I think he was asking her if she was feeling suicidal because he was trying to prove a point to her, she wasnt stilled but shielded.

@nathangraham1611

10 ай бұрын

He was investigating. Detective Lan!

@ICU1337

10 ай бұрын

Yea my boy put a whole bunch of dots together and solved the riddle👏🏽

@Kyles_Money

10 ай бұрын

Ah very nice

@TheJordanK

10 ай бұрын

Exactly

@konstantinkrastev4478

10 ай бұрын

yes glad someone picked up on it!

I have a confession to make. Previously i thought Madeleine Madden who plays Egwene was only average but boy has she proved me wrong this series she is fabulous. I guess that as a highly skilled actress she has built the character brilliantly.

@padanfain7466

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I wasn't too impressed in S1 but she has really grown into the role this season.

@samsmom1491

10 ай бұрын

That last episode made me a fan of the actress. She made me feel what she was feeling. Also love the actress that plays Lanfear. The range of emotions that play across her face when she is with Rand are skillfully and superbly done.

@TheLizardKing752

10 ай бұрын

They didn't really give her much to do in the first season.

@WilliamsPinch

10 ай бұрын

Easily my fave.

@joeleek9976

10 ай бұрын

​@padanfain7466 season1 I was impressed she stood still so long in that frozen time scene.

It does sound a very Lanfear thing to do to put compulsion on Siuan to hold Rand for her to then "rescue" him.

@joeleek9976

10 ай бұрын

A very interesting idea.

@yuttanak6225

10 ай бұрын

Broken Amelyn seat is better than the dead one - Lanfear

@michaeldrummond7590

10 ай бұрын

Lan also knew that stilled sisters often commit suicide. In that absence then he reasoned that maybe she isn’t stilled

Caveat: I've never read the books so my opinion is solely based on the show. I read Siuan's behavior as being purely political. In her role as the Amyrlin Seat she has to keep all of the power plays in check to maintain her position and they already know that there are factions at work against her. She's only going to hold that seat as long as she can maintain that support and being able to use the Dragon Reborn as a piece of that gives her a huge chip to keep the Aes Sedai united under her if she can control the narrative on how they can use him to win the Last Battle. Now that there are enough Aes Sedai who know he exists, that she had him, and lost him, it puts her in an incredibly vulnerable situation to be potentially deposed by some of the other scrabbling factions within the Aes Sedai, perhaps under Liandrin. That rift will be a huge problem if the Aes Sedai are vulnerable, especially with the threat from the Seanchan and the White Cloaks, and most importantly the Dark. It sucks, but I think it's that Moiraine is looking at this in terms of the pattern from the prophecy and how to get Rand into the right place at the right time, and Siuan is playing politics first and missing the bigger picture.

@moonlightboiii

10 ай бұрын

That captures it well. And is a good foretelling of what’s to come if the books are to be any reference.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Really great summary!

@samsmom1491

10 ай бұрын

​@@moonlightboiii I've learned not to count on any accuracy to the books. I truly struggle with trying to give this series a fair shake, but knowing the source material and seeing the thoughtless changes being made makes it incredibly difficult.

@MissOJAY

10 ай бұрын

​@@UnravelingthePattern that part😊

I agree with your Sian theory, remember it was her dream that led Rand and Moraine to go to the Eye of the world and set Ishy free.

@johnj650

10 ай бұрын

Ooh I had forgotten this!

@moonlightboiii

10 ай бұрын

Makes Lanfear’s “broken Amyrlin” makes sense too.

@questionsroxelane3643

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, I was remembering and trying to figure how it related with the current situation, and suddenly, Lauren talking about compulsion, especially after all the previous innuendos both by Lanfear and Verin, I felt it all fit!!!

I agree with suian. The actor playing her had such life in her eyes and expression last season but in this episode she looked very flat and odd. I was like why is she acting like this. Now it makes sense.

I think the reason why he asked her about suicide which i didn't pick up on at first is because he was comparing, being completely cut off and being bound. The feeling she was getting was not like being severed from the one power, which lead him into the conclusion he got and why he was able to help Moiraine

Lan asking Moiraine if she had been suicidal had NOTHING to do with sympathy. He already had an inkling that she hadn't been stilled, and this answer confirmed it, sent him to Logain for the next answer. But when Rand, Lan, and Moiraine were together in front of the Waygate, Lan is the last person who would have known enough to say; "You don't have the skill to untie this knot, you'll have to cut it." Cutting a weave tied off around someone is harder than unraveling it, and more dangerous.

egwene plays the part cause she knows she's not gonna win by herself. she tried the stubborn method and realise it was hopeless, so she's now playing the part while buying her time. her line "ill kill you" was obvious she may do what she's being told but she's not broken. and i like that she's actually unintentionally being trained in her powers as it teaches her humility and not take things for granted when she wields pretty strong powers once she's free. honestly i like the parallel between what the aes sedai plans on treating a male channeler vs the culture of breaking channelers by the seachans. it's like both knows the power each of their targets wield, but both wanna harness them for their use use. it's 2 sides of the same coin

@_TinyTitan

10 ай бұрын

Yes!! I felt this way too when Moraine was forced to close the waygate. She didn’t want to, but because of that oathrod, she was forced to use her power and close the gate. Just like the damane are forced to use their channeling however the suldam wish. 🥺

@amberantk1

10 ай бұрын

"In the books" Egwene was said to have been 'forced' by her damane training, powering her up early.

All I gotta say is that Josha is killing it as Rand

@xyr3s

10 ай бұрын

He would have killed it even more if he got more screen time as the most Important character in the series lol

@KabbalahSherry

10 ай бұрын

Yes! Everyone is embodying the characters that they play so well! They're all doing such an amazing job. I love it so much. Season 1 didn't get the best ratings but Season 2 has been a real banger I think! 😃 I can't wait for the finale!

@briane8627

10 ай бұрын

What's convinced you? I guess I haven't really seen enough to say one way or the other.

@jonahdav9589

10 ай бұрын

he really does good as an effeminate Rand that is not like the books and kneels all the time.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Agreed! Just hope he gets his chance to really shine next episode!

My impression of the Suian/Moiraine look at the end, was more about their relationship fully crumbling. Suian had just abused Moiraine’s obedience oath to her, and is also misunderstanding what Moiraine is doing( partly Moiraine’s fault). I thought it was a very sad/beautiful/emotional end

@joeleek9976

10 ай бұрын

There are a ton of rape allegories in wot. This was one of them.

