One of the best shows in Canada ❤Thank you Crimebeat 😊

I'm literally in the process of trying to open up a forensics genetic genealogy lab in Onatrio because I had noticed SO many cases were being sent to Othram labs in Texas. An old prof of mine is an OPP detective and told us about how backed up the labs are & I could see the desperate need of these victims families. They deserve to at least know if their loved ones remains get found, and like you guys said - not 40 years later. That's not justice for these poor victims. Glad Othram is joining in the Canadian fight for victims 💪🏼

@ellonysman

2 ай бұрын

Do you know how many rape cases go cold cases because communities don't have a budget to pay for it to be sent out?? It's insane. Please look into this. One of those evening crime shows brought this out. Sic

@ivannovotny4552

2 ай бұрын

@lila It's badly needed.

@ivannovotny4552

2 ай бұрын

@@ellonysman- great point.

@janedoe2605

Ай бұрын

Wishing you best of luck, all the power to you 👏

@AwesomeAngryBiker

Ай бұрын

And 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Another fascinating and heartbreaking episode, yet I left with a lot of hope. The families’ of the two victims are so admirable. Love this show!!

Glad they are finally using this now here

Hard to imagine he stopped at two victims.

@mogbaba

Ай бұрын

Perhaps he eventually found a girlfriend!

@pinkysimmsBMMM

13 күн бұрын

@@mogbaba that shows your lack of understanding around sexual assault. Sex has NOTHING to do with it.

God Bless these families and friends. I followed this story and so thankful for the capture of fugitive responsible for these murders. I especially enjoyed the family members sharing their special memories of 2 very loved, very missed women from the City of Toronto back in the 1980's. Proof that you can run, but you can never, ever hide forever. Great coverage Crime Beat!

Been loving all the episodes. Thank you. A suggestion for an episode is to do one on the "Lost Boys" of Pickering. 6 teen boys vanished on Lake Ontario almost 30 years ago.

Thank God for forensic genetic genealogy. There must be a lot of guys right now shaking in their boots waiting for the door knock ...

@ellonysman

2 ай бұрын

We need more dna outlets for Police Services!😁

Why did this man commit these two horrific crimes? Don't the police ask these questions? If he was remorseful, then he would have said why, no? Two rapes/murders and then he stops and builds a life for himself, becomes a better person. What happened?? It's just incredible to me. R.I.P. Susan Tice & Erin Gilmour XO

What a fantastic daughter, I can’t imagine having that much compassion, she’s amazing!

@Sonia-lu1eo

11 күн бұрын

She is the example of hating the “sin” but loving the “sinner”.

I think it's pretty clear as to what his motive was. Power. Always power. It does seem like he was inside those homes before the women got there. Susan was writing in her journal in bed and stopped suddenly, and that is where she was found. The timeframe in Erin's case was very, very small considering all that he did to her. But even if he wasn't already inside, these were 2 single women living alone in rather close proximity to each other but who did not have any connection to each other whatsoever. Which means they could not have been randomly chosen. The perp could not just break into a random house and hope that the only person there was a woman. He would have had to KNOW who they were, that they'd be alone, and where they lived. He must have stalked them. Since Susan had been away all weekend, that means he would have had to stalk her before she had even left for the weekend and was waiting for her return. It would not surprise me if he had been inside Susan's house the whole weekend as he waited and maybe even after the murder because they said her house was a bit messier than normal, possibly ransacked. Surely he'd stolen a couple of things, but not enough that they'd call it a robbery. A robbery does not go wrong by way of rape and stabbing a woman in her bed, but taking a few things after is quite common. He was young and of indigenous descent living in Toronto, maybe for University as he was 22 at the time and they said he does have a degree. But if he was in Uni, that implies that he wasn't living on the streets and was less likely that he took hard drugs or drank to excess. Which also speaks of a young man in Uni who seemed to have this little secret desire. Or maybe there was a different trigger. We will probably never know that but we do know that he intended to commit these crimes and was well prepared for them. I am just glad he decided to stop and move as far away as he could get.

Great video guys

Fantastic show❤

People ask why ... Why? WHY?! - because he's a sick, twisted & disturbed individual. He wanted to, thats why. These demons live among us.

@arolf2524

17 күн бұрын

I want to agree with you, but so many of these murderers live outwardly normal lives, have families, have fun, do everyday things with their loved ones. There has to be something more, but gods knows what it is. Susan's daughter said something that really leapt out of the screen: they weaponise parts of themselves. Chilling, frightening and horrific. The most weaponised part of themselves seems to be their brains.

