"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

@caviper1

2 жыл бұрын

Who other than You can report the absence of dreams/thoughts while in sleep? Only the One witnessing. You had to be there, as always are...

@ived7138

2 жыл бұрын

This can open one up to accept things that are false like the presence of God as an external entity. If absence of evidence is not evidence of absence is to be taken literally, the world would be awash in blind faith (like the presence of heaven and hell). Vedanta’s approach is to question everything and use logic to find answers.

@eeteemehto3736

2 жыл бұрын

@@ived7138 vedanta shows the path for the ultimate wisdom of life== that in the end we're living in an illusion itself but mind is restless it needs something to munch upon that's why we keep fabricating material world else we would go insane

@MM-dh3wr

2 ай бұрын

@@eeteemehto3736experience requires body. Enlightenment requires experience.

@MM-dh3wr

2 ай бұрын

@@eeteemehto3736 experience requires body Enlightenment requires experience Vedanta is taking you nowhere…..keep bringing new words are not evidence

He is a blessing! Love from Germany to anyone!

@gridcoregilry666

2 жыл бұрын

@@rachitgoyal5663 haha sorry, corrected it!

@SuperstarSridhar

2 жыл бұрын

Lots of Love to you also, Julio. Wishes to you and your family.

@gbapparao8726

2 жыл бұрын

@@rachitgoyal5663 c roll on for class 6th c a r d 222w

@iamcalledirenechaliz-lopez

2 жыл бұрын

...LOVE BACK AT U FROM MIAMI, FL., 🇺🇸 🌎

@irmabronder

2 жыл бұрын

Love back from the United Kingdom.

Simple answer - to experience the blankness of deep sleep also requires something, which is consciousness.

@ramachandranr8060

2 жыл бұрын

S. U hv simplified it so beautifully

@nguttam1982

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is exactly what he's saying, but in a technical way.

@pvgopiabnle

2 жыл бұрын

There you are.👌👍

@kuldeepchhetri1355

2 жыл бұрын

But we do not experience deep sleep we just infer it using various objectives

@pvgopiabnle

2 жыл бұрын

@@kuldeepchhetri1355 👍 But can you please mention the various inference points?

I don't know how much I would have struggled without swami's guidance.

@AMITKumar-fn3qo

2 жыл бұрын

Me too man

You are🙏 my guru Pronum Maharaj 🙏🙏🙏

If you can remember you were not dreaming that is because You were there... Otherwise who was there to now report an absence of dreams... it can only be You.

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

No, you just remember the last thing before you went under. And when the mindbody wakes up that last memory is back and active. And your chain of thoughts continues from there. There was no one and nothing there during the deep sleep. No observer, no consciousness, no object, no subject, nothing.

@caviper1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Traderhood There is no possible way to know all that without a witness subject present at that deep sleep when no objects were being produced by the mind. Example: How is it that upon waking up from deep sleep you can estimate what time it is? Absence of dreaming mind REM does not mean absence of awareness. In your explanation, you would not awake to a loud noise, yet you do. Thus aware You always are.

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

@@religionofpeace782 Actually these videos are those teachings. And I would love to believe them, but since I have inquisitive mind when I see discrepancies I question them. It is the easiest thing to be a youtube guru. You can talk for an hour and nobody can question you. If someone tells me I am not that which I can observe I have to naturally ask if someone cuts YOUR finger will it hurt YOU or ME? So pardon me the interruption while you want to consume everything without questioning. Including the hook.

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

@@religionofpeace782 I am not consciousness having material body. I am material body having consciousness. Which can be turned off by anesthesia temporarily and by death permanently. The nature of consciousness is to be conscious. Under anesthesia you are temporarily unconscious. Under death you are permanently unconscious. Your and my body are part of the same quantum field from which everything springs. This however has nothing to do with consciousness. Everybody here goes ooh and ahh because some dude in yellow pajamas said so. You are all seeking as me. And you settled on your guru as an answer. And you feel uncomfortable that someone is threatening to take that belief from you. Otherwise you would not be bothered by someone like me who questions those beliefs. Because that’s what they are, beliefs. And I am here because I am still considering, at least in part your belief to be true, otherwise I would not be here either. But so far I am inclined more to nay than to yay.

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

@@religionofpeace782 And please stop that nonsense about analytical thinking and me not being able to understand what is being said.

Swamiji I have a special request to make. I read the Udhhav Geeta recently, and I could co-relate a lot with your teachings. I would earnestly request you to discuss a day on Shri Krishna's upavachan written in Uddhav geeta (with respect to Advaita Consciousness)

How assuring it is to listen to Swamiji. Pronam!

