Mrs Pluckrose has risen to the top of my favorite public intellectuals in notime. Reasonable, balanced, precise and competent. People like her speaking up is crucial at this point.

@noellewest4347

3 жыл бұрын

I could not agree more. She has played a vital role in my post-graduate work, so much so that I have left the US to pursue my doctorate in Europe.

Absolutely fantastic lecture, Helen. Thank You.

What a calm, clearheaded and well put speech. I love listening to Helen's insights, this seems to be exactly what is missing in today's discourse

Good job Helen. Keep spreading the word.

Thank god for Helen Pluckrose!

The scariest thing about this video is that it only has 5K views.

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

I just went to reply, but our conversation seems to have disappeared... Any ideas?!

@TheDionysianFields

3 жыл бұрын

@@just_another32 A lot of stuff seems to be disappearing these days and it's more than a little disturbing. I'll make a comment on your video and we can (hopefully) continue the discussion there.

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDionysianFields It is indeed disturbing!

@rosemma34

Жыл бұрын

@@just_another32 carry on

Thank you for this.

Awesome. I can´t believe this only has 8000 views...

Brilliant

Brilliant Helen.

Thank you for this!

Superb presentation.

Pluckrose has managed to clearly lay out a complicated and often muddled epistemological topic

Thank You. William Wallace: “I am William Wallace. And I see a whole army of my nonwoke patriotic countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny! You have come to fight as free men. And free man you are! What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?” Many random peons: “No! No….” Some random peon: “Against that? No! We will run, and we will live!” William Wallace: “Aye! Fight and you may die. Run and you will live, at least awhile. And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell the .01% and their minions that they may take our lives but they will never take our FREEDOM!” ALBA GU BRATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Long live America, Long Live Canada, Long live " the WEST", and God bless the free people for eternity. "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion" , Edmond Burke " The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke "Thank you KZread for the unjust Shadowbans", from a random peon. " Our father, the sleeper has awakened!!!"

I downloaded all these papers once and I had a good time reading them. They are unbelievably funny, especially the one about the feminist group and their menstruation and stuff.

Robert Jensen professor emeritus in journalism addresses this same topic. He has found that as a radical feminist himself he has been vilified because he questions certain aspects of the transgender lobby.

why so little views?

@ambermuhinyi9653

3 жыл бұрын

I don't think KZread promotes such videos.

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

@Unfolding Ideas I am not surprised. It is excellent. I imagine the reason for so few views might be that there are quite a few different videos about it. So I guess people are learning about it elsewhere and watching other videos. Greetings from the UK.

@TheDionysianFields

3 жыл бұрын

@@just_another32 I only see a handful of videos of this caliber (all by Helen or Bari Weiss) and it doesn't seem like people are learning very quickly.

@TheDionysianFields

3 жыл бұрын

@@just_another32 I only see a handful of videos of this caliber (all by Helen or Bari Weiss) and it doesn't seem like people are learning very quickly.

@just_another32

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDionysianFields I like your name!! There's a load of videos out there. I wasn't aware of them myself till this summer (events unfolding here in the UK got me desperate and I unearthed a whole lot of interesting stuff and became familiar with a whole lot of people who are balanced and reasoned and who aren't buying into today's ideological conformity). The more you watch, the more that pop up in your recommendations. :-)

Great job.

Great video. After working in higher ed environment for many years, I find it frightening that this is how curricula and content are being decided. I also find it upsetting that people who are "educated" can base their credibility and validity on that alone to promote one-sided conversation, partial truths, and agendas that don't truly serve the greater good for all.

Beautiful good and true!

Good stuff!

well thought out...

In all the push back I received from my professors for criticising postmodernism, no one ever told me it was over or dead. They told me I was dead as an acceptable intellectual. My senior Professor said I would never be recommended by her to anyone BUT I did get my A and honors degree in Cultural Studies with an emphasis on gender studies and more to my graduate school horizons was my growing focus on propaganda and communications. My paper on propaganda was also a bit critical of the academic system. I was in gender studies doing a critique of language on my own volition, our university had no critical communications department, it was all critical theory on race and women and I was in the wrong theory group both with the media criticism AND my gender studies. What I came up with on my own was inevitable (I was 38 in my freshman year) Critical language man that I am Propaganda was my focus point and well you have to study Chomsky if you study propaganda (and about 16 others) and if you do you will sooner or later find Foucault and if you find Foucault as alarming as I did you WILL HAVE To learn the language game of the postmoderns. I had done the existentialists years before and yet there was no difference. I asked random professors about this view and well I found Habermas. There was no teacher telling me what I should think about Post Theories unless I asked. But when I went to produce papers in support of social betterment for women, when I went to review what I called the history of propaganda in the west AND the east I found out. We don't like Noam Chomsky at all but we love Foucault. It made no sense to me for Foucault is clearly mad whereas Chomsky is as intelligent a man I have ever encountered, it was too much. I am not an atheist I believe in the church of reason and liberal academia, but we have a new catholic inquisition just as Helen says. Helen has gone beyond what I have learned and I love listening to her. I have an argument, a hair splitting academic argument with Dr. Lindsay and maybe some critique or some ideas for Dr. Peter Boghossian, hair splitting stuff about some ideas I have on pedagogical anti-woke or reverse propaganda. But with Helen I just listen, like a good dog, I am a dog in a pavlovian nightmare that looks like this: Is anyone out there thinking for themselves, I am starving for knowledge food and listening for bells like a mad soldier lost across enemy lines, hungry no bells listening

