Several people have pointed out that I forgot about the CS Fairplay guidelines at 8:57 - which explicitly bans automation. I will have to take the L on that one. Today’s video is brought to you by Skinport - Buy and sell your CS2 Skins easy and secure. Check them out here: skinport.com/r/heyzeus

@heypistolero

2 ай бұрын

I mean, seems like a pretty major point

@pest2133

2 ай бұрын

What if valve made drops work like operations so you had to complete different randomly generated missions each week? Like win one competitive, get 20 kills in some game mode and so on

8:57 thats very misleading. They're not only breaking the Steam TOS but also the CS Fairplay guidelines: "In all modes: - Never cheat. - Never grief or verbally abuse your teammates or opponents. - Never use any automation for any reason." Bans are 100% justified.

@-eMpTy-

2 ай бұрын

And this isn't even a recent addition, it has been in the fairplay guidelines since they were released.

@TDMHeyzeus

2 ай бұрын

Ahhh fair enough, I missed that.

@_Andy93_

2 ай бұрын

lmao, if the second point was implemented, we all would be banned by now.

@rlr700

2 ай бұрын

​@@TDMHeyzeus True man admitting to his mistakes, not much of that going around. Big W man, keep doing a great fkn job

@TwistedFireX

2 ай бұрын

@@rlr700 gluck gluck 2000 over here

Ive been playing tf2 since 2015, and the bot problem began there and has only gotten worse. Id recommend watching a video by Zesty Jesus called "no one's home" where he goes over this exact problem. Valve USED to clear these bots back in the day, but they've largely stopped, as hundreds of thousands of accounts would just pop back up after a ban wave. Unfortunately, its no surprise this spreads to other free games (unturned, cs2, etc). Bots, whether it be cheaters or item farms, will remain as long as valve does nothing about it. When money's involved, people will find a way to abuse the system.

@user-qv5lr1sy9o

2 ай бұрын

Um, no. Just put a 14 day trading/community market ban on the cases and manually ban the bots, the bots won't even make their money back before being banned.

@6z0

2 ай бұрын

I quit tf2 in 2015. Bots plagued that game since the stone ages

@dingbat2461

2 ай бұрын

@@6z0 idle bots? Yes. Cheater bots didn't show up until 2019/2020ish.

@goldnutter412

2 ай бұрын

There were scammers in 2010 mate, Unusual Hat Club One dude social engineered Valve for self made shit, there was so much going on. Wrote them a massive essay as well as pre community market discussion. It was rather productive, only thing I asked for that they ignored was a way to look up EXACT DETAILS of how many of X item exist And have NOPE PRIVATE as one of the outputs. Never worked out why they didn't just do that. Truth > Trust. #chainlink

@goldnutter412

2 ай бұрын

@@dingbat2461 for the most part, lol

Dude, it's a LOT like cheating the way that they do it. Some even have them with aimbot and other cheats that autokill other players in the server, too. Stop saying it's "not as bad as cheating" to literally run 60,000+ accounts that ruin the game for at least tens of thousands of regular players. These morons ruin at least 2-3 games for me in a playsession of deathmatch each day, it's way worse than the average 12 year old with an aimbot. You can kick the 12 year old from deathmatch, you can't kick the bots when it's 20 of them joining at once.

@TaniasUncle

2 ай бұрын

Maybe I should feel bad but the money printing machine goes brrrrrrrrrrr and is making me rich

@artner9624

2 ай бұрын

why valve not disable kick system in Death Match as you can not troll in Death match, what is the use of kick in Death match?

@chocolates6651

2 ай бұрын

@@artner9624 yea, at this point the bots are more of a problem than cheaters in dm 😂

@evankim2406

2 ай бұрын

@@artner9624 So that you can kick cheaters.

@juuso4148

2 ай бұрын

​@@TaniasUncleyou are poor af

Bots deflate the market, obviously, and supply cheaters with throw away accounts if they can’t farm.

