"Honestly in my experience it doesn't take too long to seduce someone" Alright Casanova Jon, you sure you want to be saying that in a video Clare has edited.

@KashouWannabe

3 жыл бұрын

Just send them a chocolate boot.

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

Remember, his experience has Conner in it. The man may have fathered every noble in the court born during his reign. You couldn't stop him form seducing people, Jon tried. That'll skew your dataset and lead to anomalous conclusions.

@nessesaryschoolthing

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, she knows

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

I kinda think he was missing out the point that the seducer intrigue tree is gold for female rules. That 40 attraction opinion pretty much means everyone in your kingdom of male vassals are simping you real hard.

@victorcharlie5054

3 жыл бұрын

Came straight from the video to the comments looking for this lol

"When has anyone ever been threatened by a non vassal peasant uprising" Me, mid reconquista, dealing with with repeated 200% religious inspired peasant uprisings like clockwork: "..."

@LuizOtavioZen

3 жыл бұрын

I just got around to creating the Hispanic empire, can't say that it was easy, especially starting as any of the jimena brothers.

@ChlorideCull

3 жыл бұрын

Another classic one is playing as a Norse character and trying to conquer the British isles, it takes a while to get back from there

@Truthorfib

3 жыл бұрын

Luiz Zen I made the empire as well and had a bunch of badass titles to the previous rulers like Santiago "Sword of the Blessed Virgin" and stuff haha. I was also able to ensure only Geniuses ran the empire for many years through Elective Monarchy and marriages xD It was real fun.

@LuizOtavioZen

3 жыл бұрын

@@Truthorfib Nice, my new run is to absolute get rid of all Karling blood starting as a count Edit: From this time on the filthy Karling blood shall not tarnish Europe anymore. The purge is done

@OmnipotentSeal

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta schedule your wars around peasant rebellions. You can get some good Knights from them though - just be sure to force conversion!

"Meritocracy is brilliant... Of course, not for everyone". Quote of the year

@hugmonger

3 жыл бұрын

I am like 300% sure Jon didnt get or intend that and that makes it so much better

@nundzi1548

3 жыл бұрын

Recognizes the impossibility of meritocracy due to the simple fact that chance exists

@hugmonger

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas-xd4cx Nah what makes an objective meritocracy impossible is our own biases and the fact that we seek to make them true.

@hugmonger

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas-xd4cx What metric do you think Meritocracy can actually be measured on that wouldn't within say, 3 cycles start filtering for in group preference?

@hugmonger

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thomas-xd4cx So then you are saying a Meritocracy based solely on Merit is indeed impossible.

You can actually get more than 35 xp per month, the rate is affected not only by the level of education, but by some inheritable traits as well, such as quick, intelligent and genius.

@AJBuwalda

3 жыл бұрын

Also you can get an extra 10% from your Dynasty Lagacy

@Mechalibur

3 жыл бұрын

You also get an exp bonus if you're on your liege's council, based on the role.

@darkpixel1128

3 жыл бұрын

plus events

@SangsungMeansToCome

3 жыл бұрын

plus special buildings, plus traits like herbalist

@horserage

3 жыл бұрын

If christian, you can get a tenet that flat out gives you 20% learning exp, Esotericism gives you a 100 piety for 300 learning exp flip (with other gubbins) every 5 years, Astrology gives you a random -2 +2 stat with the +2 getting 25% exp, Stonehenge in Salisbury (IF you build it, I think) gives you +2 Learning, 15% learning exp and -20% conversion cost, house of wisdom in baghdad gives you +15% monthly in each and a bunch of other shit if built, Al-Azhar University, 10% to all, same with The University of Sankoré, other benefits for both too. Plus seeing a comet as a gregarious (personality), ugly level 3 or a reclusive (coping mechanism) gives you +6 diplomancy, +4 martial AND +50% Fucking Monthly Martial Lifestyle Experience, equal to a base level 1 mental and PEAK education. Loooooots of ways to improve it.

You can't just "roleplay" away all the stress. If you're shy or paranoid, you need stress reduction. Shy gets you stress on a ridiculous amount of things, and paranoid gets you a whopping 20 stress just for inviting someone to court.

@HydrikMasqued

3 жыл бұрын

Its bloody annoying but I understand the reasoning, good trait for vassals bad for your characters

@nutsense868

3 жыл бұрын

stress level 1 is ok. its only -10% fertility + 1 coping mechanism which is usually enough to keep you at level 1 or lower.

@jeremyh1019

3 жыл бұрын

If your ruler has shy or paranoid, you're better off just maxing out their stress asap to kill them off as soon as you have a decent heir. Not worth investing your time into that character

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

With Family and council tree and about 20 friends you can forget about stress because you can't get any. So it don't really matter what traits you have.

@JamesL0717

3 жыл бұрын

Compassionate is also pretty terrible if you take intrigue route. Anyways as someone said it before, raise a decent heir and die from stress is the best way to go if you have someone shy.

If you're looking for a guide on a particular lifestyle; Diplomacy - 3:44 Martial - 30:02 Intrigue - 49:20 Stewardship - 1:05:30 Learning - 1:18:13

@Gary-jd8rv

3 жыл бұрын

Hi I just want to say I love your channel

@ChulioRCHulio

3 жыл бұрын

I guess douchebag as a lifestyle is not a choice - it´s a necessity

@Orcalami

3 жыл бұрын

I cant afford this game so I watch videos about the game

@MrGhosta5

3 жыл бұрын

Jon golden obligations can give much more then 50 gold. 50 gold is just the base. Spiff was extorting 150+ gold every 5 years from his strong hooks in the HRE. As for finding secrets you need to think about were everyone actually lives. Most kings and dukes live in their lieges capital as councilors or knights. The king of Greece does not live in Athens. The king of Greece lives in Constantinople because he's a knight/councilor in the emperor's court. What you do is send your spymaster to Constantinople so he can discover secrets of the kings of Greece, Thrace, Epirus, Anatolia, Bulgaria etc. you then blackmail them for a strong hook which lets you extort them for hundreds of gold each every 5 years. Golden obligations is trash in Africa as Africa is mostly poor tribal counts and duchies. Tribal governments focus on generating prestige over gold as prestige is their primary currency. Golden obligations is absolutely broken in central Europe do to the large number of wealthy kings and dukes.

