I cannot imagine how hard it must be if your family goes missing but then you have to look for them yourself and you keep finding human remains in your search and the cops still don't care about helping you

@-topic9506

2 жыл бұрын

I cannot imagine the absolute agony of waiting for results on those bones, especially the first couple of times. bless this family and everyone who is looking for loved ones or for justice

@sabinajoh

2 жыл бұрын

You’d think the cops would join in after ONE BODY let alone FIVE. my brain starts spinning like “who were/are burying bodies in that area? Where they caught? Will the families to these bodies maybe find closure?” If they were all in the same area my serial killer alarms are going off. The whole situation is horrible

@burritacos366

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabinajoh it's almost like it's literally not the police's job to protect their citizens and they have no real obligation to do anything

@Kayla_P99

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabinajoh it likely isn't a serial killer from the description of the area but rather people who died of exposure. None the less, they deserve justice/ a peaceful loving place to rest.

@Mike-hy2ku

Жыл бұрын

I cannot imagine wanting to work with the cops and double the amount of tragedy by incarcerating another person. Sounds like a misery loves company mentality.

The ethics of true crime are...often grey to say the least. Pinely has a great video on it. Profiting off of murders and the suffering of victims and their families has always icked me out. I'm glad there were families and survivors and experts in the field there to do talks. I don't think I'd be comfortable going to a "con" all about true crime content. Kudos to you for giving the breakdown!

@ShanaLawson

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve told my husband that if anything happens to me, I want EVERYONE talking about me and my story. Told him to make some money too, get my name and story out there and use that money to take care of my kids. 🤷‍♀️

@lexingtxn

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShanaLawson this is my perspective too. especially if there’s anything unknown/suspicious about the circumstances of my death. i want everyone to know and learn from whatever happens to me.

@Bjorksbackyard

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShanaLawson there’s a big difference between unsolved crimes and those that are largely solved but people still rehash for the sake of content and entertainment as if it were any other topic. This is what people are referring to when they take issue with TC content and its fans, it’s the gratuitous enjoyment of hearing about atrocities rather than focusing on genuinely solving the case, and exposing corruption and injustices. Unsolved cases need all the attention they can get, absolutely, but there’s still many crimes that people are making content about purely for entertainment, profit, and to make up theories that can be incredibly disrespectful. The Elisa Lam case is a popular one that people are STILL creating bizarre theories about. Imagine how her family feels. A personal topic is an Australian family that went “missing” on a road trip - I’m not going to say their name because of how insane people have been about it, particularly Americans, but I grew up in their small community and all the videos and tiktoks people have made theorising the family were in the mob, they were abducted by aliens or a satanic cult, they were into human trafficking - these are the cases most people take issue with when it comes to true crime. Not the unsolved ones, but the cases that are still being talked about just for entertainment and money.

@punchdrunkassassin

2 жыл бұрын

That Pinely video was great, I also highly recommend it. I used to be into true crime, but ages ago before there were podcasts and all this, so I've been watching some videos here and there over the last little while. But I find the commodification of it is low key icky, especially the ones who do makeup and stuff, and make up cute little catch phrases, while discussing people's most horrific moments of their lives. Like I'm sorry but channels like Bailey Sarien seriously rub me the wrong way, though I know she has a huge fanbase so I probably shouldn't say that out loud. The only one I actually watch now is Coffeehouse Crime because of how respectful and well-researched his videos are, and how much they focus on the victim and their story. He covered a fairly recent case from my country that I knew very well as it started in the same region I lived in, and actually gave a lot of info I didn't even know because at the time it was so sensational. That info highlighted involvement and help from a First Nations community that went totally unnoticed. I respect that kind of reporting on these stories so much more. Anyways thanks for mentioning this, because I really couldn't agree more with your comment!

@sandy-bc2to

2 жыл бұрын

right...and people making a personality trait...out of watching morbid events that have changed people's lives forever...yikes

I wish that they gave free hotel rooms and admission to family members and friends of victims who were there to raise awareness. You shouldn’t have to pay to hand out flyers about a missing or murdered loved one.

at first i thought "That sounds like a terrible idea" but I mean if they're gonna have like, actual families and investigators there trying to raise awareness about cold cases... i guess that's nice?

@enbeast8350

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. However, people who make a profit off of these things are an issue in the TC community. A certain KZreadr with the initials BS is one of the biggest I can think of that profit off of true crime stories rather than focus on helping the victims. Kendal Rae (I believe is her name) works with families of the victims and direct people to donate to organizations that help families

@boots1622fan

2 жыл бұрын

@@enbeast8350 oh yeah that's true, don't a lot of them do charity? I mean I don't really care if they're making a living as long as they're being respectful.