@rikothefirst

Ай бұрын

Inflate deflation cuts the supply, inflation dilutes it.

you should've also mentioned another new inconvenience for the botters which is buff banning case / capsule/ package sales on their site, i think it was a major way for botters to cashout easily and now they need to find another one

I would implement a 'challenges' feature to stop case farming. The way it would work is that you would have tasks like in operations such as 50 HS kills 10jumping shots, nade kills and etc per week. The limit can obviously be adjusted if it's too hard or too easy. The point is it would make it very hard for all of this to be automated at the same time and it would require the botters to develop some sort of ai

@some0ne824

2 ай бұрын

Damn, banger idea

@Sein82

2 ай бұрын

exactly what i thought but I think those mf would make a bot to do those tasks like the headshot one you mentioned they make a bot that goes around and headshot people like tf2 sniper bots. It's only resolved when those smart folks at valve put some actual effort to stop it once and for all.

@zucth8447

2 ай бұрын

It's gonna be worse, challenge like jumping headshop with Scout = More cheater support on top of case farming

@Maksimszz

2 ай бұрын

@@zucth8447 yeah but if valve actually had a functioning anti cheat they would be easily detected and banned

@bleo8371

2 ай бұрын

Bot is bot, you can make bot farming bots... tool is ban .)

The problem is the market existing in the first place. This is literally made to make you gamble and shit, why does no one give a shit?

@FireEmblemOG

2 ай бұрын

Because everyone cares about money and not just enjoying a video games.

What happened to the add phone number to authenticate prime status thing? Are botted accounts using unique phone numbers too?

@nezu_cc

2 ай бұрын

Throwaway phone numbers can be purchased for around 10 cents, but for bulk orders (like case farmers would need) that price can go down quite a bit still. Considering the game costs 15$, 10 cents extra isn't solving anything

2:30 _"player numbers normally go down in the summer"_ must be those people that touch grass, ive heard of it... ( o.o)

They could introduce these CAPTCHA Tests before starting a game

@kr3stsb

2 ай бұрын

Wouldn't work. There are tons of captcha solving API's out there that handle those.

@Desire4Sound

Ай бұрын

Digital-ID at a certain point.

bro doesnt know about TF2 bot problem 💀💀💀

@bonkmaykr

Ай бұрын

what do you mean? everyone knows because tf2 players don't ever stop whining about it

@Furious_726

Ай бұрын

​@@bonkmaykrit's a huge problem. You can't even go into a match without bots kicking players or using aimbot.

Just the banger I needed before going to sleep.

sounds like this may also be a reason buff pulled cases as well..

Restrictions and Account bans will only stifle the situation when cases were dropping idle, No one was interfering with anyone. It's all about case prices, demand breeds supply. Many use neural nets, are not cheats, no memory injection. (I use google translator)

starting to sound like runescape. and tf2. botters ruin everything

0:05 I see what you did there. 😂

why valve not disable kick system in Death Match as you can not troll in Death match, what is the use of kick in Death match

Talking about a botting problem with old school runescape music in the background is unintentionally hilarious

No wonder I couldn't play flying Scouts men I found it odd how I would join a server and instantly get vote kicked to Lays that weren't even moving

I think valve should make the drops come from some sort of weekly quest like get x amount of kills in dm or have a certain amount of flash assists and because they would change every week the bot farmers will not be able to keep up

love the influx of educational conten!t!

No, its not 600k to players instead. If those bots werent there, the cases just wouldnt have been dropped.

Well another point for how bot farmers would ruin cs2 is that they’d drive the price of cases down because of the sheer amount they earn ruining the potential payout for actual players

you can only get a drop once a week and if you need prime it would be like around 16/.25 (assuming the average case is 25 cents like in the video) it would take 64 weeks for a single bot that bought prime to become profitable. Am I missing something? did the guys with 60,000 bots really spend 960,000$ on buying prime?

@TDMHeyzeus

2 ай бұрын

Ahhh no, I just messed up the maths. Its 1.5 million cases (these are of course just rough estimates)

@chasebeavers

2 ай бұрын

You’re missing the exchange rate between countries.

@user-yv4bb7mu4e

2 ай бұрын

These bot farms running 60k+ bots probably have had these accounts for a long time, like before csgo went f2p, and prime status was given for free when it went f2p. You could buy csgo in russia for less than a dollar at some point.

@TwistedFireX

2 ай бұрын

@@chasebeavers my country (america) is being raped by the third world and ai, there seems to be no hope but we cant give up yet

@gyroninjamodder

2 ай бұрын

If the accounts don't get banned they can resell them.