I don't know whether I need a separate mantra dikhsha... His teaching is the ultimate blessing. Pranam Swamiji. Hope to meet you someday. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

🐟 02. A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF “LIFE”: Everything, both perceptible and imperceptible - that is, any gross or subtle OBJECT within the material universe which can ever be perceived with the cognitive faculties, plus the SUBJECT (the observer of all phenomena) - is to what most persons generally refer when they use the term “God”, since they usually conceive of the Primeval Creator as being the Perfect Person, and “God” (capitalized) is a personal epithet of the Unconditioned Absolute. However, this anthropomorphized conception of The Absolute is a fictional character of divers mythologies. According to most every enlightened sage in the history of this planet, the Ultimate Reality is, far more logically, Absolutely NOTHING, or conversely, Absolutely EVERYTHING - otherwise called “The Tao”, “The Great Spirit”, “Brahman”, “Pure Consciousness”, “Eternal Awareness”, “Independent Existence”, “The Ground of All Being”, “Uncaused Nature”, “The Undifferentiated Substratum of Reality”, “The Unified Field”, et cetera - yet, as alluded to above, inaccurately referred to as a personal deity by the masses (e.g. “God”, “Allah”, “Yahweh”, “Bhagavan”, etc.). In other words, rather than the Supreme Truth being a separate, Blissful, Supra-Conscious Being (The Godhead Himself or The Goddess), Ultimate Reality is Eternal-Existence Limitless-Awareness Unconditional-Peace ITSELF. That which can be perceived, can not be perceiving! Because the Unmanifested Absolute is infinite creative potentiality, “it” actualizes as EVERYTHING, in the form of ephemeral, cyclical universes. In the case of our particular universe, we reside in a cosmos consisting of space-time, matter and energy, without, of course, neglecting the most fundamental dimension of existence (i.e. conscious awareness - although, “it” is, being the subject, by literal definition, non-existent). Just as a knife cannot cut itself, nor the mind comprehend itself, nor the eyes see themselves, The Absolute cannot know Itself (or at least objectively EXPERIENCE Itself), and so, has manifested this phenomenal universe within Itself for the purpose of experiencing Itself, particularly through the lives of self-aware beings, such as we sophisticated humans. Therefore, this world of duality is really just a play of consciousness within Consciousness, in the same way that a dream is a person's sleeping narrative set within the life-story of an “awakened” individual. APPARENTLY, this universe, composed of “mind and matter”, was created with the primal act (the so-called “Big Bang”), which started, supposedly, as a minute, slightly uneven ball of light, which in turn, was instigated, ultimately, by Extra-Temporal Supra-Consciousness. From that first deed, every motion or action that has ever occurred has been a direct (though, almost exclusively, an indirect) result of it. Just as all the extant energy in the universe was once contained within the inchoate singularity, Infinite Consciousness was NECESSARILY present at the beginning of the universe, and is in no way an epiphenomenon of a neural network. Discrete consciousness, on the other hand, is entirely dependent on the neurological faculty of individual animals (the more highly-evolved the species, the greater its cognitive abilities). “Sarvam khalvidam brahma” (a Sanskrit maxim from the “Chandogya Upanishad”, meaning “all this is indeed Brahman” or “everything is the Universal Self alone”). There is NAUGHT but Eternal Being, Conscious Awareness, Causeless Peace - and you are, quintessentially, that! This “Theory of Everything” can be more succinctly expressed by the mathematical equation: E=A͚ (Everything is Infinite Awareness). HUMANS are essentially this Eternally-Aware-Peace, acting through an extraordinarily-complex biological organism, comprised of the eight rudimentary elements - pseudo-ego (the assumed sense of self), intellect, mind, solids, liquids, gases, heat (fire), and ether (three-dimensional space). When one peers into a mirror, one doesn't normally mistake the reflected image to be one's real self, yet that is how we humans conventionally view our ever-mutating form. We are, rather, in a fundamental sense, that which witnesses all transitory appearances. Everything which can be presently perceived, both tangible and immaterial, including we human beings, is a culmination of that primary manifestation. That is the most accurate and rational explanation for “karma” - everything was preordained from the initial spark, and every action since has unfolded as it was predestined in ETERNITY, via an ever-forward-moving trajectory. The notion of retributive (“tit-for-tat”) karma is just that - an unverified notion. Likewise, the idea of a distinct, reincarnating “soul” or “spirit” is largely a fallacious belief. Whatever state in which we currently find ourselves, is the result of two factors - our genetic make-up at conception and our present-life conditioning (which may include mutating genetic code). Every choice ever made by every human and non-human animal was determined by those two factors ALONE. Therefore, free-will is purely illusory, despite what most believe. Chapter 11 insightfully demonstrates this truism. As a consequence of residing within this dualistic universe, we experience a lifelong series of fluctuating, transient pleasures and pains, which can take the form of physical, emotional, and/or financial pleasure or pain. Surprisingly to most, suffering and pain are NOT synonymous. Suffering is due to a false sense of personal agency - the belief that one is a separate, independent author of one’s thoughts, emotions, and deeds, and that, likewise, other persons are autonomous agents, with complete volition to act, think, and feel as they wish. Another way of stating the same concept is as follows: suffering is due to the intellect being unwilling to accept life as it manifests moment by moment. There are five SYMPTOMS of suffering, all of which are psychological in nature: 1. Guilt 2. Blame 3. Pride 4. Anxiety 5. Regrets about the past and expectations for the future These types of suffering are the result of not properly understanding what was explained above - that life is a series of happenings and NOT caused by the individual living beings. No living creature, including Homo sapiens, has personal free-will. There is only the Universal, Divine Will at play, acting through every body, to which William Shakespeare famously alluded when he scribed “All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.” The human organism is essentially a biopsychological machine, comprised of the five gross material elements (which can be perceived with the five senses) and the three subtle material elements (the three levels of cognition, which consist of abstract thought objects), listed above. Cont...