@sweenej5

10 ай бұрын

Agreed - two passionate people in the light who ended up at cross purposes, especially with some breakdown in communication? That's right in line with Robert Jordan's vision for Wheel fo Time.

In the books, unknotting weaves is super dangerous. It's a very difficult skill and if you let it slip at the wrong moment you can do a lot of damage. Lan doesn't know that, but I'm glad they didn't try to have Rand unknot it. And with how difficult it is even if you can see the weaves, I'm not mad that Siuan didn't suddenly have this ill-advised by the tower skill.

@christianrapper5

10 ай бұрын

Unknotting a shield isn’t the same thing as untying a weave. Those are entirely different things.

@sivzzz3008

10 ай бұрын

@@christianrapper5 Yes exactly. Unraveling (corrected from "untying") an active weave is the dangerous one, since you are picking apart a weave while you also have to maintain it. If you let it slip, it could turn into any random weave, but most likely something violent. It is rarely done, since abandoned weaves dissipate after a while so there is usually no need. It is only useful when one doesn't want to leave any trace, but even then it's not worth the risk most of the time. Unknotting a tied off weave is only difficult, not dangerous.

@christianrapper5

10 ай бұрын

@@sivzzz3008 an active shield is just harder to break out of. It isn’t the same as picking apart a weave either . A strong channeler can just break out of a shield. Breaking out of a shield is akin to breaking out of ropes or untying the knots of ropes that are wrapped around you. Unraveling a weave is something completely different and dangerous.

@sivzzz3008

10 ай бұрын

@@christianrapper5 I thought that was what i said. I'm not quite sure, but I thought 'untying' and 'unraveling' a weave were two names for the same thing. Breaking an active shield has no untying, unknitting, unraveling involved, its just overwhelming the one holding it with sheer power and breaking the weave.

@sivzzz3008

10 ай бұрын

@@christianrapper5 but you are right unraveling is the correct word for it. i edited my previous comment.

Please keep doing book spoilers. It puts a buffer in the gap between the books and the show, and makes the differences less annoying.

@Igobyquan_

10 ай бұрын

I second this !!

I was surprised at how emotional Moiraine's moment was, regaining the power (given how confident I was that it was temporary). Rosamund played it so well. Still restrained but so moved. Verin's line direct to us! lol, I laughed. I also loved how well she twisted her words to Leane. I thought she'd lied somehow for a minute. Overall, I was totally fine with the changes. I'm mostly open to changes, but some get me feeling weird at the moment. These honestly didn't. I disagree with the way you see Siuan. I absolutely don't see this as forced drama or anything remotely CW. Think about this from her perspective, not from Rand or Moiraine's. Yes, Siuan has been pulled away from her original goal, but that happens when you hold power for so long. It only makes sense that she's been somewhat institutionalized. But she's totally right about Moiraine. Moiraine did fail and she did leave Rand totally exposed. A forsaken has been hanging out with him for months. Moiraine is leaving things to chance and is now walking Rand into a massive trap, just trusting the wheel that it'll somehow work out. From a logical pov, Siuan's plan is the safer option by far, even if it's not the one we know is right as book readers. I think this was a smart scene where both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Moiraine's plan is pretty much insane if you think about it (thinking Rand is somehow ready to face Ishy after Siuan can shield him so easily (which she should be able to)). Only plot armor (ta'verenness) can save him now. Now, you did find more evidence than I saw that maybe you're onto something with Siuan being influenced. So, maybe? But I still don't think so. I think her choices make a lot of sense even if I don't like them, which is how the world often works. For Moiraine's shield: this is a pitfall of modern fandom. Siuan's knot skills coming back in would have been neat for sure, but I think there's a risk when we're always theorizing and coming up with pet theories. If we like our theories too much, it can mess with our viewing, even when those theories were never guaranteed to be true. The many reactions to Rey's parent's reveal in Last Jedi come to mind. Her parents as nobodies was the best narrative choice, but fans freaked out because they'd already made their own ideas and held them so strongly. The real answer didn't get a chance to be considered without prebuilt disappointment. There's SO much to cover in the finale. I hope it's extra long...

10 ай бұрын

I love your way of thinking! Plus for theories and risk of disappointment, we should follow Moraine's advice and ask ourselves what we are sure is true before taking stuff for granted. Here we could know for sure that Moraine was only shielded, even if she believed she was stilled. But the truth is we could never take anything else for granted.

@johnettadw1

10 ай бұрын

Non-book reader: Thank you. I thought it was just me... Under compulsion or not, it's not as if what Siuan told Moiraine about her failures were not true. Remember they have to tell the truth. And when Moiraine came back with basically you didn't do what you were supposed to do in the tower either... IMO the greater burden was always on Siuan. She had to make critical decisions (while walking that political tight rope, dealing with pettiness and power envy) with Moiraine in mind always and how it might affect her journey out in the wilderness. Whatever she needed, however she needed it. Siuan had to always justify. Moiraine just had to receive it and keep moving. And by no means am I trying to say Moiraine's contribution to the mission was less than Siuan's. Just that they are equally invested.

The moments I ugly cried… The relationship between Morraine & Lan being restored…😭😍🥹 The moment Rand cut the knot of Ishamael’s weave on Morraine… 😭😍🥹 Verin coming to rescue Rand & Morraine… ❤❤❤ Alana saying to Morraine “you’re not alone anymore, sister… 😭😭😭

@carolbriscoe9337

10 ай бұрын

All reinforcing Lan's comment that she can't do the job ALONE.

@MissOJAY

10 ай бұрын

Riiiight

I don't think Siuan could've untied the knot since it was a male weave. I wish they just would've introduced Saidin and Saidar it would've made it alot clearer. If Siuan is under compulsion, then I don't think Liandrin is strong enough to do it... so it would have to have been Lanfear.

@petartodic4121

10 ай бұрын

They've done a great job to show the complexity of Siuan and Moraine's relationship with limited screen time. That lead to wonderful character growth and eventual conflict. Including Compulsion to it would be a cheap trick that undermines that, I don't like this theory.

@biggySaDs

10 ай бұрын

Long shot but maybe a certain forsaken in Caemlyn got to her during her stay there.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Agree it was probably Lanfear.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Hmm, that's fair I guess.

@berlindude75

10 ай бұрын

How would being under compulsion look like? Was Siuan very visually forcing Moraine to close the waygate again also compulsion or is this a different form of forcing someone to do something tied to the Oath Rod?