Back in 2016 I use to farm drops on my account with a bot while I was at school. My one account made $200 in cases in a month, plus I got a Medusa drop worth $400 from the operation pass.

the middle manning on skinport with 2% fees is not actually something i knew about thats cool

7:35 can't get behind that logic there. It's not that the farmers are "stealing" cases, unless you're viewing it from a "they're occupying a server that a player could use" perspective, which I think is still wrong since servers are launched dynamically in the cloud on demand. Cue times could be longer though.

@drScorp1on

2 ай бұрын

Putting it the other way around, farmers (even though I don't like them) are effectively lowering the skin prices. Bad for investors, good for Jimmy that only wants a play skin for cheap.

@6z0

2 ай бұрын

All the people buying botted cases would have bought from a legit person if it wasn’t for the bots.

I haven't received any rare case drop yet in the game!

Do you reckon if valve steps in again and stops these bots, the price of cases will go up? Especially non-prime cases? 5% of total throughput gone, overtime, this should reduce supply and increase price?

Valve made game with bot problems? Havent heard that one before

Here’s to hoping valve axes all of them. Bots ruin games, just like the idle bots did to TF2’s economy.

@goldnutter412

2 ай бұрын

Cheating problem will be solved within a few years I have detailed files😝

@Nictheidoit

Ай бұрын

Still no response from valve.

Is it so hard to ban farmers i mean they have like on the video 8/10 accs opened so can valve just ban them from ip?

Honestly the main botters I want gone are the market ones. Buff included. Looking at you, kong.

Actually botting could be considered direct stealing because the Cases of casuals would be worth more due to 10% of the supply being removed

Isnt it good that people drive case prices down

@Nictheidoit

Ай бұрын

The thing is that what they contain will have less value.

This is why i only collect discontinued cases

cs2 has a bot problem? oh boy, if you knew about the state of tf2 for several years ;D

They could just add a new report option, report someone as a bot, where after a few reports the account automatically gets blocked from drops for review. To normal players falsely reported missing out on their weekly 40 cent case is no big deal but to bot farmers it’s another hurdle

Easy fix : case drops only in the end of the premier matches or after u get xp in the premier matches

@oOignignoktOo1

2 ай бұрын

That'll just encourage the bots to use cheats and ruin premier lobbies instead. Premier is already trash as is but tie more incentive to get something out of it is just gonna attract even more scumbags.

Is it really worth it to farm cases? I mean you need a pc which is abled to run multiple cs accounts the same time and then u have to pay for energy

@-eMpTy-

2 ай бұрын

Electricity is $0.07 per kWh in China. And the game doesn't have to run well, it just has to run. I believe two cores would be enough for each instance.

@arthurbecker3549

2 ай бұрын

@@-eMpTy- ah ok

0:05 wtf😭

Somethings telling me this video is less for "the average player" and instead for you and your multiple accounts filled with storages of cases crashing in value

Are 3rd party skin trading platforms allowed by steam?

Thanks professor Marmalade! 😂

5:13 cross your eyes a little and enjoy the 3d

i bought 2000 glove case so 0.30 cent aud and then sold them at 3.80$ witch i regret so much but still a W

cool tf2 been dealing with this stuff forever now get used to it

I play DM a lot and in every Lobby, i have at least one Bot. They are totally ruining the game. Bots move by themselves, have auto aim and target you through walls. Fuck the case prices and let them farm but keep them out of my games. In my opinion, Valve should just put the Cases into the ingame market. Just make drops unprofitable.

where "hey i'm heyzeus"

Take a look at the TF2 bot scenario.

did i see Contra???

Its even worst in team fortress 2, I recommended watch "TF2: Nobody's Home"

Wouldnt be the easy solution to only give XP in tables games?

@ayjay7885

2 ай бұрын

Ranked*

yeah selling cases is big money every year, i spend $200 on cases, and i've been selling my old cases in a cycle for the past 8 years... I still have Breakout Cases, they are worth 7.50 USD each. I buy games with them afterwards. I invested 100 dollars back in 2015, each cases were 0.04 USD. Now they are 7.50, that is 1,875% mark up (or 187.5x more). After fees, I made a little short of $16,000. and I bought games with that money. I only bought like 500 dollars worth of games per steam sale events. I got too many games, not enough time.

This is why the CS2 numbers are at a record high, It wouldn't surprise me what so ever if there are more BOTS than humans in CS2 at any one time. CS is on it's backside, BOTS, Cheaters, MatchMaking just throws any old people into games, usually one side is full of premades whilst the other is full on solo players. On top of this, all the dudes that are bored of cheaters in high ELO, are on secondary accounts absolutely battering people in lower ranks to the point where the actual difference in skill is massive, because of this you get people leaving mid game. I can only imagine how difficult it is for genuine new player to start getting into CS.

