This is an interview of the highest calibre. Helen Pluckrose presents the issues we face in the task of rescuing the best of our culture with forensic clarity and intelligence. This interview is laden with memorable quotes and phrases that succinctly summarise the forces at play. It takes real intelligence and clarity of thought to present the complexities that underlie the tectonic plates of cultural dissonance with the accessibility that she achieves.

@shlomorabenovets4709

4 жыл бұрын

not to shabby yourself Doc!

@ballisticpotato8825

3 жыл бұрын

I am going to watch this again - I'll be honest, I have no clue what she was talking about.

@sandiec6063

3 жыл бұрын

@@ballisticpotato8825 she was talking about dogs genitals

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic comment, thanks for chiming in and posting your thoughts. :)

@Ebergerud

3 жыл бұрын

Ironic isn't it. Ms Pluckrose, like James Lindsay, was attracted toward her unusual road in pursuit of the "new atheist" movement. (You could add Stephen Pinker to the group too.) They were attacking theism with argument - like good children of the Enligtenment - which put them in the cross hairs of the new postmodernists who don't seem to require reason. Christians also need to affirm objective truth. So here we are allies - Christians and atheists against the nihilist barbarians so prominent in our moment in the public arena.

Helen Pluckrose is perhaps the most articulate and nuanced thinker I have heard on the impact of postmodernism in the academy, especially the humanities, as well as the larger culture. I look forward to her book. Thank you so much for the quality of this interview.

No interruptions, structural questions and time to form answers. Lost arts in today's world.

@TJ-kk5zf

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan and Candace need to pay attention

@albertobernal2537

Жыл бұрын

@@TJ-kk5zf Somewhat pedantic there Mr./Mrs. T J, but fair enough.

@albertobernal2537

Жыл бұрын

Underrated comment. I fully agree.

@TJ-kk5zf

Жыл бұрын

Do you even know what pedantic means? Those two interrupt too much and need to learn how to interview.

"we've forgotten how to defend the values of modernity" - preach sister!

What a brilliant Woman! You get a sense of unbiased, honest and open appraisal of the current environment and it's philosophical, ideological and scholarly underpinnings, the mark of a true intellectual and student of knowledge. Great interview.

Excellent interview. Helen Pluckrose is one of the most sensible and intelligent voices in the world today--and John Anderson is a top notch interviewer. Well worth the time to watch!

I so value the integrity of John and his interviewing skills. Spot on every time! Thank you from the US.

@Maelli535

4 жыл бұрын

Well put! Thanks to him and you from Europe!

@petermathieson5692

4 жыл бұрын

Spot on every time. His guests are great. So too is John, my goodness, what a gift he is to us all.

@Apriluser

3 жыл бұрын

@@petermathieson5692 Yes!

John Anderson interviews are some of the best on KZread. I am always impressed by the guests and the tone of the conversation. I'm always left with the question: if this is what one intelligent man on a small budget can produce, why do we (in Canada) pay upwards of 1.5 B$ to fund the CBC and the crap they consistently produce? Where is the value?

@PaulBKal

5 жыл бұрын

TofeldianSage or in Australia, the ABC. And I’m sure there’s lots in Britain would join the BBC to your question.

@lotstolearn5350

4 жыл бұрын

Mainstream media is agitProp (agitation propaganda). See the Yuri Besmenov interviews for a full explanation.

@coweatsman

4 жыл бұрын

@@PaulBKal At least the BBC is self funded with proceeds from TV licences which is voluntary.

@coweatsman

4 жыл бұрын

He was the leader of The National Party for a time and Deputy PM.

@jdlotus8253

4 жыл бұрын

@@coweatsman Au contraire, the BBC and Channel 4 both receive massive taxpayer funding on top of the license fee. A fee that is payable if you watch any TV at all.

I just love her, her astute and clear voice, and pleasant presence of personality. I hope she goes on Rogan!

I admire Anderson's interview style. An eye opening view into the power of higher education. Unsettling.

@margaretdent1312

3 жыл бұрын

menckencynic because that is not the media’s agenda

What an intelligent young woman! And a humble too!

Wonderful stuff. There is hope for this civilisation yet. Helen, you are my hero!