Didn’t Siuan have visions? I think those were her being manipulated by the Forsaken and she’s being pushed to the edge and making bad decisions.

I feel like Lan asking Moiraine was because he suspected she was shielded already and her saying she had no suicidal thoughts confirmed it. Then making sure by asking Logain.

As a long time book reader who's favorite character is Mat, I think Mat's character is just blah until he gets healed from the dagger. I'm hoping they do that in season 3. When my wife was reading the books for the first time a few years back several times she asked why Mat was my favorite character. After the Galad/Gawyn fight she began to understand. Also, I've always enjoyed the character of Moirane but I've never "liked" her so this feels true to the books for me.

The setup is that Moiraine has been traveling wild for twenty years looking for the dragon. She was free to make all her own decisions. Meanwhile Siuan has been caged in the White Tower for those years having to play political games to gain the AS in order to support Moiraine’s search. Siuan has the burden of her office, of responsibility, and of bureaucracy. Once she’s informed by Lan that Moiraine has been stilled for six critical months and that Moiraine has kept it a secret from her she feels compelled to take over the responsibility for Rand’s “guidance”. Not under compulsion from the Dark Side but compelled by her office as head of the WT. I think that the show does a good job setting up these motivations.

@johnettadw1

10 ай бұрын

I truly believe that something is off about Siuan. However, your explanation is well stated, and I do agree with you.

@freebird6591

10 ай бұрын

Compulsion would undercut the break in their relationship. Even had flashback romance shots to show what was being lost. Sheriam was almost visibly confused under compulsion. Siuan was angry.

@mapletree3434

10 ай бұрын

I don't think it's compulsion, although I love the idea. Siuan is plan worried, disappointed and convinced her way is the best way. It's a grand theme of the books so it fits. They just didn't do it fully right for EITHER of these motivations. I personally lean towards non-compulsion explanation (doesn't mean that I like it better).

Its also nice to keep in mind that Siaun's strong will and stubbornness is a two-edged sword. If she decides that she disagrees with Moirane's approach towards Rand, then nothing can stop her, kinda how she was being portrayed in ep7.

Hey Lauren, really appreciate that you dropped this video so quickly. (What timezone are you in? I hope you got SOME sleep 😄) More than any other episode this season, I definitely struggled with deviations that were made from the books and was so glad to have your take on all this. I feel somewhat more relieved after hearing your thoughts, theories and speculations, and I do have faith that the changes will pan out. I'm also looking forward to a rewatch but it's nice to know I'm not the only one who felt this way after the initial watch ❤

They might be setting up matts redemption for season 3. Those who read the books know what I am talking about.

@Berndr

10 ай бұрын

I think they did not have a budget to do the entire Aelfinn and the Eelfinn realm, so they are using a simpler solution to get Mat where he needs to be ... it kinda works ...

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

This better not be true

@Echidna23Gaming

10 ай бұрын

​@@Berndrwe haven't even gotten to rhuidean or tear yet so id say its a bit too early to call that yet

@_TinyTitan

10 ай бұрын

I think there are several things that have happened that point towards Matt’s luck already changing. 😉😉😉 HEAVILY in the last 2 episodes too. Haven’t read the books but I have been watching this channels heavy book spoiler explanations, hahaha. So I know where he is headed. - Small things.. like at the gambling table, if you listen close he & the crowd are taking about how he has been winning all their moneys… and so he says “one more” and he DID win, but Rand distracts him so everyone is quick to grab their money back. 😂 Also, him hiding from Rand actually ended up being lucky b/c he didn’t get caught by the whole White Tower folks jumping Rand. Instead, he got teleported to Falme, where his other friends are. 🥹

If Siuan had compulsion on her and so did Sheriam, maybe there's already another Forsaken in the White Tower....

@Clairejart

10 ай бұрын

Yes!! She was acting more like Elaida than season 1 Siuan.

@carolbriscoe9337

10 ай бұрын

I suspect Liandrin of compelling Sheriam making the false entry in the books about be girls whereabouts. That's her gift.

Down with the Siuan Compulsion theory - it's something they've mentioned a couple times throughout the season. What if Flicker Flicker is being saved for the trip to Rhuidean?

@Swiergotka78

10 ай бұрын

Compulsion would also explain why Siuan asked Moiraine to swear a 4th oath in the show. I remember we were all speculating about it. But compulsion is also a difficult solution bc then why not compulse everyone who matters all around, like Rand, rulers and nobles, heads of all factions, all the ta'veren, the whole Tower etc. Compulsion without the rods is a very tricky way to use in the show.

I like your theory about Siuan being manipulated to do things. I think that dream Siuan received in s1 is a part of this. Its also a nod to the books, when Ishamael told Rand in the Eye of the World that he pulled the strings and the Amyrlin Seat danced, thinking she was controlling events.

My partner, a non-reader, absolutely loved the ending. He loved how they set up the oath in season 1. He loved that Moi and Su butted heads at the end, and how it obviously was killing both of them to be divided. He caught the non-lie from Verin and got excited. And he burst into tears, like uncontrolled sobs, when Moiraine was unshielded. I think having events go this way will be even worse for Siuan. She not only lost the dragon but got her butt kicked and half a city destroyed. The Black Ajah will act soon and undermine her more, setting up for her downfall next season.

The tied weave thing does make more sense now given Lan’s question at the forsaken temple area asking Alanna if the forsaken had weaves that had been forgotten. At least they gave it some setup.

@Swiergotka78

10 ай бұрын

But when did he find time to research this and find out more than actual Aes Sedai know about it? It would have been much more credible if the hint came directly from Rand or Logain. There's too much "miraculous solutions" and sudden knowledge gained sometime off screen for my taste in the show.

@CJB787

10 ай бұрын

@@Swiergotka78 I'd have the same criticism if they had 10-15 episodes, but they only get 8, so for me it's fine.

My preference would have been no AS in Cairhien, and they attend the wedding, and mayhem ensues, followed by escaping through the Ways.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Me too!

It looked like Suian smiled at Moraine before Mo walked into the waygate

@samsmom1491

10 ай бұрын

I'm going to watch the episode again and will pay very close attention to her face. I was concentrated on her eyes, so maybe I missed it. If so, excellent catch!

@_TinyTitan

10 ай бұрын

Yess, like in that last moment she understood Moraine was doing the right thing. When her eyebrows lift, I saw that as her way of saying “go. I see now” 🥺

Thanks for doing these reactions very quickly after the episodes air. I'm sure you're getting limited sleep on these nights but that's another reason why we appreciate all of your efforts. I look forward to these on Friday mornings, As a non book reader your insights and speculations make me enjoy and think about things every more. Thanks again!