@liammarsh1585

3 жыл бұрын

Well, this is all very well organised isn't it?

Lifestyle perks such as "diplomat" don't just give you what they say, they also give you extra options in events!

@ChaoticNeutralMatt

3 жыл бұрын

I figured that was the case, but I assume he hasn't gone into what they are.

@magmakojote1663

3 жыл бұрын

oh yes, I had the scholar trait once and my character always found the best physicians, usually way better than the two other standard choices you get.

@seby826

3 жыл бұрын

i honestly think the befriend and sway perks should have been in diplomat

@magnuscarlsson9969

3 жыл бұрын

And befriend ain't just a simple "stronger sway" If you befriend your council you get a massive +50% boost on their abilities. So a diplomat with 20 score effectively increase the prestige gain from 1.0 -> 1.5 / Month and the opinion up from 10 -> 15, the same applies to the De-jure drift she whould get 0.5 in power per month. A 20 Skill Marshal would lower the maintenance of man-at-arms / levi size by 35(25)%, remove 6(4)% corruption or have nearly 10(6.66)% chance to improve commanders every month etc. Diplomacy tree is be far the strongest one for Tribal, but the point which gives the most are; Befriend. I always start every new Character picking up groomed to rule and befriend, even on characters without the focus. By the time you get two points you can swap anyway, unless you get bonus xp events(Then i stay untill I get a clean switch) or have diplomacy as a lifestyle, then you probably want to remain there longer. First I always seduce my spouse, making him/her a lover, then I romance them for a massive prestige bump, then i befriend my council, since befriend is basicly worth ~10 points It's the perfect way to "avoid the issue" of horrible powerful vassals having horrible stats. I haven't payed attention to if befriending the spouce have any empowerment, but romancing them makes their aid effects more frequent. I'm currently trying to build a Schytian Empire, which means roles are reversed and everything is Matrilineal(Even male adultry Is highly illegal while It's legal for females etc.). Gild is not a issue since my Spouce get the "extra taxes" effect from domain focus very often.

@seby826

3 жыл бұрын

@@magnuscarlsson9969 i don't even bother getting married early, since i don't want to disinherit the siblings of my heir. i tend have a bunch of lovers with good trait, legitimized my favorite/ best bastard and marry the others off to other rulers for extra renown, by like the third gen with luck and patience, you should have a character with all three main traits ( beauty, robust, intelligent) to unlock strong blood decision for the whole dynasty

Jon: *trashes the idea of using fabricated hooks for money* Spiffing Brit: Let me show you how to break the game over your knee by using fabricated hooks for money.

@davidbodor1762

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah he really underestimated how OP that is. Even without fabricating them just naturally having hooks on your kids in a large enough empire (which 2-3 heirs down the line you should have) is absolutely overpowered.

@AnonSeacat

3 жыл бұрын

Well, fabricating hooks for money isn't very efficient... compared to just finding real secrets and getting paid for those. Fabricating hooks is more for forcing someone to like vote for you or do some other specific thing.

@AnonSeacat

3 жыл бұрын

After playing with it a bit, I take it back. Someone who goes down the full schemer path to twice-schemed is going to be able to fabricate so many hooks, selling them is easy and you'll still have spares to make people do what you want. Just make sure to target people with close to 300 gold, because that's the max you can get for a hook.

@chilled_legumes

3 жыл бұрын

​@@AnonSeacat Yeah, combine that with the extort subjects perk and you can make so much money its not even funny. Also, i have targeted people with loads of gold before, and the max i was ever able to get is 110. Maybe its related to title tier?

@Arbaaltheundefeated

3 жыл бұрын

As far as I'm concerned... the most broken recipe in this game goes somewhere along the line of 'Be Tribal, take Truth is Relative, Golden Obligations then dip into the relevant perks of August and Torturer to cheese the shit out of Prestige gain.'. At that point - admittedly going to be fairly late in your ruler's life - they can just have a building project going in every little holding at all times making your nation a complete powerhouse in a few years, maxed Men-at-Arms without even noticing the costs, swiftly get the fame and prestige to wage any kind of wars you want, even Invasion wars practically at will with the first perk in Strategist too, it's amazing.

"How often is someone trying to kill you?" If you listen carefully, you can hear the King of Leon laughing as he stabs you in the back AND the front.

The selling titles decision is a trade of prestige for gold, not actually selling landed titles

@subspace666

3 жыл бұрын

he did have the game for a month he said so maybe they nerfed it or something and forgot to change the name of the perk lol.

@84elmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@subspace666 the name is proper, you are selling titles like sir or lady or Thane of Whiterun, pointless landless titles that only give prestige to bearer.

@subspace666

3 жыл бұрын

@@84elmer hmm didnt think of that this way, but was that even a thing back then landless titles like this ?

@84elmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@subspace666 I think it was. As for ingame flavour, when I used it, it was a rich merchant that asked me to support her claim that we were distant relatives so she could get an even better business. She didn't get any real title or even appear anywhere on the dynasty tree, it was more like "my uncle works at nintendo" situation.

@thundersheild926

3 жыл бұрын

@@84elmer only you then pay a random guy at Nintendo to pretend to be your uncle.

I think the Close family perks help more if you're dealing with siblings especially those that might be gunning for your territory so in that way it's more useful when all your spares try to turn on you as the heir.

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

Right. Clearly designed to mitigate dynastic infighting.

@ShummaAwilum

3 жыл бұрын

And dealing with those pesky kinslayer penalties.

@Vermbraunt

3 жыл бұрын

Also helps when you are the dynasty head and you disinherit all but one child because you don't what the realm to split

@nicktubby9710

2 жыл бұрын

Kinslayer, dynastic infighting, multiple heirs, succession trouble? *laughs in celibacy*

I love to think that Jon was still a bit salty about being left out of the pre-release tutorials, so he just made his own.