@mixrable1212

3 жыл бұрын

There's always great hope for civilisation. Just that we focus on the most negative, loud mouthed, empty vessels because they make more noise. The silent majority continues to work through all forms of trouble that the vocal minority brings.

Mr. Anderson, you are an incredibly gifted interviewer. Thank you.

She has a GOOD HEART. That's what matters most... I disagree with her economics, but agree totally with her ethics.

@DP-cd5wr

3 жыл бұрын

Recent events and the blatant hysteria have shown me the stupidity of my own tribalism and ideological loyalties. It is great to see people of all creeds and leanings speaking up against the mob mentality that has taken over huge swathes of society. I think one positive outcome of the last 10-15 years has been a resurgence of people trying to genuinely rediscover rationality and objectivity. who knows, we could be on the cusp of a re- enlightenment.

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

@@DP-cd5wr Fantastic comment, thanks for bothering to post :) What I'm noticing is that the old terminology I grew up with, just definitions and basic understandings of what it means to be 'left' and 'right' for example, don't really exist anymore. I can't use the same terms I would have in conversation in the 1990's for example. They mean nothing in 2020. This 'new Hard Left' have nothing to do with what it meant to be a 'left-wing liberal' when I was growing up. I don't know what the hell to call these Antifa-supporting, intersectionist, neo-Marxist who are going about behaving like textbook fascists whilst proclaiming themselves to be 'anti-fa' and ' here to burn books for the common good', here to censor things 'for the common good', here to rewrite language, law and indeed history. The goal posts have been surreptitiously moved a few inches, as if by thieves in the night. Finally I noticed too. Many of what were once accepted as traditionally basic Liberal values would now qualify a person as part of a 'right wing'. It's a really discombobulating time to be political engaged. But like yourself, I'm finding new understandings of the mechanisms at play within this culture war so in that way, you and I are both more philosophical and into transcending the tribal wars, analysing it all instead of enthusiastically throwing ourselves into every emotionally charged, sanctimonious little skirmish going.

@DP-cd5wr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 agreed on all counts!

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

@@DP-cd5wr :D

@redbear2269

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly obesity takes a great toll on the heart... I encouraged her to look into a whole food based diet. Banking reform is not being discussed. Welfare reform is not being discussed. As food becomes less abundant reality will become clearer and clearer.. The RATOPOLIS EFFECT IS REAL...🤗😉

Brilliant woman and masterfully constructed conversation. Thank you!

She is brilliant and we need a few more thousands like her in media and academia. Oz needs John Anderson in LNP advisory group, immediately. He is brilliant too, and an endangered species.

Great Interview, and excellent work that Helen is doing and speaking of. A shout out to Peter B as well - keep up the good fight!

Helen is amazing! Wicked smart.

@anthonyglickman6245

3 жыл бұрын

My first time hearing her speak - BRAVO! - well spoken, deep knowledge and understanding of what's going on.

great pick for an interview, smart lady.

Would love to see more Helen Pluckrose and enjoyed John Anderson's approach {politics meets academia)

Thank you, Helen.

27:09 to 30:15, she gives a quick overview of the history of postmodernism. Just for this, the video deserves a thousand thank yous!!

@annabellee2703

3 жыл бұрын

Simone Streeter I agree wholeheartedly! Postmodernism is one of those things like the Event Horizon in that the harder I try to understand it, the more I feel like I don't understand it at all. My brain seeps out of my ears! I really look forward to her book!

You are amazing, Helen! So focused and concise - I love listening to you speak.

Top notch interview/conversation. This kind of high quality, intelligent content contributes significantly to the bit of sanity that sometimes seems to be hanging on by a thread in today’s polarized, information-saturated world.

Helen is awesome. She’s not only clearly pointing out the problems with applied post modernism and defending modernism, she’s doing it from the left. It would be great if we had more people on the right defending modernism from the pre modernists who are increasing in number and volume on the right.

@jonathanbrotto7278

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a job for me before I dropped out of my PhD.

@deusvult9837

4 жыл бұрын

Post modernism is just the rigor mortis of modernism, carrying the aberrations of the latter to insane extremes

Thank you John for introducing me to Helen Puckrose, a nice sharp knife in the draw !

10:12 Oh man. I can't help but laugh every time at this story. John's face as she describes it is priceless.

Brilliant, Helen. More power to you to take the truth to more people, especially the young being educated, and arming them with the arguments against constructivist, identity, grievance and power ideology.

