I am equally admiring Keith’s emotional logic ,as I am admiring Ken’s logical emotion.

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

🤓👍

@Suzukii-DIY

Жыл бұрын

The score: Ken, 1, Future drone pilots at that site cuz his buddy couldn't clam up, -1000. I don't argue with the local PD when this happens to me and my buddies. I've packed it up and lived to fly another day, at the same site and different officers have come over and share with me how much they've enjoyed watching those of us that come to fly our drones and other RC flying machines.

@ajfragosa2355

Жыл бұрын

Beto ELDorkOs like this will always hide behind ISIS Concubine thoughts

@PhotoBob

Жыл бұрын

Keith was a jackass and these are the ppl that set us back and will get drones banned. The cop was cool as hell

@manuelh.personaanima6256

Жыл бұрын

@@PhotoBob I'm glad that Ken calmly explained to the officer rules regarding the airspace and that the officer also called his lieutenant to make sure he was right instead of simply kicking them out or arresting Ken and Keith. These excessive, draconian local ordinances that district both commercial and recreational flyers, which are popping up everywhere, are ridiculous. It's crazy to think that kids can't fly a drone in most Nashville/Davidson County parks. I will say that, even by Keith's own account, it seems like the cop wasn't bad at all and was just doing his job. Keith kept cutting him off, which is gonna rub anyone the wrong way. I get extremely frustrated with these kinds of excessive anti-drone laws, but we can take the Ken approach and educate cops as we challenge these new laws in court and via our reps.

Thanks for defining and defending our drone rights. 😊

The sign at the end "PRICELESS"........ As an avid operator/business owner, I admire your hard work and dedication to clarifying the issues that we face daily. Keep the videos coming.

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

Some days I'm a Keith, some days I'm a Ken... I wish you both the best. Thanks Keith for defending your rights. Ken, thanks for defending your rights. I wish things could go better, but I fully anticipate this will be the norm. Keith... I have your anger. I know your pain. I get the same exact way. People like you and me need to learn to make "let it go" a road that's easier to take. It's hard for me to forgive and forget and move on... but I know I need to.

@AsikDrone

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao I feel the same..

@RandoManFPV

7 ай бұрын

Let it go lol. You mean like the cop that said over and over again like 7 times how "some people make things hard" while motioning towards Keith 😂 and then actually has the audacity to complain about how long this took 😂😂 he literally could've walked away 5 mins ago. Fck pigs

It's not confusing. Property can dictate where you can take off and land. Once your in the air, it's only the FAA that has authority. It's not that complicated...... I'm a licensed commercial drone pilot.

@dennymontgomery9716

Жыл бұрын

Well, not quite. DJI with their Geo Fencing can also limit where you fly and how high (their self-generated altitude zones) you fly if you are in FAA controlled airspace even if you have LAANC authorization to fly at a higher grid altitude than DJI’s imposed altitude zone limit. What is the basis for their involvement in the control of U.S. controlled airspace???

@kenb6565

Жыл бұрын

Yup...not sure why there is any confusion. Faa controls air space. The ground you stand on and take off from, not so much. Seems simple to me.

@bugsy742

Жыл бұрын

😂 why did you put “I’m a licensed commercial drone pilot? 😅 I must be the ONLY one who doesn’t sound like a bloody Vegan every time I open my mouth! No one cares, no one asked, it’s utterly irrelevant AND makes you look like a tit mate!

@DanielCrist

Жыл бұрын

​​@@kenb6565 my understanding though is that in the US, airspace begins immediately above the ground or any structures present though. So technically if you were to hand-launch, that would be from within airspace, not directly from the property.

@randyXLT

Жыл бұрын

@@dennymontgomery9716 Yes but, DJI limits you because the FAA tells them too. Still the FAA. DJI is only acting at our managers because they built the drone/remote. It is for our convenience and quite honestly keeps us out of trouble.

Imagine the insane increase in confrontations like this with remote id

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@gu9838

Жыл бұрын

thank God for sub 250g drones!

@GorditoBanditoFPV

Жыл бұрын

@kenneth9838 sub 250 drone will also need remote ID.

@tobydz

Жыл бұрын

Negative. Sub 250 drones will *not* need RID.

