Mike got the last laugh when he took Dorian Yates under his wing. He helped Dorian become Mr Olympia and proved that the heavy duty principles work.

@oDnju

2 ай бұрын

Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

@@oDnju Blah blah blah

@Greg-il3lq

Ай бұрын

​@@oDnjuWeider made sure of that.

@peterthorpe4085

Ай бұрын

Dorian only met Mike twice and was weighing 275lbs at the time and Dorian has said although they shared similar training philosophy he felt to win the Olympia he did six working sets for each body part whereas Mike only did 1 or 2 Working sets …. He said at no time was Mike his trainer and both Mike and Dorian used the training philosophy of Arthur jones the original creator of HIT

@robitaillecopeland1996

Ай бұрын

Stop the glazing

" There is a lot of politics and when i call it politics, i mean corruption..." wisest words ever

Grew up loving arnold but Mike Mentzer was the man for standing up to the bully

@johnnybush3168

2 ай бұрын

he didn't drop the trophy!! like a gentleman he accepted it then PLACED it on the floor and like a professional he graciously left.

❤ for Heavy duty "Mentzer"

Ifbb has always been a joke ,the public finally got exposed to this over the years.

@HulktubeMotivation

3 ай бұрын

Politics may sometimes play a role in sports, but not all the time

@Thunderpussy1234

3 ай бұрын

@@HulktubeMotivation When there's large sums of money at stake - EVERY TIME.

The true winner was MIKE MENTZER, He may have lost due to politics, But he left us with HEAVY DUTY TRAINING. And HIS LEGACY. And ifbb can never do anything about THAT.

@lexiecash2343

2 ай бұрын

Mike mentzer was greater than arnold i met him at the nabba mr universe and he was great to talk to his legacy will live on.

@yeahsure9759

26 күн бұрын

How many movies Mentzer make? Case closed

@Universalknowledge13

21 күн бұрын

​@@yeahsure9759first off... No one looks up to Arnold as an actor. Never. Ever. 😂 And now and for awhile Arnold's ways in lifting have been known and most just see him as the physique. Mikes was better, but due to the politics ...he was pushed out of people's minds... But now his actual philosophy and ways of lifting are being looked at... Arnold, yes is rich and rich. Horrible actor. Horrible politician, and yea....

@lateralus2199

5 күн бұрын

@@yeahsure9759 How people did Mike rape, grope and perform pedophilia? Case closed

Apparently, Arnold's late entrance into the 1980 Mr was outside the rules also.

I have been a devotee of Arnold and his training philosophy. Now that I've got that out of the way, I believe his best showings were '72,'74, and '75. In 1980, he looked like a shadow of himself. He was in Hollywood shape, but not competition shape. He wasn't ready. He allegedly trained for eight weeks for the contest. This is after a five year retirement. Eight weeks? I don't think so. He pulled out all the stops, the judges were also good friends of Arnold. I don't recall if he had a had in promotion as well. Let's face it, Mentzer was the best physique that day, not Arnold.

@user-bz7uw9tg3z

Ай бұрын

Good point, m

@MrGlock86

Ай бұрын

Look what Kevin Lee one did in about 3 months after many many years off.. “Impossible” is a matter of perspective..

@user-bz7uw9tg3z

21 күн бұрын

​@MrGlock86 good point, m

@user-bz7uw9tg3z

21 күн бұрын

​@Mantastic-ho3vm good observation, I suppose it also comes down to what genetics nature gives one, in order to stand a chance in becoming a champion, m

@mewe1023

19 күн бұрын

​@Mantastic-ho3vm So arnold had it all than all the other body builders in that stage ?...Stop the cap fool.

Most contest are fixed. Name a sport. If it has to do with money, or gambling.

@johnnybush3168

2 ай бұрын

its all vanity. thank GOD i didnt follow it to their extreme.

Arnold taught us the stength of networking over hardwork.

@johnnybush3168

2 ай бұрын

yep sure did

@im_ericgarcia

2 ай бұрын

So you’re saying he didn’t work hard?

