What I failed to discuss at the end of this hand is whether or not the 53cc bluffs if the river was a pure brick. Because if we think he only bluffs say 50% of the time with his missed draws and the rest of the time he has value you can still make a case for a “fifth street chicken” fold. Obviously the opponent has the opportunity (and should) be bluffing with 53cc at the end if spades comes in, especially when at this level, most players in the Hero’s position would lead river if they made a backdoor spade flush.

@jt4391

11 ай бұрын

I think jamming turn is the right play here , so many scared cards to avoid. And so many draws/combo draws might call a turn shove. I would have only called turn if I was in position and evaluate river

@EllieBanks333

11 ай бұрын

If villain is a decent hand reader he probably knows hero's hand pretty exactly. The action here tells me KQ or AQ almost always. So he could bluff some rivers here, but I think it's a bad idea on a brick.

@timothynguyen4446

11 ай бұрын

@@jt4391jamming isn’t always bad, but the hero also needs to be able to have hands that bet/call the turn that is capable of calling brick rivers. If the villain knows the hero will always jam value in the turn to the raise than the river becomes a very profitable bluff opportunity.

@pot_kivach160

11 ай бұрын

Only V knows the answer to that one. My guess is that he would bluffed. Because I would. Otherwise, the turn raise would not makes sense.

@Optable

11 ай бұрын

@@jt4391 At 1/2, letting passive noobs hit that river for a middling broadway vs your 53cc miss is a great play. Realizing some potential improvement while still getting max value out of the weak + high-card coveting end of the spectrum sounds like sweet sauce when used specifically and appropriately. You're just jamming turn with some weak rags you wouldn't show the entire world unless you had to most of the time then.

Check raise on the turn and shove on the river at a 1/2 game. Run for the hills. Will you get bluffed every now and then, yeah. But 90% of the time you are screwed.

@ashtonfronsoe45

11 ай бұрын

Wasn’t a c/r though

@albertwang6465

11 ай бұрын

Check raise is a strong move overall, if I don’t know the player I’m running for the hills lol

@jonpaxman

11 ай бұрын

As played, the guy raised the turn on a semi bluff. There are way more T9 and spades in his range than 53, and he's going to barrel off with those at least some of the time. Remember he cold called preflop!

@K0rbendal1as

10 ай бұрын

Your right bro in this spot in these stakes which I play often It’s a easy fold

@TheTree1

5 күн бұрын

@@K0rbendal1as it would be a really bad fold the guy has almost no value on the turn, it's basically always some kind of semi Bluff. I actually like just kind of jamming in here over the raise on the turn. I haven't even heard what happens on the river yet I'm just on the turn and in the comment section.

Just a reminder folks, when you’re analyzing a 1-2 hand the players can and frequently will have literally any two cards.

@houdinihir9549

11 ай бұрын

I know there is never a reason to analyze a poker hand from a $1-$2 game.

@pot_kivach160

11 ай бұрын

It's a player (profile) dependant. Rabbit will never go against a fox without heavy howitzer.

@jonduberman2573

11 ай бұрын

This can absolutely be Q4cc/hh or shit, in the CO, even the robbie. Even in 2/5 im probably just gunna pitch my TPKK to a river shove and top off. I’ve been bad in these spots so many times.

Maybe I'm just a nit, but in my low stakes experience (on line and live) the bet generally means the bet. Not always, but until I have experience with the player, I'm rarely stacking off with one pair against an unknown.

This was a good breakdown Bart. I appreciate it and as well the information you added below!

Cool analysis and a well played hand. So many live regs overfold spots like this Think its worth mentioning that given the turn raise we have to expect he'll have plenty of river bluffs.

Interesting hand. When we say it’s player dependent, that’s another way of saying that only a small fraction of fellow regulars or fish who play at these games either check raise bluff, or bluff shove on the river. Arguably, it’s a mistake to assume that he is skilled man of mystery and far different than the overall pool.