@rosemma34

Жыл бұрын

you lost me with Chomsky

A beautiful mind

Helen is DA BOMB! Go Helen. You'll waste no time listening to what she says or writes. Promise. D.A., J.D., NYC (atty-writer)

Insight equal to Dawkins, Harris, Pinker, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, (Fry and Gervais), etc.. Any chance of a co-lab with all of these? On say, a reason-based constitution, or.... a social-media surfers guide to better waves, or....

@JohnPendleton

3 жыл бұрын

Want to add John McWhorter to the list above.

This needs more views, hoy..... shit

Postmodernism was first accepted into literary circles in the 1960s. Helen would know all this, I only add. In the 1980's we have something more cultural happening in academia called the linguistic turn. This ended up being my field before I left college, left behind a PhD track because of what the linguistic turn had done to the humanities. By 200O I think the source of this lateral drift in the lazy anti-intellectual river of academia, this critical studies thing went way past the humanities but began to ruin the social sciences, then the cell phone became the people's heroin and today Group Think IS the ONLY individual consciousness, this way of looking over the shoulder for one's own opinion.

Wasn't there some australian guy who was making a documentary on this trio? I really want to hear/see some super good news about how these guys are still sticking it to the woke grievance study a-holes.

Very funny.....and scary!

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'Privileged' versus 'entitled'-- the same thing.

It's not even about a diversity of "identity features." Ever heard an academic bemoan the lack of diversity in Uganda or Laos?

None of those papers were accepted by leading Sociology journals or esteemed ones in traditional fields IIRC. Also I take issue with the very uninformed position about Disability Studies - especially as a Disability Researcher - which has multiple disciplines in it, some of which disagree fiercely with each other and aren't as reactive as they caricatured us to be writ-large. The argument proposed here also fails to understand why we're - those in Disability - in some instances skeptical about the uses of "Objectivity" as it pertains to sciences and knowledge. Objective Epistemic science cannot quantify whether or not a person has any inherent value, as that is a concept that exists outside of the empirical. Raw, impersonal data is used to make judgments upon whether or not a disabled person deserves to live, be accommodated, or is even capable of living a fulfilling life, even when the person expressly wishes that they are or asserts they do. Obviously, this presentation wasn't about that, but its failure to consider this disparity in its critique of Disabled responses to notions of Objectivity needs to be highlighted. I, like countless other Disabled and/or Neurodiverse folks, want people to be *objectively informed about our conditions not being superstitious signs of curses or negative moral judgments through appropriate scientific education. We do *not*, however, want that knowledge to be used -very much like the postmodernists being critiqued here - as a sociopolitical tool by modernists to advance unscientific and non-objective policies and attitudes, as has been for centuries.

@Jgregoire108

2 жыл бұрын

You dont like Objectivity, because Objectivity describes the reality you live in, and thus reject it on a purely subjective emotional level. Correct: Objectivity does indeed objectively prove that a human being has no inherent value! It is a VERY uncomfortable fact that from a purely emotional level the ego wants to reject. But thats the issue: There absolutely are extremely uncomfortable truths of reality that we MUST accept, or else we reject reality itself. Your level of rejection in the effort to not face the nihilistic idea that we humans are no more relevant to the universe that a speck of dust from some random rock out in space IS the problem. Imagine, if so, an asteroid was on a collision course to earth, and our entire planet is about to be wiped out... will rejecting and denying that reality change or alter the course of that asteroid? No. If anything, it brings it sharply into focus on just how utterly irrelevant our species (and our planet) is. Our entire world can die tomorrow, our planet wiped out in an instant... and the universe will continue on like nothing happened. Back to your illogical critique to Objectivity, our reality works on impersonal, raw data. Reject it all you want with your SUBJECTIVE morals concepts, but that does not invalidate the data itself (see the asteroid scenario above). The absurdity of Objectivity being "un-scientific" stems from your internal belief system, that is in direct contrast to the reality of our universe that operates on cold, hard logic, which makes your belief system on the same level as many of the Religions, that you un-ironically likely disdain. The beauty of the perfection of hard data can not be understated. It does not care about your beliefs, your ego, your mis-interpretations... it just exists, sitting and waiting there for an intelligent being to dig it up and bring it to the light. It cares not for your race, sex, culture, or idealogy, it is the perfect equalizer, because it will be consistently true to anyone and everyone equally. And the fact that post-modernists reject this reality is only proving the fact that we are REGRESSING back to a faith-based religiosity and ignorance. So how is this Progress? Lastly: You really NEED to accept the truth: You have no inherent value, your existence is nothing. Subjective value thus comes from what you do, not who you are.