@tommerker8063

3 жыл бұрын

he realy is not the right person to make tutorials on this game, he has a rather limited understanding of the game mechanics.

@Ashannon888

2 жыл бұрын

@@tommerker8063 Yeah a full year later and I can safely say this review is completely rubbish. And seeing the game hasn't changed all that much, means most of JOn's complaints were rubbish when he made it.

I have 100+ hooks in my current playthrough and have gotten about 5000 gold already from Golden obligations just from 1 character's lifetime. It's OPAF. I didn't even fabricate any hooks, just released prisoners for hooks occasionally and have a large ass family. The key to using this is just to not ever think about hooks, just let the game progress naturally and every time the popup comes up for 'you can demand payment' just use it.

@Skydragonace

3 жыл бұрын

^^^ This. 100%. Throughout the course of the game, you get so many changes to get a hook of some kind on someone, to the point where having one on them is pointless. Therefore, it's not a bad call to just sell off the hook for a bit of excess cash. In addition, if want stupid amounts of money, just send your spymaster into the court of the HRE to find secrets (Or another huge kingdom/empire). Since the court is the center of vassal congregation, you have a chance to come across any of the court's or ruler's vassal's secrets during that time. Secrets of which you might not have another use for. At the very least, you can get tons of gold for this if you need a job for your spymaster to do.

@davidbodor1762

3 жыл бұрын

@@Necrotic99 Late-game I get 300 per weak hook. It's friggin insane. Depending on how economical you go that can be anywhere between 3 and 30 months of income.

@onlychild5213

2 жыл бұрын

Treat it like they are buying a pardon from you which you can always just rebook them later lol

Wait "i dont see why you would want to seduce a close family member" the steam reviews seem to imply that is THE ONLY THING Crusader kings is about.... that and getting your horse on the council.

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

They know their audience. They're just making us work a little more for it.

@hagalathekido

3 жыл бұрын

correct, the empire building and strategy comes second

@Raigaara

3 жыл бұрын

Lol he just doesn't know how busted seducing your family members is. You would rather seduce family members with good congenital traits than pretty much everyone else. breed some genius children and just get free +5 to all stats ez

@larrote6467

2 жыл бұрын

@@morganrobinson8042 I've never got that part: in all my hours playing ck2 and ck3 I have never had an incestuous relationship, it seems like all negatives to me. Also, controlling succession is not that hard: marry at 30-35, use things like celibate and chaste, don't seduce anyone (to me, the most useless skill) and you'll be able to play from 867 to around 1100 without much troubles. Your cousins can all have huge families of course, but from my perspective people that complain about gavelkind are really bad at strategic planning

"you're close family loves you anyway" while drinking poisoned wine with a knife in your back

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think he really didnt know much about the game at the point of making this. Like the guy I started with had like 15kids so all the territory nearby is ruled by my family members anyway its better for them to not be gunning for me for being papas favorite kid. Also he doesnt seem to know you can just in learning prioritize in one tree and instantly when you go to poor health or something you can just regenerate your old man by swapping all your points into the health tree if you still wanna live another 20years or so.

@Sanches7557

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jebu911 it would be real bomb to make “Family focus tree” to strengthen the relationships among your children for the future benefit, so that the moment you are sent to cemetery, your 15+ kids will not try to kill each other

Seducer is in general a lot more powerful if you are a female ruler in a male-dominated society (or vice versa, I suppose, that is quite possible in the game now) since the attraction bonus will apply to most of your vassals.

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! You get the entire world simping over you quite nicely with that 40+ opinion boost.

@thepizzafoogle5481

3 жыл бұрын

Ah, but if your unlucky, you'll get another problem nine months later

Just want to add that the "Sell Titles" decision doesn't actually give away duchy/count/kingdom titles, it only gives away minor titles that doesn't exist or change anything for you in exchange for gold/prestige/renown/opinion. It's nearly strictly a positive trait

@CosmicAeon

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it's important to get that info out there. It's a bit of a silly/confusing in-game description but you're not actually "selling" anything at all. It's just free money basically, like "extort subjects" but with less harsh negatives.

@obvioustroll2256

3 жыл бұрын

For a one and a half hour video he missed a lot of stuff.

@KittenCritters

3 жыл бұрын

@@obvioustroll2256 Sadly it's pretty common for his videos lately, seems to be more important to just shove out video after video with new releases then to actually sit down and say correct information

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

@@KittenCritters Its sad that he didnt even bother to test it. Lets say it was selling a county what if you were getting paid like 500gold for it then it would be amazing. But because he was too lazy to even test it he made the video far worse for it. Also he seems to ignore the benefit of rerolling all your skillpoints to quickly fill another skilltree for like in learning you can just regen your guy to live a lot longer.

@Itsmuddy5

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'd completely avoided this tree because I'd assumed the same thing he did about it sadly. Once I figured out it didn't this became one of my favorite trees especially if still building up holdings. Never run out of gold and I can stay at war forever without getting negative income which I found myself in pretty often with other trees.

Also John. In regards to Detailed Ledgers. All Burghers and Mayors are counted as Republic Vassals, so that sould give you 15% from ALL your city holdings.

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

15% from 20% = 23% instead of 20%. Additionally every middleman takes his cut count->duke->king->emperor.

I'll be honest, I dont agree with Jon on a lot of these points. I feel the ones he thinks are "trash" are just ones that don't apply to his playstyle. I feel every bonus is still a bonus. There's some neat synergies that I'm sure some really clever players could really exploit. Now, what I did learn from this is the use of Romance and Elope. Thats really cool and I didn't know that was a thing. I romanced my wife in my game and had no idea you could use it to bypass marraige restrictions.

@mateuszkarpacki9331

3 жыл бұрын

Preach, sibling!