@pot_kivach160

11 ай бұрын

no clue what you're trying to bring up.

Haven't seen the reveal. Hero's image is also a very important factor to consider in these spots. Against players who will fold anything that isn't nutted vs a shove villain can shove with a moderate value range. Very good low stakes example hand, these spots are the difference between winning and losing and they are always very player and self image dependent imo.

Lol @ Barts reaction to hearing it’s 1/2 😂

This is a good heads-up play by the opponent. At this level especially, players aren't checking over-pairs like AA, KK, QQ or a flopped set of Jacks against 3 players. So on the turn the caller is really capped at one pair. However at this level, most players won't have the cajones to go for the river shove bluff after being called on the turn l.

@TheTree1

5 күн бұрын

I haven't got the reveal yet I just saw what the river is I would've jammed this turn with king queen over the raise. It's almost impossible for me to even find a hand the villain has value it's just very few combos but he has a shit ton of semibluffs. So just jammed in see if they wanna call with their draw and hope they don't hit.

U would be a great ambassador for the game. Congrats on getting close to 100k. Sure u will be there by end of year.

I’ve gotten beat quite a bit in 3 bet pots by k4 q4 suited and flop 2 pair. Very sneaky

At 1/2(Texas doesnt count), when they jam the river for a pot sized bet, they have it. There are exceptions, but you'll know who rhose players are, like the caller discussed. If you're not sure they have this bluff in them, they have a made hand. The raise on the turn os baffling, but.. that's how 1/2 gpes sometimes. Reasonable possibility that he thought he had apades in hand, not clubs.

I may fold to the turn raise given the nature of small stack players. Guys are real trappy at this level.

@thaThRONe

11 ай бұрын

Interesting play. Most guys aren't capable of this.

@KyprosEc

11 ай бұрын

At this level they aren't capable of these moves . I thought they had 5 3 of spades

@1vailchris

11 ай бұрын

Yeah. I was thinking about this. What is hero beating on the turn? Raising the PFR just screams top two.

I think the reason why the villain decided to check through with 53 on the flop was that an Ace on the turn or river would have such great implied odds, either because someone would get top pair and think they are good or because someone would try to represent it, that they decided that it was better than the clear bluff opportunity they had. It one of those times where he doesn’t want to ever try representing the ace, but have others do it instead. I’m not sure that it is the higher EV play long term, but I bet it was probably part of the reason, along with being the IP player in the hand. I’m also surprised that the Bart thought that 5s3s would be the only combo of the hand to raise. I’d figure that all combos would want to bluff there in the turn since it always wants folds no matter what, and 5c3c and 5h3h represent such clearly good bluff jams in the river to blanks. The hero could be betting the turn with a bunch of “better” combo draws and queens that the villain’s best line is to be as aggressive as possible to get as many folds as possible.

@pot_kivach160

11 ай бұрын

V had all reasons to check flop and not to bet.

@adamseidel9780

11 ай бұрын

Also villain probably just wasn’t interested at trying to get a bluff through 3 players when he could just take a free card and evaluate

That is a really weird hand. I've never seen people play like this at 1 2. Just goes to show every player has different tendencies.

@famtorres2342

11 ай бұрын

Who knows what he would have done if he missed. Probobly check at a 1-2 table…

Folding river based on having Ks. Sure he's repping thin value but he's also repping thin in terms of bluffs and I think we block a lot of them.

9:23 in don't know the opponets hand yet I'm saying this all in seems like suited ace of diamonds type hand that figures they can only win by getting you to fold

Player type would have alot to with whether I make this call or not. From my player pool, there's only a handful of guys who could do that as a bluff

Bart, if you use the term lowjack, then what is MP? 1:25 in the video.

yeah i agree to the guy saying that he would fold against an unknown

I immediately thought c/o can have QJ or some big draw. Yes he can have a set, but when its checked to him on the flop 4 handed, he should be betting a set here the majority of the time. They can also c/b top pair for some pot control even 4handed., since at these stakes some players think QJ is not a bet on J42. AQ is never a thing at these limits imo. Purely on the fact that the vast majority of players at these limits never find a raise turn and shove river without ever having it, its a fold every day of the week for me. You also have the K spades which is a tiny bit relevant. Very interesting hand!