@iedawahato

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jgregoire108 Of course a goofball like you would 1) incorrectly identify nihilism when Nietzsche was specifically arguing religions can no longer provide absolute moral authority (hence, "God" being "dead" and it something humans should seek to rectify by creating a new form of morality), 2) literally reiterate that "objectivity" cannot provide notions of value, something I already said, yet claim I'm "rejecting" it, 3) ignore the usage despite humans having no inherent value, of societies exploiting "Objective" data to suggest Disabled people *have less value in comparison to able-bodied people who have been assigned this nonexistent "value" via ableism and eugenics, including during the Holocaust. 4) Assume my position is one of theism when I am in fact *nontheist*. #AbledsAreWeird "Objective" data says absolutely nothing about people with autism yet has routinely been used as a rationale for euthanizing and abusing them to reinforce subjective notions of normalcy. The same is true with homophobia, racism, and myriad other forms of institutionalized discrimination. Even during the pandemic, people with disabilities or whom were neurodiverse were *automatically* being put on DNRs regardless of whether they had COVID, which included children. Does "Objective" data determining the difficulties health and/or development-wise disabled and neurodiverse people have mean they should be given less priority when they're sick than able-bodied people? What does data determining a person is blind, paraplegic, or even deaf have to do with their ability to function socially; information used to deny them basic access to educations and even segregating them? This is why Disabled Activism exists. Because people like you ignore that there are literal examples of discrimination - especially in the US - that saw entire SCOTUS decisions in order to change these policies. All based on flawed notions of arbitrary value that used tools that had no inherent value to create it through subjective interpretations of that data. There are people who are legally underpaid below the minimum wage in the US simply because they have developmental disabilities; what "objective" truths about how their brains function justifies this? But you don't care, because you clearly believe, based on your reactionary commentary, that stating that these things do not determine that is a "belief". You believe, that stating that Disabled and Neurodiverse people are entitled to the same human rights as able-bodied people in the respective society, is somehow a form of egoism. You're no different than a Nazi.

@steveliveshere

2 жыл бұрын

If you listen to the language of what she puts out it's not objectivity, it's narrative driven. She's ascribing motivation using non-object language.

@glenninuk8981

Жыл бұрын

@@Jgregoire108 I don't read Mwatuangi V's comments as you have. I don't think they are arguing that 'human value' can be objectively determined. They say 'Objective Epistemic science cannot quantify whether or not a person has any inherent value, as that is a concept that exists outside of the empirical'. that is the same point you have made. What MV is objecting to is characterising all proponents of Disability Studies as post modernists who deny people can be characterisd as able/disabled. And also MV is critical of 'modernists' who use pseudo science to argue that some disabilities can be used to justify denying certain, otherwise human, rights to people with those disabilities. On this last point I think Pluckrose was quite clear that science and rationailsm have been used to argue and justify very bad ideas. But it is by keeping the dialogue open that such bad ideas get rooted out, albeit in some cases not before they have damaged some people's lives.

Don't get me wrong: At this point I'm misanthropic enough to genuinely not give that much of a shit: If "Grievance Studies" rots the culture from the inside, and it collapses as a result - then quite frankly, the resultant self-inflicted "Dark Age" will be *exactly* what the "Grievance Studies" types (and anybody who mollycoddled/enabled/apologized for such pernicious twaddle) deserve. (On the plus side: it will be more difficult - or maybe even impossible - to engage in "fat studies" during the famine which would result from a massive disruption in the food distribution network, in such a situation.) (Judging by the levels of inflation and chronic "supply chain" disruptions post-COVID, we're arguably already seeing the beginnings of such a scenario - which I personally *welcome*, at this point. I'm right Deal with it

Brilliant