@enbeast8350

2 жыл бұрын

@@boots1622fan Right, but she isn't being respectful. I know at least one family asked her to not post a video or take down a video regarding one of their family members and she said no (unclear if she later took it down)

@boots1622fan

2 жыл бұрын

@@enbeast8350 oh i meant kendal. unless thats who you meant

@enbeast8350

2 жыл бұрын

@@boots1622fan Oh, Kendall is great. Sorry, misunderstanding!! Bailey Sarian (wrong spelling, I know) is the one who has done some shady things and she litters her videos with ads and sponsors. So much disrespect for the cases she's covering. Laughs all the time, justifies it by saying she's nervous, doesn't do another take to be better, and says "That's not funny", but her scolding herself and the audience is played as a joke. And her stans are wild. Bailey is far from a TC creator who is doing it for charity and for bringing more attention to cases

this is barely the point but as someone who's only ever went to anime and fan conventions, paying $400 for the ticket alone seems exorbitant to me. usually I'm like "oh man, $80? it was only 70 last year!" but i know more niche conventions with more expensive guests and less merch vendors (in Vegas no less) would require a higher price point going in.

@KarmaticBuggAdventures

2 жыл бұрын

I know right?

@MarquisdeL3

2 жыл бұрын

Star Trek: Las Vegas also has expensive tickets, but they put a super low attendance cap into place, plus the hotels are very cheap. I know a few people who have gone and had a good time. According to them the ticket being expensive and the hotel being cheap means the price to attend is usually about the same as a big anime con.

@rainy_daze_

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarquisdeL3 as a UK person even $80 feels insane. I've never seen the cheapest tickets for conventions go above £40

@Purplesquigglystripe

2 жыл бұрын

I went to an industry conference that costed around that much for a ticket. I knew one of the organizers though, so I got a free ticket. They had free beer and breakfast which was pretty good I guess.

@ActuallyHoudini

2 жыл бұрын

i pay no more than £35 for a convention. except if its something massive like mcm or insomnia.

The thing that pisses me off about the Daniel Robinson case is that Gabby Petito was also an adult!! They are only TWO YEARS apart in age!!! Why does one deserve a missing person designation and attention and the other don’t??

@cherryjello777

2 жыл бұрын

Double standards are so arbitrary, but victimhood is one of the few examples that promote especially cases that revolve around white, conventionally attractive women and girls; men are often shamed for being victims because it's supposedly emasculating (men should be able to defend themselves according to this double standard). It's extremely sad.

@arnettrabaker4872

2 жыл бұрын

You know why

@Londonworldrest

2 жыл бұрын

@@arnettrabaker4872 yep 'Missing white woman syndrome' in full effect...

@pallasitematrix1614

2 жыл бұрын

I'm from that area. It's... really bad. There's a huge drug problem: last week they had a course to teach staff at the highschool how to administer narcan, to combat opioid overdose. The time I had to report a serious crime, that affected multiple highschool girls, they told me the best they could do was "talk to the guy." Sherriff Joe Arpaio (a real nasty piece of work, if you feel like looking him up) has only been out of office in that county for five years, which means a lot of the officers that supported him are still holding their positions (and a good number of officers in buckeye did support him). There's a lot of reasons buckeye has the issues with crime that it has, and the way it's handled the way it is.

@ettaz

2 жыл бұрын

@@pallasitematrix1614 I think Robert Evans from Behind the Bastard podcast did a few episodes on that sheriff

I like that you drew special attention to assault victims not needing to be some kind of SPECIAL ANGELIC PERFECT PERSON. Nobody deserves to be assaulted and it's fucking gross to me how we spin up the THEY WERE NOT AN ANGEL rhetoric when """imperfect""" people get assaulted

The fact that we have to crowdsource the criminal justice system is sad.

@Mike-hy2ku

Жыл бұрын

The fact that there is such thing as a criminal justice system is sad

I know last year there was a panel about the ethics of true crime with youtubers and family members of victims, they discussed how to make creating and consuming true crime ethical. Then this year there was a panel featuring three family members of victims; Julie Murray, Kelsi German and Sarah Turney (side note I cannot recommend her podcast Voices for Justice enough, she is leading the change of how true crime is viewed and talked about). It was about the navigating the online true crime space as a family member and the comments they get. Julie was actually accosted during the event by a guy who has been harassing her family for years, he has this obsession with her sister's case that goes beyond wanting to help. I think we are seeing a turning point in how true crime is consumed, people seem to be more aware of how talking about these cases should be handled and how it should be watched. I saw a Tiktok that the daughters of the victim Betsy Faria of the "There's something about Pam" show weren't consulted regarding the show.