I was thinking jamming the turn. There are a ton of draws out there.

8:45 35 of spades will raise at turn.

Well played by the villain 👍

Any chance to blocker bet for small size oop instead of checking river?

@EllieBanks333

11 ай бұрын

Hero has less behind than is in the pot.

@Gos1234567

11 ай бұрын

Nah youll only fold out hands you beat (the bluffs) or get called or raised by better,

@joey86bu1

11 ай бұрын

@@Gos1234567 Ya my thinking was to not have to make a hard choice on the river by a bluff.

Some 2-5 players play at 1-2 because it's easier.

@pot_kivach160

11 ай бұрын

sandbagging!

And I just watched the end

I think u fold with a K of spades or diamond. And call if u had a ❤️ or club. K10 seems like a reasonable bluff from villain. 53 is just stupid.

Wow reraise and then get lucky😤😤😤

I've found at the low stakes that very few people bluff multi-way. And if they do, they normally have equity - as is probably preached. It's also very common for low stakes tables to be relatively loose, and it wouldn't entirely surprise me if the villain showed a hand like two pair Jack 4 suited, Jack Queen suited etc. I just don't think you're good here 50% of the time.

I felt 3-5 clearly on that river

I think you're going to get shown sets of deuces or 4s here a ton

Hero opens from MP and LJ calls? Does EP not exist any more? Anything before LJ has to he ep right? Utg8 Utg7 LJ hJ Co Btn Sb Bb Or utg \ utg1 however you want to label it but its not a MP open. When I hear MP its usually referred to as LJ or HJ.

@88mphDrBrown

11 ай бұрын

People use all sorts of different terminology. Some people label positions MP, MP1, MP2, MP3. My guess is that hero normally calls Utg+2 "MP" 9 handed, so he's just using the same names but in his scheme the HJ doesn't exist.

@RunItTw1ce4858

11 ай бұрын

@@88mphDrBrown if LJ exist then HJ exist... He said LJ called. So he uses Mp1 Mp2 LJ HJ co?

@88mphDrBrown

11 ай бұрын

@@RunItTw1ce4858 The problem is that people already use completely different naming systems for 9 handed. We are already not all on the same page to start off, so changing it to irregular 8 seat names makes it even worse. Like you I learned poker with "MP" not being the name of a seat, but a reference to LJ and HJ. Some people use "MP" as the name for utg+2. Personally I'd use the same naming scheme you showed. Some people use schemes with "MP1" and "MP2" as seat names. I can't say with certainty what he's doing because I don't know where he started or what he removed. It's possible he's in the 4th seat (utg+1) and calling it "MP" or the 5th seat.

Cha'alt!

This scenario sucks for this player… I feel like he played everything right and 5-3 almost impossible to sniff out

I think it's a sigh call.

From my experience, low stakes people are fairytale believers, as long as they have the slimmest chance for a draw they would go all in believing they will get there. So yeah I will def call that on the turn and fold on the river

Am I the only one that thought a shove on the turn was a good play? Or does everyone think that’s an over aggressive leak?

More than anything, this just highlights the nonsense plays you see at 1-2.

@karlinchina

11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't call it a nonsense play because it works often enough. V definitely got lucky, but most players in the caller's position will fold either turn or river to a bluff. V has the outs to hit his hand, plus bluff outs with either flush draw.

@AT-bw4cm

11 ай бұрын

@@karlinchina Lucky? There's possibly 21 out of 33 cards that could make a flush. Plus 8 of clubs and hearts that make a straight that a thinking player like caller might fold thinking villain had 109. Maybe hero even folds top 2 10% of the time which also makes the straight for 109.