Hey bud you're awesome just hope you know that ...Cheers keep doing you!

Valve could 3x the amount of case drops. the players need to buy keys, people would be more willing to open if they are 4 cents over a dollar.

Casefarmers make cases cheaper

If check out zesty Jesus video on the afk bot problem in tf2 you’ll see how tf2 player metrics behavior is awfully similar to cs2 and that’s bc of all the bot hosting activity

farming bots are inevitable, like WoW bots farming gold.

Only way to stop it is if they own 100 dollars worth of steam games to be able to sell on marketplace

@oOignignoktOo1

2 ай бұрын

but they don't sell on marketplace they sell it on 3rd party websites and sell it for cash $$$

@HerbaceousM8

2 ай бұрын

even if they actually wanted to sell on steam, they would farm 30k worth of cases, buy Civ6 and all the expansions. flip all the cases, refund Civ 6.

@guitarsolos89

2 ай бұрын

​@@HerbaceousM8that doesn't make sense to me

Cs2 valve dms in europe has farm bots aimbotting in game, they dont get kicked cause they get like 20-40kills a game, still annoying to die to a literal robocop

I really dont see the problem with botters. Sure, sometimes you get into games with the bots, but just search for another game and youll find one pretty quickly. from my experience atleast. and with how scarce cases are nowadays, its not a bad thing to introduce a few hundred thousand extra into the market every month. theyre still expensive enough even with the newly added supply to make people play

Cases on BUFF are dead thats only why

Bro dropping the r bomb in every video

everyone should like the video. this greatly helps us normal players

It will take yeeaaaars to for the "prime only if you pay" to get effect, theres so large amount of accounts that were botted to prime available :( Btw you can easily spot one of these accounts they only have the csgo coin so just report them instantly, i want valve to do same as riot did with league of legends, they banning botted accounts instantly after one receives report about thirdparty software

sounds like something a guy with case investments would say

Also I saw a comment on an anomaly clips video. Someone quite rightly said these bots are adding more unnecessary stress on valves servers which will be making our gaming experience slightly and I mean very very slightly worse and also costing valve more money to increase the server capacity.

@zelbekon

2 ай бұрын

I guess that's a part of the reason why there are seemingly 1mil players online and yet finding a game can take up to 5 minutes

@6z0

2 ай бұрын

These bots are also adding to case supply. Less supply = higher case prices = less cases being opened = bad for volvo

@parkourguyyy

2 ай бұрын

CSGO could handle the nearly 2 million players playing during the CS2 hype pretty well it seemed. Im 99% sure 5-10% of the playerbase being bots isnt adding any real stress to the servers. unecessary, sure. But also negligible stress

@clearclear6237

2 ай бұрын

Agree 👍🏻

Can’t they just add a captcha when you accept the rewards?

I'm glad prices are dropping I'm poor

TF2: 🤣First time?

more about that pls, this cant be run by a single person, can it?

Just add a Captcha before you can claim the drop

@nighthemX

2 ай бұрын

this is done manually lol

@momentora9466

2 ай бұрын

@@nighthemX huh

@momentora9466

2 ай бұрын

@@nighthemX its automated, why would you write a whole program to farm cases without including the 2 clicks it takes to claim the case

@nighthemX

2 ай бұрын

@@momentora9466 i farm cases and its not as easy as you think, you still need to do certain things

@0xszander0

2 ай бұрын

That's actually a good idea

LETS GOOOOOOO!!!!! ALMOST THERE AND THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE THE GAME GOOD INSTEAD OF GAMBLING MONEY WOOOHOOO

im a val player i got tired of val and wen t to try cs my FIRST GAME had 5 cheaters and my first deathmatch was just a ton of bots

You should watch a video made by JestyZeus of tf2. He made a 1h video about botting in tf2 (which he didnt talk about economy but botters ruined a lot), it will give you a good insight

They should make objectives to get cases instead.

There is one really easy and simple solution Valve could do. Remove all those skins and cases and just give us back Counter-Strike. All those skinmoneys and farmers will go away and the game will be fun again.

tf2 players: lmao, you know nothing

Flood the market.