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

The ANTIDOTE to all mental anguish is to firstly discern pain from suffering, then to achieve complete relief from that miserable state of existence, by abandoning the erroneous belief in personal authorship, and abiding in the primordial sense of being (the unqualified “I am”, which is one's core identity). This is the very same peace which is experienced each night during the dreamless phase of the sleep cycle. This "resting imperturbably as Flawless Awareness" can be practiced on a regular basis, until it is fully assimilated and integrated into one's life. Every person, from time immemorial, has been either intentionally or unwittingly seeking such causeless peace, most commonly by practicing one of the four systems of YOGA (religion) delineated in the sixteenth chapter of this work, or else in creating wealth and the acquisition of material possessions, or in psycho-physical pleasures. That peace of mind is often referred to as “happiness”, “joy”, or “love”, and often presumed to be a temporal state, since many assume, incorrectly, that continuous peace is unavailable in this life. Fortunately, that is not the case - it is eminently possible to live one's life acquainted with unbroken peace of mind, if destined. Following DHARMA (frameworks of authentic religion and societal duties) is not guaranteed to achieve that desired tranquillity of mind, but even so, it is beneficial for individuals, since it establishes a structure which enables one to more easily elevate oneself beyond the mundane, animalistic platform (i.e. the base pursuits of eating, sleeping and mating). Intrinsic to dharma is the division of the adult male population into the four classes of society and the inherent role of girls and women in society, as fully elucidated in latter chapters of this Holy Scripture. So, now that you understand life, and the reason why we are suffering here in this (ostensively) material universe, you are now able to be liberated from all mental suffering, RIGHT? WRONG! It is imperative to approach an authentic spiritual master to assist you to come to the above realization, by slowly undoing your past conditioning. Just as you have been conditioned over an entire lifetime to think one way, you need to be re-conditioned to think another way (in alignment with your essential identity as The Divine). For one who has himself for a teacher, that man has a veritable fool as his teacher. Even if you adhere closely to the precepts of a competent teacher, you may still not come to a full understanding of life, but if you are sincere, humble and dedicated, you will definitely find more peace in your daily life - all of which was DESTINED to occur, of course. Furthermore, if you are suitably-qualified and it was ordained, you may be fortunate enough to receive discipline from one of the EXTREMELY rare fully-enlightened masters residing on earth at any given time (perchance even the current World Teacher himself), and subsequently realize the aforementioned fundamental concepts, by diligently studying authoritative doctrines (especially the most accurate and complete of all extant Scriptures, this “Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”), serving your guru with great reverence and devotion, and by deliberately avoiding undue harm to oneself, to other individuals, to society as a whole, and to the natural environment, including other life forms. Most beneficially, you are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology which supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is, apart from illegitimate (non-monarchical) governance and feminism, arguably the foremost existential crisis. Best wishes for your unique, personal journey towards unalloyed peace and HAPPINESS! “The cure for all ignorance is unerring knowledge”. “You are this universe and you are creating it at every moment, because, you see, it starts now. It didn't begin in the past - there IS no past.” ************* “Find out who you REALLY are so that when death comes…there is no-one to kill, for while you are identified with your role, with your name, with your ego, there is someone to kill. But when you are identified with the whole universe, death finds you already annihilated and there’s no-one to kill”. ************* “A wise Rabbi once said 'If I am I because you are you, and you are you because I am I, then I am not I, and you are not you'. In other words, we are not separate.” ************* “Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way.” ************* “The meaning of life is life itself.” Professor Dr. Alan Wilson Watts, British-American Philosopher. (06/01/1915 - 16/11/1973). “What you seek is seeking you.” ************* “Don't you know yet? It is your light that lights the worlds.” ************* “Stop acting so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.” ************* “We are one. Everything in the universe is within you. Ask all from yourself.” ************* “The lamps are different, but the light is the same.” Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī, Persian Sunni Muslim poet, jurist, Islamic scholar, theologian, and Sufi mystic. (30/09/1207 - 17/12/1273).

@rockingrishi1407

2 жыл бұрын

I want to be initiated in meditation. Raja yoga.

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

@@rockingrishi1407 in your own words, define “Raja Yoga”. ☝️🤔☝️

@rocky821

2 жыл бұрын

@@rockingrishi1407 kriya yoga taught by srf/yss founded by paramahansa yogananda author of autobiography of yogi is raja yoga and its a very powerful yoga or you can visit ramakrishna math

I've always been under the impression if consciousness is not there I won't be waking up. However, since I've always waken up it must have consciousness that woke me up.