@Rhaifha

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's also a problem of true crime (just like people focussed documentaries really), have gone from things that happened *decades* ago, to things that happened just a few years ago. In the early days true crime cases that were discussed were either solved decades ago, or they had been basically marked as a cold case decades ago. Now cases haven't even gone to trial before it's explored and judged by true crime documentaries. This means you deal with a whole lot more real life people that are being judged in the court of public opinion. Just look at what the internet and media are doing to Amber Heard to see what they do to an imperfect victim.

@thelexicon7294

2 жыл бұрын

Was it James Renner? Because the singleminded obsession that man has with twisting and polluting every single morsel of information about Maura Murray'd disappearance is borderline alarming. I've had a miiiinor connection with the family circa 2010 and it was already rampant and out-of-control then. While it's nice that a con like Crime Con has that ethics component to it, I feel like it should be a WAY more prominent topic of conversation. Until every single podcast, YT channel, etc addresses the ethics of true crime spaces, I suspect things will go on getting worse and worse.

@Allison1111

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelexicon7294 It was him. He shouldn’t have been invited in the first place but now hopefully they won’t invite him back.

@nunpho

2 жыл бұрын

@@Allison1111 he was someone who was invited?

@Allison1111

2 жыл бұрын

@@nunphoBelieve so since he’s an investigative journalist and author. He originally got involved in True Crime because as a kid he saw flyers of a missing girl everywhere and developed a fascination with her

Omg - thanks for shouting out my show (Military Murder) - I basically almost fainted when you pulled up my poker chip!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰 -Margot

The celebrityfication of true crime podcasters or whatever is too weird to me. Merch is really where I draw the line. I don't know how people can consume the content and lean into merch... True crime cases are heartbreaking at the least 99% of the time. Idk

In cybersecurity we have a phase. "Trust BUT verify." We can trust people but always still verify everything. Also my own personal thing that I live by is: "Actions speak louder then words." Scientifically, if something happens 3+ times then that is considered a pattern. Patterns, (bad ones) need to be at the least questioned.

@slylover123

2 жыл бұрын

My journalism teacher used to emphasize the importance of sources in the media and used to say 'If your mother says she loves you, check it out"

@Kas_Styles

2 жыл бұрын

@@slylover123 💯💯💯

@IDoABitOfTrollin

10 ай бұрын

So basically my reaction to cancellations

The idea of these people raising awareness for missing persons is great but too much of it seems so commercialized. Like "This woman was brutally murdered and abused anyways here's some merch for my podcast" sounds so voyeuristic to me.

@Bjorksbackyard

2 жыл бұрын

And the true crime cruise? Seriously? A cruise?!

@kristinastone7838

Жыл бұрын

I don't know if I'd call that specific phenomenon voyeuristic, but it definitely is opportunistic and exploitative. I've always felt so odd watching/listening to a true crime episode only for them to jarringly say "Now a word from our sponsors!" as if they didn't just describe a brutal attack. I know they've gotta put food on the table, but it got to a point where it felt like the true crime content creators were talking about a made up story and not an actual person who had a whole life outside of the crime(s) that were committed against them. This is a more extreme example, but imagine if someone like Ted Bundy started making and selling merch for his crimes. It wouldn't be acceptable and would certainly be deemed as antisocial behavior. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Sorry for the super long comment, I'm tired and can't articulate things correctly right now.

I'll be honest and say I'd be more surprised if there were pro-cop stuff. Idk if this is just me but a lot of TC content I have watched talk about where cops have messed up and have even been detrimental to cases (eg. Not handling/testing evidence, not communicating with the families, not following up on leads even those that are painfully obvious). I feel the TC community looks at cops without any rose-coloured glasses, if you can call them that, and so, are most of the time not pro-cop

@MarquisdeL3

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like one of the fastest ways to lose any faith in the justice system (especially the police) is by getting into true crime.

@Kayla_P99

2 жыл бұрын

In my experience there is critique of cops in situations but not as an institution which is a different point. It's something that made me question the view point of the various storytellers.

@SuperNuclearUnicorn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah like just to pick out This Is Monsters, he's pretty openly critical of cops. There have been multiple cases he's covered where if cops didn't suck ass lives could have been saved

@yawishable

2 жыл бұрын

Or cases where the criminal is an ex-cop, or in the awful cases where a cop themselves committed the crimes :/

@amykh7647

2 жыл бұрын

I watch/listen to way to much TC, and over the last couple of years the overall tone towards police has shifted. Not to outright dislike (for the most part), but more suspicion and distrust. How many times can you look at a case and see the obvious screw ups and still have faith in the system? And as someone from a law enforcement family, reform is the only option.

A crime convention sounds like the perfect setting for a crime novel. Picture this: a crime author speaks at a convention when a murder occurs and it’s up to the author to solve the crime.

@lisahoshowsky4251

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@RealBradMiller

2 жыл бұрын

It was Mr. Button in the Elevator with the Luggage Cart!!