One of the greatest academics in recent years, who gets torn apart by short form social media commenters who have clearly not remotely understood what she has said or attempt to do. Glad to see more intelligent takes here in this full interview.

This woman is amazing. Just found her videos on KZread and became an instant fan. This woman is an Einstein for sure.

The choice to openly and honestly answer the question about her political views in the current climate takes massive balls to do. Awesome interview

Isn't it wonderful to watch a rational and respectful discussion?

Always thought-provoking conversation. Mr. Anderson lets his guests speak!!!!!

This woman is my hero, she's doing God's work.

As my good dad would say, Helen is obviously a smart cookie and very articulate speaker to boot. Sound personal politics she is prepared to defend are the icing on the cake for me.

"That here are no absolutes has become the new absolute." That is absolutely spot on description of Critical Theory. I've tried to explain this contradictory implication to some of its proponents, without much success unsurprisingly.

We need more men and women like Helen to begin countering these insanities that are permeating our world.

Only just discovered this wonderful woman. I want to read all the fraudulent papers that were published. It might be the funniest book of the year!

26:40 - That's something I haven't heard anyone claim before. Interesting. About post-modernism coming out of the despair of the failure of marxism.

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

She's undoubtedly a smart, well read and thoughtful person but she does come out with a lot of bollocks too so my admiration for her intellect see saws a lot.

@steveliveshere

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I find her narrative driven and at times interlectly dishonest. Post-modernist objectivity isn't always her aim.

Helen Pluckrose is very clear and critical in speech and writing on postmodernism and wokeism. Her books are excellent.

OMG! John- I just discovered Helen Pluckrose today and I feel like I've just discovered Jordan Peterson... THANK YOU!

@Teasehirt

3 жыл бұрын

Yes - I agree, she appears to be a genuine source of viable good information and understanding.

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

Check out the Lindsay and Boghossian interview on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast, I think you'll get alot out of it. It's unbelievable how many satirical exercises and intellectual pranks fly waaaaaay over the heads of the so called gatekeepers in our culture and in political office. ;)

The fact this only has 20,000 views is such a shame

This affects students and HR policies.

Jon Anderson says "What does the "man in the street"............." whilst interviewing an accomplished woman, and I as a woman am watching this interview, and men and women are watching this interview. Talk about unconscious bias, or maybe not so unconscious, but the accepted norm

It was sad when Hong Kong was mentioned as an example of people standing up for democracy and freedom at 40:38. Now, China has swallowed up Hong Kong, and all freedoms of speech are gone 🇭🇰 😭

Fantastic talk. Thanks John and Helen.

Good on you Helen not only for expressing your ideas so clearly but for engaging in a discussion with someone who may be not from your side of politics.

Give this lady an MBE.

A true humble heroine.🙌🙌🙌🙌👌

incredible lady. keep up the good work.

Her book "Cynical Theories" is a great read.

This lady deserves a medal, very clear thinker

Courageous lady. Bravo.

Hallelujah! Sense!

Thank you for your clear and distinct answers Helen. Post modernism and the critical theories that have spun off of it, make for a complicated landscape that is hard for a layman (myself) to get a handle on without the proper study. You are a great help. Also, thank you for pushing back against John's assertion that secularity is part of the problem with these theories. I enjoy John's interviews but often hear him opportunely trying to wedge in his christian apologist tendencies.

Great interview.

That was wonderful, thank you.

Well done. Thank you

26:30 The First Wave of Post Modernists became CONSPICUOUS during the late '60s, but had started entering the universities at least 20 years earlier, waiting for senior staff to retire by the early to mid '60s.

John Anderson should have been the PM instead of John Howard. I say that as a Keating fan

John's reaction to Helen's self-deprecating joke at 15:17 :D

So she wants her cake and eat it too? Helen have you heard if you give a mouse a cookie it will ask for a glass of milk. Thus, giving up his freedom for a dependence on his cookie and milk provider.