I WOKE UP ONE DAY COMING FROM DEEP SLEEP AND I SAW MY DREAM BEING PLAYED LIKE A MOVIE FOR MY MIND ON THE WAY TO BEING AWAKE IT WAS A VERY ENLIGHTENING

@slumpyisdaone

9 ай бұрын

I hate that shit I know what you mean it’s like you can’t escape it

এত সুন্দর ও পরিচ্ছন্ন ব্যাখ্যা শুধুমাত্র স্বামীজির দ্বারাই সম্ভব 🙏🙏🙏

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

Kindly repeat that in ENGLISH, Miss.☝️

Logic at its best. It's so peaceful to listen to you. I hope someday I get to meet you

Complex topic but captured beautifully. Thank you once again🙏🙏🙏

Really clear! No doubt we were all told a confusing concept about Mind and Consciousness. Need to be cleared! Thanks so much! 🙏

Thank you dearest loved Swamiji♥️🕉

He's the BOSS! 🙏

Thank you.

Thank you, MAHARAJ! 🙏🌹🙏 Amar PRONAM neben 🙏🌹🙏🌹🙏

Pranam Swamiji.

Namaste Swamiji🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Thanks very enlightening 🌺🙏🌹

Wonderful learning, Swami ji.

Pranam Swamiji

Thank you Master🙏

Wonderful explanation

Pranam Maharaj 🙏🏻

Namasthe Sarva Swamiji

Great

Short videos are very helpful

Beautiful explanation 👌👏👍🙏🙏 Humble Pranams Swamiji Maharaj 🙏💐 Jai Sri Ramakrishna 🙏💐Jai Maa 🙏💐Jai Swamiji 🙏💐

Hari OM GuruJi Humble Pranams. Excellent explanations. God's Grace. Thank you

Wonderful explanation. Thanks Swamiji :-)

Thanks for sharing 🙏

Enlightening explanation

Swamijee your way of explaining complex subject is mind blowing.If you explain ROCKET SCIENCE even that will become so easy to understand.

The fact that we are aware of having dreams in dream state or no dreams at all in deep sleep shows that we are conscious at all times.

@caviper1

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. We are Pure Perception. Pure automatic "Perceiving" and always in present time, proving that only the present/presence exists.

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

You are not aware of no dreams. You are aware of nothing during deep sleep. You are not there. There is no consciousness. You just have memory of what happened last before you went into that unconscious state. As in no consciousness state. All between is unconscious blankness. Temporary for deep sleep, permanent at death. Enjoy your life. Only thing there is is what is in front of you as long as you are living body. Without it there is nothing just like in the coma.

@TheLastOutlaw289

2 жыл бұрын

@@Traderhood if we were "not there" the body would die in deep sleep smh...

@spiraldynamics6008

Жыл бұрын

There is no real proof

@tutorialchief

Жыл бұрын

@@Traderhood therefore people in long time coma can report what their families talked to them...

Good clarity bet. Mind & consciousness. Thanks.

Embodiment of unending service of true knowledge is this teacher.

well explained . thanx.

Gratitude for all gurus of present, past and future.

Deep knowledge

Excellent

Wow so easily explained !!!!

This is so deep 🙏

Wow, such a complex topic, he managed to structure it into manageable chunks of information for easier understanding.

Experience requires body. Enlightenment requires experience.

@MM-dh3wr

2 ай бұрын

You ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON YOUR OWN….. therefore you are not just illumination?……you are another

Tq swamiji

Pranam. Hari Om.

Pranam swamiji

Great wisdom. Thank you.

@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

In your own words, define “TRUTH”. ☝️🤔☝️

Very nice!

Pronam Swamiji,I have been listening to your lectures and trying to grasp the concept of Consciousness... sometimes the feeling is like a third perspective of the present self.

Pronam swamiji 🙏🏻

True 🙏🙏🙏

Aum Shri Gurubhyo Namah 🙏

You been a blessing to many....I now can separate my true nature (Awareness) from all cognitions of mind. It's so clear to me except I need more focus to realise it and make it a first hand love❤❤❤

Wow..🙏

Music to my ears 🎼🎶🎸

ধন্যবাদ স্বামীজি৷

Extremely grateful for the answer. Please present us an opportunity to meet you. 🙏

You can allways be woken up, even in deep sleep. Something has to respond to the smell of freshly baked bread in the early hours of the morning.

@kamalam29

2 жыл бұрын

@Freddy this is a really good example. but don't you think elements of the smell of freshly baked bread are first coming to your nose and then during the inhaling, nose's sensors will detect some unusual and it sends the signal to the brain that something is coming your way and hence the slept neurons wake up again. and that sensors to neurons disturbance will create disturbance in sleeping process and hence it breaks the sleep or you are now aware of smelling the smell of break. in the same manner, if you are sleeping and suddenly some loud voice comes, you instantly get up! why? That might have to deal with ear sensors. I'm sure I'm mixing here the science very literally but I want to understand, what is the thing that wakes up neurons of our brain? that might be the consciousness which deals with it. I guess when our mind is occupied with some other thing, the consciousness is always available to respond to a sudden state change or attach or smell or loud noise or hot plate or cold plate etc. etc.