Lauren, I really like your videos and unravelling every episode. I like your positivity, your open mind, your hopefullness and your theories. I wait for every of your "chef d'oeuvre" each week. I'm asking myself if it Liandrin or Lanfear who want Moraine dead and not the Master. Ishy make clear with Lanfear that a desperate Aes Sedai open more possibilities than an Aes Sedai dead. (Same words that Lanfear said for Siuan at the end). I'm not sure anymore on which side Liandrin is. Really like the pacing of that episode. There is so much to talk and cover on the last episode that I really hope that is a suprise 1h30 or 2h episode.

@gokbay3057

10 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure it is Lanfear who wants Moiraine dead (I mean, she says as much to Rand, and even to Liandrin if I am not misremembering) while Ishy pretty openly said to Lanfear that he considered Moiraine more useful alive than dead. So It is most likely just Liandrin not giving the full truth to Barthanes. A Forsaken/Chosen wants Moiraine dead, he doesn't need to know that it is Lanfear and not Ishamael who gave the order. So Liandrin doesn't tell.

You talk perfectly well without a script too! I enjoyed the theory portion of the video too. PS: you really don't need the script, key points work just fine for your narration, possibly even better

It's a bit rough but I still loved it and wasn't bored for a single second!

As someone who hasn't read the books (probably my biggest blind spot in epic fantasy for some reason) I'm really enjoying it. Season 2 far more than season 1, just cause the stakes seem higher, more real and we actually care about these characters, when in S1 that didn't kick in until Egwene & Pippin were captured by the Lightbringers. Now I'm genuinely invested in all these strands.

Loving the Nynaeve/Elayne duo. Zoe and Ceara are just killing it with subtle but delicious little looks, they're hilarious! When Elayne took control the look of chastened indignation from Zoe was great and Elayne's great amusement at Nynaeve's impatience when Loial got all reverential was hilarious.

@patriciamiller1523

10 ай бұрын

I agree completely about Nynave and Elayne and their interactions! So hilarious!

@eeeee6717

10 ай бұрын

@@patriciamiller1523 And so true to character I mean that was very good to read, and to see it on screen was just beyond my expectations.

@patriciamiller1523

10 ай бұрын

@@eeeee6717 exactly! I just can't wait to see when Avienda is added to the mix! I really hope this happens 🙏

I think with Siuan the changes are just the show needing to be efficient and compress whole chapters and books. In a single scene we setup for Rand knowing that the AS want to cage him, laying out very quickly the AS position on the Dragon Reborn. This sets up books worth of mistrust. We also hear clearly about factions trying to take down Siuan again setting up whole plotlines. I found it to be quite clever storytelling.

Such great content! I’m loving the show however I have never read the books but I’m certainly going to now and not because of the show but because of your explanations and deep dives into the world you can dive into when you read the books ! Thank you !

For about half this episode I thought we were jumping straight to a dumai's wells-style confrontation with Siuan in charge and I i was so relieved to be wrong about that 😂

Thanks for being so clear about your spoilers! I usually don't mind a little spoilers but I don't want to know things late in the series. I just started The Eye of World and really like it so far, can't wait to explore the source material since I love the show. 😊

Just wanna say congrats, man. Haven’t seen your channel in a long while (started watching when you had less than a 1K subscribers) and thought you should have more. Glad your hard-work has been paying off

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Lauren you are a very talented. I really like the videos you've made. I guess it's a case of to each his own. I don't understand how a book lover can not be so disappointed in this series. I've been waiting for a visual representation of WoT for literally years. This, in my opinion, is not what I was hoping for. Im trying to be respectful but this show makes me so upset. This series has been a part of my life for over 30 years and now I'm realizing I'm never going to get to see it and im feeling very sad. Again, you're a very talented creator and I appreciate your work, be well.

I need to watch it again, you reviewing it makes me think it was better than my initial impressions. I think I have spotted portal stones (not waygates) in several scenes so I still think we may see them used at some point. Flicker flicker is so iconic. Maybe Rand uses them first transporting everyone away from Falme. I thing I LOVED. Lanfear's clothes going from black to grey. Such an awesome nod to her playing both sides. Book Lanfear is arguably not evil, will we see that continue and we get to see Lanfear in white like she should be. Also, Lanfear might be the best character in the show. She just dominates the scene whenever she is in one like in this episode. It's amazing. I get vibes with her like Peter Falk and Columbo that she is almost transcendentally perfect for a role. On COMPULSION. You could be right but I don't think she is under compulsion. I just look at the opening scene between Siuan and Moiraine and how they both wanted to escape the tower, but then are trapped by Gitarra's vision. Moiraine DOES escape but the price is basically every scrap of joy and happiness she has. Siuan is trapped by the Tower, and in the end is shown to basically be a slave to the thing she hates, slightly paralleling Egwene in a way. In another perfect casting Elayne is just perfect in every scene. The part with Loial was note perfect. I also loved the bit with Anvaere. That was super well done and I agree with her being merged going forward. I was VERY surprised Lanfear went into the Waygate. I think she Travels with Rand out of it, since Travelling has been foreshadowed a few times. People getting knocked out against walls is way overused and becoming almost meme-ish. Nice review

What i like about Egwene's ark is that she's getting training that doesn’t care about rules and limitations, so she's really going to see how far her power extends without the decorum and politeness of the tower

damn it felt satisfying lanfear just waltz in and casually broke though the most powerful the white tower could throw at her.

This is the first episode I watched I felt my book bias and I’m curious what nonreaders will think. Personally, I think I was so invested in Moiraine and Siuan that what Siuan did shook me. Loins weren’t sufficiently girded apparently. Still, the shock will wear off because I still love the show and I acknowledge the book bias.

@Clairejart

10 ай бұрын

I felt exactly the same way. It’s the first time I had a problem with the show but that’s my need for Moraine and Siuan to be on the same page and close. I was all excited for their reunion and it wasn’t what I expected.

Thank you for the spoiler warnings! I just started the books. I love the show. Good vid.👍🤘🖖😊

Just popped in to hear your overall opinion. I’ll be back for a full watch after I actually watch the episode tonight!

I hope you are right about flicker flicker. But I think that if we do get it it will come in the form of Ishy visiting each of the boys with his tea.