I’m my opinion there has been a fast tracking of the development of what I’d call Interpretative Theory, into Instrumental or Applied Theory. I taught and encouraged the range of Critical Theory as a way or lens to see, interpret and understand my discipline area, Urban Design. I still support people experimenting with any and all theories, but there needs to be reality checks on them believing that the lens is more than it is. A brilliant quote I can’t remember the author of, is that a ‘critical theoretical lens should never be thought of as a corneal transplant’

I just found this from another video. Feels almost more relative than it did 4 years ago. This is interesting AND like other people mentioned, she is really clear on what she is saying making it easier to follow. I got to say it is making me think even if she is just skimming the surface here.

42:12. Another valuable attempt to define something! He describes his idea of 'civility.' A robust virtue indeed!

Fantastic explanations of subjects I was unsure. Now I know why I dislike so much of modern movements.

John and Helen would prefer not to judge anyone's motives, but, like MLK jr in his I Have A Dream speech, I'm judging.

Great interview with a fantastic guest, btw, second paragraph in intro second line. Should be sought .....

Amazing

The best explanations and clarifications of post modernism I've come across to date. I believe the sterling work of Helen and her two colleagues (check out their brilliant and amusing interview with Joe Rogan) is crying out to be made into a Netflix documentary complete with those that regularly draw upon the type of dubious research these brave patriots of academia have exposed.

Nice score, too. Makes me thing Lady Mary will soon be sweeping down the staircase.

There is already a strong push back against current cultural orthodoxy in the University setting and the pandemic is bringing it faster. People have gotten pretty cynical about the role of colleges role in determining policy or improving lives and the DNC has lost a lot of respect on the left as well. I think so many of us are politically and socially homeless that Bernie's popularity was just a hint of what we are hungry for and we all watched as the superficial use of identity politics torpedoed his campaign. The continued importance of the reality of disparities is also pushing this force in society. We need paths of solidarity not shame.

I completely disagree with her economic views but what an intelligent erudite interviewee. Would like to have seen her debate economics. Fabulous interview.

So academia should be taken as seriously as the Tour de France. Got it .

The interviewer says "George Orwell wouldn't have describe himself as a conservative" Errr yea, that's like saying Margaret Thatcher wouldn't describe herself as a socialist 😂 Below are two separate quotes from Orwell and I quote verbatim: "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism as I understand it." ....... “For perhaps ten years past I have had some grasp of the real nature of capitalist society. I have seen British imperialism at work in Burma, and I have seen something of the effects of poverty and unemployment in Britain…. One has got to be actively a Socialist, not merely sympathetic to Socialism, or one plays into the hands of our always active enemies.” The latter quote is from - George Orwell, “Why I Joined the Independent Labour Party”

Once upon a time social sciences did useful things like help design buildings and spaces that are more easily accessible for everyone from the young to the old and of most every ability. Now, well I'm surprised they're not ashamed

Aww ... "the Audience is the average person", I love her and it's so necessary. This lady should run the BBC. I like her liberalness but can we keep the traditional family and stop attacking it. WOW She super Ethical, I so Admire Her. I can't believe that this kind of stuff would be propagated, giving rise to soo much misinformation and false-information people are getting judged over these kinds of bias-information which the academics and politicians are publishing, gosh I am appalled to think lives are being ruined and laws created due to these kinds of happenings. Hello - Instead of loaded Language and Controlling the Narrative let's just be, body language is soo under-estimated and actually shows how we feel and think and is universal. "Can't rely on anything" - Let's just be mindful. Identity is about personalities of the mind. - The mind is subjective how can we create a society around it, let learn how we learn, and how we behave. And start ensuring we have a fair and equal system for our children so they are able to create a fairer world. This has to be imperative.

The pendulum swings one way. And then it swings the other way. The equilibrium is constant.

John Anderson for prime minister!

I LOVE THIS VIDEO, IT ALL CLICKS NOW AHHHHGGGGHHH

How do they define scholarship? I've always thought of scholarships as money or a grant to attend a school.

Thank you. 0:35 sort = sought. When did the word theory no longer mean a hypothesis that has transcended experimentation sufficiently to be an accepted tentative generalisation? It seems these days the word theory is used in place of the word hypothesis if not to describe any old toffee. I guess this is part of the language assault of post-modernism.

Who is the (Critical Thinking teaching) university professor under attack? At which university is he tenured? TIA

@childe13weston54

4 жыл бұрын

Peter Boghossian at Portland State.

HELEN !! FREAKEN SWEET!!!

41:02 I got distracted, but what is that floating past through the window?