@Gos1234567

11 ай бұрын

I didnt like the turn play by V as he cant really rep a set or two pair in last position with that flush,i wouldve snap called that jam due to logic and analysis but of course....logic goes out the window sometimes lol. Only thing is if we saw this at a triton game we would be lauding V for playing "outside the Box"

@AT-bw4cm

11 ай бұрын

@@Gos1234567 How hard is it play to play a set in position this way? When it checks to you on the flop, it's likely nobody has anything. If someone catches up with value, like in this spot, you have them drawing dead. If they pickup a draw on the turn and bet, you have them in bad shape with a raise. A front door flush comes in less than 20% of the time on the turn. If it comes and someone bets, it's an easy call and evaluate on the river.

@Gos1234567

11 ай бұрын

@@AT-bw4cm Faulty logic there,you are analysing this as if against one player,this is multiway.missing out on lots of value by not betting a set on the flop.

CRUSH Low Stakes Live Poker by learning what One Concept?

These are the kind of people I play with all the time I never know what the f*** they've got because they make these just outrageous plays I mean I know it's good for the game but damn it gets difficult sometimes

Playing multiway pots is difficult. Playing multiway pots and also OOP is very difficult. If you play live poker maybe you can know little about playing bvb, but multyway pots and OOP play are a must study. As said the bet size on the turn was the mistake and the start of the disaster. A little bit of study and you know a 25% pot size bet or a ceck was the correct move on the turn and would have saved you a lot of money (still lose the pot of course) even on this unlucky runout

Maybe raise to more than $15? 4 callers is to much imo.

This is a set 90% of the time

@johns783

11 ай бұрын

and 53 8% of the time.

@Gos1234567

11 ай бұрын

why do sets check back that flop IP?

Hero capped to naked queen and AK imo…. Very exploitable.

@pot_kivach160

11 ай бұрын

not (exploitable) in this case. He made a wrong call.

@jonduberman2573

11 ай бұрын

A naked Q is a ton of 2 pair combos on this board

Villain's play is terrible on every street but the river.

53 of clubs re raising turn is about as donk as it gets... good grief..

So you crush low stakes with a delayed semi-bluff check-raise on the turn in a 4-way pot...? Surely that's not the lesson here..?

@Gos1234567

11 ай бұрын

I think the lesson is fold no matter how many bluffs are out there and dont bother using logic,they will just have it when they bet big on river!

Sit long enough and you will see him draining his stack to others...

Every CLP video be like Before watching: oh cool I can’t wait to learn THIS secret to OBLITERATE my opponents! After: damn that was a sick hand

Perfect example of why you cannot "crush" low stakes poker. Between people calling your preflop raises with 3-5 off, and the size of the drop, you can never really get very much ahead while you wait for your inevitable bad beat.

@adamseidel9780

11 ай бұрын

People calling you with 35o is exactly why you can crush live poker

@K0rbendal1as

10 ай бұрын

@@adamseidel9780exactly bro if they run it 100 times he 35 loses 90% of the time

Just tag him as button clicking idiot and move on

Perfect example of low stakes BS that no amount of GTO study will ever prepare you for.

@mortalhordewarrior9285

11 ай бұрын

You'd be surprised, the solvers are getting more and more advanced. You could feasible say that this villain playing 53cc is opening with 70% of hands on the cutoff, and use that info to solve and give you new 3betting ranges and general check/bet/call frequencies.

@AT-bw4cm

11 ай бұрын

@@mortalhordewarrior9285 GTO 100bb presolved charts have cutoff calling with 53 suited, after mp open and highjack call, 7% while calling less than 6% of total hands. 70% of hands would include hands like Q5 offsuit.

The content is great but you really need to stop with the garbage clickbait titles. It makes you look like a scammer. Crush low stakes by learning this one concept!!! Would you buy something from someone who said that?

No one’s crushing anything 😂 you’re gambling