@ITech2005

Жыл бұрын

​@@GorditoBanditoFPV Please don't spread false information

"Just doing their job" is the number one excuse that's going to send many of them to a very dark and hot place

@johnnybickle13

3 ай бұрын

Dark and hot place huh,, haha.. Does jesus fly drones or something ?

@wearechangecthartford

Күн бұрын

Or a camp of some sorts...

Great video! I hope you can send this to that police station so things go differently in the future. I have experienced similar conversation several times when you’re alone it’s so hard sometimes to maintain composure.

I've had this very problem with a town near me. They wanted to ban drones flying inside the city limits period. Several of us commercial pilots that work this area went to the town board meeting and spoke about it and instructed them about case law regarding the airspace and what authority they had. Also, that there are legitimate uses of the space around the parks etc that needs to have a work around in their rules. Filming events for TV etc. They listened and a couple of weeks later after consulting with the towns attorney, they started a registration program for professional pilots that gives us the right to fly on their town property. It is a free registration and we have to do it every couple of years and Parks and Rec keeps it on file. So, we met in the middle and found a solution. Maybe this is a conversation that needs to be had in Nashville. Flying in other cities for Public Television etc in a busy public area I usually drop by the police department and tell them what I am up to before I go fly. The simple fact that I did that seems to go a long way. Heck, they even come out sometimes to block the crowd or a street for me to keep the public back. But Ken is right. Don't argue with them. Even if they are wrong. De-escalate it and handle it later through other means. Good job keeping him out of the bracelets Ken :)

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

🤓👍

@highrider9168

Жыл бұрын

Supreme court cases help the hobby as well. So at some point we may have to start getting tickets to get court dates to get a supreme court ruling that forces either the FAA or local government to make changes.

@Cruz474

Жыл бұрын

De-escalation is paramount. Cops will be vindictive and you are completely at their mercy, as shitty as it is. Just do whatever you can to get out of the situation. Live another day.

@L8again902

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you threw the hobbyists to the wolves.

@lforleee2004

Жыл бұрын

​@@KenHeron will taking off from hand count has taking off from the land?

Keith, my grandfather once told me;"Sonny Boy, don't ever miss the perfect moment to shut up!" Nice job, Ken. You kept yourself from being a bail bondsman !

@MadDragon75

Жыл бұрын

I have been a Keith in the past... It took a long time to merge to a Ken.

@richardhykes6939

Жыл бұрын

The Ole saying is don't go away mad, just go away 🤬. I'm glad nobody got hurt, other than your felling Keith hang in there My friend an Ken. Keep on flying

@joebrown4144

Жыл бұрын

Ken is a boot licker Keith was standing up for his rights

@deanooooooo6496

Жыл бұрын

@@joebrown4144 Amen.. Keith was correct.

@ChiTownGuerrilla

Жыл бұрын

Great advice I'll take it! 👍

This Cop has the “you don’t agree with me, therefore you’re not listening” attitude!!! He also has “Lastworditous” and is unwilling to let anyone leave without them knowing how “Right” he is!!!

Great video Ken. thanks for sharing this bud

I've been watching you for years... This is the calmest you've ever handled a confrontation. Atta boy Ken, proud of you keeping a level head!

@jerseyshoredroneservices225

Жыл бұрын

I commented "It's not often that Ken is the calmest dude at the scene of a conflict LOL" but then I deleted it. it's funny now I see that I'm not the only one thinking the same thing.

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

☺️👍

@shroompicn-shrooman

Жыл бұрын

​@@KenHeronwhat if you took off from outside and walked in with the drone in the air .. walked out to land 😂

@Loco_Lui

Жыл бұрын

Always easier when it's not you! LoL 😂. I can do that too when it's not me under fire.

@Loco_Lui

Жыл бұрын

​@@shroompicn-shrooman exactly... That's why we have to continue to push for proper regulation, it's new territory with vague language that has a LOT of those same "What ifs".

Unfortunately this going to be a hot mess for while. What needs to happen is local officials need to get with someone who affiliated with the FAA before they write laws about drone and what they can and cannot do so there won’t be this confusion going on. The language in the ordinance looks like someone was putting together something after they got complaints from people. People use drones for recreational, videography footage and real estate business etc.. Thank you Ken for being a middle person for everyone involved 😊

@jasonv.9015

Жыл бұрын

What are you talking about, it’s very clear where you can and can’t fly drones, he showed the law and it’s not confusing at all, except for the 2 dummy’s

Very informative interaction. Thanks for posting!