@magnuscarlsson9969

3 жыл бұрын

Well to be fair I usually don't like the intrigue tree It's way to specialized and once your empire hit a certain point... Intrigue just becomes way to slow to keep up with the changes that happends around you. It's more of the "I'm a vassal so I'll kick me liege in dah balls" tree, because when you are a ruler yourself you either want some decent diplomacy or strong troops to prevent enemies from ganging up on you, which all the other lifestyles somehow provide for you. Intrigue do give you some tools to reduce the enemies but at the same time you undermine your own dynasty... :-\

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and i think the fact that in learning tree you can at old age just swap the other skill points straight into the health one so you can regenerate your old character to live another 20years or so easily at the cost of only 100 stress. Ive done this so my guy lives up to 80+years easily. Especially nice if you wanna outlive your first son whose stats suck ass compared to the kids that came after him and you are not in a position to just murder the son. Also the seducer tree is nice for female leader so you can get the whole planet simping over you but on male its pretty meh unless for some reason everyone on the planet is geh

@hitomisalazar4073

2 жыл бұрын

Well I think the one he really underestimated is the Architect Tree myself. Consider say, my last run. Where I never, ever used the Steward Job of "Promote Development". But I did however have a lot of rulers with Centralization out of that tree. I ended up with the second most advanced county on the entire map development wise (I had a vassal next to me who was constantly using promote development who sometimes kept up). It's just that powerful. Not to mention over the course of the game I legitimately saved probably up towards a million gold off building discounts as I developed not only my own land but that of vassals in my realm (Particularly so they'd have adequate defenses against internal revolts and claimants because after installing a ruler of my culture and religion in an area I just took over last thing I want is to see them instantly deposed by a claimant faction because they don't have enough clout to resist it), which the money saved could be gifted out to secure the position of my character or their vassals against threats (I really wish you had a way to gift any amount of gold you wanted instead of sometimes having to send 20 gifts in a row to give them the coin to buy the mercenaries they need to deal with a threat). He says it's the worst. I say it's one of the best that is always worth kind of picking up as at least a secondary tree to pick. Way more than say, the Greed tree or the Duty tree under Stewardship. The bonuses like discounted building time and cost don't seem "sexy" but it's one of the few perks that basically have a permanent effect on the game, as the buildings do carry over from character to character. Being able to save that 20% cost Now means you got that much more time that a building is in play.

I love that Paradox took focus away from stuff like managing holds and technology by streamlining it in a way similar to Stellaris, and put the real in-depth stuff on the character development and interactions. The game makes me feel much more connected to the world around me and especially the stress system is great at not just having every play through devolve into having a baby-eating, world conquering, lunatic that most of my builds in the last game usually became.

"What percentage of your time are you fighting revolts?" Have you ever tried increasing Crown Authority just a little bit?

@raihanurrahman503

3 жыл бұрын

ikr! everytime my character dies, the heir has to face another revolt

@dabtican4953

3 жыл бұрын

@@raihanurrahman503 Ugh so annoying, also I am shit at succesion.

@thepizzafoogle5481

3 жыл бұрын

@@dabtican4953 If ur a king, you can make the kids that are in line to inherit something dukes in your realm. It stops them from getting anything else. Edit: It might be a bit fiddly with confederate partition, so thats why you'll want to get hereditary rule as fast as possible

Jon, the Architect tree is GREAT, most good building take YEARS to build, Architect HALVES that. I feel like you're too hung up on what's interesting to really consider what's good. EDIT: And yeah, Chancellors should always be kept on Foreign Affairs, because that has the only event that matters: the one that can instantly end truces early.

@horserage

3 жыл бұрын

-45%, not half, but yeah, great tree.

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know man. Every time my ruler changes I have my councilor on making sweet between my vassals since I like holding onto my kingdom/empire.

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruukinen Exactly he seems to think of just the situation where your kindom is on the rise and everything is going perfectly. Not when you suddenly die and have to play as your idiot son who is destined to die at the ripe old age of 25

@daxasd3270

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jebu911 this. This happens way too often

Jon has this magical power to get me invested in anything, I didn’t care about Stellaris, now I have hundreds of hours in it. 2 months ago, I didn’t care about Crusader Kings, now I’m sat here at 11pm watching something about a game I’ll probably never play

38:38 Dunno man, that perk seems like a must for the byzantine emperor, lol.

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, or the HRE. Or France, which seems to always explode. Seriously, this could be useful if you have a large cosmopolitan population to keep things form catching too much fire.

@sacer666

3 жыл бұрын

Oh so its not just me then! Damn peasant rabble revolts like every 2 years lol

I haven't played CK II to "win" in years, role playing is where it's at. I can see even the crappier trees being great for those purposes.

@hugmonger

3 жыл бұрын

You know.... my problem with the trees is that not many of them seem to open up new mechanics which is what I wanted from them. Like Avarice is good, being able to bribe for gold is amazing. The Family Focus tree is amazing like in general. You get CK2's Meliorism perk which is dope, you can make friends which is dope, and you get The Thanksgiving Superhuman Perks which are insane +1 Skill for each Friend and Family Member is just nuts. But most of them dont seem to actually open up new ways to think about their object of focus. Like Architect is so boring, what if the end stages let you build 1 wonderous building that adds 1 to the level cap of a building

@chronoschord

3 жыл бұрын

I always wondered how grotesque I can make my descendants through inbreeding, and it's going to be glorious now that 3d models are involved.

@benjamindover2601

3 жыл бұрын

I can't be the only one that purposefully attempts to create the worse human being imaginable?

@HenriqueRJchiki

3 жыл бұрын

Lol nerd

@84elmer

3 жыл бұрын

@@hugmonger I think it would be too constraining to lock whole mechanics behind skill points, most of those that are locked there are just better versions of general ones like befriend is to sway.

Something to keep in mind is all these perks only apply for one ruler during their lifetime. So if you want to do a lot of conquering you go for control and army effectiveness to secure the realm, then the next guy can disregard most of that and just focus on making money and piety. Prestige will probably be taken care of from the conquering and fame the first guys builds.