Thanks for sharing, the rambles are okay and enjoyable :D

Non-book reader: I really enjoyed this reaction, review and theory. To be honest, I truly enjoyed this episode most of all so far. Because I love, love, love the series and season 2 even more. Again, I agree that something is off about Siuan. Her mannerisms and temperament are way off. I kept thinking "Come on Moiraine you know something is off about her". At one point, I thought Moiraine had glimpsed something when she sort of looked in Siuan's eyes and twisted her head from side to side a bit at the beginning after being summoned as the Amyrlin walks up close to her. It was as if Moiraine was trying to detect if something was wrong. The show has previously made a point of Moiraine being able to read Siuan's body language in the first season and also during the S2 E7 cold open. I like your thoughts about Siuan's realization look at the end and on compulsion.

I loved your more off the cuff commentary!! Great job! 🙌

The thing that confused me most about this episode was the complete absence of Ingtar. I don't understand why he couldn't have been there with Loial, and continue the talk he started last episode about the Horn being what really matters, contrasted against the others' desire to save Egwene. It really feels like we needed more of that going into the finale.

@KabbalahSherry

10 ай бұрын

True, cuz the viewers who are non-book readers have zero clue WHY the horn is so important. 😅📯 lol Then again... they're probably waiting to **show** why the horn is so crucial to possess, for the finale I'd imagine.

@ICU1337

10 ай бұрын

@@KabbalahSherryI'm not a book reader but I feel like I get why the horn is important enough 🤷🏽‍♂Lets see if I'm knocked out of my shoes with its importance next week🤔

@Clairejart

10 ай бұрын

The sudden turn of Siuan against Moraine bothered me I always thought they would be allies and was looking forward to their reunion and it made me sad. This wasn’t the Siuan from Season 1 when they were partners in crime. I hope she was under compulsion.

@tropicthndr

10 ай бұрын

The thing that confused me is why are they still dragging this thing on, it was good at the start but now it’s just a girly soap opera that should have ended already.

Great video as always. Glad what they've done with this season. Feels like a lot of the issues from season 1 have been addressed. Some of the characters are starting to feel more like themselves as they're given more time to breathe. Also, I get what you're saying about leading up to Siuan, but I'm not sure that she'd have been able to see the knot as it was tied off using saidin. I think you're right that it felt a bit rushed. It seems like a pacing issue given next week is the finale. Really hope they make season 3 10 episodes.

I always thought Rand would take off Moiraine’s shield, or Ishy. It was made with Saidin after all. But yeah some Book Cloaks kind of forgot that Mat doesn’t even have a POV until about 20 chapters in to book 3 😅

I really like this theories section at the end of your reaction video. You have plenty of time for non readers to jump. And it’s not a bother for us if you go off script or have to look at it.

Your reviews are the best. Thank you!

Love your theory on Siuan! Thanks!

First things first. Lauren I continue to love your content. You can see both sides of why people like and dislike the show. Even though you are more optimistic about things than I am, you have helped me think of the show in a different way when comparing it to the books. Thank you. Now one story line that I have disliked all season has been Moiraine, Lan, and the Truple. It was nice to see it end. The weave cutting thing was whatever. Wish Lan would have just asked Rand to cut it and nothing else. One of my favorite things from the books was the letter to someone, that I really have wanted back in the show, from Moiraine. That thread that led to a certain tower and was one of my favorite things to read. I'm hopeful now that Siuan and Moiraine having this fall out might lead to that story being shown on screen. The Mat scenes, I liked how they were shot. Finn is doing a good job of making me at least feel like it is Mat. Theory though, what if Rand drinks the same tea and sees his past lives and that's how he learns some weaves, swordplay, and maybe we get Lews in his head. Something has to happen because Rand is not ready by any means to face the next two battles. The show can't continue to roll Mat's luck into Rand's character. Again, Love the content keep up the great work. Ready for the Finale and you breakdowns for the whole season.

After 2nd watch, I think the Mat tea visions were related to if he retakes possession of the dagger. They were showing us dagger Mat. He becoming his mother represents his fear of powerlessness against the aggression of the evil of the dagger. Setup for ep8 Regarding the two possible instances of compulsion, I don't think that is Liandrin's doing or she would have used it on Leanne when trying to find out where Siuan was. I think the spider may have been hiding in the white tower. Can't wait to see her appear.

10 ай бұрын

A spider... or someone else she could have met while in Caemlyn? But the spider at work without anyone suspecting it would be especially on brand!

@Clairejart

10 ай бұрын

I do too!

Thanks again Lauren. Loved the main story line with Rand, Moiraine, Lan, Logain, Verin et al that led to Moiraine being able to channel again. Always thought she was shielded, and given only a man can see the weaves, it had to be Rand who saved her - As good as Siuan might be at undoing knots, it helps if you can see them. MoiraIne now has Toh to Rand - or at least some trust. Siuan looked/sounded off, but I hadn't put any thought into it beyond them setting up for her to be overthrown in early S3 and bring on Elaida. Siuan now knows know she at least has Moiraine and Verin against her regarding Rand, if not Alana. I too had to watch twice in a row. I just did not get the Mat tea scene at all first time around. I was sort of expecting to see where Mat got some of his military tactical skills from in a past life, but it was really an Ishy recruitment video showing what a crap life Mat has had over and over, and what a bad person he is, so wouldn't it be great to stop it by breaking the wheel. Lanfear getting Mat to Falme via travelling was way too convenient - although it does leave the Min storyline up in the air. Mat was a Neville Nobody in book 2 so I can live with his limited screentime, but this needs to be addressed in S3.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Haha, love calling it an Ishy recruitment video.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Moiraine couldn't be a dark friend or else her *oath on the Rod wouldn't have held* when she was ordered/forced to close the gate. Suian isn't stupid, the One Power doesn't work that way. She may have been compelled but I'm not convinced of even that. It could simply be the direction they chose to take. Suian violated her by forcing her to do something against her will though. You can't 'I'm sorry' actions like that.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

True!

@Zulverius

10 ай бұрын

Well, when you apply a new oath it overrides the previous one right? I thought that's what happened in the books. Can't remember exactly but didn't a Red and a White start making people start retaking the oaths and added one to it?

