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@Scudmaster11

Жыл бұрын

Old CD-Rs had a unstable dye set as I remember

@Scudmaster11

Жыл бұрын

So don't criticize CD-Rs if you didn't know that

@Finbar_Monroe

Жыл бұрын

@@Scudmaster11 that is very true. the part where he broke that CD at the very end is an insult to the music and recording industry, as well as the media industry.

@ThexthSurvivor

8 ай бұрын

The quality of a CD and CD-R depends entirely on the materials used by the manufacturer. Some are excellent, some are crap. Some brands, such as Sony, sometimes outsource the manufacturing to smaller companies. Because of that, the quality of a Sony branded CDR can be very inconsistent. I've had some that work and some that don't. So I avoid getting Sony branded discs. I have a soundtrack CD from 1984 in perfect condition, no scratches or markings. I decided to play based on what you mentioned in the video. Fortunately for me mine works fine. I also tried some burned CD-Rs I have from 2000, 2001, and 2006. They all work perfectly. I even copied all of the music from them to make sure. I can ever go back to vinyl records despite growing up using them. I don't know how people have the patience for them. They are big, bulky, heavy, and can't afford to be dropped, unlike a CD. Not to mention that you can't really make an exact copy of your records, where as a CD you can (and even add additional content to it!). And the cherry on top, just like magnetic tapes, each time you play them, you are putting wear on them. Though how much depends on certain variables. CDs sound better and cost far less in present day. I just recently picked up over 100 for $3. They were from a collector that was moving out of state. The discs were very well kept and each one I've tried so far works perfectly. Even the orchestra ones from the 80s. I personally haven't had any issues with disc rot. But I have had issues with mold on VHS and audio cassette tapes. If well kept, CDs are amazing. And the audio quality is more than 8 times higher than most streaming websites. My only nitpick with CDs is that they decided to early on to not have them on a caddy anymore. I consider that a big mistake. They should have never gotten rid of them, which is why I think some people prefer Minidiscs or any other optical disc in a caddy such as DVD-RAM.

@GTAMan21

2 ай бұрын

@@Scudmaster11 How is cyanine unstable? Verbatim AZO CD-Rs are made of cyanine and they survive for very long times

These issues may be related to the CD-R's brand and media quality. Because I have some 15ish years old sony CD-Rs from my dad's archive and it reads and play perfectly

With a name like Dr Cassette it's obvious what your agenda is. I have CDs from the 90s that sound even better today due to improvements in the DAC and almost all the CDRs I burned in high school in the early 00s still play and sound as good as the files I used. Drop a CD, still works flawlessly, drop a vinyl in most cases game over. Enjoy your ~70db of SNR and DNR on a vinyl and I'll enjoy the at least 100db of each on a CD.

@DVDandFilmBloke

Жыл бұрын

I guess with CD-Rs it depends on the make and how well they were stored. A crap make isn't going to last that long but a decent make will probably last a good long while, in addition it's better to store them in black cases out of UV light.

The playback issues aren't issue of the CDs but the burning speed, or CD drive. Also quality matters. You better go with Verbatim AZO (And only AZO!!!) CDs and DVDs

@NazimAlizade

7 ай бұрын

Well said!

Those are some cheap CD-Rs, probably about 15 cents each. Get some good CD-Rs made with phthalocyanine dye and real 24 carat gold that are more than a dollar each, like Verbatim Ultralife, and record them at a slow speed (4x or slower) on a high-quality drive and they will last forever.

@JakeDAmico

2 жыл бұрын

Alexander Jones... do you have a favorite brand or two?

@whaduzitmatr

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeDAmico you can really never go wrong with Verbatim like he said

@modeljetjuggernaut4864

Жыл бұрын

Pretty climactic at the end 😅

@bsanchez3563

5 ай бұрын

​@@whaduzitmatrbutttt.. I can not find any at fredmyer.. and iirc walmart has memorex brand ones iirc mayyybe verbatim if lucky but yeah fwiw fredmyer is maxell cd-r music or cd-r or dvd-r or dvd+r or dvd rw.

@bsanchez3563

5 ай бұрын

@op fwiw the slowest choice it shows when I did that, was 8x or 16x or 32?x so fwiw I just did 8x

As long as the CD-R have been around there have been really great ones available, i am talking about those that was made for professionals, this branded CD´s are not a professional CD even though it say so on the disc. Way back in the 90´s i burned alot of CD´s, mostly on real professional ones, top quality. Still to this day they work just perfect, the branded ones i have is not as good, some of them dont work as good anymore. So its not right to say that CD-R are crap because its not. It´s all about finding real professional CD-R´s.. Cheers.

