Decimation, Civil War and World War Hulk happening around that time. Frankly, the moment I grew to dislike him was a mix of Namor destroying Wakanda and Scott knocking Emma out. What can I say? Emma’s great.

@christopherhart4058

2 ай бұрын

Yes I would say during AvX (which I consider to be just poor character writing across the board) is where you could argue the most that he was acting villainous even then he was going off what Cable told him/had his hand forced by the Avengers. Besides that I wouldn’t consider any actions pre or post villainous more just morally grey out of desperation…unrelated agreed Emma is great always 😂

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherhart4058 Frankly, AvX and IvX were bad. They were little more than using a team that they didn’t have the film rights for to prop up the lesser team. I will say, proud of Beast for continuing the Original 5 tradition of doing heinous things when opposing what they believe to be an extreme leader. I wasn’t a fan of the first run of X factor because of all of guys’ secret keeping, Scott being awful and Warren trying to get with Jean when Candy Southern, a Saint, was his girlfriend and running his company for him.

@christopherhart4058

2 ай бұрын

Yup completely agree with all of this. Marvel “vs” events are particular bad but I should go back and read the original X-Factor run now that you brought it up I’ve only ever read the Peter David runs. I do want to add I’d like a video to examine Beast around this time you could almost argue his actions were almost worse at points

@Niall001

2 ай бұрын

​@christopherbennett5858 Remember, Cyclops didn't choose to become the Phoenix. None of the Phoenix 5 did. It was the Avengers who, in an attempt to stop Hope from getting the Phoenix, inflicted the Phoenix on the 5. Oh and how did the Avengers defeat the Phoenix? By doing a 180 and giving it to Hope. Which was what Cyclops wanted to do in the first place.

Hard disagree on this take, man made mistakes no doubt but saying he was a villain? comparing him to Vader? I think it really undervalues how much the 616 world was just absolutely attacking the mutants while the rest of the supers did practically nothing

Didnt like Cyclops as a kid, but as I get older i appreciate him more. Hes my 3rd fave Xman

@TheShockVox

Ай бұрын

Ditto, ditto, and ditto

@homegrownhiphop

Ай бұрын

I didn’t like him as a kid too. I thought he was boring. I definitely appreciate him and like him now.

Obligatory Cyclops was right. Captain America was the villain of AvX.

@kimeraevent

2 ай бұрын

Cap was, but more so Wolverine who was egging the Avengers on and telling them half the information because of his bias against both The Phoenix and Cyclops.

@justinguardner3129

2 ай бұрын

Cap was the villain in AvX

@begcoins

2 ай бұрын

😂 You might be right

@ShadowProject01

2 ай бұрын

Nah Capt was in the wrong in this one I agree.

@CatotheE

2 ай бұрын

@@ShadowProject01 I still like Cap though. I’ve always been more of an Avengers guy, so it’s not something I’m happy about.😅

This era of Cyclops was FUCKIN WILD and I loved it!

@Meeko82

Ай бұрын

It was always there, you just noticed now.

Cyclops didnt fall down.. he simply focused himself to the task as the commander he was raised to be. X Force was amazing. If someone proved this child was the only hope of your race what would you do? Also i loved his dialog with Cap.

Na Scott was right. This man has saved the Mutant race from extention several times, but for some reason, everyone hates him. I'm riding with Cyclops.

Cyclops deserves "Big three" status in the next iteration of the MCU. He can fill Cap's role as the tactician.

@thatonkgau5221

Ай бұрын

I think the official "Big three" of the X men should be Cyclops, Storm and jean Grey and when Jean dies the new big three would be Cyclops, Storm and wolverine.

@dawb86

Ай бұрын

@@thatonkgau5221 I'd say it should be Cyclops and Storm as the leaders of the team and Jean mainly as the emotional/mental anchor then when she passes that aspect splits and it becomes almost a "big four" between the two as well as Rogue and Wolverine. The MCU Wolverine obviously shouldn't be the major focus he was with FOX at all, his storyline already has the potential of becoming redundant.