@vssss9018

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamalam29 people have also recalled memories in comas, ndes ect... I think we are just trained to forget deep sleep in the same way how many people do not remember their dreams

Thank you very much for you this eez hot, That eez clear...

Thank you for focusing more on this particular belief (there is no consciousness as well as its opposite, the assertion made by Vedanta (others?) that that is not true). Thanks also for subjecting it to logical examination.

We experience the blankness guruji

This was a huge clarification.... i say that for all of his videos tho. Most western philosophers do not separate consciousness from the mind and it shows

Namaskaram Thank you Swamiji. I was reading about the causal body only yesterday and had a doubt. Blessed to see topic of discussion posted today Since it is related topic In terms of apparent reality ,how to distinguish deep sleep and consciousness, as object and subject . Is deep sleep -Consciousness.

We realize only when we come out of deep sleep. What if I don't come out?

@samlau3961

4 ай бұрын

Theoretically if the I consciousness doesn't come out to play and remains in deep sleep until the expiry of the BodyMind, then there's no more problem just like the dream world that seems to end abruptly without any consequence or reality. The problem comes when another BodyMind becomes available and the I consciousness finds itself back in the same predicament trapped in the cycle of Samsara believing that it is for real. However once the I consciousness while embodied rediscovers its true Self that is Unborn so does not die, then there is a possibility of not desiring to return for another incarnation in Maya.

@hououinkyouma8135

3 ай бұрын

Exactly that's a great point

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The mind is conscious during deep sleep. In addition to performing thousands of housekeeping tasks per second, it is constantly aware of sound. Familiar sounds, such as fans or traffic, is noted but no action is taken. A baby's cry, alarm clocks or strange footfalls, however, can awaken the body from the deepest slumber.

@weygee

2 жыл бұрын

Good point! however i'd be weary in saying that "the mind is conscious", even if the mind is still somewhat active in deep sleep consciousness can still be primordial in the Vedantic sense. I would personally rephrase the question: why is it that even in deep sleep we can be woken up by noises, or someone shaking your arm for instance? Perhaps the mind is indeed still active in deep sleep in some lessened, limited way compared to the waking and dreaming states. I'd love to ask Swami Sarvapriyananda about this, I'm sure he has an answer to this. If anyone has a take/ an answer to these questions please do contribute your thoughts!

@TaxemicFanatic

2 жыл бұрын

@@weygee I heard Rupert Spira say that "sleep is the awareness of absence, not absence of awareness". Therefor if we are always aware, always conscious...how could we not be awoken when something disturbs the body/mind.

@weygee

2 жыл бұрын

​@@TaxemicFanatic Yeah that makes sense. One day I hope I can develop my (experiential) awareness of consiousness in deep sleep to better answer those questions.

@TaxemicFanatic

2 жыл бұрын

@@weygee indeed. I'm about to try and find his video on universal knowledge, see how that works.

@murthysdxb

2 жыл бұрын

@@weygee To my understanding, the entire Vedanta is based on the principle that it is mind that depends on consciousness and not the other way around. This means consciousness is independent of the mind and all 'sadhana' (spiritual effort) is to attain this goal i.e., to be totally free from mind and remain a "jeevan mukta" - free while being alive. No wonder, in deep sleep consciousness takes over when the mind rests!

Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna Jai Sri Ramakrishna

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@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices

2 жыл бұрын

💜 हरी ओम। 💜

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What we have not experienced consciousness is not easy to relate to