I think because a CD-R is just a dye. so when a laser burns a cd, it just changes the colour of the dye on the CD blank. I agree with you 100%

I have CD-R discs from 2001 that still work.

There are many different variables that can cause CD's and other types of optical media such as DVD's and Blu-ray's to work in a bad manner. I still use audio CD's to put music on because they still have the highest quality of audio out there. CD's use digital audio which is far more precise than analogue. It also has a bitrate of 1411kbps which is essentially lossless audio because they are in the form of WAV files. Pretty much the same thing as FLAC files. Its fully uncompressed audio which has all of the details where as mp3 files are compressed and get rid of some of the details in the audio. The main reason why I don't like vinyl records is although, since they are analogue, they deliver "pure" sound, they contain lots of crackling. That's just part of the design and how they work I agree, and it can even feel nostalgic for some people, but it just interferes with me and just doesn't give me the feeling of amazing quality sound. As for why CD's eventually lose quality after some years, is because of the dyes they use to that allow burners/drives to record on. Certain dyes have formulas that contain organic material, which can eventually rot away over some time. This rot will disrupt the data on the disc and cause those skips and noise in the background of discs. In order to know if a disc can have bad dyes or not work well after some time, you can easily tell by the MID of the discs. You can find out the MID of discs by putting the disc in the drive and having a certain software read from the disc. The free software Imgburn will allow for this and is really helpful in identifying if the media is good or not. There were 2 main MIDs/manufacturers that were the best of the best and had far more reliability than all of these other cheap discs that existed. They were Taiyo Yuden and Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. There were also bad MIDs, the most notorious are CMC and RITEK. RITEK isn't all that bad, some of their media is good but it is definitely less reliable than the other two I have mentioned. CMC on the other hand, is completely worse. Often, their discs will fail to burn/verify in a given drive. The ones that do pass will then fail in some players that are given the disc. CMC has widely conquered regular disc branding today. I know some Verbatim discs, Maxell, Memorex, TDK, Imation, and many others are now using CMC to manufacture their discs. Taiyo Yuden is now actually nonexistent because CMC bought TY after they went out of business. They marked that as their own brand called "CMC Pro". They claim to still have the TY quality but they haven't, their burning are slightly unreliable than that of the original TY discs when it was under JVC and by itself. But, the one other manufacturer I mentioned, Mitsubishi Chemical Corp or Mitsubishi Kagaku Media, which are abbreviated to MCC and MKM in certain MIDs of discs, the manufacturer still exists today. The only way you can get this is by buying the Verbatim DataLifePlus media found on amazon. Not the Life series which is essentially just the regular Verbatim discs, you need the DataLifePlus format, only they will use Mitsubishi Chemical Corp as their manufacturer. The Life series will just use CMC, which is not good. I have first hand experience of initially buying the verbatim life series and later on down the road, I have had terrible audio quality, causing lots of skips and playback. The DataLifePlus series though, they se the MID of Mitsubishi Chemical Corp and they do not skip when I use them to burn audio CD's. They will only skip if they have lots of scratches on them which is reasonable. Mitsubishi media will rarely fail in drives too, CMC media will fail most often. So for me, I still like using audio CD's only because there is still one last manufacturer that makes good quality CD's and that is Mitsubishi Chemical Corp from Verbatim DataLifePlus CDs. Although I don't know exactly how long they last since I only recently bought them and used them, I have heard some great things about them online when people have bought them multiple years ago and burned them and they still playback just fine today. So if anybody else is planning on using audio CDs, I would highly recommend purchasing the Verbatim DataLifePlus CDs on amazon which use the MID of Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. I can almost guarantee that they will barely have any problems. Sorry if my comment was a whole essay, there were just lots of things I had to express to get my point across and provide valid reasoning as to why certain people have both good and bad experiences with CDs.

@franknewman1194

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting piece, I've been on the lookout for good cd-recordables because I'm almost out of NOS Taiyo Yuden/JVC discs (made in Japan). Mam-A is also supposed to be good, but very hard to obtain in the Netherlands, unless you import them from the States, which will add VAT and shipping costs to the already steep price. So now I'm considering Verbatim, also because those are readily available over here. But I'm hearing different stories about their quality. Afaik they were also bought by CMC Magnetics (in 2019), and while the ones containing AZO apparently are still pretty good, the other ones are not. Also they are manufactured all over the globe. You say the DataLifePlus series still has the Mitsubishi media code, but as far as I know Mitsubishi doesn't manufacture cd-r's anymore, so perhaps the ones with the Mitshubishi code are NOS? I've searched online and found numerous examples of Verbatim DataLifePlus discs that were made in China, and no good at all. There's also Verbatim Ultra Life Archival, and they look a lot like the Mam-A Archival Gold discs, except the Verbatims are made in the Emirates and I can't find ny info on the dyes that are used (Mam-A uses phthalocyanine).