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

If I were recruiting for M16 I'd pull you in for a stealthy interview, LOL. You have precisely the kind of eye for details that many others would miss entirely. I love it! But I confess, I don't know what that was either now that I've gone and studied it. :D

@Spagghetii

3 жыл бұрын

@@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 Haha, i'm pretty sure its just a crane load or so my intuitive deductions suggest.

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

@@Spagghetii Well I am disappointed. I was hoping it was something wildly exotic like an airborne merkin send adrift by an over-engineered wind machine on the set of a niche-genre, roof top, porno movie shoot. Boo! :D

@Spagghetii

3 жыл бұрын

@@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 I could be wrong as I haven't been recruited by mi6 yet...

@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

3 жыл бұрын

@@Spagghetii I believe in you! One day you will drive an Aston Martin Vanquish and drink martinis that are shaken and never stirred. I will now refer to you as 'Agent 4102'. ;)

Onya Helen 👏

Helen Pluckrose, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Dr. Stephen Hicks, ... who else critiques post-modernism that's worth checking out?

@carolemartin6892

4 жыл бұрын

Check out Dr. Gad Saad too.

@sprret

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Pinker, Peter Hitchens, Jonathan Haidt, James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian, Bret Weinstein, Sam Harris. These people come from very diverse backgrounds, some are avowed leftists, while others are firmly on the right, yet they have all done remarkable work dismantling post-modernism

@freecitizen2760

4 жыл бұрын

sprret : Pinker, Haidt, Weinstein, ... I’ll check them all out, so thanks!

@salcin9558

3 жыл бұрын

Douglas Murray

Are you run by your emotions? Are you tried of thinking for yourself? Want to someone to blame all your problems for? Then surrender to the religion of identity politics.

Came here for the intro

I am working on a site to show like the Quantum duel slit experiment that humans have duel or quantum perception that truths are relative to one on one events, rapport and integrity rather than illusive political structures. Today with block chain from Estonia democracy and authentic ID we will be able to build consensus locally and nationally.

I wonder what she thinks about the Australian Liberal Party now?

Helen is great on twitter

"There's been a marked decline in objectivity of thinking." Jesus Christ this is true. You two are fantastic! And if any of you would like to see what I wrote in response to the cluster that Identity Politics have turned the world into in 2020, and on my firm stance in support of free speech, here you go: www.whyihatepolitics.com/2020/06/11/i-oppose-corruption/

There was an article in The Australian about a week ago is transcript of the speech she gave at the Ramsay Institute of Western Civilization (Sydney). Well worth it! www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/the-problem-with-grievance-studies/news-story/674aefae465e3b26b9690f2997510d33

Eminently reasonable woman.

Just came here to let you know that I searched your name on Twitter and Google and never found your Twitter account. I had to use youtube and than navigate to your about tab just to find your Twitter. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy but it definitely felt like it

The interviewer is a rare gem in a sea of shit..a star in a sky of fart. Yet jewelry embody our existence and stars guide our way. If he didn't brave the shit or smell the fart.. We'd be lost. Topshelf journalism. God bless you, my dear fellow human.

0:45 "sort to expose"? Ah, I see what was meant.

16:00 I don't think it's always about stupidity, but pretending to go along with a lie to achieve some goal which might be hidden or not. As in the USSR, the leaders there pretty much all knew that a lot of what they would say were lies, yet they went along with it believing whatever goal they would achieve was more important than telling the obvious truth. As in, the majority don't really believe in the lie, but pretending to believe in it will give them an excuse to achieve a goal which they would not be able to when not pretending. One example would be celebrities on KZread spreading misinformation. They know themselves it is fake, but they sure make a lot of money making videos about it to others who neither believe it, yet latch on to it and pretend it is real because they too have some personal agenda related to the fake news.

Now he is really pissing me off, "If nothing else gets taken from this conversation, it's that ..........". Well that's an effective way to diminish her work. Jon Anderson, the many messages and issues are readily understandable. A particularly astute point is just that. We can take it all away, all at the same time. Her work stands. Explain for the "layman"...for christ sake, Helen Pluckrose is a clear communicator and her work easily understandable, Doh! His commentary is littered with male bias, no excuse for that. But then again, he is a conservative.........22.30......she didn't let it all slip by, but did he get the message?