I've actually found that demand payment for hooks is really good, but only if you're part of or near a big court. For example, if you plop down your spymaster to find secrets in the HRE court, you're basically pulling in a strong hook every couple of months. If any of those people (say, the Queen or King of Bohemia, for example) have a mine, they're pulling in LOADS of cash every month. In fact there are multiple mines in the HRE at the 1066 start. With a strong hook that doesn't expire (non-fabricated), you're demanding payment from them every five years. There's something that also pushes up the amount of gold you get from these interactions (can't figure out if it's prestige or dynasty renown or realm size), so I'm currently pulling in around 200 gold for every strong hook, and I'm getting somewhere around 2-3 payments over the lifetime of that person/hook. With somewhere around 3-5 strong hooks at any given time, I'm getting something in the range of 2000-3000 gold over a character's lifetime just for grabbing that one perk at the beginning of their reign.

@rigs9801

3 жыл бұрын

And now that I've fully seen that part of your video, I'm noticing something odd - you're NOT getting the inflated payments. I wonder if it's a bug in the game version since launch? Or if that inflation comes from something else. My current character has a higher level of prestige & piety, but I wouldn't think that would affect how much money you receive in payments. Maybe the inflation is actually a function of the game inflating other costs for the player character? Like how going on a pilgrimage becomes vastly more expensive the more money/land you have?

@azraeldusk2154

3 жыл бұрын

@@rigs9801 yeah, inflation affects everything from what I have noticed. What you pay gets inflated, so does what you get paid.

Having a claim makes me able to revoke without tyrany? I wish I knew that before but Glad I know it now.

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

Right? I have never seen that played out.

Selling title doesn't actually hand out your lands, only minor titles. In practice you spend prestige to get money. Base line you get 12 months of income (before expenses) for 150 prestige every two years. Sometimes less money but with half prestige refunded or a weak hook. Basically free money if you have more than enough prestige for CBs. Extort subjects isn't too bad. Often it has an option of 12 months of income for 10 tyranny and 20 dread. The tyranny doesn't matter because vassals can't rebel due to dread. Worth taking advantage of if you don't have other sources of dread. Blackmail for money is quite good in my opinion. Count the number of expired hooks you have had, about half of that can be turned into 6 month of income (if you find a lover couple, chances are one of them is landed). You don't always have a use for hooks and it adds up over time. Remember a strong hook can be used every 5 years and you can fabricate them from the intrigue tree. It gets quite ridiculous when you place a strong hook on every fellow vassal...

@magicaltomatoes

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the amount of money you can generate with this tree can get pretty insane, if you have a greedy character +10% tax, +10% from focus, +15% avarice. then you add the two gold interactions and selling hooks + the debase currency event that pops fairly often. I've had single county counts in early game generate more gold than kings

I personally think investing in the Restraint and Know Thyself branch of Whole of Body is worth more than you give it credit for considering that you said on the livestream that players will be having Gavelkind for more of their runs in CK3 than in CK2. Both of those perks are really useful in controlling succession

@Jebu911

3 жыл бұрын

Yep also you can prioritize on the scholar one first and at old age swap to the health one to keep your reign of terror going a bit further if you want to reach empire to not split your kindom when your son gets it.

@larrote6467

2 жыл бұрын

Personally i have very little troubles with gavelkind: i usually marry by 30-35, celibacy and chaste work very well and when i do have more than one possible heir usually they die before succession. I have never in ck2 or ck3 have had to go for interramrriage. I dont get others: It's not that hard

I disagree with your assesment of the "Overseer" tree. Absolute control + Enduring Hardships is really good, because every county that you get to 100 will not go down again except for events since sieges and raids no longer hurts control. I believe that, as the game progresses and you build up your provinces the multiplier becomes more relevant.

@HoneyBadgerVideos

3 жыл бұрын

It's the first I went for in 2 of my characters. The boost is noticeable and having very strong control in an expanding kingdom is great.

@benjamminraps1030

3 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, have discovered that if your Liege has Absolute Control perk, your counties are able to gain Absolute Control and grant you that bonus, so it seems to flow down, making it not as worthless a Perk as first thought, unless that's a bug?

@thiagooshiro4857

3 жыл бұрын

@@HoneyBadgerVideos I begin playing as Alfred of Dorset in 867, and good Lord if you don't have this perk, the control in your provinces goes to hell because of all the raiding and war

The thing is with Confidants is that it gets VERY good when you put more time into it, Flatterer helps alleivate that time. Because Confidants doesn't help you LOSE stress, it helps PREVENT stress. That means 20 friends *completely negates all stress* unless you have something increasing your stress gain. Stack Carefree and Whole of Body on top and you only need 12 friends. However, this still doesn't make Carefree good, you still need a ton of friends, and 4 extra isn't many. Especially since it clashes with Mental Resilence, which works best with the X per Level of Stress perks.

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

Having 20 friends in the game is trivial and you wanna have more than that anyway due to the friends giving +2 stats. Every diplomacy guy I've ever built has always had at least 20 friends.

*slaps down 200 duchets* Jon: "IN FAIR VERONA WE SET OUR SCENE..."

@morganrobinson8042

3 жыл бұрын

"Oh My god Becky, look at her butt, it is so big..."

I've been more excited for Jon's coverage of the game than for the actual game itself ever since it was announced.

@100dead

3 жыл бұрын

Same here honestly, the game's too complex for me, and even though Jon allows his videos to get lengthy, they are almost never boring or overwhelming.

@mokkaveli

3 жыл бұрын

Edward Nichols there’s a lot of homework but once you learn enough about paradox games it’s well worth it, hundreds of hours worth of content. Not too complex, just a few hours of getting to grips with the mechanics!

@Septimus_ii

3 жыл бұрын

So was I, but I'm now also very excited to play it myself too. When does it go on a nice big sale?

@FuckthisYTnumbers

3 жыл бұрын

@@Septimus_ii it's on Game Pass for PC.

@balduccioliv

3 жыл бұрын

@@100dead too complex, how hard reading can be

"you might not have enough children to have that many alliances" don't ever talk to me or my 16 children in my current ck2 game ever again

@Alorand

3 жыл бұрын

The limit is the stacking negative penalties to getting them married off.

@Amazatastic

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alorand haha yeah I know

@chilled_legumes

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alorand The perk right before it makes it where you don't need a marriage to negotiate an alliance.