Most of my burned CD’s from my childhood are non functional today. I’ve salvaged a couple. My purchased albums are working just fine

@GTAMan21

2 ай бұрын

The curse of bad quality CD-Rs

Better than USB flash drives,The data would be totally gone at that age.They also give no warning that they are about to go bad. I think it is the brands that you were using. I don't seem to have the same problems from My Verbatim discs.

@DrCassette

Жыл бұрын

Flash drives are not meant for long term data storage anyways...

So as an update, I recently played some of my old music/audio cd-r's which were specifically made to be recorded on a stand-alone cd recorder. They were dated from 1998 and I found quite a few which developed static on the later (outer tracks). The only brand that I did not find any degradation on was Kodak while the ones that did were Maxell, Memorex and TDK. Those music cd-r's did have a slightly different formulation that I believe had more cyanine dye which is less stable. So they have lasted 24 years which isn't bad but I have all of my computer burned discs (mostly TY, Kodak, Mitsui, Verbatim & Falcon) are still fine. So that begs the question, were yours burned on a standalone and also do you live in the north or south as I have a few friends from the south who have also had cd-r's degrade while my friends here in the north have not?

@DrCassette

2 жыл бұрын

My CD-Rs are usually burned in a PC drive at the slowest speed possible. Some were burned on a dedicated Audio CD Recorder. My CD collection is kept out of direct sunlight.

@rft2001

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette So have you experienced a similar amount of degradation on both the ones burned on the dedicated audio recorder and on the pc? Have you found any brands that have been resilient?

@krisdavis1050

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, my old TDK's and Maxell's from 20 years ago have some disc rot and mostly the later tracks on the discs that were longer than 60 min. there is alot of static and clicking noise, but all of the FujiFilm ones from the same time sound fine

@rft2001

8 ай бұрын

@@krisdavis1050 Yes, that is because the Fuji ones were made by Taiyo Yuden. I have had the same problems with a few Maxell's and TDK's that I have/had. Sometimes, you can reburn them and the error correction will fix it but many times not. I went through the few discs that I had on those 2 companies' discs and reburned the ones that I could to Falcon or TY discs.

@GTAMan21

2 ай бұрын

@@DrCassette Can we request an update video of your other CD-Rs? Are they crap too?

I mean there *is* a reason that people switched from cassettes to CD’s. I’ve only ever had problems with CD-R’s that are very visibly scuffed.

@DrCassette

8 ай бұрын

I am not suggesting that cassettes are better than CD-Rs, they are absolutely not.

happy 10 years, video ive never seen before!

Some prerecorded CD’s are suffering from production default’s. I can say 99.9 of the CD’s do not have this problem! I think I have 200+ CD’s and al of them working fine! But CD-R’s -> that’s a different story!

3:36 for some reason it sounds like it is skipping or got scratched somehow? Edit: oh.. wait is that mean fwiw a maxell type 1 60 minite cassette is the better bet for listening to music? As far as trynna record? But fwiw better to bite the bullet and for buying music to buy the vinyl version not the cd?

Some of it is just rot from the disc?

I have loads of music CDR disc's that are about 20 + years old 99% load & play fine ' its down to the brand or make how the CDs have been stored' plus possibly the playback device being used I use old school Marantz CD 52 or 72. Which use a swingarm laser pick up

Thanks for the review. I've been burning CDs & DVDs on the PC since the late 90s, and in my experience there are a lot of variables. The quality of the burner, the disc, and the speed of the PC itself. Some CDs actually burn better at a faster speed because they are rated differently. Generally the slower the burn, the better but not always the case. Over a period of 23 years, my success rate is probably 85%. Using CD-R & DVD-R is a moot point nowadays with cheap flash-type drives, unless you feel the need to use dated technology. I still have my standalone CD player and I haven't used it in over a decade.

Really? Your off-brand, sticker-covered blank CD's don't work years later? No way!

It is really brand specific. I have some CD-Rs made in 2000 (now 22+ years old) that work fine others the reflective side flaked off after 5 years or less

@jeff666p

Жыл бұрын

I have cheap ones i made in 2002 which are fine

I’ve had excellent excellent excellent luck with cdr’s. You can get bad discs also. When I got and recorded cdr’s, if they were good they stayed good. I’ve gotten bad ones myself.