@getupwithmelol

Ай бұрын

@@im_ericgarciahe was on roids didn’t work as hard as mike he was a bully

@user-dk3up2nl1m

Ай бұрын

Im sure he had people do favors for the judges!

arnold is a dirty guy. he also fixed 1981 for franco to win

@HulktubeMotivation

3 ай бұрын

Facts

@Bueskes

2 ай бұрын

With the finest gynecomastia you’ve ever seen. Probably the most obvious set up win in bodybuilding history.

@garyshilton9502

2 ай бұрын

And in ‘76

@lobby-3alliance196

2 ай бұрын

This had created a stigma in bodybuilding with Joe Weider being fully aware, the judges according to rumors were changed by Weider to favor Arnold , with Weider it was bout the publication sales, and Arnold was the "golden goose", in shape or not !!

@DimMak74

2 ай бұрын

​@@lobby-3alliance196 That's exactly what John Hansen said happened at the 1972 Mr. Olympia against Sergio Oliva.......... Weider changed out the judges 5, maybe 7 times..........

3:00 - "...GEARING up for this event..."

@sonicboove4865

2 ай бұрын

You beat me to it lol.

Mike Mentzer. Anytime🙇🏻‍♂️

He was a movie star by then, did you really think anyone was going to earn that title. 🤨

Great video

There were so many other Bodybuilder that were miles ahead of arnold during his competition time....arnie at the height of his BB career... wouldn't even cut the classic physique top 10 nowadays days

Maybe Arnold killed Mike and Ray.

Congratulations to Arnold’s mates for placing Arnold in 1st place , you must be really proud of yourselfs. 👏

Mike Mentzer looked the best symmetrical body he looked incredible. And I can say I'm using his techniques and I can see incredible growth from working out once every 7-10 days. I'm blown away from the difference

@ForceOfLife999

2 ай бұрын

@brycecampbell4845 Day 9 is Amazing. Thats when you know its real..

@bbreon75

2 ай бұрын

I'm following Mike Mentzer's Heavy Duty program for about 8 months now and I lost 15lbs of fat getting into 15%-16% bf and my physique looks amazing. I'm not sure how to post my photo here though.

@ForceOfLife999

2 ай бұрын

@bbreon75 Congrats on that. I've been eating plant based for a while now.. and coupling that with mentzer's philosophy on intensity, training to muscle failure, and recovery have opened my eyes on to what true physical (and mental) growth can look like.

@oDnju

2 ай бұрын

Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.

@oDnju

2 ай бұрын

Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.

look at Tinerino at the 7.26 mark..looked great

Arnold is an ass-creeper and was backed-up by a strong Lobby which made him win and also became Governor later on. Mentzer was the real hero and left the HEAVY DUTY behind, wich is a treasure.. RIP Mike!!

Arnold was soft 1980 - everyone else on stage looks tremendous.

@oDnju

2 ай бұрын

Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

​​@@oDnjuArnold lost his family because he couldn't keep his snake in his pants. All because he all about himself. He's guilty of doing horrific acts. He has no human dignity whatsoever

@CenkHoca

Ай бұрын

​@@oDnjuhow so? Elaborate

Did you see that lineup of bodybuilders, that has to be the best lineup of all-time.💯

if any judges are still living, they should be interviewed and see what they have to say about that day of competition

@HulktubeMotivation

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Interviewing the judges who were present during the competition would provide valuable insights into their perspectives on that day's events.

@lateralus2199

3 ай бұрын

They need to interview the criminal promoter, and Arnold's former, illegal business partner, Paul Graham as well

@Joe-hp8kb

3 ай бұрын

That'd be like asking a police union if a cop did anything wrong.

@johnnybush3168

2 ай бұрын

that would be very interesting!!

@user-dk3up2nl1m

Ай бұрын

Arnold today should be interviewed on this!

R.I.P. to Mike he was a legend hands down

I'm not a big Arnold fan. In the body building world it's all about politics. Plain and simple. Sergio Oliva found that out the hard way as well.

11:41 again frame by frame watch n judge.. This contest and 1973 Mr. O Contest.. who ever had a better footage must have dug gold!

Arnold was given the title to help promote his upcoming Conan movie. Joe Weider’s decision

@johnnybush3168

2 ай бұрын

absolutely

Mentzer should've won the 1980 Mr. OLYMPIA hands down.

@aaronperez6379

2 ай бұрын

He was 5th lol. Dickerson Zane boyler all looked better.