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alorand I have had 16 alliances in my Sultan of Persia run so yeah. 16 diplomacy is something like 32 general opinion modifier which is pretty huge,

I feel like a lot of useless trees hide unique powerful events as rewards for those who complete them, kind of promotes a lack of adherence to a meta and also makes them game more fun if you end up having to play an heir that doesn't have any good stats for the really good trees. Additionally, since republics and other type of rulers are not in the game yet, I imagine that some trees which are currently useless will become critical for those rulers, once they get added into the game.

The "Sell Titles" decision doesn't involve selling real titles btw, it's just a series of events like Extort Subjects that gives you a moderate amount of gold.

@Czesnek

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. It sells titles you cannot use ingame.

Golden Obligations is going to vary in it's effectiveness depending on where in the world you're playing. if your playing in Central Europe which has many rich dukes and kings you're going to be able to extort much more then playing in Africa which is mostly comprised of poor tribal counts. If you send your spy master to the capital of an empire he'll find secrets on all the kings and dukes in the empire as council members and knights live in their lieges city. So the king of Thrace most likely isn't actually living in Thrace but actually living in Constantinople because te

I dunno if I've really had the same experience re: demanding payment for hooks. I have been able to constantly farm hooks over multiple characters, earning thousands and thousands of gold per lifetime. Hands-down one of the best perks in the game imho.

59:54...Umm, Jon, are you *really* asking how often people will want to murder us in Crusader Kings?

stewardship gives a bunch of roleplay just like the other trees! it lets you roleplay being boring and organized and keeping track of small numbers. you know. what the stewardship stat is.

@horserage

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say getting new innovations quicker then anyone and having enough money to buy a fucking capitals worth of men at arm elephants is boring at all.

@1900OP

3 жыл бұрын

Extorting subjects, demanding payment to keep their secrets hidden and scamming people with minor titles. Invested a lot of money building new holdings, empire looks more alive when there are more people in it. Sadly the AI doesn't seem to build holdings or invest money, sometimes they even can't, my Ecumenical Patriarch has around 168k gold by 1300. Hmm, thinking if i can get him in my court and banish him getting all that sweet money.

@oll-turny-llo8200

2 жыл бұрын

It's also really good if you're wanting to play tall instead of just taking a load of land. maximising what you can do with a small area. development, better buildings etc. can be really powerfull a couple generations down the line if you focus on building up internally. In a recent playthrough as a scottish count I make more money than the king himself with a highly developed county.

@hitomisalazar4073

Жыл бұрын

It's funny because the "Architect" tree is one of those I almost always go down with a character given the chance. It's just that danged useful to get free Development, cheaper and faster building, increased popular opinion, etc, etc, etc. About the only thing useless for me in that tree is the Tax Man perk. Because I am never, ever, collecting Taxes with my Steward. It is the worst option to pick for them. Plus I like the events you draw from "Domain" focus like building an Aqueduct, a new road network, and finding a missing ghost village.

I intended to watch one particular lifestyle in this video and have ended up watching all of it....superb work Jon! Thank you!

"why would you ever want to go celibate" :Edward The Confessor has entered the chat: "to piss of my vassal who forced me to marry his daughter so he can take power" Edit: seriously though if your success has gone celibate and they inherit, being able to change the back is amazing (this happened to me last night in my game)

@korub1

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I made my own comment about this, but I think he undervalues Restraint and Know Thyself for controlling succession in a game where according to Jon himself good succession laws are much slower to come by

@benjamminraps1030

3 жыл бұрын

I've faced a ransom negotiation where condition for my ruler's release was taking a vow of celibacy. So the perk has some use in specific circumstances

*Golden Obligations* Jon: It's kind of a thrash thing Spiffing Brit: *Hold my Tea*

@thomaswood8405

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I agree with Jon. I don't know how Spiffing Brit got it to work, but his experience has been absolutely nothing like mine. I only got 50 gold per hook compared to Spiffing Brit's 120, and fabricating a hook took around 2 years. My spymaster would also almost never find hooks on their own, and when they did they would invariably be on people who had no money. I wonder if the HRE is just preprogrammed to have a bunch of wealthy drama whores.

@Razzlion

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaswood8405 You need to move the spymaster around between different courts, you can see how many % chance to find a secret your agent have by hovering over him when you have placed him somewhere, i milked poor count Odo for 150 gold for 25 something years the nasty little deviant, it was great. But yeah, the higher position the person you get a strong hook on the more gold you get, and the juicier the hook is the higher chance is that it sticks around for a while. Now, i played as Sweden and i got hooks on people all over the world. Need to get a good spymaster too, really helps.

@thomaswood8405

3 жыл бұрын

@@Razzlion I have moved them around numerous courts with rates of 85%-60%. I found two secrets in 30 years.

@Razzlion

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaswood8405 well, super bad luck then i guess, i was swimming in secrets

@thomaswood8405

3 жыл бұрын

@@Razzlion I've had it pretty consistently disappoint me no matter which game I play. Do you just spy on your neighbors?

really helpful video mate. learned a lot about all the other perk trees besides steward and learning as that’s all i role. the eloping thing sounds amazing and never tried it before

Splendid! Thank you for this brilliant analysis that I really needed. Well done indeed.

Watched this on my Smart TV, came back here just to add a like and a comment, because it's such a great video! Thanks Jon!

Great guide! Thanks for making it!

Great video! Very good explanation… keep the good work

I'm glad I watched the whole thing. Very insightful and useful information! Cheers!