I still have my blank cd-r discs mostly classical music and festivities cool light jazz tracks 1 to 11 only and I will keep them forever.

Taiyo Yuden or M-Disk (very expensive) DVD’s are the only way to ensure 100 plus years of reliable cold storage. No other storage can offer the longevity of discs. Period. HDD’s and SSD’s lose their electromagnetism which is what use equites to keep the data stored, leading to data rot and massive losses. I mean look how this dude treats his disks. Holding them wrong, tossing them around and guaranteed he’s not storing them in a cool dark place.

@DrCassette

7 ай бұрын

SSDs using electromagnetism to store data would be new to me. They are (at this point) not meant for long term data storage anyways. HDDs need to be backed up obviously. The discs I was showing in this video had already been transferred to HDD, they went into the trash after I made the video. Obviously I treated them carefully while I still needed them. This video was made 10 years ago. I still have everything I transferred to HDD back then.

@EyeForKnowledge.

7 ай бұрын

@@DrCassette All electronic hard drives use electromagnetism. Look it up. And they degrade with time.

@GTAMan21

3 ай бұрын

@@DrCassette What kind of CDs have you used? The cheapest possible? Made by CMC Magnetics? Because Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim AZO would be perfectly readable to this day

no offense but your opinion is unreliable

The golden Video-CD (or CD-Video?) singles are prone to disc-rot. I have a few. I used CD-Rs to store backup data but that seems to be not a good idea. The early blue-ish and the green-ish surface ones are the worst of all. Luckly I made also a backup on a HDD and that survived. I also think the quality of CD-labels (glue) can play a role at conservation of data. It can protect the reflective layer of the disc but can be also attack the reflective layer of the disc by used adhesive (acid concentration in glue). Finger prints (skin fat/acid) can also effect/attack the surface over time. I don't understand they didn't design a sleek caddy for it like minidisc and leave the disc unprotected. Especially when the data density increased over time such as long play CDs, DVDs and the worst of all, blue-ray discs.

@Pleyer7575lol

4 ай бұрын

Cd video is laserdisc the difference is Digital audio (and laserdisc does it)

That exact noise happens to me every time I use one of these turds

@GTAMan21

3 ай бұрын

What's your CD-Rs ATIP? If they're CMC Magnetics it will be the problem

I use Acme CD-R and that's it.

I Used To Buy CD-R Before My Last One In 2018 My Vivid Memory Is I Have A TDK 30 pack CD As Opposed To A 100 Pack dvd By Tdk

If you want longevity use CD-RW. I had lots of CD-R disks rust and get holy, even some factory printed disks, but even though CD-RW is a little more expensive and does not support high write speeds I have not once had one fail in 20 years. Even disks I mistreated managed to scan on my LG writer drive without issue.

@DrCassette

Жыл бұрын

Problem is, most of my CD players don't support CDRW... but I have mostly moved away from CD now.

@GTAMan21

Жыл бұрын

Rust on plastic? Hahaha

@DaRush-The_Soviet_Gamer

Жыл бұрын

@@GTAMan21 There is a foil-like metal layer on it that carries the data you know.

@GTAMan21

3 ай бұрын

@@DaRush-The_Soviet_Gamer That's the dye. Your CDs must've been manufactured with unstable dye technology. Not all CD-Rs are like this. CMC is to be avoided! Verbatim AZO (And only the AZO branded) to go for

What is`nt mentioned in this video, is that some home players don`t like these cd-r disc`s, so if your buying blank disc`s to play audio on a home cd player, my advice is to buy cd-r for `AUDIO` only, trust me, there`s a difference! i have a player in my bedroom that hates these standard cd-r disc`s and the reason i started buying `audio only` discs and my player plays everyone perfect, no issues! Don`t put stickers on your discs either, it effects playback.

@DrCassette

2 жыл бұрын

The CD-R Audio discs are indeed often (not always) higher quality than normal CD-Rs, however, the main difference is that the selling price of CD-R Audio discs includes a license fee to the music rights societies. That's why the consumer grade standalone CD Recorders will only take CD-R Audio discs. So most of the extra money you pay for the CD-R Audio discs doesn't give you additional quality - it is just passed on as license fee...