@JamesLawner

2 жыл бұрын

@@RealBradMiller Mr. Burton was a true crime stan who committed the act to get the author’s attention.

@RealBradMiller

2 жыл бұрын

@@JamesLawner And he would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for the pesky old woman and her meddling cat!

@ancientmaverick13

2 жыл бұрын

And has to contend with all of the amateur detectives getting in the way.

"No. Crimecon is not where you go to commit crimes!" UUUUUUUUUUUUUGH THEN WHERE IS THE CRIME PLACE THEN?

@kass_G59

2 жыл бұрын

Detroit

Having lived in Arizona most of my life, I don't think it's just because he's an adult. He's an adult person of color, and to be honest Arizona law enforcement has a serious racism problem. I hope he's found alive and well living his best life, but I sincerely doubt the police will be the ones to find him in any case.

@SummerAlleriaWindrunner

2 жыл бұрын

Ooohhhhh yeah my grandpa was a cop in Yuma AZ for decades. You're so right, it's an issue and none of the people involved would ever admit it to you.

@hannahbrown5465

2 жыл бұрын

Yes non white people aren’t cared about the same when they are missing or murdered, like the Missing and murdered indigenous peoples epidemic all around the world really.

@taylorgayhart9497

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it’s 100% NOT about him being an adult, Gabby was 22 and he only 2 years older.

@Racheleah2015

2 жыл бұрын

I go back and forth on if it’s a race issue or a class issue. I feel like if his family was wealthy it would have been a big case either way but there’s also no denying the racism within Arizonas PD. Either way though, ‘Scientist goes missing leaving work’, that should have been everywhere.

@marymac3572

2 жыл бұрын

@@Racheleah2015 to be honest the first place I learned about it was in an article covering cases that were active when Gabby Petito's disappearance blew up, and I was in Arizona. I'm glad he case was resolved, but all those resources (tiktok, KZread, Twitter, law enforcement in several places) could have been used for so many other people at the same time.

The first thing I thought of was Villain-Con from Minions movie.

Sorry if someone already said this, but there’s an episode of the podcast “You’re Wrong About” that talks about crime and it really eased a lot of my anxiety. Random acts of violence are actually rarer than we think if we’ve consumed a lot of true crime content

@pistachioperson

2 жыл бұрын

yes! it’s excellent. it’d also recommend their human trafficking episode and their episodes abt nancy grace!

@chris-rq2le

2 жыл бұрын

@@pistachioperson I’ve looked through their Spotify list, and couldn’t find the Nancy grace episodes. Which ones are they??

@eerielakeerie

Жыл бұрын

@@chris-rq2le its a 4-part series discussing of her books. first one is titled *Deep Dive: Nancy Grace’s “Objection!” (Week 1)* and was posted on June 18, 2020. eta: i just realized this was posted 9 months ago, but i’m leaving this in case anyone else is curious.

"I choose to believe that people are good people. Until proven otherwise. And then, good fucking luck proving me wrong." my philosophy on everything ever

the case u talked about at around 14 minutes (the delphi murders) had an arrest in november. I'm so glad those girls families got justice

i was curious and looked up news on daniel robinson bc this video's been up for a year now. unfortunately, daniel is still missing and i am so sad and heartbroken for the family :(

As a native Arizonan, the Buckeye police (not to give excuses) are extremely unprepared to search for a man in the July heat outside of Phoenix. Especially in the desert. It's my job to do Archaeological surveys a bit south of there and we can only do them in the early morning and you have to be in shape. I have known people that have lost their lives going out on hikes in the Summer here. It does bring me hope that they'll eventually find him though, if even despite any of that they're still surveying. I'm glad they brought up the case cos it's something that I knew about but it truly didn't get an attention.

Hearing your problem hearing at that one point, and with potentially undianogsed ADHD, look up Audio Processing Disorder! It's a common co-morbiditiy with ADHD, and means that despite your physical hearing being fine, the disorder is about how the sound from your ears is processed by your brain.

@SummerAlleriaWindrunner

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hey!!! That sounds just like me!! It's been a thing for years that I'm 'Deaf' but I've had my ears tested 3 times and they're just fine. I was google deep diving at one point and came across Auditory Processing Disorder but had no idea it's common with ADHD! Which I also have lol.

@skylarkblue1

2 жыл бұрын

@@SummerAlleriaWindrunner APD is a relatively new thing, I recently started going through the process of being diagnosed with it and the audiologist explained it fantastically. Essentially it's a diagnosis that came from better screening for newborns. Instead of like, 1 hearing test there's now 2, previously those who passed the first one just fine where classed as having perfectly fine hearing, but now there's babies who pass the first test but fail the second. It's not easy to get a diagnosis because it's a new thing, but it's at least possible to get tests done (at least in the UK) to confirm that stuff.