SUMMARY: The best trees in each respective skill are in capital letters AUGUST, GALLANT, TORTURER, SCHOLAR, ADMINISTRATOR. Keep in mind every tree and every lifestyle could be useful depending on the character you're playing. DIPLOMACY- Diplomat: take defensive negotiations (maybe progress down to emabassies) , don't bother with anything else. AUGUST(majesty focus) by far the best diplomacy tree (must have if you are playing as tribal), benevolent intent is thrash but you have to take it. Patriarch- first 6 perks are thrash except the groomed to rule, gets broken when you reach the friends skill perk(befriend a lot of people and you'll get over 20 skill points), also your kids give you skill points MARTIAL- Strategist- first couple of perks are decent(the very first one is a must have on any ruler if you're planning multiple wars) Overseer- prepared consc is decent the rest is thrash. GALLANT- the right path gives you knights and friendly casualties(goes well with hit and run in the 1st tree and August tree in diplomacy) left tree gives you a bunch of romance and marriage stuff which could be useful. Last 2 perks are take or leave STEWARDSHIP- Avaricious- war profiteer and fearful troops with the Torture tree is broken, the rest is up to you. Architect- if you want to build all the buildings and increase you're defensive capabilities a bit. ADMINISTRATOR- vassals and councillors will like you more and give you more tax and levies INTRIGUE- Schemer- fabricating hooks,a job done right, and twice schemed are amazing. Seducer- like weeds in a garden (you can take this perk on every character it's quite useful) the rest is below average. TORTURER(great with the firmhand perk in August)- with the "Dread tree" you can torture people forever and lose no piety or opinion, you get more levies and tax from terrified vassals and you don't lose dread when you reach 100 LEARNING- Whole of body- take this tree if you want to live for over 70 years, can take just the right side for better life expectancy SCHOLAR- frist 6 perks are a drag, but then you get to the good stuff, the last 3 perks are all absolutely amazing, if you have a learning education take this tree!! Theologian- if you want to make your own religion this is tree for you, keep in mind it changes depending on the character you're playing

@kiinmaskovich4108

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks man, really helpful

@daddust

3 жыл бұрын

Better than the video dude discussing every single perk as if we can’t read the description.

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

Family and council is easily the best tree in diplomacy. It is probably easily the best tree in the game. Dunno what you've been smoking.

@daddust

3 жыл бұрын

Emil Riikonen Family is must take. August is ok afterwards.

@ruukinen

3 жыл бұрын

@@daddust Yeah I'm not saying August is bad. I'm just saying family and council is ridiculously good. I'm at the part in the video where he talks about learning and is going on about 20% of your councilors skills which in the best case is something like 35 points. With the befriend scheme constantly on you can easily have 20+ friends. And friends also help you with schemes have a huge opinion boost and have positive outcomes in events.

just the right blend of interesting and calm to send me to sleep! I will spend many nights watching this video, maybe one day I'll actually be awake for all of it!

Great work as always

I always pick overseer at start of my games for my first tribal character who takes over like 2 kindoms worth of countys in his lifetime. And you can always get a bit of a hit on some things by going over your limit just so you can go overboard with the amount of control you are generating making the land real good for your son to take over.

Best and most usefull guide. A beautifull explanation of every perk. Just perfect.

Thank you for doing this. For someone like myself that has never played a game like this this guide is invaluable. Kudos!

Fantastic and informative video! I loved every second of it!

Awesome explanation, thank you

Great vid! well worth the hour-and-a-half watch!

Thank you for this great guide. Since youtube is flooded with ck3 "beginner guide"s which only include stuff that the game already throws at your face, this guide was really helpful.

Excellent video, thank you

this has to be one of the most helpful guides of all time. I'll still revisit just for an "outside perspective" of the play I'm going for.

Really useful, thanks!

Extremely useful. Thankyou!!

Great video!

It seems you vastly underhyped the Overseer tree, which in my opinion is the most solid option for any Highly martial ruler that is actively expanding, First of all, Control affects the money you get from taxes, the levies you receive and it produces certain positive or negative events, control by default drops massively upon a conquest or occupation of lands, therefore if you are obtaining new lands with different cultures and Religions, you need this tree, you also said that you use the marshal to keep control on check, but that is not feasible when you acquire entire duchies in each war (Specially when playing as Vikings). The trait that increases the Threshold of Factions to issue an ultimatum is insanely good for this reason, Absolute control increases Taxes by 10% and Levies by 5% Prepared conscription reduces army maintenance which further supports the playstyle of constant warfare, overall, to any leader above count looking to become a King and then an Emperor, Overseer is the absolute best martial tree to keep your lands under your belt and work towards other stuff. Regarding Dread, this is a very strong opinion modifier to avoid revolts and get people to do what you want.

This video is very useful. Thanks!

This is great - thanks!

Your really coming in clutch with this god tier content

"Why would anyone care about peasant revolts?" Laughs when my liege's entire family gets killed/captured while fighting revolts.

Important note about the Strategist tree in Martial...your character MUST be leading the army for ANY of the troop specific perk points to count. In the Avaricisious Stewardship tree, there were some misconceptions as well. Republic vassals are ALL mayors. AKA every city holding in your personal domain. So good, considering they make the most money, by far. Selling titles doesn't sell your real titles, it sells fake minor titles, like the Keeper of the Swans and stuff from CK2. Usually it just nets you some money for basically nothing, but sometimes it can backfire.

@lordhelmchen3154

3 жыл бұрын

Wait so all the "Light Cavalry pursuit +X%" or "Pikemen toughness +X%" only applies to your player character?? Oof, and here I thought the Strategist tree was better if you have low prowess/health and prefer another knight to be commander...

@dragondai912

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordhelmchen3154 Yeah, It's REALLY easy to check. Just lead your troops, check either your supply limit. Switch yourself out for another commander, watch your supply limit drop back down to 100, then go back up to 300 when you rejoin the army as commander. Same with movement speed and Sappers (where MaA who aren't siege weapons add to siege progress). Those three are REALLY easy and quick to check. Raiding speed too if you can raid. The other ones are a lot harder to verify, but it would make sense if all the easy to verify ones are "you must be commanding for these to work" perks, that the others in the same area and with similar things would be as well.

@lordhelmchen3154

3 жыл бұрын

@@dragondai912 Thanks for the clarification. Now I feel kind of stupid for not realizing this :D That really is a bummer though, I wish they made that a faction-wide commander bonus and kept the player-specific commander stuff to the Chivalry tree.