@carpenterscollector2910

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette Cd-r audio discs are no different in quality to the normal cd-r discs you can buy, the reason they work better in home recorders or cd players, is because they were specially designed for said equipment. As far as license fee arrangements go, i have no idea about that, but that`s not what the video is about :)

@carpenterscollector2910

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette Not found that much difference in price though, i took delivery of 25 Maxwell audio discs last week for £14.00, which included next day delivery. Thanks for the info though, good to learn :)

It all depends on the disc , quality. in majority of the cases , also a PC wouldn't be the ideal recorder.

You have used crap cheap branded CDR media all my CDR recorded 20 + years all play 100% now 2021 you problem was cheap media use not the right copying software & poor play back machines

@DrCassette

2 жыл бұрын

So what do you consider good media, the right copying software and a good playback machine?

@sabs1970

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette yes I will upload a video today of my 20 + year old CDR recordings with top grade CDR media used with high end DVDR 'CDR writers burners used plus lastly my play back CD players all work 100 %

@sabs1970

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette Taiyo Yuden are the very best CDR or DVD media or Verbatim pro or some Ritek media are good , software to write would be Image Burn or Ashampoo 6, 7, 8 the best DVD or CD writer burners would by Pioneer finally CD players that use a CDM4 laser pick up very good if still in good work order lol as they are now getting older these days

@GabrielMartinez-pe6ln

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabs1970 link please to video?

@GabrielMartinez-pe6ln

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabs1970 some people online say the Taiyo Yuden CDR discs aren’t readable anymore after a few years. (10-15 years)

I've had nothing but success using optical recordable media in 2021/2022, you just have to use the right burning software (like IMGburn) and it works flawlessly, i'm convinced everyone who had bad experiences with burning discs either has a bad disk drive or they don't know which software and settings to use

@DrCassette

Жыл бұрын

Your CD-Rs are only one or two years old then, that is not old enough to tell how reliable they are.

@exMuteKid

Жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette For the most part yes, but I did find a couple blank CD-Rs (imation and fujifilm) from my parents' "junk box" that were from 1996/7 or so, and they burned perfectly and still play today. Maybe your drive is malfunctioning, or if you live somewhere hot and humid that could also play a role in their reliability. To each their own though, you don't HAVE to like this technology, but personally I love using optical media in a world where everything is streaming and cloud based.

When your hard drive fails, you'll miss your cd-r's. Almost all of my cd-r's that are up to 25 years old still play and scan perfectly because I bought quality discs produced by Falcon, Taiyo Yuden, etc. The discs that you used were not quality discs unfortunately.

@DrCassette

2 жыл бұрын

When my hard drive fails, it won't have any effect on my music collection, as I have backup copies on several other hard drives ;)

@contentattic331

2 жыл бұрын

I have had multiple hard drive failures and have lost so many precious things no format is perfect but if you make say 5 -10 copies of some on cd-r test them once put them away in proper conditions they will outlive your pcs hard drive not to mention all the albums and such that don't have digital releases

@contentattic331

2 жыл бұрын

Side not this goes for movies as well dvds and blue ray and some don't have digital versions

@darinb.3273

Жыл бұрын

@@contentattic331 That's strange I can think of two possibilities 1) Poor manufacturing, Western Digital had a CEO that decided to cut costs on the clean room filtration system which caused contamination in all the drives made during that time which caused a lot of drives to fail. 2) There are a lot of vibrations going on where your computer is, hard drives are extremely sensitive to shock such as walking on a 2nd story building where the floor isn't solid or moving the computer while it is turned on, for example smoke particles will cause clearance issues between the platters and the drive's heads. They are extremely fragile electro mechanical devices multiple that by 4 if it is powered on and the platters are spinning. I think of trains passing in close proximity to where you live, perhaps children bumping the tower or objects hitting it stuff like that heat maybe a factor if the other issues aren't present. Anyway hope this helps.

You're not saying that any digital technology is crap, are you? Oh my... what a surprise. On the whole, i agree totally.

Hi

Cassette tape for the win!

Mini Disk is much better than CDRs.

@DrCassette

Жыл бұрын

Nope. CD is lossless, uncompressed PCM. Mini Disc is not lossless, you loose audio quality.

@robertlesaca4776

Жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette How is it not lossless? It just writes it magnetically on the MD and not optically on a thin film of metallic film that deteriorates over time on the CD.

@DrCassette

Жыл бұрын

Mini Disc uses ATRAC audio compression to reduce the amount of data that needs to be stored. Part of the original audio signal is lost in the compression process. CD does not have audio compression, it is lossless PCM. These are technical properties of the two systems...