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

​@@aaronperez6379Nope

There needs to be a federation as big as the Ifbb to give competitors a choice.

@CenkHoca

Ай бұрын

It's like saying there needs to be two world cups and fifa has to have competition.

@lexiecash2343

26 күн бұрын

There is NABBA remember Joe Wieder entered the Nabba Mr Universe but never won it.

@gigachil

25 күн бұрын

Im currently working on making that happen brotha, stay tuned

Noticed the 2018 Arnold classic too, the favorite was given hundreds of a second off to drop the stone. Compared to other competitors which waited about 2 seconds to hold

Mentzer had the better physique.

Both worked they just didn't get on. Steroids helped plus they trained on top of using. Mike died an addict Arnie had heart problems. Both looked great Both paid a price Arnie still with us. Both huge in the sport.

Nothing to do with bodybuilding... but in 2013, i only trained 4 weeks prior to a 21 km race. My first one in 25 years. And i completed it! Most people would have been out of breath after the first 10 km.

Its not like he wasnt already still huge during the conan filming.

Honestly Arnold was more of a bully than a champion!! if there is any chance of him loosing he will ensure the opponents are misdirected or manupulated before hand...MIKE MENTZER & KAI GREENE are peoples champions!!!❤

MIKE.... got Arnold to SHIT UP and sit down in a corner. 😂

Whose the shorter guy in the back shot at 1:09 - 1:10? That is insane level of back development in any era let alone that era. Wow!!!

@crownshep

3 ай бұрын

Tom Platz

@sleepydoctor4344

3 ай бұрын

He means the short black guy. Tom Platz probably had the weakest back among them all@@crownshep

@crownshep

3 ай бұрын

That’s Chris Dickerson

@johnnybush3168

2 ай бұрын

looks like Danny Paddia

Mentzer in the 1980 was better! Am an Arnold fan but that wasn’t his best year?

Arnold was a friend of a judge! He will tell you rhat he took.every advantage!

Mentzer finished in 5th place. if he had placed 2nd I would agree with him.

@lavarball3070

26 күн бұрын

go back to the boy scouts you have to grow up

@tjftor

25 күн бұрын

@@lavarball3070 ~ What are you saying? Please explain ...

@lavarball3070

24 күн бұрын

@@tjftor the politics are like that of the boy scouts

@tjftor

23 күн бұрын

@@lavarball3070 ok thank you now I understand what you are saying , take care.

@lavarball3070

8 күн бұрын

@@tjftor you too take care

❤️

No legs

@oDnju

2 ай бұрын

Mike Menzter no legs

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

@@oDnju And then you woke up with sawdust everywhere. Lol! Mike could use Arnold's legs to pick his teeth with. Arnold had the worst legs ever from an Olympia (Dumbo Columbo, next in line).

@Trendle222

26 күн бұрын

Arnolds Calves were stillk very good tho

@lateralus2199

26 күн бұрын

@@Trendle222 So? His thighs were long and lanky and resembled pool sticks. Thighs are suppose to be bigger than calves. His were the opposite

Arnold was hands down the best in the 1980. Mister universe Better all around he won

Arnold Schwarzenfreedom will go down in history as being the maskinator

Was a crime Mentzer didn't win this one. Arnold's upper legs and chest presented no where near show ready

You can complain all you want but it will not get overturned.

I wouldn't be surprised if Don King was there greasing the judges and Joe Wieder so Arnold would win.

5 hours Day training way to mutch

Nothing has changed. Just look at last year's Olympia.

Really irritating how you show Mike's younger brother Ray at different points when you are talking about Mike.

mentzer got ROBBED

Mike was right and Arnold couldn't live with that.

Arnold was MR .Olympia he can enter that contest with out notice! The other men especially Mike had to beat him on stage! Arnold beat them in the pump up room , he got inside mikes head and the rest speak for it self

His psychological warfare worked😅

Mentzer had much better approach to training but he could never match Arnolds genetics.

His classy wife took the kids & never looked back . He will die alone

Sitting down in a confrontation is the ultimate flex.