@bellachristoffersen7126

2 жыл бұрын

ayo APD gang

@CarolineHays

2 жыл бұрын

I always quote Nate from the office when I'm trying to explain my ADHD apd to people: "I don't technically have a hearing problem, but sometimes when there's a lot of noises occuring at the same time, I hear them all as one big jumble. Again it's not that I can't hear because that's false I can. Um, I just can't distinguish between everything I'm hearing." Lol an apd icon.

@TheLandBeyond_Productions

2 жыл бұрын

Oh lol, that explains some things

Thank you for bringing up Daniel! As someone who lives in AZ (and has a partner that's a geologist), it's a case we've been keeping an eye on, hoping they find him.

Hey I just wanted to say that whether you do have ADHD or not, you're not a bad person for forgetting things! The fact that you regret forgetting them shows that you have every intention of remembering, but for whatever reason can't always. I got a ADHD diagnosis last year and I've spend a lot of effort trying to understand that I'm not lazy and uncaring, because if I was I wouldn't feel bad about the things I struggle with, and I wouldn't even struggle with them either I would just not be doing them if I actually didn't care. Lazy people don't beat themselves up all day for not doing the things they need to do, and people who don't care about others don't feel guilty for forgetting their names

@ernie39

2 жыл бұрын

I very much second those sentiments!! I got diagnosed two years ago and very much relate!

@Stinkystunnedstinker

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly think they are no "lazy people" who are lazy just for the sake of being lazy

@martianpudding9522

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stinkystunnedstinker I agree, I think the closest thing is negligence, as in not fulfilling your responsibilities to others in a way that is harmful, but I don't think that's the same as lazyness. There are ofcourse people who choose to not work hard because they prefer to, but I also don't think that's lazy because as long as you're not neglectful that's a perfectly valid choice.

@ernie39

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stinkystunnedstinker your comment kind of has me thinking about something I've been considering for a while: the whole concept of laziness has gradually lost its meaning to me since getting diagnosed. it seems like a pretty cruel and useless concept/description after growing up being labelled as lazy when I did in fact Very Much want to do things, but was dealing with undiagnosed ADHD and executive dysfunction. it actively squashed my attempts to communicate my struggles and needs, and also can be used to demonize rest and relaxation?? idk, i think our current idea of laziness causes more harm than good.

nancy grace did unbelievable cultural damage over the last decades. for a comprehensive and still empathetic look into her i recommend the Youre Wrong About episode abt her, it’s excellent. (they also have true crime and human trafficking episodes which are eye opening)

@Mike-hy2ku

Жыл бұрын

She thinks that because a bad thing happened to someone else it’s a good thing to persecute people

God, I’m a huge geology nerd and hearing about Daniels case was so sad. I hope that they find justice and that some closure is given for the family.

I find that murder oriented true crime is far less interesting to me than business scams and often offer space for victims to tell their stories. I also find value in talking about missing persons with a wide audience because I hope they can all be found. Basically I think a murder centric view of true crime is reductive and honestly unhelpful in most cases.

@Kas_Styles

2 жыл бұрын

Any good podcasts that are about business scams? I'm in cybersecurity and you might know about Darknet Diaries and many other great podcasts. What are your favorites?

@moldyboy354

2 жыл бұрын

most murder centric content is cheaply produced with no viewpoint and nothing added, just the shocking stories. It's tiring to wade through all of the bad stuff to find something done respectfully and the victims in mind so it's easier to just avoid. Criminal might be my favorite tc podcast, sometimes you just wanna hear about a weird historical case or from the guys who broke into cia in between of heavy important stuff relating to racial injustice or abuse. It feels kind.

@sofiasofia-em

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kas_Styles not a podcast but cruel world happy mind is pretty good :)

@Kayla_P99

2 жыл бұрын

So I admittedly am not a big podcast person (just haven't gotten into them the same) but I recommend the documentary All the Queens Horses it's about municipal fraud and I think Illuminagtii (or however it's spelled) does a nice job too here on KZread

@Purplesquigglystripe

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kas_Styles it’s just a documentary, but mcmillions is a good one about the McDonald’s monopoly fraud.

The forensic aspect of true crime is my favorite aspect of it. However, I also watch unsolved/cold cases on the off chance I may know something. I particularly like the Trail Went Cold for that.

I just started my thesis in population genetics and one of the PhD students I'm working with used to work in a forensic lab and on a body farm. I love talking to her. A lot of her former colleagues are researching ways to determine when and from where body fluid come from. One guy was trying to do a guide for menstrual blood sampling, so that investigators can determine on what day during the period the blood had been excreted. He did that by asking for women's tampons. 😅

As someone with a degree in forensic psychology, I ‘m continuously happy that I have moved on to research vs counseling or working with DA’s or law enforcement, etc. I found out quickly that I have little stomach for violent crime. Just knowing that there were people at crime con looking for help solving the murder of their loved one is heartbreaking. Three days of stories like those would have ruined me. Respect for those who attended with stronger constitutions.