Ken the way you handled that situation was pretty cool 😎 thanks for sticking up for the community 👍

So municipalities can make rules about take off and land in their parks. But they can't stop us from flying over! Thanks for the lesson guys! Cheers!

@jerseyshoredroneservices225

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they can regulate land-use but they're not supposed to create airspace regulations because that would conflict with the FAA. Some states have laws that prohibit cities from creating drone ordinances. in that situation I'm not sure if the city's can still ban takeoff and landing because that would conflict with the state law.

@headlight4141

Жыл бұрын

makes no sense, why have it on the books at all if all you have to do is walk across the street to fly the exact same airspace where you "cant land or take off." It really matters not where you take off or land as long as you're safe and not doing it in a crowd or something stupid.

@Inertia888

Жыл бұрын

@@headlight4141 They would have airspace regulated, but they can't. So, they regulate up to the point, where they can get away with it. The government, federal, state, and usually local, will always take as much as they can get away with.

@DMC888

Жыл бұрын

@@headlight4141 it’s the take off and landing. I don’t have the figures, but I’d estimate a few hundred thousand a year are killed by drones taking off and landing in parks. It makes perfect sense. 😂

@ugpfpv361

Жыл бұрын

​@@DMC888 LoL

Ken is the ‘Drone Diplomat’. As an aviation spotter/photographer, we too have had run-ins with Law Enforcement (especially after 9/11), however too many hot headed militant spotters relished the idea in getting into a verbal war of words (like this guy seemingly wanted to) with the local officials, resulting in some cases, banishment from airports an airfields. We may be in the right according to the local ordinances and laws, but arguing with a cop over such things is a waste of time, move on and return another day. Experience has taught me that one cop that is on a power trip, is not always the norm, he may be there one day and the next, a cop who is absolutely fine with what you are doing.

@northtexas.spotteralonsofr3942

Жыл бұрын

Same dude I do aviation photography I have been confronted by officers but they were super chill but they did tell me that I needed to call ops at the airport I was spotting at.

@glenadams7706

5 ай бұрын

rights not exercised are rights lost

On a power trip. Running around like Eric Cartman "RESPECT MY AUTHORIT I "

I love the 99% concentrated dad joke energy you exude in all your videos. Im a big fan of your channel. Been watching since i first got into the hobby like 6 years ago

@KenHeron

10 ай бұрын

HAA! Thank you. Your comment arrived JUSTIN time. 🤓

I support Keith as a freedom loving American

@Killswitch1411

11 ай бұрын

He was better off moving on instead of doing what he did.. He made it worse on himself. Wont be any freedom loving when the strong arm of the law bending you over when he could have been like ok i'm right you're wrong and go find more information and letting the proper people know.

Tampa PD tried the same shit with me and ultimately backed off after the county showed up. Always tip your your local park attendants never know when the hush money will come through.

Tone and the ability to listen are everything. Never overtalk above all. At the same time, it's so tiring to fight 'local yokel' ordinances.

That was extraordinarily entertaining! And that Ending with the City Sign partially blocked and the dialogue…. Icing on the cake!!!😂😂😂

@KenHeron

2 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

I luckily live in Michigan and there is a State law that backs up the drone pilots. I carry a copy to cite it precisely to an officer. So far I'm lucky and the cops have been cool and understanding. Most see them during search and rescues.

@camilo8cheryl

Жыл бұрын

Same here Michigan proud, i can fly everywhere as long as I’m abiding by FAA rules..

@shadowofchaos8932

Жыл бұрын

@camilo8cheryl Act 436 of 2016. MCP 259.306 Sec 5 (1) Basically, the FAA regulates UAVs in Michigan. That is the law if you need it.

@jgallone

Жыл бұрын

@@shadowofchaos8932 Thank you, was going to ask what law you were referring to.

@petem.3719

Жыл бұрын

Please fix your weather. I'm a Florida inmate but I'm too old to handle that white stuff. No. not that white stuff. The other white stuff. On the ground. Whaatsitcalled?

@jgallone

Жыл бұрын

@@petem.3719 I'm getting too old to handle the white stuff too but you learn to adapt...spend the winter flying tiny whoops indoors and building/fixing my larger RC stuff in preparation for the decent flying weather.