@edua999

3 ай бұрын

more like the ultimate pu$$y move

@lateralus2199

3 ай бұрын

Nothing like he is in his movies. What a wimp! Angry Kal Skalak confronted Wimpnegger at Gold's Gym and bumped Stupidnegger, got Arnuuuld got scared and he left! Lol! So typical

@007stopjockin

2 ай бұрын

​@@lateralus2199I never heard this story. Please elaborate. 007

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

@@007stopjockin Kal didn't like the way Weider was treating some of the bodybuilders (as he was making promises that he didn't keep. Him and Joe actually got into a physical confrontation over some photos that Kal didn't approve of. Lawyers were called upon in which Kal won the case and received the award). Kal then with numerous bodybuilders were trying to create a union to protect bodybuilders. Kal was one of the leaders of this union. Joe Weider was approached by the union members. Arnold was also on board then changed his mind at the last minute, jumped ship and pissed off Kal to the point that a fight almost broke out between them. Kal bumped Arnold with his shoulder, and Arnold left the scene like a wimp that he is

So far...... in most youtube videos I've seen, whenever Mike Mentzer is spoken of they show his Brother, Ray too. They're not Twins, so what's tge mixup?

If Arnold only trained 6weeks if he had 6months then he would have been victorious on all accounts. I’m not sided him just stating that he did look pretty dame good for hat short time but Mike looked in peak shape.

Mike Mentzer, Boyer Cole, and especially Sergio Olivia were all robbed Aronald should've won MAYBE 2 or 3 Olympia's NOT 6 yeah he was joes golden boy!

Yes yes, all this is true, we heard from voices, we heaed from voices. 🤣🤣🤣

Mike.. calm down

Hope everyone in the comments has an awesome 🙌 day 👌

@HulktubeMotivation

3 ай бұрын

you too mate

@WHAMaTRON

3 ай бұрын

@@HulktubeMotivation thank you 🙏

Omg this is so scary...

We all know if was fixed in 80 & 81

Arnold has accomplished so many great things but I do believe him to be a very difficult person.

@jvac1129

2 ай бұрын

So are most of the best athletes in the world in every sport. Michael jordan wasn't particularly the nicest guy. Worked out great for him.

Mike won plane & simple. Politics.

@oDnju

2 ай бұрын

Mike Mentzer lost to himself, he would never beat the champion.

If menzer was cheated out of first place, why did he come in third. Arnold had the presence and stage experience that put him in first place

Can someone name the whole line up they all looked incredible left to right

@angelodavid4282

2 ай бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Mr._Olympia

Arnold knew he didn't have it that year

Mike is right 😊😊

Arnold no full overall package that day and it showed.

I've heard, on the grape vine, Arnie wrecked shoulders all over the world with the "Arnie Press"

Arnold knew how affect his opponents minds

So Mike Menzer's perfect 300 score was fixed too. Ok.

I think Arnold winning had lot to do with his pose and how he made himself looks like he is in better shape and size by way how he pose on each different pose

Unfortunately, bodybuilding is a subjective sport. Judges are human and can be influenced like any of us. Arnolds height (Mentzer was only 5'8"), winning history, and other attributes probably played a role as well as Joe Weider. Arnold wasn't above using politics to his advantage. That said, he's still the GOAT and did a lot to popularize the sport imo.

@Thunderpussy1234

3 ай бұрын

Arnold's boy toy best friend Franco Columbu won 2 Olympia's.. and he was only 5'5"..! It's totally rigged.

@Joe-hp8kb

3 ай бұрын

@@Thunderpussy1234 Daaamn dude,simmer down ! Wha'd Franco ever do to you¡?😂 Good point, but Franco never won against Arnold. If it was totally rigged, I don't blame the competitors. It would have been Joe Weider. I guess I'm not sure where the line is between heavily influenced and totally fixed. 🤔

@TheSpritz0

3 ай бұрын

PAUL GRAHAM the promoter of the contest was Arnold's very good friend and frequent houseguest for many years...

arnold the professional bullshitter

@frankcastle2045

2 ай бұрын

But he is still alive and training 🤔😁

@anthonypimping201

2 ай бұрын

Mentzer is a piece of crap. Not worthy of an opponent for Arnold.