@thatonkgau5221

Ай бұрын

@@dawb86 Hell Yeah, that's kinda what I was going for. Storm, Cyclops and Jean are the original big three of the X Men. Cyclops and Storm are the leaders and jean is the emotional anchor, the mother figure and heart of the X men giving them hope. And When Jean dies Rouge steps up to become the new heart of the X men giving them hope. Wolverine is obviously the warrior of the group.

Super biased take against Cyclops. For example, an entire class of mutant students were nearly slaughtered. They were trained to be soldiers for their survival. Mutants exist only because of Scott.

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

And this happened because, during the Decimation, the Academy X books lost over 40 kids because William Stryker and Nimrod had their buses blown up, children sniped, forcibly amputated and murdered. Meanwhile, the Avengers were all focused on their competitive tool measuring contest known as Civil war. And the kids had to fight back. Made me feel sorry for Dust afterwards.

@jamman9569

Ай бұрын

Well, no. He was both right and wrong. Training kids for assassinations is a red flag, and Wolvie was right to call it out

@RaGiAn87

Ай бұрын

Calling Cyclops a villian is biased?? Lmao cyclops fans never cease to amaze me. Not a single word in your sentence is reasonable.

@nitrologly

Ай бұрын

@@RaGiAn87 You can't read comics and think Cyclops is a villain. The entire dynamic of the Krakoa and post Krakoa age is based on dynamics set by Cyclops in Utopia.

@soloeddey

Ай бұрын

Cmon man just live it you know ? Like take it on the street

Cyclops wasn’t the bad guy in that time. Iron man was

@sergio.ballesteros

Ай бұрын

Ironman was TOO.

@Fullmetalobiwan

Ай бұрын

Lol no.

@imaginaryking5276

24 күн бұрын

What did iron man do?

@curryis828

14 күн бұрын

​@@Fullmetalobiwan🤡

@TheShockVox

6 күн бұрын

@@imaginaryking5276he broke the Phoenix apart and it was forced into the Phoenix Five. They didn’t ask for the Phoenix force, or want it for themselves.

That’s a bold claim, Rob, in a universe with Victor von Doom, Magneto, Owen Reese, and Galactus in it.

What's ironic is that now it's Beast whose gone down this path of "By any means necessary"

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

Frankly, after the Threnody story in the 90’s, I kind of suspected Beast’s character would go downward morally.

@Timewarpiaman

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherbennett5858Funnily enough bringing back an older version of Beast is how Marvel's resolving it. The version of Beast who teamed up with Wonder Man has been brought back to take down Current Beast.

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

@@Timewarpiaman The Beast from New Defenders. When Candy Southern was the leader Aka me wondering if the host of the Cerebro podcast has been giving story ideas lol.

Wrong. The writers for spiderman are the true villains

@shaynewenzel8777

10 күн бұрын

FACTS!!! The sheer amount of disturbing things they put basically of the versions of him?!?! I lost track of the number of times they killed his entire family including the children.

@ninab.4540

4 күн бұрын

This is why I don't like Spiderman. He goes through too much shit

Cyclops was Right and he preserved the mutant race🥰❤️❤️☺️

@ChineduOpara

2 ай бұрын

I agree completely! And I am sure other parties would disagree, from THEIR point of view, which would be equally valid! See, THIS is the type of story that is PERFECT for the new MCU resuming in 2025! _"How far are you willing to go to avoid the extinction of your own race?"_

@jamman9569

Ай бұрын

He was right and wrong.

@ryanbradley9383

Ай бұрын

Cyclops was right!

@dekaritheprofessor2631

Ай бұрын

@@ChineduOpara Yes indeed ☺️🔥

@pattgsm

Ай бұрын

He is a highly flawed character but when it came to the welfare of Mutants, he unquestionably stood on business .

When you talked about cyclops saying they could kill cable .. yeah cable is cyclops's son

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

With Maddie. If she was able to hear that, she would’ve dragged him down to Hell.

@joanaalmeida8903

Ай бұрын

There's a well explained context behind that. The speculation that Cable goes crazy and boycott everyone to takes Hope for his purposes; or Bishop was mad and wants to kill Hope. In the end, was the Bishop alternative. Scott lets Cable takes Hope to gives her protection and a childhood that he never could give to Nathan

@tauruswalker8744

23 күн бұрын

@@joanaalmeida8903 Except he did give a childhood to Nathan. Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix.