This isn't "making it easier or safer" for pilots. This is causing more confrontation than there needs to be. I believe only FAA should be approaching a pilot and making laws that govern them but not without the pilots input and opinions being represented in the best interest. Leaving it to the police is going to cause way more hostility than is necessary. Making it all the easier for them to generate reasons to ban the hobby via "bad encounters" which are usually just encounters where someone is either ill-informed or misinformed or just plain mistaken. Albeit deputy or civilian.

@rcrawford42

Жыл бұрын

The cop was being an idiot. "Go play in traffic rather than standing in a parking lot".

@truegret7778

Жыл бұрын

@highrider9168 - agree with you, up to having "the FAA make the laws that govern" ..... Congress gets that duty. A big problem is that the industry moves at lightning speed and Congress and the Feds move at a snails pace.

@mycroft16

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we can't have a completely different set of laws for every single jurisdiction. Even every state having different laws would be ludicrous. Think what driving would be like if the laws were different all over. It's gotta be the FAA and it's gotta be a national set of rules that apply across the country to everyone or it just doesn't make sense. UT has some extremely vaguely worded laws that some businesses use to say you can't fly over their property. Comes down to if you have a room that isn't open to thepublic then the place counts as private. Even though that flies in the face to the reasonable expectation of privacy standards that apply to photography and video. Someone has to make sense of this mess.

@robaxelsson530

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@rcrawford42 no he wasn’t being a idiot ..he was carrying out what he was asked to do.. EVERYONE calls the police to fix what they deem a “problem”.. Ask yourself this.. If you were that Officer.. would you want to deal with this BS?

@robaxelsson530

Жыл бұрын

Ken, good job.. cooler heads prevail …officers are being tasked to deal with “drone” calls now.. even with what little info they have they know it’s a Federal Regulation and not enforceable by them.. but .. local stuff can be.. its a Political hot button… and Officers do NOT like the political game,.. they have enough BS to deal with..

I’m a part 107 Pilot, I see this in all parts of the country. Many people forget that the State and Federal Government are separate jurisdictions. The Federal government shall not infringe on a state, county or local municipality to enact, pass, and enforce laws and ordinances. Like Ken said, both are correct, unfortunately Keith was only correct that he could overfly that area. I never once heard the officer disagree that he could not overfly the park, he merely said he couldn’t fly it from where he was currently standing. Ken knows Keith better than anyone and he was politely trying to say he was being a “Richard”. @ Keith you are too “seasoned” of a fellow to be that confrontational. From the outside looking in, you were 100% in the wrong because YOU, as the PIC, are responsible for knowing when and where you can fly… that includes and is THE point where you are remotely launching and operating your drone from. It isn’t on the cops, they were enforcing the municipal code. They didn’t write the code the city of Nashville did. It isn’t the department’s policy, it is the city ordinance. Don’t beat up the cops because you don’t like the city ordinance, go beat up the city council. Get all the Remote Pilots in your area involved, petition for a change to that ordinance. In all fairness, we didn’t see the first part of the interaction, but IMHO you weren’t making yourself look good in this. I was expecting to see a couple cops getting educated on the FAA rules in the CFR, but that wasn’t what I watched. Don’t be a Richard if you are not 100% correct, it makes it difficult for other 107 Pilots down the road. IMHO, like it or leave it.

@elbowkid222

Ай бұрын

Best comment on this so far. It’s up to us pilots to check where we fly beforehand…or risked getting told to take it down

I think the miscommunication was you can’t fly your drone in the park. Officer meant you can’t take off or land in park per local ordinance and Keith was like I can fly because I’m following FAA regulations.

@ugpfpv361

Жыл бұрын

Hard to tell as we didn't see the initial exchange

I'm on the side of us drone owners but isn't it OK if they limit takeoff and landing within their parks? I don't like it but isn't it legal for them to do so? We have those same rules here so I've never visited the parks because of not knowing where to take off and land from.

@username7763

7 ай бұрын

It seems to defy the purpose of a park. Why not ban eating a picnic in a park? Ban kids in a park? You can do it, but it seems pretty arbitrary. Normally public funds should go towards providing the most value to the most amount of people.