@shauntempley9757

10 ай бұрын

They did, except the new oath in the books did not override the previous oaths. It was just that the new oath caused a reaction to another oath. Specifically, the oath about not lying activated, each time they told that sister to answer a question she knew to be a lie. @@Zulverius

@talmanes4589

10 ай бұрын

That's just not true. An Oath of obedience will hold even a black sister. We see this in the books. Black sisters are free from the 3 Oaths because they use the Oath Rod to free themselves then swear new Oaths. They aren't free to break all their Oaths, they remove them. At least, this is how it works in the books. Agree with the rest of what you said though. I disliked when people constantly tried to use compulsion as a reason for things in the books when there was no evidence of it at all and I'm disliking it for the show just as much.

@shauntempley9757

10 ай бұрын

That is not what I mean. I mean any other oath that deals with stating information in a specific way. You are right a Black sister would not be affected in that way. I am saying a sister with the Oaths bound to them would.@@talmanes4589

I think the way Rand cut through the weave was like how Alexander the Great sliced through the Gordian Knot.

I’m not a book reader and I’d give it a 7.5-8, it had good action and Morriane finally got her powers back (I figured she’d have to since she’s a main character). I really didn’t understand why Matt was taken, I’m not even sure what he means to the story overall to be honest. It seems like you could completely remove Matt from the show and it wouldn’t be any different, I don’t know why Ishmael is even interested in him, I don’t think he’s powerful or anything. I didn’t mind the Perrin or Nyneave scenes at all, felt like it was there just to give an update on where they were at, if either were longer that would have been better. Overall I love this show and look forward to watching it every week!! Thanks for the videos

@nephtys369

10 ай бұрын

The Matt thing /should/ be clear next ep.

@Berndr

10 ай бұрын

Regarding Mat I think they don't not have a budget nor time to do the entire Aelfinn and the Eelfinn realm, In the book he goes through an ordeal that grants him ability from previous lives .... so they are using a simpler and faster solution via Ishamael to get Mat where he needs to be and get his skills ... it kinda works ...

@thalanys7184

10 ай бұрын

I think there is more in Matt that what we saw until now. The switching actors didn't help Matt plotline in both season, really hope he will suprise us further on the road.

@happy4life265

10 ай бұрын

I hope Matt does not turn to the dark. It will not make sense

@lukash3284

10 ай бұрын

Mats character only really takes off in book 3 and he's a fan favorite. Just give him time, it's a bit of a drag to get him where he needs to be, even in the books. But I expect him to be amazing season 3 and onwards

TS: 4:29 Egwene and the actress who is playing her is killing it this season.

Your theory about siuan is interesting esp since in ep6 of season 1 she talks to moraine about seeing the "dark one" in her dreams

Btw take another look at the scene in s1 where Siuan describes her dreams about the Eye of the World to Moiraine. I've always thought there was something dodgy about that.

In your last theory could it be another of the ladies from the second age. Lanfear is just as good at, using people, and remember she is very powerful in the books, and the woman were considered more delicate and intricate in using the power.

On the theory side of things. I’ll bet that a portal stone gets used in season three going into the waist. We will get flicker flicker there, and maybe that’s the prosthetics that Rafe is referring to.

@thalanys7184

10 ай бұрын

I'm with you on that one, no more time for this season but will suprise the books fan for season 3.

@questionsroxelane3643

10 ай бұрын

I can so totally see that too! In a way, it would make even more sense than having it right now too, a bit like not having Elyas and Domon in S1, and then, boom, they're here now and everyone is excited!

I love Siuan in the books, so I was sad about the direction taken with her character. However, I'm ok with it. In this turning, Siuan was pushed further. I remember she was nervous in faldara in the books, Moiraine stilled, and lying might have broken her faith in the mission.

I really need this series to be like 13 episodes I am just not satisfied with the 8. I feel like it is ending way to quickly for me. I never read the books so I really appreciate all the content from people who did allowing me to understand the world and be able to enjoy the series much more

@samsmom1491

10 ай бұрын

They are also on audio on KZread. The first book, The Eye Of The World, is actually read by Rosamund Pike. I wonder how she honestly feels about the direction the show took opposed to the book? I just finished listening to it (I read it myself back in the 90s) and am a quarter of the way through the second book, also on audio on KZread.

@telpewen

10 ай бұрын

​@@samsmom1491the first three books are all out with Rosamund Pike narrating now. She's a fantastic voice actor - some of the best audio books I've heard.

@questionsroxelane3643

10 ай бұрын

​@@samsmom1491well, she's producer for the show as well so her opinion is certainly known and taken in acct...

@lysabelle3990

10 ай бұрын

@@samsmom1491 Thank You!

How could you expect Siuan to be the one that cuts the knot? She can't even see the weaves..

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

I hoped she would help Rand to untie it. We saw Siuan 2 different times in S1 untying knots, so I had hoped it was foreshadowing.

@andyseres4080

10 ай бұрын

@@UnravelingthePattern Ahh okay now I get what you mean. Love your channel keep up the outstanding content 🔥

Don’t have anything to say just commenting to help algorithm. great job!

With over 400 comments, someone has probably already said this (and I'm too lazy to look through them all 😅) but I think Moghedien is in the Tower and she has been pulling Siuan's strings. ❤ Another fantastic video!

Great video, love your content! As others have said, Lan's smile when he found out Moiraine was not suicidal was because that confirmed his suspicion she was not stilled. And it had to be Rand to overcome it, despite his inexperience, because it was a weave of saidin that had been tied off, not saidar. No-one else there could have done it. Saying Rand could not untie it was just setting up the danger of doing it the other way, the dangerous way, cutting it.

Daes Dae Maer is originally an Aes Sedai thing, the way Verryn tricked Liana was a clear case of Daes Dae Maer - listen to what she told her, Siuan send me, and this is an order - these are two separate sentences but no lie wass said.

I don't understand why you disliked Rand untying the knot as it's the only time all season really that he's demonstrated his power. Also why give it to Suian...I know the OP works differently in the show but can we at least keep saidin and saidar seperate please?

@briane8627

10 ай бұрын

Its probably just the sillyness of Lan saying Rand isn't skilled enough to untie the knot. Then, having Rand "cut the knot" instead. It's clunky.

@UnravelingthePattern

10 ай бұрын

Sorry, I didn't dislike Rand cutting the knot, I was just disappointed that Siuan didn't help in some way.

@Clairejart

10 ай бұрын

I think because they focused on Siuan’s special knot untying ability with her father when she was introduced. It felt like foreshadowing.

Lanfear did say a broken Amyrlin was of more use to them. Adds credence to your theory on Siuan being under their thumb.