@purpleghost4083

Жыл бұрын

@@robertlesaca4776 Not that it really matters much but, prerecorded MDs the record companies sold were made the same way CDs are made, they don't have the magnetic layer that recordable MDs have.

@DaRush-The_Soviet_Gamer

Жыл бұрын

@@DrCassette Not unless you use PCM mode and 1GB HiMD disks..... It sucks how much they cost though.

You talk cds grabable this dont. Cds original yes 👍👌

normal CD’s are way better

@DrCassette

Жыл бұрын

Normal CDs are much more reliable because they have a completely different production process

In my experiences the only reliable writable media are verbatim, as they are the only ones who still make there own discs.

can the damaging of the sound depending by the burning software? ( i mean errors and writing problems)

I guess I've been fortunate that this hasn't happened to any of my discs over the last 8 years or so I've been using CDR's.

I had discs that didn't hast more than 2 years after they were burnt. (Fortunately, the first thing I did with that DVD was back it up!) I've also had pressed CDs fail due to scratches on the label side, which scratched off the reflective layer. I've had CD-Rs whose reflective layer just peeled off, rendering it useless. These days, I only burn CDs and DVDs when I absolutely must do so, and even then, they're data discs. It's better this way.

if i remember right, didn't laserdiscs have the same problem?

For people who wants to record still music on CD... Keep in mind to burn it in a slow speed like 4x or 8x by max, it takes longer time but last way longer ! I still have a CD-R from 2004 which suffered a lot and it still works well ! A friend i know who still have CD-R from 1994 (!) works like in the first day !

The stick on labels are always bad. They often throw off the balance of the discs. That was the case with some DVDs people were making from my sister's dance shows a few years ago.

The big problem with the technology is the dye. Since CDR hit the market a lot has changed in the chemical compositions. For instance the first writable media you could get where I live were Kodak Gold disks. A few weeks before the release of windows 95 there was already a pirated copy of it available. I have a copy made in those days on a Kodak Gold disk. This disk was also written on 1X since the first drives didn't go faster, this disk still works. Most of the cheap ones I've thrown out

If a brand new CDR has for whatever reason scratches, I won't use it. The only difference between regular CDRs and CDR Audio discs is that a part of the price you pay for the "for Audio" ones goes straight to the music industry. That's why most HiFi CD recorders will only work with the "for Audio" discs. Because the music industry automatically assumes that people only use CD recorders to copy their CDs.

2.21 I have that problem too. How to avoid that ?

What's the song name @ 2:11 ?

I have some music on some CDRs recorded years ago & the 1s that I stuck labels on didn"t work at all after a few months,. yet the same batch where I just wrote on the disk work fine & are still OK

i only buy verbatim cdr pro's !!! have done for many years !!! them cheap cdrs never last more than 5 years !!!!!! great post dr cassette !!!!

The only reason why I stopped using CD-Rs is because they're, in my opinion, more obsolete the records. But out of all the 80s CDs and all CD-Rs I have, I've only seen 2 bad ones (both were CD-Rs). The first one, the sticker damaged the data surface and kept skipping and came to the point where it failed completely. The second one was just scratched to hell and tracks 1-8 played fine but you would need a powerful player to play the rest of the CD. All the rest of my CDs work just fine.

Does age of cd-s affect on their quality of playback?

DVD-Rs are about the same...I have a few DVD-Rs that no longer can be read....just gives an error on my computer (and two other computers i've tried)....

My Denon DCM50 Cd changer will not play cdrs when it does it jitters.

CD fungus has been a problem, I read about that a few years ago. But as far as I know, the only reason why the fungus was able to destroy the CDs was due to production errors, they didn't seal the edges of the discs properly.

you explained it very well here friend! I got some original Rolling Stones and Black Sabath CDs, and they only can be played on computer and they are about 7-10 years old. I got some 30 and 40 year old cassettes that still play allright!

@rft2001

2 жыл бұрын

It may be your player's laser is getting old. I have originals of the Stones and Sabbath cd's and all play perfectly. Many problems are because of the player, not the cd, especially if it is a pressed cd.

I've had many instances where the CD-R's metal layer will start peeling away from the disc, even when they are stored properly. I've had far less problems with prerecorded discs as most of them have their metal layer embedded. That early CD suffered from disc rot, they used a different formulation of the polycarbonate for those early CD's and a lot of them suffered this problem, and so did Laser Discs. In the end though, a properly stored record will out last all of them.

Wrong. As I stated in the comments below, all my CDRs are recorded on the lowest speed possible.