@dragondai912

3 жыл бұрын

@@lordhelmchen3154 Well, I mean, with the exception of the first still in Chivalry, those ARE faction wide bonuses. 75% knight buff? doesn't matter who the commander is. Advantage? Across your whole kingdom.

Talks about how the Dread mechanics are awesome, misses the fact he gets gold and Dread in the Extort Subjects decision! *facepalm*

Amazing video. I didn't realise how weak the stewardship trees are compared to the other lifestyles. Going to have to rethink how I approach lifestyles and perks in my playthroughs thanks to all this information, thank you.

nice guide, well explained

Jon, you are the absolute man when it comes to your breakdown of vital game mechanics. Loved your Fallout 4 stuff and this is high quality stuff. God bless you sir.

great video thank you so much it has helped me out a lot

This was excellent, thank you!

Thank you, very good video, well worth watching

Thanks for this, a lot of great information.

You just blew my mind right out of my skull when you got to golden obligations! Really felt like getting hit with a bat or something because it was so unexpected since until that point everything you said sounded so logical.

Thanks for this guide , I learned a lot .

Truly a wonderful, deep guide. Thank you good sir. Peace!

Im new to the game and i litterly sat here and watched the entire video without skipping once. Extremely indepth game with loads of details in it. I love it!

I dislike how you look at each perk individually but count against said perk when it is lower on the tree because it is more expensive, either look at them as individuals or look at them as a set and see how well they work together the family tree is a really good one in my opinion. Other than that great tutorial

I will say, the Befriend scheme and Family Hierarchy tree has carried my game as Scotland in the 800s start date. I've been at basically no stress AND it's kept my characters brothers' (the majority land owners) loyal. Also the faster friends perk is pretty handy for me, since I've rarely not seen a 100% befriend chance with most of my characters. That being said, the 25% (or whichever it was) boost for family was helpful to deal with the title claimant brothers. It's circumstantial for sure, but that tree can be massively helpful for big families.

I feel like perks are intended to replace the lifestyle focus bonus you're abandoning when you move on to another tree. They're all roughly comparable to one of the lifestyle focus bonuses so you can take that perk so that you're upgrading your character when you move into a new set of skill trees rather than side grading it.

Good summary all around, thanks for the video. 1) Hooks for cash: I needed thousands of gold quickly as I was at end of life and needed to make the empire title along with a bunch of kingdoms and duchies....Just moved my spy around, and then farmed them all for their hooks. It was usually paying much more than 50 gold, I think I saw more like 100-250 gold depending on the hook and the character. There are only so many marriages, and you aren't guarranteed to both have good matches, but you can guarrantee that you can farm them for gold. In a matter of a handful of years, I made enough to make 2 kingdoms, 1200 for empire, and a bucketload of duchies. So 5k gold in a lifetime? more like in a few years... 2) WholeBody: There are some things that require high rank in piety or prestiege (some decisions, holy war for kingdom, etc). You may want to extend your life long enough to reach some of those items. Yeah if you generate more early it works out better, but I sometimes just switch to that side just for the small boost and then 3 points in to get the resistance. 3) Hoping around different trees, and not finishing most of them is also very viable. there are some very good early picks (1-3 traits in), only thing is that cooldown before switching. 4) Best way I found as a catholic to get dread was to kill any useless heretics. No real consequence and its like 12-25 dread for each. I keep a few on hand at any time. I guess its easier for me since I started in britain with plenty of heretics to hit, but I am sure anyone can just fabricate a claim near them and do it over and over. Not sure how it works for other religions though.

12:30 Accomplished Forger lets you fish for duchy claims as opposed to individual county claims, that's pretty good.

If your spymaster isn't otherwise occupied, you can send them to a major neighboring court and just keep them there farming secrets and immediately exchanging them for 50 gold every several months. Stewardship is incredible when you've just unlocked some building upgrades and can immediately outpace all your neighbors for barely any money.

You can actually get up to 100% bonus lifestyle experience for a lifestyle by having a 4th level eduation in the lifestyle for +40%, being a genius for +30%, and then being on your liege's council for the relevant lifestyle position for an additional +30% getting you up to a massive 100% boost in experience gain. So if you're a powerful vassal of your liege and a good diplomat, he'll as you to fill that position, and on top of your boost from education, and potentially from the genius trait or any of the other intelligence traits, you can absolutely blitz the diplomacy tree. This applies for life style perk groups. So you could easily complete all of the diplomacy perks in your ruler's lifetime with plenty of time to spare to go finish a tree in one of the other trees using your 10-30% bonus from an intelligence trait.

Jon you're crazy and I love it.

Overseer is a niche tree, but man, it's a disgustingly strong tree at what it does. Overseer is idea if you're going to be conquering large swaths of land, and the tree is designed to help you keep control of the territory.

Quick note on that family heirarch tree, the bonuses to opinion are more useful on siblings than on children for the reasons you mentioned, but the success change on personal schemes targeting family is very important when combined with the friendly council. Just because they're your children doesn't necessarily mean that they're your friends, having increased success chance means the Befriend Scheme succeeds more often at which point they give you another 2 skill points through that perk. It also allows you to more easily befriend your siblings and parents for the same bonus.

A lot of times when the music starts in the background I'm getting a feeling that the Witcher 3 Gaunter O'Dimm theme starts from the Heart of Stone dlc.

Whole of body is quite interesting one. Auðr of West Iceland starts with six points in learning tree, often in whole of body. She generally lives into late 60s and pumps out children up till 50. So her lifespan allows to get all three learning perks and secure a kingdom with no issue

Golden Obligations is actually pretty useful when combined with your spymaster for finding hooks. It only gets you 50 gold a pop but it is a tier 1 perk and it adds up over time.

That life of glory perk combined with ancestral tenet makes even your powerfull vassal still slightly love you.

best lifestyle guide

Those end Perks lead to powerfull desissions u can chose during different events. Making difficult challenges a peace of cake.

Just one thing; Fort level +1 is bigger then it looks. It means you will almost always win the siege race. It can also pair well with building a palisade in your border territories. It meant I could leave home and take most of my enemies land before they could take any of my inner provinces.