I wish there was an update to Marie Goudreau 's cold case from Edmonton, Alta😢😢😢❤

@caitlynrastovski5840

2 ай бұрын

Me too, I’m from that area :(

@ellonysman

2 ай бұрын

@@caitlynrastovski5840 I knew Marie for about 3 weeks prior to her passing. Met her and her friend Peggy and wish I could have had more time with them. Lovely ladies. I heard yhey were looking at 2 guys who had prison time but both are gone now so....probably never solved.

@ellonysman

2 ай бұрын

@@caitlynrastovski5840 Ive only seen video recreation that indicated two men in an old truck lurking around the area but how they hit on her? Breaks my heart as I knew her for about 3 weeks before seeing it on the news...😥

@ellonysman

Ай бұрын

@@caitlynrastovski5840 were you around when she was abducted? I hated Edmonton more after that happenned

@caitlynrastovski5840

Ай бұрын

@@ellonysman Nope, born 2001

They let him plead second, that's like assaulting these two beautiful women all over. Given how they were attacked, raped and murdered by a complete stranger while in their home, he clearly committed first degree murders. Instead he got rewarded for getting away with it for 40 years, enjoying his life. I strongly doubt these were his only violent crimes. I think he just became the wiser in the mid eighties, when the first DNA cases in Britain became a celebrated topic worldwide. There had to be a reason his first questions were: Where did this happen? when did this happen? He tried to figure out which cases they worked on.

AWESOME!!!!!! God bless you🎉

Thank God for IGG Analysis & Thank you for bringing it to Canada ❤

He will play the crazy card and be out of prison in a few years.

@acidheadzzz

2 ай бұрын

No he won’t, it doesn’t work that way. There’s institutions within corrections Canada that houses people with mental health problems. They don’t release people sentenced to life because they’re not feeling well. He will only be released on parole when the parole board decides to release him but he was sentenced to life and must serve 21 years before parole eligibility, regardless he will be either in prison or on parole until he dies. Being on parole as lifer is not easy, if they don’t do exactly what is required they go back to prison. So that’s how it works.

Wow

Sutherland is a Savage!

GET RID OF PAROLE!!!!!!!!

He got caugth killing two.....but most probably they were others...

WHY do you have to ruin it with all the background noises and music, impossible to listen to

So crazy that you can be your own cousin. 😮

This episode “Closure” is the same from Dateline a few weeks ago. Much less detail on the case in this Global episode.

@SelenaBrandt

2 ай бұрын

They did this one on dateline ? A Canadian story they don’t do many from Canada. But I seen a couple. Have watched every episode of this and dateline lol. I’m from Canada. I’m getting tired of the same stories being on dateline 20/20 48 hours ext and Netflix documentaries. Now this ugh

@Nicocoley

2 ай бұрын

How do you watch date lune from Canada tho?

@Nicocoley

2 ай бұрын

Line*

@acidheadzzz

2 ай бұрын

@@Nicocoleyyou can go back and edit your old comment, for example if you made a spelling mistake :)

@AS-qg1xu

2 ай бұрын

​@@Nicocoley With a VPN

No chance for parole, for 21 years?! It's just playing with words to claim the sentence is very harsh. When you say no chance for parole, it means no, none. Not that the guy can apply for it after a certain time.

@arolf2524

17 күн бұрын

In one of these "Crime Beat" videos, I heard that after a certain amount of time, coming up for parole was automatic. Can that be true? The families of murder victims were talking about how they never had the chance to heal because they spent six months preparing to combat a parole hearing and six months getting over it and then the next one would be coming up.

@pinkysimmsBMMM

13 күн бұрын

@@arolf2524 I believe you are referring to the faint clause hope, which thankfully is now off the table. But sadly there are some really horrific offenders who can still apply for parole under that old law.

This is an old episode. Seen it

@fauna3989

2 ай бұрын

Stawp lyin'.

@sandrapisani9225

2 ай бұрын

Oh, this was in follow-up .. that's why it's called 'Closure'.

Mike Tyson

"He doesn't look like a killer" they say 🙆🏽‍♀🙄. I didn't know killers looked a certain way

I too share similar feelings as the daughter- this is a conflicting one. On the one hand it was worth of 20plus years which he got, however, the time span definitely affected his conscience and you can see it tormented him and the fact he lived so far definitely was some sort of isolation. I mean its most likely a death sentence right. That said, he accepted his punishment respectfully. Just a tragedy for all. Kudos to science, ill have to think twice about committing a crime once someone in my fam explores our genealogy lol.