Cyclop was the true hero in AVX

@BCWasbrough

Ай бұрын

Cyclops' heel-turn in the last chapter felt more like an editorial decision than the natural flow of the story. Most of AvX shows the X-Men fighting for a better world for as many people as possible, while the Avengers were only interested in maintaining the status quo. The only way that could end where the Avengers don't look like villains was to have Scott & the team go "mad with power", which was frankly out of character for them. Yay for Deus Ex Phoneixia!

@omnianimator8468

Ай бұрын

Truth, the xmen's logic made sense. They kept trying to say it didn't then threw their hands in the air couldn't. I have so many thoughts about that run but it boiled down to this, they wanted Scott to be the villian so they broke the story to make him one.

Schism era cyclops was where i truly came to respect the character. Read bits and peices of the saga along with x men vs the avengers and knew about the all the events that happened during this time (house of x, no more mutants, civil war, krakoa/genosha, etc). I loved cyclop's transition from the ideal golden boy of the mutant race to being it's leader and eventual savior through preservation. Also liked the fact that he took on more of magneto's idealogy and slowly backed away from professor x's ideals (nothing wrong with them, but with the way charles was written during this time, it slowly caused a rift everything cyclops was taught....).

@johnthai6188

4 күн бұрын

also it's not like he backed away form Charles's ideals full stop. he wants coexistence, but didn't want it on the backs of mutants looking like second class citizens. all cyclops wanted was mutants to live in peace without being hated, mutants to stand up to oppression/bullies and the governmental officials to back off on their treatment of mutants.

Cyclops Was Right X

Nope, Cyclops was right ❌️

The X Men finding out the Prof. had intentionally enslaved the Shiar AI; Danger (Room), made the team look at him a lot differently around that time as well. In "Astonishing".

I always found myself annoyed by how everyone treated Cyclops as this horrific monster. A lot of X-Men condemned Cyclops for X-Force during Second Coming, and for the longest time I wanted to jump into the panels and tell them all to grow up, their race was on the brink of extermination and hard choices had to be made. I also really didn't like how he was treated for killing Xavier. Look, it was wrong, he shouldn't have done it, but the writers have gone on record to say he was being influenced by the Phoenix at the time, and whenever that was brought up in the comics characters just dismissed that. Jean Grey killed billions of aliens when she was Dark Phoenix, but she was instantly forgiven by the others, and they even fought to protect her. I know it was retconned that that wasn't Jean after all, but the X-Men didn't know that at the time! The only difference between Cyclops and Jean in this scenario was that Cyclops killed someone they knew, while Jean killed a bunch of faceless aliens they hadn't met.

Cyclops is my favorite marvel character so good bad or bad guy the character is dope

As usual, thank you for this Rob. I love listening to these while working out 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Beast bringing the pasr x-men into the present and Cyclops leading the mutant revolution was after Avengers vs X-Men, not before. Also this video is very biased against Cyclops, because if Cable Cyclops knew about Hope's importance, it wasn't just a supposition, Bishop was a psychopath during that era, he endangered countless X-Men. Also Wolverine was the ultimate hypocrite, criticising Scott for putting children in danger but he himself was willing to kill Hope who was still a teenager. Last thing, during the Revolution era, Cyclops never forced anyone to fight with him, on the contrary.

@christopherhart4058

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for saving me the time to write all of this 😂 I think I wrote it on another video about Cyclops he posted

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. Frankly, I wasn’t a fan of Wolverine for that. At that point, I was team Dust:

@christopherhart4058

2 ай бұрын

Also yes odd that he says he forced people to fight with during the Revolution era when I can legit remember an issue of Uncanny where he let one of the new recruits go home after training. Also when Beast brought the O5 to the present they eventually go with Cyclops and the rest of the X-Men not with Scott at the time agree Hank was in the wrong. Not to be picky of the video but I legit just did a speed run of that era of X-Men

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherhart4058 Honestly, fair. You did the research, Frankly, I feel like, at that moment in time, after Academy X, I wasn’t really Team Cyclops or Team Wolverine. I was Team Dust and Team Martha Johanson. Because I just wanted them and the rest of the kids to get out of it okay. Necrosha is probably my favourite event of that time. Because of Selene and Destiny.