I disagree with you on the Siuan stuff because I think they'll bring it back together in the future as they have with other similar events that at first had felt like diverging fundamentally from the book: Moraine turning out to not have been stilled for example. But I love that your review feels so fresh and honest, in this era of content creators selling their opinions to the highest bidder your honest takes are very refreshing. I also second the motion that your book spoilers are awesome and you should keep doing them...

I definitely think that the show continues to set up the Tower coup. The theory that Suian is compulsed is an interesting one that I hadn’t considered, but it would explain a lot about her behavior. I wonder how the relationship with Moiraine is going to be changed. Has Siuan irreparably harmed it? And does that leave both of them open for relationships from the books? That would seem really weird at this point, but this storyline is so changed it’s kind of hard to guess. Also, it probably depends on whether Moiraine’s part in the show more closely comes in line with the books or if they are going to change her arc past Book 5. The other thought I had besides compulsion is Lanfear or Ishamael using her dreams. We saw that Ishamael probably did that in Season 1, so why not in Season 2 as well?

I like your comment on Compulsion. A Broken Amylrin could be the one taken power after the coup.

Loved every moment of Rand ❤

I was really happy with how they handled Moiraine's shield. It only made sense that she felt stilled because she can't tell that it was Saidin that was shielding her from the source. She needed a male channeler to break the shield so it made perfect sense that Rand would do it. However I thought it was going to be Logain who would teach Rand how to untie the shield, like an actual full five to eight minute scene where Rand is learning to control the power with Logain's guidance and then channeling that controlled weave into releasing Moiraine from her shield. The "wolves" barking was pretty cringe, that was an easy sound edit if the wolf dogs they use in place of real wolves were barking during scenes, wolves growl and howl, they don't bark.

Great video Lauren! Please remember that not all your viewers are from the US - I had to google and guess what something being "cw" meant.

I wish we could have gotten Lan going to Caihrien and spending some time training Rand. There could’ve been some great dialogue between Lan and Rand, and they could have made the final realization with Logain more impactful and believable, and it would make Rands growth into a fighter important and believable. If Lan and Moiraine had to split up, I think they could have had Moiraine send Lan away back to the tower when she left to go kill Lanfear. It would’ve given Lan much better plot development, and it feels to me like everything else would have fit.

When Lan asked Moiraine if she felt like ending her life, the way he asked her, I just KNEW it was because he had an alternate theory as to what was happening to her. I think he asked that question to get circumstantial evidence that supported a theory he was building. That was then solidified when he talked to Logain. He is a good investigator, and I really think that tracks well with his character. He notices things that others don't.

It could also be that Lanfear threatened Siuan that she would kill Moraine if Siuan didn't shield and hold Rand. When Rand told Lanfear in the dream world that he was held by Siuan in the Sun Palace, Lanfear said "I know". Lanfear could have threatened Siuan right after she got into Ciarien, because it seems that she and Lan were aligned before that, but all of a sudden Siuan changed her position --- Lan even said "This was not the plan" to Siuan after she shielded Rand. I hope this is the case, as this would make the whole story way more interesting and the episode more exciting.

To be honest, i think that the Siuan wanting to cage the dragon part is good, because it introduces the idea of a conflict between Rand and Tower Aes Sedai.

@R3ligion_On_Trial

10 ай бұрын

That is Elaidas arch though. Siuna lets him go loose. Think about it for a second. Rand is afraid of every aesedai, and when he comes face to face with the amarylln she lets him go. Elaida come later and her minions place him in a box. How can you be ok with this iteration? The distrust that Rand has with the aesedai is because of their ruthless gentling of men, amd they are really efficiemt amd effective at it. This is where his distrust of them begins, he is always wary of them, and when he gets caught he down right wants nothing to do with them. They could have done better and should have done better.

@mEmory______

10 ай бұрын

@@R3ligion_On_Trial Rand was afraid of aes sedai before Elaida, this event, siuan capturing him, does nothing but fuel this essential arc in Rands story. It also makes a lot of sense, considering Siuan is Amyrlin seat at a time when she knows two things, the last battle is comgng and she is in danger of losing power if she let's go of Rand, and people figure out she is letting the dragon loose. So it not only fuels Rands paranoia, it also adds to Siuans coming fall. Seems pretty well done to me.

I'm also so confused why the title of this episode is Daes Dae'mar. Maybe because I was expecting the Cairhienin style Daes Dae'mar. But come to think of it, most of the storylines are about scheming, especially between the Aes Sedai. Lan and Siuan scheming behind Moiraine's back, then it turns out that Siuan has schemes of her own. Verin playing Leane. I also like the order Liandrin gives to Barthanes, to remove Moiraine on the board. We know who was the threat to Moiraine, and it was shown in the last episode that Lanfear seems to be recruiting Liandrin. I think the order to kill Moiraine didn't come from the Dark One or from Ishamael, but from Lanfear. Its a subtle hint that the Forsaken would work against one another if there's a conflict of interest.

Book Spolier! Also, thanks for these videos! I can see how much care you put into them, and it shows. ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Spoiler speculation - I wonder if they're trying to use compulsion through Liandrin to turn Suian into a puppet Amyrlin, therefore setting up Elaida without needing an Elaida (we haven't seen her yet, but in the books she's very much getting ready for Suian. I also think want to point out that in the books, Mesaana sets up shop in the white tower. In the show, Lanfear told Liandrin that she wasn't bound to just one master - since Mesaana is introduced so late in the books, could SHE be behind the compulsion o if used on Suian? Furthermore, I wonder if the tea is supposed to replace the first Ter'angreal that Mat discovers in the books, setting up his experience in Rhuidean? Lastly, point of order - the fight between Ishy and Rand in the sky above Falme - the projection of it wasn't any Aes Sedai's doing, it happened (possibly) because of the HoV. There's a lot to kind of speculate about.