Thanks Swami very nice topic and grippingly explored. I got at least three major insights new from this discussion that had not come to my together well mind before: (I listened to the first three minutes very slowly - listening one sentence, writing it down, then inquiring myself about that, collecting related ideas and questioning on paper, and then moving forward - so it took about an hour to unravel the 3 minutes of brilliant inquiry.) 1. We say we are not there in deep sleep because this conscious entity was not there that is all. Our subconscious awareness was taking care of blood flow and breathing. In fact it is fully aware of sorroundings also, otherwise we cant wake to alarm or thunder. Who is that that takes care of breathing and listening in to the alarm, when our usual I is sleeping? Mind is conscious of objects and itself, but mind IS not consciousness. Of course Vedanta proposes that in deep sleep our subconscious and deeper universal consciousness are still operating so it is not realization, but deep sleep provides first clue that what we think we are is not the full picture. 2. Even in waking we are not aware of breathing until we take notice. So, the so called conscious mind is a attention-director and a symbolic thinker and goal-seeker and planner - that is all, not the true conscious being. Even the perceptive organs and motor organs donot come under its direct control. It may will " i want to go to the coffee machine " and then it does not manage the actual muscle movements or even watch over them consciously. Later it simply gives the running commentary, "i walked to the machine." Even the desire to walk to the machine was initiated by the subconscious! This is probably why they say doership is an illusion. 3. Consciousness is best thought of as an illuminating light. In waking it illuminates real objects, in dream imagined objects and in sleep it is still illuminating but since there is nothing to block the light, neither the object nor a perceiver is seen. In another one of Swami's lectures he says it is like a jeep with headlights going on a mountain road, its beams illumining various objects in the dark we see light and we see objects. Suddenly the road curves up, so the head lights do not reveal anything, but they are still shining by inference. This brings me to a critical question: Sarvapriyanandaji poses a beautiful question "How to see for ourself that there is consciousness in deep sleep?" I have struggled a lot with this, even attempting to be aware far too gently before going to sleep :) He says "You cant fall asleep to find that you are conscious. You have to somehow clearly grasp this and that will reveal what real consciousness is." By clear grasping he means something lot more than intellectual grasp, a doubtfree conviction is what he is talking about, I think. Because assuming I manage to somehow became aware during deep sleep, then that wil not be called sleep! In other words, since this my current body sense and my awareness of my mind are simply waking experiences, they cannot both be dropped in order to get to deep sleep and kept a tiny bit to get a peep. Another analogy for this dilemma is that how do you establish that your face only appears in the mirror when you look into it and does not if you dont. You cant take a sneak look! Everytime you want to see the empty mirror, you will be there! So he says it is a clear grasp. Maybe catching the culprit who has grabbed the mantle from consciousness and intellect grasping so clearly through reasoning analogy and expreince power together, is how we can let go of this mind-is-consciousness and subtler I-am-body-sense-is-consciousness WHILE AWAKE. This is enough clarity to continue to work on this contemplation. SUmmarizing my long winded discussion, my goal is to be able to 'grasp' for myself during waking that the body sense and this partial I are only waking-time superimposed experience over my subtle self that does not remember a locality, individuality, time etc - and that is my true self. I have a question though: In reading some of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi, sometimes he has hinted that it is possible during waking one could learn to ignore experiences to the point of entering a nirvikalpa (experienceless) samadhi, but you can hold on to being the true bodiles spaceless subject called gnepti which is very first subtle indication to prajnanam or pre-cognitive presence. He says that upon waking we all have a very brief minute of this gnepti (individuality-free pure conscious base) but since the conscious I jumps in almost immediately, we dont stay in it. He says that through vigilance one can catch and stay longer in this natural state of ours. (Another way of saying, we can consciously postpone the arising of the conscious mind at the junction of sleep and waking). So my question is, while brahman cannot be experienced since it is the 'pure subject' or subjectless subject, does a samadhi make the grasp easier to make? Thnks again for such a beautiful sharing.

@caviper1

2 жыл бұрын

Can you upon waking remember you were not dreaming (just prior to waking up)? Yes? That is because You were there not perceiving any dream. Otherwise, how do you know you were not dreaming? Meditate about this.

@RaviAnnaswamy

2 жыл бұрын

@@caviper1 great additional pointer, thanks!

@RaviAnnaswamy

2 жыл бұрын

​@@spiritualseeker. Thank you glad it helped.

I think it is easy to understand. For e.g. when during surgery anesthesia is given, anesthesia disconnects the mind not the consciousness. If consciousness gets disconnected then the Anesthesist will become unconscious. Pranam to Swamiji.

@RaviAnnaswamy

2 жыл бұрын

I am reminded of a quote from Bhagavan Ramana: the difference between fainting and sleep is that realization is possible in faint also (as in waking) but not in sleep. I used to wonder why this. After this enquiry, my guess is that in sleep the ego puts you under the veil where effort is not possible, but in fainting stage, most of the mind may be shut down, but a faint version of the conscious I may be available and if ones self enquiry is intent, one might be able to 'see' it as an object. Just my speculation.

@RaviAnnaswamy

2 жыл бұрын

I mean that in faint we may feel, "i only have a vague feeling that I exist and something is happening, but I dont fully remember where I am what I am doing", this vague 'faint' feeling of I, could be the foundational consciousness that is present during deep sleep, and hence fainting may create a subtle mind state closest to that. Consciousness itself is not a state, it is just a substratum/awareness.

@dr.muralidharanmullasseri4988

2 жыл бұрын

It is true

@pvgopiabnle

2 жыл бұрын

Poor anasthesist becoming unconscious😂😂👌

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

What?

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@axetroll

7 ай бұрын

Consciousness is then the knowledge, but not the reasoning and perception? That's why it said there's thought, but not the thinker and what is asking with doubt now is just the imaginary ego? So counsiouness is just a dumb computer creating realities with existence knowledge of everything?

Deep sleep continues to be an area where I fail to convince myself of Advaita’s stance. On the grounds of experience, I feel like I indeed perform inference by looking at the clock and realising oh man it’s been a long time since I was last awake. On the grounds of logic, what Swami ji proves in this video is merely that it cannot be proved conclusively that there was no consciousness. Fine, but it doesn’t follow from that that there was indeed consciousness during deep sleep. It’s inconclusive in both directions.

@lalithajuzou

Жыл бұрын

Your experience is that of satisfaction (tripti) of a good sleep, not inference. If it were inference it would be all the times when you aren't paying attention, for example, which can very well happen even in your waking state. You feel rejuvenated on waking up (or not). That is the real experience of deep sleep and you are recalling that experience out of the memory your mind registers which is dormant (but not dead!) in that state. It cannot record unless there is prana, which is the chidabhasa of the Eternal Consciousness and that prana exists in all three states - waking, dreaming and deep sleep.