@christopherhart4058

2 ай бұрын

@@christopherbennett5858 Necrosha ruled! Anything involving the younger mutants around that time was really solid. I actually prefer Utopia to the current era sort of a hot take.

I would love a video on Cyclops' top general Magik. She's so unappreciated, and her growth has been amazing since her debut

Cyclops was like the Captain America of the X-men. So seeing his values that he holds dear be twisted and altered by trauma was ingenious. His fall from grace made him more empathetic as a character.

@ClockworkGearhead

25 күн бұрын

The irony in the entire story is the people deriding him for his actions are the same people that usually inflicted said actions _upon_ him.

You a little out of order. Avengers v X-Men happened before cyclops started saving and recruiting new mutants. Otherwise wow ur bringing back so many good memories, I have all of these major story arcs. I loved this era of cyclops.

@imaginaryking5276

24 күн бұрын

I was a marvel wiki reader as a kid so him be out of order in AvX was a little enraging. But he still delivered Personally marvel comics was at his peak during civil war to secret wars

Thanks for doing this video Rob! You covered the X-Men pretty well there during my favorite stretch of Marvel. A little correction there; The Bendis titles, All-New and Uncanny, came after Avengers Vs. X-Men not before. Beast brought the O5 team back as a last ditch effort to get his old friend to admit all his wrongs up to and killing Xavier. I personally liked what they did with his character. I like when the big 2 do different and interesting things with their characters. We have decades of these characters being eagle scouts. It's good to shake it up once in a while. Take care and peace.

Indeed a hottake but a correct one. But he was not a villain but a revolutionary.

@christopherbennett5858

2 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely. Especially with all the stuff going on in the 2000’s.

@-.Outlaw.-

2 ай бұрын

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. He was in fact a villain

@Makaveli5136

2 ай бұрын

Anti hero at best… and it really depends where you stand…

@antmaster360

2 ай бұрын

So was Magneto trying to murder all non mutants

@-.Outlaw.-

2 ай бұрын

@@Makaveli5136 he’s definitely a villain lmao

Man, some of this is just blatant misrepresentation of what happens, both Cyclops' actions and the actions of others. Imo, at the end of the day he's the reason we're able to have the Krakoa era today. He is THE xman!

I know you get burned out doing this stuff sometimes Rob, but thank you. This was awesome.

Great video! I'd love if you made more videos about X-Men history. This was a good era.

Love your channel for a long time. And for some reason this particular vídeo reminded me the OG ones. Almost could hear the old sountrack in the background...

@HungL0W

2 ай бұрын

Or the intro music

@anthonyandrade5851

2 ай бұрын

@@HungL0W that"s rhe one? What was the name...?

@HungL0W

2 ай бұрын

@@anthonyandrade5851 The Heavy - Short Change Hero

Hope they do him well in the MCU.

@DekkarJr

2 ай бұрын

LOL

@suggsverse

2 ай бұрын

We know that's impossible

@DavidSanchez-yv5gn

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 💯 agreed with your comment, they always try to downgrade him, but he is a BAD ASSSS

@fanofgodjimindiva2497

2 ай бұрын

They won't do ANYONE well in the MSHEu

@synthzee

Ай бұрын

He's a straight white dude, I guarantee you they won't.

Those villain summers comics sound AMAZING honestly. Id love to see you cover them. Id love to buy and read them

I'm not a comic book guy but I love this channel! The guy is so passionate about what he loves and he's really good at telling a condensed story even if the audience has little to no reference points.

Xmen Schism convinced me that cyclops was a great leader, dude was trying to protect what was left of the mutants and people try to label him a villain. The mans a boyscout or started out that way because Xavier need his child soldiers to be obedient, but all the betrayals made him more protective and militant so he could effectively lead honestly(he is a deadbeat dad though)

@justinguardner3129

2 ай бұрын

He loved Cable, he went to the future with Jean to find a cure for then techno organic virus

@SenseiSeagal420

2 ай бұрын

@@justinguardner3129 I like how you conveniently left out that he abandoned Cable and his mother to be with the Xmen after they found Jean alive.