A few comments regarding your criticisms-hopefully I'll say something or offer a fresh perspective that will increase your enjoyment of the episode (not that you disliked it, but more enjoyment is always better, I say!): ● *Re: Untying Moiraine's Shield* - How would Siuan have been able to untie the shield on Moiraine? The shield was woven of _sai'din_ and, as far as I know, the trick that lets _sai'dar_ dispel a _sai'din_ weave (and vice versa) is something that was lost after the Breaking (indeed one of my favourite little fist-pump moments from the books is-BOOK SPOILER AHEAD WEAR A HELMET-the moment when Rand shatters the Mirror of Mists the Aes Sedai try to intimidate him with, surprising the hell out of them). I'd long figured that there were precisely three people in the story who could have freed Moiraine: Ishamael, Lanfear, and Rand, and pretty quickly narrowed it down to "oh, Rand will free Moiraine" from there :) ● *Re: Siuan's Nastiness* - My interpretation of those moments was of a woman faced with a conflict between duty and her love for Moiraine, and overcorrecting: She knows what is at stake, and she sees herself as the Amyrlin who will preside over the possible end of the world, over the disaster for which the White Tower has been preparing for millennia. She has thousands of years of past Amyrlins and Tower law weighing on her, pressuring her to be the Amyrlin the world needs. So I understand completely how Siuan would brook no weakness in herself, no concessions to her own feelings, even treating Moiraine _more_ harshly than is warranted because of it. I honestly didn't see it as contrived at all: I saw it as an important character moment for Siuan's arc, her choosing duty so absolutely, and you could see the pain on her face as she made her choice (just as you saw the same on Moiraine's face when she made hers). Later in the video you encourage us to remember what Moiraine was going through during some of her less likeable moments; I think the exact same thing should be said of Siuan and her actions this episode. I definitely _don't_ think Siuan is under Compulsion-I think her actions are entirely in keeping with her character and the impossible weight of responsibility she is shouldering. Besides, Compulsion on the scale you're speculating about-i.e. long-term, precise control of someone's words and actions without turning them into a zombie-is something even Graendal would struggle with. I don't see Liandrin having anywhere near that degree of skill (nor Lanfear, nor Ishamael, now that I think about it). ● *Re: Abruptness of Mat's Trip to Falme* - I don't necessarily disagree with your criticism of it feeling abrupt, more that I think the show _wanted_ it to feel abrupt. We got that sense when Mat stepped out onto the balcony and beheld the coastal waters with utter disbelief: We were made to feel the same jarring sense of dislocation that he was experiencing, which I thought was great! Even the way it undercut Ishamael's setting things up with Min had layers, further showing how the Forsaken are far from a united front and regularly fuck with each other's plans. Much like in the books, the greatest weakness of the Forsaken is often each other. ● *Re: Moiraine as Darkfriend?* - This idea of yours came totally out of left field to me! I suppose I can see how the show might be trying to sow a bit of suspicion among non book readers (much like they did with the Dragon Reborn's identity in season one), but the evidence just isn't there. Because Moiraine _sincerely thought_ she was stilled up until the moment Lan told her about the weave-she didn't even know it was _possible_ for a shield to be tied off. An Aes Sedai can say things that are untrue if they believe them to be true, and that's clearly (to me at least) what's going on with Moiraine claiming she had been stilled. Moreover, we clearly saw that the Oath Rod continues to bind her when literal flows of the Power compelled her to obey Siuan's order to close the Waygate. ● *Re: The Battle in the Sky* - Ever since the show was first announced, I've been wondering how they were going to pull off this scene in a way that wasn't cheesy. I mean, they can't have Rand and Ishamael projected into the sky like holograms with camera angle changes and everything, that would be absurd. But they keep having characters call attention to that visual by quoting the lines of the prophecy, and I don't think the writers would have emphasized that part so much if they were going to significantly change it or reduce its epic effect on the world/witnesses. Maybe they'll fight inside some huge thunderhead and the people on the ground will catch only glimpses? I've been trying to imagine how this scene will go for _years_ and I am very excited to finally learn what it's going to look like! ● *Re: Flicker-Flicker* - What's with your obsession with the flicker-flicker stuff? 😉 I always thought it felt weird and out of place in the books, and I am not at all disappointed that they've so far skipped it in the show. Between The Ways and Tel'aran'rhiod, I think introducing a whole 'nother alternate dimension with fairly little relevance to the plot would be a bit much. Perhaps we'll get a small nod to it, but I very much doubt we'll be seeing extended scenes in an alternate Westlands. ● *Re: Lanfear* - How the hell did you not make a single mention of all the badass Lanfear action we got? Her callously nuking the Foregate was just \*chef's kiss\*; her whole "goth villainess" look is absolutely doing it for me; and her devious emotional manipulation of everyone she interacts with is perfection. (When the Aes Sedai gathered on the balcony/bridge to bring the rain, I initially thought they were going to have a faceoff with Lanfear on the street below-in hindsight, I think it's a good idea they didn't; if the Aes Sedai had won, that would cheapen the mystique of the Forsaken, and if Lanfear had won against that many linked Sisters, that would have overinflated the power level of the Forsaken.) Woo, that was long! I absolutey love your videos, thank you so much once again for posting your thoughts and analysis!

I've never really cared for or believed in Egwenes character when reading the books, but I'm really invested in this portrayal of her. I wasnt sure in season 1 but this actress is a great choice

The throne chamber scene looked amazing, the lighting, camera angles all of it! Also how Rand was just down trodden when he was shielded was a great touch. Just looking at the last few episodes it seems the show is starting to find it's way out the the "CW" space as you put it and more in line with the level of production and "realism" of shows like HoTD, TLoU, or pretty much any of TWD shows (though even they have their cringe moments every once in a few episodes).

So glad i found this channel. I guess i never really had a reason to branch out to other book readers until the show came out. But thanks for being being fair to the show. Im liking it a lot. Not a fan of some of the changes but its an adaptation.

I actually really liked this episode. Lots of setting stuff up. And I think its going to have a good payoff. Sooo I am pretty sure that they might due Lews and the mountain formation next episode. I get the feels of it. I think Mat and the tea is how he is going to feed into us getting our Mat rather than doorway. On Eguaine yeah. I agree that she wasn't broken. Her eyes didn't look dead, they looked focused. Bending, Forging, other terms like that make total sense.

Interesting take on Siuan being under compulsion. There was a scene with Liandrin and Siuan in ep6 that I thought was kind of weird and out-of-place feeling. If there's a flashback showing that's when she got compulsed, that could be kind of cool. Was a strange episode for me, had a lot of things that made me go "meh" as I was watching, but ended up feeling pretty positive and excited for ep8.

I’m still in love with the Ishy nickname.

i got my share of flicker flicker scene in everything, everywhere, all at once. that one was awesome :D

Does anyone know why they cut the intro? I loved the song and the visuals. Spoiler alert! I found Siuan's behaviour weird and too stubborn but not senseless. It was heartbreaking to see but this opens up to Moiraines future in the books. I was surprised both Siuan and Lanfear could find them so easily though I mean you needed a map and then Alanna and the others were supposed to make sure they were not being followed! What happened to them?

@maywecomein

10 ай бұрын

Probably to squeeze in an extra couple minutes each episode.