I actually just watched a video about how AZ police keep saying that they're understaffed, but the numbers are showing the complete opposite. They've been getting a consistent increase in funding AND recruitment and are just straight up ignoring servicing the community as a way to push the narrative that they're understaffed so that they don't get defunded

@Kas_Styles

2 жыл бұрын

Link?

"I am a big proponent of 'Be Gay, Do Crime', and I just think it's good sense not to Instagram that." Iconic. This is what Bailey Sarian means when she says "make good choices".

@Mike-hy2ku

Жыл бұрын

Bailey Sarian is literally fascist and exploitative

I'm a true crime fan, and this was my first time ever hearing of CrimeCon, and not gonna lie when I first saw the title of this video I was hesitant to watch because I feel like a lot of true crime fans forget that the victims were real human beings and it's hard to think that a convention could handle that fact with respect. But I'm glad to hear that some of the speakers reminded the audience of that, I'm glad that families dealing with open cold cases were able to get their stories out and increase their chances of finding closure and justice. I don't know if I myself would feel comfortable attending a true crime convention, but I'm not going to judge others that do.

I switched from true crime to the backlog of Death in the Afternoon, historical crime/death podcast from Ask a Mortician.

@sonorasgirl

2 жыл бұрын

She’s great!!! Much less depressing

I had weird feelings going into this video regarding the current status of true crime. But, at the same time, I lived in Buckeye, Arizona since I was a child. My immediate family still lives there, and yet, I never heard about the Daniel Robinson case. That's fucking depressing and I'm glad that there's some sort of light being shed on case.

Important to Note is that I don’t live in the United States - I have loved watching CSI as a child with my father. This grew to be a small fascination with the occasional true crime documentary or story on some website. I listen to a few KZread videos about it eventually. Fast forward to around 2018 and my father gets murdered out of town and the police in that area fail to do a proper investigation, we try to have a the court imprison the suspects that were caught but due to lack of evidence and a technicality they were acquitted. We can’t afford to hire a lawyer ourselves to try and open up the investigation again. Police have blamed us for not following up on them, but we were grieving and handling a surprise funeral. Same goes to the court provided attorneys, mind you. My relationship with true crime has been on & off. I am fine with the forensic side of it but if there are like footage of the court room of transcripts of the court case, I can’t handle it anymore.

@beth-bi9yv

2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry you've been through this. I hope you are doing ok.

@mirjanapucarevic2105

Жыл бұрын

I am sorry for your lose. I hope you are ok

Tip for remembering names, repeat it back to them and try and use it at least once more in the conversation, it helps stick it better in the brain.

I hope that Daniel is found. It is sad that the family has had to search on their own without law enforcement’s help. I’m glad there are people volunteering to help but the system shouldn’t be so broken they a victim’s family has to search for them. What if that family doesn’t have the resources to search? True crime is so sad not only because of the cases but also the how the cases show how broke our system is.

excellent hoodie! i do find true crime stuff interesting (and I like Dark Poutine!), but i don't... know if i want to hang out with folks that LOOOVE it. sometimes it gets kinda uncomfortable. but it's nice to hear it wasn't actually the creepshow i imagined lol. the bugs class sounded really cool

Every time I leave the country everyone thinks I’m Canadian too. I finally asked somebody recently why that is, I assumed it was due to my pasty, white skin tone, but they said it was because I am polite. Apparently Americans aren’t polite…

"If you really like True Crime or if you are a family member of someone of a violent crime or you have experienced a violent crime and you're trying to raise awareness" -- I definitely definitely though that you were going to end this sentence with "let me know. comment down below" lol

Your realization of the type of media you were consuming is very prescient.

Old video, but I’m glad to know I’m not alone in briefly hyperfixating on true crime to the point it was negatively impacting my mental health without me realizing it.

Names are hard, I feel that. Talking to people, also hard. Cruises are asking for trouble.

As someone who’s really interested in crime reporting and investigations in general, I’d probably like to attend this. The entomologist sounded really interesting.

I understand the fascination with true crime, my mom worked for the forensics department of the local police here in Germany so I grew up hearing a lot about this kind of stuff. Some people treat it like a spectacle though and that's where it gets problematic. You can follow a case without making a big deal about it and dehumanizing the victims.