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

Barely alive. Almost died in the mid 90's because all of the drugs and PEDS he was consuming when he was competing. Just got fitted for a pacemaker a few days ago. Nice going, Arnie

@LuciaGTAVI665

2 ай бұрын

@@lateralus2199Yup, not to mention the heart operation he had a while ago. Seems like his heart is giving out, and dude is trying to advertise a healthy living by just doing light weights and cardio to extend the life of his heart.

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

@@LuciaGTAVI665 Exactly! Several heart surgeries. Can't eat meat as well (doctors told him to stop consuming meat) and is on a crusade against predacious consumption. Supporter of The World Economic Forum where they approve of eating insects over eating meats. Let's not forget Arnie's cigar smoking practices.

Training 5 hours a day Arnold ?

@HulktubeMotivation

3 ай бұрын

Yup he told so in an interview, He loved to over train

@bigcatz74

3 ай бұрын

@@HulktubeMotivation but training at least 5 x a week what could you train for 5 hours a day unless it includes stretching, eating , massage

@Joe-hp8kb

3 ай бұрын

@@bigcatz74 I heard him say the gym was like a party. He would take longer rest periods, goof around with the guys and just have a good time between sets.

@odessafile75

3 ай бұрын

Both Jerry Brainum and Dave Draper said Arnold did not train 5 hours a day as claimed but most of the time it was more like 1.5 hours more or less

@lateralus2199

2 ай бұрын

Marathon Arnold sometimes trained 3 hours a day twice a day in which he mentioned this in his stupid book, "Education of a bodybuilder" and other sources in Muscle Builder and other magazines

Less we not forget that Adolf (Arnold) was also given privileges early on because his father was a Nazi officer during WW2. Adolf's father, in reality, was given the nickname of The Terminator.

In the world of bodybuilding the one name always comes first and that is the king of bodybuilding world.Arnold Schwarzenegger alwaysssss.forever the best.who Mike mentzer nobody knows that short Lilliput

Arnold knew no failures. He's a machine.

Mike came in 5th not second. Robbed of nothing.

Yep. Many better BB’s were better than others.

Vegeta... Give me your power!!!!

Giants in the 80s. Best time ever

You can clearly see mike say... "Bullsht"

Yet the next year Franco won with gyno and a bad bicep! Go figure

@larrywerdeniuk-dm7cj

3 ай бұрын

No legs also. 🍗

@lateralus2199

3 ай бұрын

In a contest promoted by his best friend. How convenient

Fact is, Arnold was out of competition for five years, made movies that he was obligated to lose a lots of amount of weight (and so muscle also), we all see the movies in between contests to now that it's true, and when he came back in 80, the guy was like he almost never stop training, he was better than the others, so this bs talk about Mentzer losing was not Arnold fault, it was Mentzer fault, he was not ready period... And by the way, Mentzer method of training it's all bs anyway... 30m, 3 days??? Yeah right!!! So everybody that it's training for years and years are all wrong and cannot be able to achieve that level of physic!!! Oh, common, be serious about it!!!

Almost everyone was better than Mentzer. Somehow he tied for 4th which was a huge gift. They gave him 5th because you can't have two 4th place finishers.

If Arnold really get back his form in 8 weeks, then that should be the prime example for Mike mentzer HIT program.

Thats pretty much called snitching.

Damn,this world is evil. Arnold did such wow.

Joe Weider System And Bodybuilding 80's Forever.

@HulktubeMotivation

3 ай бұрын

love 70's n 80's

13:16 oh hes defo been on the sniff

Mike really knew what he was doing thats why he died much to young wake up people.

Arnold first got his figurative ducks in a row and verified that the judges were all his friends and only then would he announce that he was entering the contest - a day in advance, whereas the rules required a month's advanced notice. He hurled insults at Mike and at Boyer Coe at the competitors' meeting and had to be saved by Ben Weider from getting his clock cleaned. He neglected compulsory poses and that was overlooked by the judges (who, again, were his friends). He had a big screen movie role coming up and entered with full confidence Joe Weider would have too much to gain financially by his success to ever allow him to lose. Face it, if not for Joe Weider's sponsorship early on and Vince Gironda's hands-on tutelage prepping him for competition in the U.S., the name of Arnold wouldn't be much more than a footnote in the sport's history, manipulative bottom-feeder that he is. And unappreciative; when WAS the last time you heard him give Vince Gironda ANY mention, let alone credit?