@justinguardner3129

2 ай бұрын

@@SenseiSeagal420 lol that did happen

@atracruor

Ай бұрын

@@SenseiSeagal420 I like how everyone conveniently leaves out that it was the original X-Men (Warren, Bobby, and Hank, y'know... his three oldest friends ), telling him to come see only the FOURTH oldest friend he had, how Madelyn had already abusive to him, hitting and berating Scott, and told him not come back. That, when he did come back to see everything gone and the house destroyed he broke down immediately. AND, most of all, that Madelyn was LITERALLY CREATED BY SINISTER for the -sole- purpose of bearing a child AND how she'd actually been psychically manipulating him the entire time. But y'know... brain washing's only wrong when it's not Cyclops.

@ericm6873

7 күн бұрын

​@@SenseiSeagal420 He didn't abandon them. Madelyn LEFT because he went to go check on a recently resurrected jean. You youtubers really don't read the comics

I remember you did Cable vs The Avengers, and you talked about it leading in to Messiah Complex and Messiah War. I’d love to cover that.

To answer your question at the end... cover all of these stories! X-Men is the greatest comic book series of all time and like you said, the Cyclops Villain Saga contains some of the best stories from the series.

Cyclops was right.

Damn, what a trip through memory lane. I stopped reading comics during secret wars, and it's exactly because X-men was getting so good but then it went nowhere and I was like, f this shit. Also, by that time even hank admitted that Cyclops was right.

I would like for you to cover "Cable& Deadpool". Probably needs to be a mini series, but you have already covered all the bigger happenings it touches. The even older Deadpool stuff is pretty great too.

@Strizz484

Ай бұрын

Deadpool #11 was a classic issue in particular

Omg that was all my teenage years reading comics resumed on a video! To be fair at the beginning People were complaining about the way that cyclops was being written but im glad they kept him that way, he becomes a more complex character and drops away the good boy persona that People usted to associate him to also, his black-red costume with the x visor was badass! Loved your video man!!

Thanks for the video, Robbery! It made me think and choose to communicate with the community. That felt good.

Anakin Skywalker is the best analogy ive seen. I used nick fury as an analogy. He's not a captain America type because hes not bound to loyalty to a single country. Hes pretty unique but thats a great comparison anakin because of the heel turn

I forget which run it was on the AvX stores or the plenty of times they fought. But the words he spoke to Steve then (paraphrase) While the Sentinels hunted us, House of M & the other events, where were the Avengers, we fought beside you in your battles but left to ourselves to die" That line was the coldest lone every written to the Avengers to call them out since they had a all white team and someone called them out on that. So in a complete flip and see Steve take what is basically the X-Force mentality and form another Unity Squad that straight murked Orchid. It felt good to see, especially people like Tony who previously had a FWB relationship with Emma be a ally in the Fall of X & Kingpin using his street power to help as well is damn good to see. So seeing Marvel give this character development to Scott and the people he has went against is awesome

Some of my times of reading x men and being a fan of cyclops. Loved telling my friends about the evolution of cyclops. Great video!

Damn you covered a lot of ground with this one, Rob! Gotta say this was a good time to be an X-Men fan, after many years of forgettable stories. And yes, please cover Decimation, District X, and Schism/Regenesis!

Yes, New Xmen post AvX made Cyclops one of my favorite Marvel characters.

Scott wasn't a villian he was just down for his people. As time went on he realized Magneto was right all along

@pfc_church

Ай бұрын

At least you thought Magneto was hero right?

THE DIFFERENT SUITS OF CYCLOPS SHOWN IN THJS VIDEO WERE ALL COOL AF. i especially liked the cosmic looking one.

Your videos are awesome.

AvX shows that Cyclops was making the world better: forced countries to surrender weapons; built better infrastructure for cities; installed crop irrigation systems where there was none; gave mutants a new home and a future. The Avengers threatened the mutants peace, accused them of stuff based on assumptions and then kidnapped Hope. Cyclops was right. He was protecting his family from injustice. When the world turns against you and your people, it is asking for retaliation.

Is the future success of the MCU in the hands of a Henry Cavill Cyclops storyline??

All I know is that fight between Dazzler and Black bolt........ GENIUS!!!!!

@ComicsExplained Speaking of Dark Reign, when are you going to cover that? I would really love it!