How are bot farms profitable if you have to spend 14 euros to buy prime status to recieve weekly drops? That would be at least like 26 weeks of weekly drops to get your money back, which is approx half a year, plus electricity costs, just doesn't sound very worth it tbf. Is there any way to get prime for free?

@chocolates6651

2 ай бұрын

in 2018 you could get prime for free so some people still have accounts in reserve from back then

@trofchik9488

2 ай бұрын

Accounts may be stolen. To lesser extent, profit can still be made due to case prices rising overtime.

Bots should be banned as they are definitely cheating by definition. The difference to a player cheating with Aim and Walls is, that the player isn't even required to play anymore. They literally automate the game through external software that Auto aims for them. Also, you could argue that its one player making multiple "Smurf accounts" that very likely give false data about the account owner in the creation process in almost every possible way, which should also be enough to ban you of steam entirely.

just add captcha before connecting to server xD

After hearing the amount of money they made I kind of want to get into bot farming lmao

You don't say ? Been telling people since the early 2000's this was coming. Sigh.. soon.. soon things will be done

So....just as it always was?

Valve should introduce new rules like you can only get drops if you play competitively. If these bot farmers try farming in competitive with automated bots, those dumb bots will get kicked in no time.

@TabbuEme

2 ай бұрын

Lots of people play casual gamemodes though, so it would suck for them.

@trofchik9488

2 ай бұрын

Queue as 5-stack. AFAIK in CSGO there were methods to put 10 of your accounts into the same game of comp.

Valves tf2 curse is catching up to them

Just add a captcha before you can get your weekly drops ;)

I think CS-GO players need to start a movememt as well

just put a captcha when you're getting the reward

Honestly, all these videos (yours, and to an extent the tf2 guy's bot video, i forgot his name) do is make me want to code some case farming bots. It seems like really fucking easy money. Also, I dont totally agree that the bots are hurting CS2 players, at least not in an economic sense. (it's definitely not healthy for whatever gamemode they're playing) While yes, they are taking up $600k marketshare, that drives the prices down, it is good for the consumer. Not for the sellers though, but nobody is gonna really give a shit because they're not really making money from cs2, only the case farmers. At the end of the day it mostly just comes down to providing more cases for gamba-enjoyers to open, meaning they pay less, and they get their experience for cheaper. Your average joe selling cases isn't going to care much that their cases are worth ¢5-¢20 less. Otherwise, great video. I only disagree on the one point.. or really, half a point, because the bots are definitely ruining deathmatch/flying scoutsman.

That Twitter comment of you saying people can’t get out of 10k aged poorly 😂 I’m almost convinced to bot farm after watching this video. 😂

Why do you say the cases tgat the bots get dropped would go to normal players if they didn't exist. Isn't it just more players = more cases = cheaper cases?

@rijck3329

2 ай бұрын

Nvm, you say it's a bad thing that the value of cases drops because our drops would then be worth less. So it's bad for players who don't open cases and good for players who do

i wish cs2 would cost 20€ in a month... most people interrested in the game already got it, all banned people have to pay again. would at least make valve money even tho nothing will change

I honestly think the most efficent way to stop this ENTIRELY is right infront of us.. but so many people dont like the honest truth + its to much legal work from valve: KYC - you cant trade items or sell them on the community account unless you verify yourself with a ID.

@masonkern9781

2 ай бұрын

amen

@TaniasUncle

2 ай бұрын

No… so many people don’t even own ID. Especially poorer nations and people have the right to privacy. Awful suggestion.

@masonkern9781

2 ай бұрын

@@TaniasUncle Too bad brokie. No privacy needed when dealing with money pay your taxes

@TaniasUncle

2 ай бұрын

@@masonkern9781 cringe

5:00 they were botting a long time before March.. pity noone listens.. mostly. LMAO !! 6:01 cheers for that Thanks for reminding me to post this now. Should have told Valve back then. There was a guy who farmed over 30,000 accounts in TF2 for the SALVAGED 30, 40 crates and prob beyond - fully automatically by cycling through them in batches of whatever, on various machines he could get access to :| ah yes.. kinda like those images LOL I think he was a RUski. Just saying. Not the 2 digit steamid guy who stole vintage max set items by social engineering.. the other guy. #Danger. #Zone.

because its so hard to detect these bots... same performance like ther anti-cheat but hey steam still earns money from all this s"§W%