@surakshachoudhary2880

Жыл бұрын

@@lalithajuzou my experience of Tripti is only upon waking up, it’s a waking state experience. Whatever that experience may be, Tripti or rejuvenation, doesn’t tell me anything about whether there was consciousness while I was in deep sleep. For all one knows, the feeling of rejuvenation could very well have resulted from an absence of consciousness for a few hours while in deep sleep. We just don’t know. That this is a result of a memory of deep sleep experience seems like one plausible explanation, but no more plausible than the others.

This means body functions are running by consciousness without our awareness. So why I don't have control over it.

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In deep sleep if somebody puts on light I am at once awake .. If there is a big noise I am awake If there is bad smell am awake no sooner .. the very process of awakening is the proof of consciousness .. If not cpnscious we wont wake up

SHE, is Consciousness. No One but Her, is SHe; just like everyone else. She is not you, merely She shares Her Self WITH You.

He seriously made it very clear as to what is sleep and how does mind experience it now we need to know how do we breakthrough this barrier of blankness and see consciousness

@caviper1

2 жыл бұрын

You are a manifestation of Consciusness. You see It by simply being.

@mojoomla

11 ай бұрын

You can't see consciousness. It is the seer. It can never be the seen.

Consciousness is seen as everything including you and me and exists without everything including you and me just as clay is seen as all pots and exists without them.

How to learn to be aware in the dream

By doing kriyas, meditation, and other spiritual practices which aspect of us changes that brings us closer to enlightenment

@sakshi2837

2 жыл бұрын

I think these practices make our mind calm n pure to be able to reflect the "real self " Nice Question n I wish Swami ji to enlighten us 🙏😀

Hello .. Om hari 🙏 I would like to communicate privately with you, since I am interested in making translations of some videos of Swami Sarvapriyananda into Latin Spanish dubbed ... I know many groups of people who do not speak English, and that They would be deeply grateful to be able to receive Swami Ji's teachings ... Thank you very much ... may God always bless us ... Om Namah Shivaya 🙏💓🕉🌱

@irmabronder

2 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea!

But when I wake up is only when I infer about the knowledge of me being in deep sleep some moments before that. When we fall asleep and wake up we feel relaxed but when we fall unconscious on the ground and then wake up after some time it's not the same feeling that means there is absence of consciousness in both the cases it's just in one of them the mind shuts down on its own calmly and peacefully that's why when consciousness comes back we feel refreshed and in other it was forced shut that's why we feel confused or disoriented.

|'There is no way one can know if the light is on or off when the fridge door is closed" - a classic analogy by Mooji baba. This applies to our deep sleep state too. Pranams to Swamiji for his wonderful explanation.

@tembharenikhil9861

2 жыл бұрын

Mooji Baba is genius

@tembharenikhil9861

2 жыл бұрын

He gave example of a railway station. He relates trains to experiences and consciousness to be witness of all trains coming and going. Sometimes there are no trains But you are there to say that there are no trains.

@murthysdxb

2 жыл бұрын

@@tembharenikhil9861 Yes, like a station master! Expanding this analogy further, we can say like a CCTV camera which records everything including the absence of trains and passengers. When we replay this camera, we find that there is just the emptiness, but peaceful!

@Traderhood

2 жыл бұрын

Real question you need ask yourself is why are you clinging so much to the concept of having consciousness present during the deep sleep.

@adamburling9551

Жыл бұрын

Well one can know though if the light is on when the fridge is closed. It's easily testable. It's off.

Swamiji- What is the basis to put any inference/logic/experience of connection between consciousness (true self) and mind (ego, identity , 'I'). If mind is dormant/ceases , there is no experience. without experience and mind how can one even undertake to explain consciousness and its connection with the mind. How is mind created/born? There is bound to be Dvaita if mind is at play enabling the differentiation. Advaita would be All is, All is not, Nothing is, Nothing is not. You have explained very nicely that 3 states ( waking, dreaming and deep sleep) are states of the mind and consciousness (Turiya) illumining the mind. Ego, identity and thought are all associated with the mind and what we normally consider as 'I' (self) whilst consciousness is the true self (no ego , no thoughts). Can you please provide some guidance and simplify this?

Good morning 🙏 Guruji. Can we say that we are living in the medium of Consciousness? Because Consciousness is independent of experience.

Swamij, kindly elucidate on the point that we experience and therefore we are conscious. Does experience imply mental phenomenon only? Eg When we are engrossed we often miss out on so many other external matters although our senses of sight, hearing and smell are getting stimulated all the time. Because our mind doesn't experience we never realise that. Here, the analogy of slept like a log also doesn't apply. If consciousness is shining all through and is beyond mind, what explains our missing out these stimuli. Won't this lead to infer that no mind, no consciousness? Wish to learn, please help.

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How can I connect my voluntary mind with that power that runs my body even when I am at sleep ?

@rocky821

2 жыл бұрын

you need to be in a higher consciousness to do that.