@teufelhund53

3 ай бұрын

Yeah well, what happened happened and Arnold was the chosen one. No doubt 1980 Mr O was a huge blunder though

@PeterJRaia

3 ай бұрын

@@teufelhund53 true enough, what's done is done. What you said is an understatement, though. When only your sponsor (Joe Weider; he wasn't a movie star yet) and your friends the judges (along with gangs of fanboys decades later) see you as the winner - the audience present was erupting in boos - it says something about whoever would consider that a "victory". I was not there myself, but I know what I see when I look over the coverage.

@PeterJRaia

3 ай бұрын

@@Mantastic-ho3vm nothing new that hasn't been rehashed and rebutted. Arnold has lost to Zane (not that I'm saying Frank should've won in '80 as he was coming off an injury and a good way from his best), Chet Yorton, Sergio Olivia of course, and some Iraqi bodybuilder whose name I'm trying to recall. Arnold was big and imposing, and by all accounts had a huge hit to his self esteem when he lost. Hence Joe Weider sending him to Vince Gironda to train to really get in shape. Mentzer "creating a hype around himself" ? I knew the guy between 1981, and 1991 after he put his demons behind him; it's plain from your assertions you never did. He didn't like what Arnold DID, though yes, I don't think he would like ANYONE who didn't give credit where it's due or manipulative bottom-feeders in general. Look, I like the guy's movies too for the most part, but when it comes to who can be properly said to have won in 1980 and the backstory to the event, no one possessed of good conscience who followed Arnold's path to that platform has grounds to feel good about himself. I compartmentalize his movie (heh ... I will not call it "acting") career from his bodybuilding history, bottom line. The 1980 Mr. O fiasco is all I'm interested in discussing here, and there's a REASON why those who scoff at Arnold being awarded the Sandow that year were either the ones who were present (and booing Arnold) or those who've read and watched video accounts of it, whereas fanboys raised on Conan and the Terminator are, decades later, the ones digging up dirt on Mike and screaming "sour grapes" at him. My own opinion since you're making yours painfully clear is that either Boyer Coe or Chris Dickerson, arguably with Dennis Tinerino in the mix, could've credibly won. Arnold, Mike, Roy Challenger, Roger Walker, and Frank in no particular order after that, which pains me to admit as I've trained with Mike and am a huge fan of Frank's aesthetics. Your disparaging of high intensity training is groundless and ill-founded, and deserving of its own discussion (of which there are many on KZread if it interests you). Not going to be dragged far off-topic, not sorry.

@PeterJRaia

3 ай бұрын

@@Mantastic-ho3vm it may not have been me who rebutted all the Arnold sycophants, but they have been over the years. It doesn't interest me to do so yet again as I'm as indifferent to the rants of Arnold fans as they are to their hero's amoral conduct. Arnold "won", if you call being gift wrapped & handed to him by Joe & his cronies. He won in the same sense that the last WrestleMania champion did. The "best out of a bad lineup" is your opinion and you need no one's approval to voice it. ONLY your opinion though; not shared by many viewing this video or sounding off in the comments ...or, you know, by the people actually present at that contest. I don't think we'll find agreement on this. Arnold was, in my opinion this time, neither his own best nor the best on stage that night. One can argue (as we both see) that the same can be said about Mike Mentzer. All things considered, I don't think any OBJECTIVE man can argue who the better (not better promoted, rich, or more popular) PERSON is. We're at a point of essentially repeating the same talking points with merely different words, so I'd say that's a wrap. Have a good one; you and I are done with this.

@Nickman21962196

2 ай бұрын

@@Mantastic-ho3vmMentzer never said HE should have won. He simply said Arnold should not have bud

Also people forget, Arnold never really promoted his personal training system. Even in his encyclopedia for training it kind of followed the weider principles. If your old enough like me and started training 40+ years ago you remember. Nice video but it far far from the truth

I don’t know what you guys think but here it is Arnold worked hell hard and when there is a hate there is everything in it people will hate you because you have succeeded But when it comes to corruption I don’t know that part inked it’s a proven fact that he did but overall he has done remarkably well