As a longtime subscriber, let me assure you that you could never bother or annoy anyone. I look forward to the day you own your badassedness and know how awesome you are. My apologies for going full mom mode. It's just when I see good people talking down to themselves said mom mode engages.💙

the "you're wrong about" podcast did an episode called true crime with emma Barquist who was actually the victim of a random attack. she talks about how she was in therapy to try and help how paranoid of going outside and stuff her ptsd made her but then she would have true crime content making people act the same and see it as normal i guess. it's quite interesting. especially how recently true crime has been way too casual about how they treat the subjects and how disrespectful it is to victims families who can see it. its a weird balance to strike since we've always been obsessed with this kind of stuff as humans but also try and be better about it

Focusing on the crimes that have families that actually want more exposure? Ethical queen.

The Daniel Robinson case is very near and dear to my heart- I’m glad you mentioned it. Ty ❤

If other people find polite conversation annoying, it's truly their problem; if someone is busy of course they can say that, but I always appreciate a reciprocal tone.

Thank you for how thoughtful you're talking about this event. Personally, I've always been interested the most in the forensic side of things, the science of it all, and there is a way to do tc thoughtfully and well, but like any other thing that gets popular, there will always be tons of profit-focused thoughtless invasive nastiness

I listened to a lot of true crime and horror podcasts until I listened to one that really messed me up. I was paranoid all the time and then I stopped and even though I miss it my mental health has greatly improved. I’m glad someone else can relate lol

Amanda!! I haven’t finished the vid yet but Mile Higher did an amazing interview with Daniel Robinson’s dad recently. Would recommend it to you and anyone else interested in this case. There are also links to the family’s Go Fund Me and petition

Just wanted to say I greatly appreciate your videos having subtitles!!

Would totally go had I the cash and the time off work, didn’t known it was a thing. Thanks for taking us along!

thank u for talking about daniel robinson. im in AZ and had no idea about his case until kendal rae made a video with his father last year. i strongly suggest it.

How are they saying adults can’t be missing people? That’s insane

I’m absolutely obsessed with true (murder) crime but I definitely make sure I’m switching it up with other things. I can tell when it’s becoming a real negative to my mental health but I’m sure that’s hard for some. I’m currently going through a phase where I cannot stand listening to young women being victims and I’m avoiding that. I’m still about 50% true crime (not just murders), 40% paranormal, conspiracy, ghost, unexplained, etc, 5% “radio play” and 5% everything else. I know some people find it distasteful but I only listen to people who are very respectful and highlight the victims not just the people who took their lives. All that said, I’d love to go to crime con one day. (Side note: Simon Whistler has a thing where he says don’t post/record your crimes but it’s not Instagram specific)

@emilylockwood795

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta say, the Casual Criminalist is one of my fave TC pods, because Simon and co mix up the types of crimes they talk about!

Dude! I had to do the same with my entertainment consumption. I got into this weird fascination with mukbang videos, couldn’t get enough. Then I noticed all I wanted to stuff stupid amounts of food down my pie-hole. Cut that out and changed my focus to health and fitness channels and I’m down significantly and feeling like a new person! Amazing how we aren’t even aware of how we are messing with our own heads at times. Good on you for recognizing and changing the behavior!

Thanks so much for the mention. It was great to meet you.

A quick little thing is I’ve been following the delphie(spell check) since around the time they started the FB page and that stuff. It’s a super interesting case and kinda scary and sad. I love true crime I’ve always followed them and the groups their families made many times, it’s something very special(?) idk the correct word. About the cases and certain ppl who speak about them, you learn so much you begin to tell behaviors it’s scary but needed

True crime is a very weird one for me because, unlike a lot of people, I grew up around it. In the way that my mother worked in law enforcement for the 1st 20 years of my life and so I have a weird desensitized relationship with it. On top of that some of our closest family friends were morticians and forensic examiners and so on. It wasn't uncommon for my mother to bring up very violent and graphic cases that were going on as a type of cautionary tale to me and my siblings growing up, so I would 100% go to a convention like this. All in all, the TC community is weird and needs some stuff to change, but I am the wrong person to determine what needs to change since I have a very different concept of what is acceptable to discuss and how it's discussed because of my childhood with a law enforcement mother.

@Mike-hy2ku

Жыл бұрын

“As someone whose parent was in the gestapo, Auschwitz is a weird topic for me…”

Omg I was there! I feel like I have to look back on my pictures now and see if you’re in them lmao we went to all the same talks. Im also going to the Bridgerton event in Chicago!

I haven’t listened to true crime stuff in a while, but I remember really liking the Dark Poutine podcast, they’re real good guys and it never felt sensationalized.

thanks for bringing focus to the case.Signed a petition I saw on twitter.

My mom loved mysteries and some true crime, so I grew up with a fascination with it. I listen to a lot of true crime podcasts (though took a break during the pandemic because....it was a lot) if I didn't have other things going on I would consider going. I went to Vegas for my 30th birthday and was really bummed I didn't have time to see the mob museum, and definitely want to check that out when I go back! Also the old Vegas sign museum!