If we say that there is no consciousness in deep sleep that is also our experience who experience the absence of consciousness

@samlau3961

4 ай бұрын

This is a very pertinent & important question which if followed through can lead to direct understanding. Mundaka Upanishad chapter 3 speaks of 2 birds. The 1st bird is busy with life completely oblivious of the 2nd bird while the 2nd bird simply watched in the background unnoticed. It is like a security camera that is on 24/7, it never sleeps, is the unborn (already here before birth) and never dies (remain here after death). It is better if you can observe this for yourself. Mundukya Upanishad speaks of Turiya as the 4th State but it is more apt if seen as the zero state. Key hint is watch the transitions of the states ...

The mind is semi active in deep sleep because there is nothing there to stimulate it but if someone were to call your name or touch you or if the alarm clock were to go off even in deep dreamless sleep you would wake up. But the mind Isn't the self, as Krishna says in the Srimad Bhagavatam: " while awake the living entity enjoys with all of his senses the fleeting characteristics of the body and mind; while dreaming he enjoys similar experiences within the mind; and in deep dreamless sleep all such experiences merge into ignorance. By remembering the succession of wakefulness, dream, and deep sleep, the living entity can understand that he is one through out the three stages of consciousness and is transcendental. Thus he becomes the lord of the senses." Whatever you experience as an objective state can't be you because the objective state Isn't the entity therefore the self is aloof from the three states.

It is possible to wake up directly from deep sleep and be aware of a few moments of the process. I've experienced this on several occasions. It is the same experience that is described in nirvikalpa samadhi. If you can't remember it, you weren't conscious. "You" being the brain activity we recognize as our "self". Now it can be surmised that the body itself retains a certain degree of consciousness. I have been awakened from a deep sleep when my body perceived the threat of a mountain lion lurking about my tent. It is apparent that even subatomic particles exhibit some awareness of their surroundings as they react to their environment. This could be the basis for all consciousness as far as I'm concerned. A kind of protoconsciousness.

@Kobe29261

2 жыл бұрын

Swimming dangerously close to Panpsychism but there's a lot to commend that world-view from a Physics perspective since the Schrodinger-Bohr collaboration produced its model of subatomic particles; certainly from the religious perspective this has been asserted for ages. Thanks for shedding some light through your perspective

@wthomas7955

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kobe29261 Well, consciousness does seem to be the end result of a sequence of electrical and chemical reactions. Even the smallest of those interactions contributes to the big picture. Analogous to electrical impulses resulting in the pixels that comprise the image on our computer monitors. It's the patterning that appears to be critical with regard to our experience of consciousness.

@Kobe29261

2 жыл бұрын

@@wthomas7955 Really expansive insights, most days I distrust the impulse to understand consciousness rather that follow along where it leads. It’s rather intriguing that consciousness often seems like the price we pay for the peace brought on by its absence in deep sleep.

@wthomas7955

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kobe29261 My sense is that consciousness is simply mother nature's most effective survival strategy. It's actually a primitive brain function. Even the least evolved animals exhibit some degree of consciousness. Add the ability to do thought processing to the equation and our waking level consciousness is a fairly energy intensive undertaking. It's as though the memory/thought processing aspect of waking human level consciousness is the brain function that retires during deep sleep because the energy cost is more than the organism can afford to run full time. We recharge, literally. The energy expenditure is what we experience as the lack of "peace" you're referring to. It feels like what it is, suffering. Especially when we're squandering energy by processing thoughts inaccurately. Like Buddha said, "right thinking" and "right understanding" are critical to efficient energy management. Well, maybe he didn't use exactly those words. Probably he said something along the lines of "critical to well being". That's how I read him though. There is still consciousness occurring during deep sleep however. The body is aware of its own functioning. We just don't remember it because the specific part of the brain that does memory is shut down at the time. I know there is some degree of consciousness during deep sleep because I was awakened by the sound of that mountain lion sniffing around outside my tent, heh, heh! That wouldn't happen if there was no consciousness ongoing. The only time consciousness completely shuts down is upon dying. Otherwise, consciousness appears to be the one through line in our existence here as human beings. I don't know if you've ever experienced waking up directly from deep sleep, but it is an entirely different deal than waking up from dream state, which is what I typically do. I've only experienced this a handful of times over the course of my life but what is remarkable about it is that it fits exactly the description the Hindus use for nirvikalpa samadhi. Nirvikalpa samadhi is supposedly the highest yogic state, if what I've read is correct. The best we ever feel is when we're getting juiced by the universe during deep sleep. Too bad we're not generally awake to enjoy it.

I do have a question Swamiji. When I wake up from deep sleep feeling refreshed , isn’t it merely a physical inference of how my body and mind feels at that point of time? Isn’t it simply a case of “ I feel great when I woke up which is based on how alert I feel now…so I must have slept well”? The reason I say this is because there are days I sleep badly and wake up feeling tired and groggy so how I feel when I woke up determines if I slept well the previous night or not?

@mojoomla

11 ай бұрын

You are 101% correct bensmithy4297. Don't fall for the specious explanations of Swamiji. He has not really explained anything conclusively. Without defining consciousness, he is trying to assert that consciousness exists in sleep too. It is all faith only.