Thank you., these situations are the ones that teach us how to handle a situation, thanks for showing respect guys. your videos are awesome Ken, but this one is UNIQUE!

Thank you so much for sharing! 🎉

@KenHeron

11 ай бұрын

You bet!

"That's fine, I've got my gun too..." I laughed so hard I got a cramp! Keith's out here holding cops to account one stickup at a time!! 😂❤️

Thank you. This video was very informative and I I appreciate it a lot.

Glad you were there Ken! That could have really been bad....your knowledge is awesome and glad you're able to keep a level head!

@shadowofchaos8932

Жыл бұрын

Of course, getting wrongfully arrested makes for a great video and lawsuit. So far the law has supported the pilot, not the municipality.

@deanooooooo6496

Жыл бұрын

Ken acted like a coward, the cop was a liar and an authoritarian coward.

@jimquinn6433

Жыл бұрын

@@deanooooooo6496 Nope. I disagree on both sides of your statement.

@deanooooooo6496

Жыл бұрын

@@jimquinn6433 Why the cop was wrong and was bullying the man because he has a badge? Ken was admonishing his friend who was standing up for what was right? You disagree based on what?

@Astrodob

5 ай бұрын

@@deanooooooo6496 and you are delusional. Either you are not taking your meds, or you took too many. Like all frauditors, you lack the ability of reading comprehension and you probaby have not even read up on the drone regulations. You just go by what the voices in your head say.

Your awesome! Ken thank for sharing your knowledge.

"Well that's fine I got my gun too", I love Keith 😂😂😂😂

_"Book him Danno!"_ Don't poke the bear, choose your time and strategy at YOUR convenience.

i admire your approach Ken its never good to have confrontation when there was a calm way to achieve what you wanted and thats was fly over park just take off and landing at different spot great vid

Your sign-off had me laughing out loud! Too funny. Thanks for the good laugh

You saved the day Ken. Could you do an update on remote ID please are there any new modules out that are cheaper than $300 thanks, Ken.

very cool insight about cops and drone laws. need more of this so us as drone pilot is more aware how to conduct our self in confrontation. it doesn't have to be cops, it can be anybody. more knoledge, more experience is what we all need.

Alright, so this started around five to six minutes prior to Ken arriving and things were already going south to the point where I turned on my camera, I had it set up for when Ken arrived not for anything like this. The officers attitude changed when the camera got turned on. Prior to that he was doing his job, just not very well. I did instruct, when he approached that he would need to allow me to land my aircraft and after that I would be more than happy to talk to him. So, I landed and then we started getting into it. Right off the bat it was give your ID, for an ordinance violation don't think so. So, I gave him my Part 107, which as I told him was good enough. Was not a fan. That's when the second officer who never said anything at all arrived. No where in my approval said I couldn't take off and land there. I travel all over Tennessee and Kentucky flying commercially/recreationally and really just don't have the time to check every single place I go for City Ordinances. Who does! I agreed that they may under some land use issue be able to dictate whether I could launch or land even prior to Ken showing up. The sticking point and the reason for calling it in, was I made it clear I could fly from off the property. The issue is maintaining Line of Sight and really makes such a flight unsafe, more so than it would need to be. Just really glad Ken arrived when he did. as he's the people person. Me not so much, those who know me, know I give back what I receive, if your polite, I'm polite, if you're not neither am I. Thats something I'm working on as a person, not much else I can do. I wouldn't have been in such a state, if it was the friendly nice conversation, it should have been, and he claimed. So, that's what you missed, and that's all I have to say on this other than I won't be taking to many jobs in Nashville anymore even if they are well paying or going there to fly recreationally. Sad as it is a wonderful city with so much to offer and I do enjoy Nashville immensely. Since they've become so anti-drone, then I guess it's time to be anti-Nashville.

@johnmatson3792

Жыл бұрын

Always start recording as soon as you start getting your gear out. Or even better, get a body cam and start it as soon as you get there and then start a dedicated 360 camera as soon as you get out of your vehicle. Everyone can say, "I said this, and you said that." But the film doesn't take sides. Judges will always take the police officer's side, but with video, they will at least have to give you a chance. It can also help out with the FAA. Can be submitted to maybe get them off their butt about clarifying the rules better so this will not keep happening. That is part of the problem, to many different rules that no one can keep up with them all. Even the police office admitted he had to call his LT for clarification.