*Rob* Please Review *Zero Tolerance* That was my favorite X-Men series and the Artwork 🤌🏿

Absolutely cover those stories!!!

Thanks for the video ! You caught a new subscriber with it !

I'd love for you to cover those stories!

Wow, am I the only one who didn't think nor look at Slim as a bad guy during this arc?

@TheShockVox

6 күн бұрын

Not at all, based on the comments. cyclops was right

Agreed, if they don’t go down this route with his character in the cinematic or at least the All New X Men time travel run to bring back old and new versions of characters to get new actors to take over their roles and change their futures it’ll be a miss.

@bonedoc4556

2 ай бұрын

That's some run on sentence. Lol

Yes cover all these stories in full, id watch them all

Rob PLEAAAAASSSEEE keep making X-men content. I’ve stuck with your channel since my literal childhood. And everytime you release something I watch it, but I don’t click on it nearly as fast as I do anything X-men

Off topic but who agrees that Jason Isaacs should be Magneto?

@ImNotThatGoodAtGames

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 100 percent

@colinwoonsue

2 ай бұрын

Not a bad casting

@amateur-madman3047

2 ай бұрын

Nice choice

Cyclops was just essentially Paul Atterides 😂

@BCWasbrough

Ай бұрын

Not really. Scott never had a big destiny, besides fathering or mentoring more powerful beings than himself. He couldn't see the future, just did his best to react to events, and roll with the punches. Cyclops is a talented every-man, where Paul was raised from birth as nobility and a figure of prophecy.

Always down for more Cyclops videos

The answer is always YES for any new content! Cover it all!

emma frost + scott summers

Sorry, but this is a bad take. There have been other "Cyclops is an ahole" runs, but these were not it. He was just being a decisive leader, making the best decisions he could given the circumstances. Was everything he did perfect? No, not by a long shot, but it was all motivated from a pretty clear concern for the future of his people. For example, Cyclops didn't say he would kill all his teammates to save Hope, he was saying that ALL of them (himself included) should be willing to lay down their lives to keep Hope safe, because her presence was clearly connected with re-creating mutantkind. In Utopia, he wasn't making child soldiers, he was teaching kids to fight for their home and to defend themselves from people who wanted to kill them. He wasn't trying to eradicate anyone with the Phoenix Force, he was trying to bring about the rebirth of his race. He also, as part of the Phoenix Five, spent tons of time and effort remaking the entire world (not just mutantkind) into an actual utopia, but after being attacked several times, the Phoenix Force had had enough and went to town on them all. AND at the end, he did indeed bring about the rebirth of his race. Cyclops was right. This overall run in the comics is what makes him the GOAT defender of mutantkind, in my mind.

None of these actions make him a "villain". This is Cyclops at his peak. I don't understand understand why people label this era Cyclops as a "villain". Just because Avengers fought him? What part of this version of Cyclops is not heroic? He saved the mutant species

Great cover! I love this song

You smoking rocks reading DC comic books if you believe that

I think Cyclops been off his knockers since returning from 'merging' with Apocalypse

Rob's refusal to acknowledge Black Bolt was my favourite part of this video 😂

Man, a perfect summary. People like you should talk to Marvel to handle the scriptwriting for the movies. People with passion and who know how to summarize without losing the essence. Great video

Always been a Cyke stan

Cyclops was Right

This was the era of X-men I got into reading the comics with. Seeing Scott Summers in the position to have to make the hard decisions when the mutants backs were pushed against the wall like never before made for some fantastic storytelling and I was there for it. When he could do nothing but defend, he had to figure out how to go on the offensive.

I would love it if you covered Deadly Genesis, The Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, and Realm and War of Kings. Also, the Messiah Complex trilogy.

Cyclops should've been written more as a hero instead of a villain because he showed his prowess as a leader of the X-Men. But after House of M, he went down a villainous path while to maintain the survival of Mutants which started from Messiah Complex to Avengers vs X-Men. But this makes me want to read more and more about Cyclops.

@RACALDERONR

2 ай бұрын

The people around him made him out to be a "villain", while all he was doing was protecting his people. If the enemies attack, he will attack back. Noone attacks, then no need for him to attack back. CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT!