Also, I have bought CD-Rs from small indy labels, of vintage 78rpm transfers of Gilbert & Sullivan, John McCormack, etc. These were all PC burned & many of those discs have that horrible digital static after about the 11th or 12th track(outer edge?). I should've ripped them to the PC but didn't. Very few CD-Rs I burned on my Pioneer have failed, but like you I don't totally trust them as any kind of archival format. Yet I have two gold audio CD-Rs burned in 1995 of 1961 tapes that are flawless!

Its amazing how much information you can find if you just google "CD-R reliability". There are also some nifty utilities that can tell you who made your blank CD-R. However, I have had good results with Memorex branded CDs/DVDs. They just seem to be made betterand last longer.

For 'quick and dirty' recordings I have always used cassettes. Whenever I wanted better quality, I first used a CD recorder (wich no longer works, still have it though) and later the audio input of my PC and Audacity.

It surprises me how much time some people seem to have. I good system is a system that works without requiring scientific studies. Compare that madness you've descirbed to the cassette system. Just pop a random cassette into the deck and press record. And the cassette (with some changes in the overall frequency response) will still work fine 40 years later.

@rft2001

2 жыл бұрын

It is true that my cassettes still play that are 40 to 45 years old but some of them slow down and speed up, warble and, as you noted, have lost high frequency response. My old cd-rs, on the other hand, all sound great and still play. They may or may not last as long as those cassettes but, at this point, the cassettes are hardly even worth listening to except on the boombox. From all of the longevity studies that I have done, I fully believe that my cd-r's will last another 20 years at least. Falcon discs, whom I consider to be the best at this point in time, have done many longevity studies to certify that their discs will last 50 years for the silver and 300 years for the Century line. Mitsui give similar longevity study results for their discs.

that is bizzare, the only real failure of CDs i've seen in the past has been CD fungus...i guess it degrades over time just like tapes do, but tapes last longer than that!

Oh yes the CDRs I used were shiny on both sides but I stuck the labels on the right side

This video rings true in several ways for me. I well remember the first "affordable" Philips CD audio recorder when introduced in Jan.1998, for $800. Pioneer had two CD recorders that sold for $1,500-$2,000 in 1996. Marantz had a CD audio recorder in 1994 selling at $4,000! In 2000 I bought a Pioneer PDR-W739 for $450 that has served me well. Record speeds are 1X & 2X. Once recorded the discs have lasted well, but some brands fail at the start! I burn PC CD-Rs at lower speeds too & have had duds

I usually don't listen to CDs at all, I'm not a big music lover but when I do want to listen to music I have my records. I mostly use discs for data, I hate it when my discs deteriorate, especially if there's something on there that I need and don't have another copy of. I haven't had a CD last more that about 5 years before it becomes unusable. I had more luck with recordable DVDs, they seem to last a lot longer.

So, should I transfer all my CDs to cassettes, then?

@ritchienavarro6096

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Yes

i love old technology its so robust

I have problems with them, too. Although, they're great for storing antivirus program setup files, since a CD cannot get infected with malware.

You can't avoid that. It simply happens.

Yes, it also happens to DVDs...

@DaRush-The_Soviet_Gamer

Жыл бұрын

Nowhere near as often though. DVD's have their foil(DATA) layers sandwiched between 2 plastic layers so minor upper (Label) surface scratches will not cause rusting spots like it happens on CD and Blu ray which basically uses a foil sticker on a single plastic layer, so if your printed label is not thick, a dust particle in the drive could cause long term rust holes due to micro scratches. Especially on shiny Label-Free disks. Most reliable optical media now days are. Verbatim. And in general you should use CD-RW with thicc gapless labels. DVD-RAM (Type 4 cartridge) and Verbatim BD-R with thick and slippery gapless labels.. Avoid Panasonic BD-R as their labels are thin and rough and will crack and scratch easily.

Hmmm. Computer? Music? I'm sorry, but I think that's where you're going wrong, along with the brand of disc. :-( I use a *PROPER* Hi-Fi Pioneer CD recorder, along with well-known brands like TDK, Verbatim, Traxdata & Sony. I ALWAYS ensure there's no dust in the CD tray or on the disc itself, then I record. Apart from the odd occasion where the recorder annoyingly records a zero-second track on the disc (Grrr!) I've never had any problems with CD-R/RW discs. Use proper "For Audio" discs! BBD

No, aside from trying it out, I've never used the SR11's slow motion function.