I saw you cheezin on the creator clash livestream, It was good to see you….in this modern roundabout way, it was good to see you lol.

Loved this content!!

My problem with true crime shows and everything around it is, that it popularises the murderer/predator and trivialises the victims. All the "hype and thirst" around Ted Bundy is a very good example for that

Regarding your sporadic and situational shyness? Do you have any friends who are chatty? Who strike up conversations with strangers? I say bring them with you, have them make the opening salvo, and you can jump in with your questions/comments as you feel comfortable. Basically I feel like you need a sidekick who is excited about you and believes in you and wants to help fascilitate whatever you want to do. A golden retriever in human form.

You've got a chuckle out of me in the first 3 seconds lol.

I also have a connection to someone who survived an encounter with Richard Ramirez Found this out while on vacation with my family in LA and was shocked I hadnt heard the story before

Wonderful video, crime con is something I would attend now!

It sounds really interesting. The few tc podcasts I listen to are always very respectful to the family and the victims. If I were in the US i’d go atleast once

One of my growing favorite True crime podcasts are the mebers of a Crime scene cleanup crew that makes them. Very interesting

I find it funny that an unsolved crime convention would be pro police. Can you imagine any other industry having a convention dedicated solely to the stuff you were not able to finish and not looking totally stupid?

There was a similar situation to the one you mentioned with Daniel and Gabby in the UK Dan Nolan was a 14 year old who went missing after a night out fishing with friends, another 14 year old girl (I don't remember her name I learned about it 4 years ago) also went missing around the same time and her case got a lot of media attention and Dan's got barely any. There's a play about Dan that was made using statements from his family and friends.

That cloud head piece is by one of my fave artists, Magritte - he was a surrealist and well worth your time!

23:40 this was PAINFULLY relatable. I could use some advice too lol

I do watch and listen to true crime media and find it weirdly fascinating, and now that I know next year's is only a few hours away from me, it sounds kind of tempting... but i just feel weird and icky about the "convention" aspect. maybe it's because my experience with conventions has always been anime and gaming cons, which are meant to be celebrations of the subject. murder just seems way too serious and sensitive for a nerdy environment like that. I'm sure most people there are able to keep their fucking weirdness to themselves, but I can't really stomach the thought of having to interact with someone who might have a tumblr blog where they post jeffrey dahmer fanfiction.

crime cruise? it kinda sounds like the perfect cover story. a great setting for a murder mystery...

That seems pretty pricy for a convention. Even SDCC isn't that pricy for a 4 day badge (though it's really hard to get a badge at all due to demand.) Sounds like this was more of a networking/professional convention for podcasters and such, which I suppose would increase the price, but still, that's a steep cost.

I was wondering if the delphi murders were gonna be brought up, very glad they were! I truly hope that case gets solved in the near future cus those girla deserve justice and they're families deserve answers!

Thanks!

ah for that minds of madness podcast logo we were gonna use that back in middle school for book cover. brings back memories

I didn't know about the Crime Con but country. I would love to go to one if it happened in my country. Have been listening to a lot of different true crime podcasts and I feel like I would have enjoyed this too. Was very intrigued by the mob museum tour, which I didn't even know existed.

I would love to go to crimecon in order to bring awareness for my relative who has been missing for decades

Amanda, i love watching your video's and now I noticed I took over your laugh. Not a complaint, just wanted to tell you

all of this really reminds me of an episode in the Magnus archives podcast that starts with "I know how it sounds but murder club wasn't supposed to be like this" and in the end, they all try to murder each other for fun. I dont think this will happen here, but it makes you think. How many of the people in this con could use their knowledge to get away with something, chasing the thrill of a good mystery?

Wow, this is the first time I heard of a true crime convention. Too bad I live overseas. I need to be attend:(

Amanda, no way $400 for a convention ticket is normal. That is not a reasonable price

@smoothsailing7325

2 жыл бұрын

It’s subjective - maybe it isn’t to you but to other people it clearly is. It’s a 3 day convention.

wow never heard abt a crimecon before but it sounds pretty interesting and well-done to be respectful

I love Southern Fried True Crime. I guess it's the best alternative to that other True Crime docu-series anymore (Southern Fried Homicide formerly on Investigation Discovery).

So much true crime stuff feels kind of exploitative but I'm really looking forward to Swell's take on an entire convention devoted to it.

@taylorgayhart9497

2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate she is only mentioning cases where the family is asking people to bring attention to it!

If you ever want to dig deeper into Nancy Grace, the You're Wrong About podcase did a three episode series on her book, Objection! In a shocking twist, her origin story has drifted significantly from what actually happened regarding the tragic passing of her fiance. It's a great listen.

i had to take a break from true crime, too. i went months without listening to anything. i kinda wanna go to this, it seems neat.

Crime Cruise could very quickly become the plot of Murder Mystery