@peterscoop2647

2 ай бұрын

@@RACALDERONR they slowly, slowly write him off and then it all goes woke... :(

@CoOlKyUbI96

Ай бұрын

Cyclops wouldn’t have been a villain if others weren’t so hostile and straight up evil towards mutants

@ixvari

Ай бұрын

​@peterscoop2647 You do realize X-Men has always been and will always be Woke right? 🤣

@peterscoop2647

Ай бұрын

@@ixvari no its just what wokies say as a blanket statement

I think when Magneto of all people says something like "What is wrong with you, Scott", you may be going down the wrong path. Scott always was myopic...

@mlo009

2 ай бұрын

Magneto never forget Scott killed Charles.

@ClockworkGearhead

25 күн бұрын

@@mlo009 The real irony here is Xavier has used his powers to vegetable people, including Magento. Like, he says, "Cyclops, why you acting like this," but is ignoring all the crap Xavier inflicted upon him, _up to and including using Cyclops as a child soldier as well._ What really bothers people about Cyclops is he simply accepted the lessons he was taught, by his enemies and teachers, and stopped being half-hearted about it. He _actually_ aimed to break the status quo instead of just pretending he was.

This was a good video.

I love silver age stuff. Insane capes and tights heros stories.

Cyclops is underrated. I still have a grudge against Bryan Singer for ruining his character and Superman.

Just got the new 97 “ Boyscout” in today. This was right on time.

I loved parts of that Bendis run. It had so much potential with the new characters we were introduced to and Cyclops continuing to build his team up. If I remember correctly, he even made peace with Havok and it looked like Havok would join him. But Axis or Secret War plans derailed everything and the run ultimately meant nothing in the grand scheme of the characters. Even Dazzler's dark/emo phase was forgotten, and I thought it was the most interesting thing the character had ever done. So yeah.... maybe go back and look at the Uncanny run of Bendis in detail. I'd like to remember those days with a little trip down memory lane.

I'd like to see you do the Inhumans vs X-men and t he post killing prof, first off some decent stories and I like what they did with his powers too

Marvel's best villian is a movie director who re writes everything vs following a script that's been there for decades.

@antediluvian99

2 ай бұрын

Lauren Donna (Producer actually), Bryan Singer, Simon Kinberg (Producer). All true Villains

@letsgetdoing

2 ай бұрын

@@antediluvian99 true that

I do love the split in teams. Logan and Jean Grey School (which was basically Harry Potter) and Cyclops and his "brotherhood of mutants". It really showed how the two characters had change so much that they were now polar opposites. Logan carrying on the professor's dream and Cyclops being a version of Magneto that even made Eric a little nervous.

@pfc_church

Ай бұрын

It was a good story. It felt weird for along time thinking Logan became Professor and Scott is now Eric. So many times and alt universes this happens. I think writers from for the past 10 years now were fans of the 90s and early 2000s thought scott was always a dick and here we are.

@ClockworkGearhead

25 күн бұрын

What? Wolverine was opposed to the Professor as well, and even went so far as to rename the school to snub him. The Professor's dream was to bring understanding to humans, and Wolverine didn't do that, he just isolated the mutants (and not even all of them, just the kids) from humans. Arguably, that would make everything way worse, since it's opposed to the statement, "People fear what they don't understand, and they hate what they fear." And, _worse,_ it was more dangerous for the kids to stay in Wolverine's school than not.

@ericm6873

8 күн бұрын

Cyclops wasn't becoming Magneto. Magneto followed him, not the other way around

@pfc_church

7 күн бұрын

@@ClockworkGearhead I think you missed the point if that is as far as you got. Wolverine adopted the professors fight. Scott was the natural successor didn't want anything to do with it rejecting what the professor stood for. It is a dynamic Marvel repeats with the team over and over. Wolverine starts out one way becoming a beloved hero while Scott starts out as a hero becoming less one as time goes on. Every reboot or alt world same thing. They each adopted the general position of professor and magneto originally had.

@ClockworkGearhead

7 күн бұрын

@@pfc_church wolverine wasn't fighting, you get that right? He ran and hid

Cyclops has always been my guy. My hatred for Wolverine is infinite lol. Cyclops is literally the guy who always did the right thing and got fucked over anyway.

Cyclops’s crazy missions were some of the best X-force comics!