The few TDK CDRs I had turned out to be absolute crap, and they weren't even cheap. I too still buy music on CD and I will keep my collection of original pre-recorded CDs. What I have been doing is throwing out CD-Rs I barely ever listen to anyway. And of course, I do back up my data. However, I never had a HDD that gave me trouble. The few ones that didn't work I didn't trust anyway.

I recorded all my CD-Rs on 16x wich is the lowest spped my CD burners will support. I know if you burn CDs with 52x speed they won't last very long.

I have some audio cd-r's and data backup discs from 1998 and they're still working. I suppose a lot depends on the quality of the discs and what speed they were written at. Not to mention how they are stored.

A computer will do nothing else than a CD recorder, in fact some CD recorders use computer drives internally. I do in fact have a Philips CD recorder, however it has turned out to be way less reliable than a computer. And it obvioulsy doesn't help when you want to get music files from your computer onto CD. I have used both Sony and TDK and I have had CDRs by both of them that went bad. Especially TDK I found to be quite cheap. And I too make sure there is no dust around.

my tdk's from '94 '95 that still work great. I think the quality of media and recorders was better back then.

Do you think maybe in the future our flash drives will still work? I guess as long as we don't write to them too many times but maybe even then they will just shrink!

@bmmaaate

Жыл бұрын

They just suddenly die for no reason. How are yours doing after 9 years? I put one in the washing machine, by mistake and it worked great for at least 5 years, but then suddenly died.

No. It's digital. For as long as the disc is playable, the quality remains exactly the same.

between about 2000 and 2003 I burned vinyl to CD-R Audio to take abroad. I had to take the Philips audio cd recorder back under warranty 4 times with read/write problems. Now about a third to a half of those discs are useless. The brands I used wee Traxdata and Hi space. The worst ones seem to be the transparent type, there is no protection either, the label side is the back of the dye layer. lucky I kept my vinyl. The later ones I burned on computer to verbatim cd-rs have so far been ok.

I've had some of my prerecorded CDs suffer from small dots. I just copied them to a CD-R but I don't think there will ever be a format that will outlast records. They want you to keep buying the same songs over and over.

It is not a unique case that only happened to me. Just do some research to understand what this is all about. There were even TV programmes about these problems and how optical media is unsafe.

Agree with you. I've always treated CD-Rs exactly the same way. But the ones with the most important data fail. As the time have shown, TDKs are terrible, but Verbatim are still OK!

Oh yeah, another common, really annoying problem I've had with CDs is that the coating sometimes peels off and flakes away. Absolutely sucks. Almost makes you think tape is more reliable than CD. Go figure.

@DaRush-The_Soviet_Gamer

Жыл бұрын

Only use media with extra thick and slippery labels. Verbatim makes good BD-R disks. maybe they do the same tech for CDs too. What burner you use doesn't matter as long as it's not broken, or shaken during the recording process

That Platinum CD-R said...., 'The Recordable Compact Disc for Professionals'. Quick Question, Is there a recordable compact disc for... 'Beginners'? LOL!! I must say I can identify with you and your plight. You're still lucky to have them in one piece! Sometimes you pick them up, and, they're all flaked out!! I'm considering going back to the good old cassette tapes, because I have tapes that are older than me, that still play as if they were recorded the day before in a high end tape deck!

Nice video, back in the day i use alot of cd'r for music. Now i have my NAS and a XBMC setup ;) But i still use cdr's for old game console's, i know it is crap. Funny thing is that a 23 year old floppy still work.

The cause is irrelevant, the result is what counts. And the result is a CDR that doesn't play properly anymore. As for user error - both me and my father are intelligent enough to burn a CD. Trust me. The CDs have been in a cool and dry place for their whole entire life.

Look in the comments below, it has all been discussed before already.

Well you have had some good luck then. As I said in the video - recorded last forever IF treated well.

I always use high quality brand name CDRs, I burn them at the lowest speed possible and I store them under pretty much ideal conditions. Still, they fail.

Ive had a lot of cdrs fail iver the years no matter how they are stored ive had the coating peel off as well so its true they arnt reliable

never really had issues with cd-r's infact a few still work from many years back. All depends on the equipment aswel. Its not a flawless technology i agree and i cant playback cd-r's in my 1983 cd player as it doesnt agree with the encoding, well it jumps alot and takes time to read it.

The CDs have been stored in our living room in a proper wooden CD shelf for their whole entire life. No excessive sunlight, no excessive heat, no excessive humidity. Only dumb people will put HDDs next to speakers.

Wrong. After recording, the magnetic information on the tape will start to slowly but surely fade away over the decades wich becomes noticeable in a loss of high frequencies. That does not happen on records.

I have my music on my computers!!