@frankmoreau8847

Жыл бұрын

Their park rules are draconian to say the least. The first page Ken put up makes it illegal for a kid to use a balsa wood glider, sled during the winter, use a coaster wagon, or just plain have fun in a city park.

@DDsAerialViews

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmatson3792 I will be from now on, for sure. Every time! This went south so fast. I was polite at first when it was just a nice conversation, what am I saying it was never a nice conversation. I was polite at first though. He came up on me like a bear. I agreed to leave, and not takeoff there, the real issue was he kept saying I couldn't fly over either, that's why I told him to call someone else. I also told him that I was turning the camera on as this was going south and I felt better with my own video, which he replied I'm recording. Just wow!

@DDsAerialViews

Жыл бұрын

@@frankmoreau8847 Yeah, sad for anyone wanting to try drone piloting. Just glad Ken showed when he did. As I said I'm only that way when that's what I'm receiving, that and I do have a tone, I guess.

@joshashdown4431

Жыл бұрын

He was wearing a body camera. Request a copy and post it here for us to see that encounter.

Well done Ken. The situation was going bad quickly! 🚨😄

Partner I love your tone you knew you were right, and you were willing to stand on them, regardless of what the tyrannical officer wanted, or was saying..

Ken, your friend is a very special breed that I know all too well myself. I have a colleague who, as soon as he thinks he is not being treated quite correctly, immediately ramps it up, gets loud and then can hardly be stopped. Doesn't help at all and in the end he's the loser because the other person can no longer take him seriously and doesn't want to deal with him anymore. That may still work if the other person is unimportant and then goes their own way. However, it fails when it comes to superiors, regulatory authorities or even the police, judges or other privileged persons. In most cases, such behavior goes back to experiences in childhood, e.g. when a child repeatedly has the feeling that it is not getting anything, always only hears "no", always only gets bans. And as an adult you react in a highly dramatic way when you get the feeling that the other person wants to take something away from you, that you think it belongs to you. Which in fact is mostly not the case. But you explode. Such people, no matter how nice they may be, block themselves so much in life and then don't understand why they don't get ahead in so many places. In my experience, most of these people never realize what they are missing out on by their behavior. And never change. Because they don't even realize it themselves. Sometimes a psychologist can help. If you want help. I feel sorry for your friend. Because he seems like a really nice guy. Tragic. And the cop was really cool I thought. Could have been worse.

@rustyshackelford1483

5 ай бұрын

...you sound just like a servile bootlicker! If it were 1776, you'd be a Tory Loyalist of Mad King George lll. Keith isn't simply upset about THIS single encounter with arrogant, unknowledgeable road pirates. Keith's reaction and consequent actions are from a lifetime of dealing with power tripping, dullards with badges, who can NEVER be wrong, let alone contradicted. Those thin blue line thugs need a nationwide check from We The People. Abolish police unions and end qualified immunity...NOW! “Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis.”

@matthewford5500

3 ай бұрын

Great breakdown of the scenario, his somewhat crippled ego hasn’t fully developed into adulthood. I try my best not to be like him in life, but have all the sympathy for him as well

Keith my grandpa always told "The more you stir in shit the more it stinks" ... Take it from someone who has had many interactions with the police in my younger years, in the moment "The Police Are Always Right"!! I wish I could've seen the initial interaction 😂.. Ken does a great job staying Kool, you're usually the one in the hot seat lol. Awesome vid guys.

I speak for everyone when I say all we ask for is people in position of power like police, to actually know what they are talking about. not saying I know more than them, but when they come barking orders like "you absolutely can not fly that here" then I shouldn't have to question you or feel like im being robbed of my enjoyment for the day. and I have to give Keith a solid salute and tip my hat to him for not simping immediately because a cop told you what you must do. great job Keith

I'm so happy that we have Mr.Heron , who knows the Drone Laws and can Defend us on these Issues .

He's not wrong there are a lot of officers that are aggressive right out of the gate so in turn our human instinct kicks into self defense mode. This garbage needs to be stopped!

@deputyrock3489

Жыл бұрын

Cops do this on purpose as a manipulation tactic. If they can put you on the defensive, they can get what they want out of you before you have time to think and realize that talking to them is not in your best interest.

@Zeaiclies

Жыл бұрын

How was it aggressive out of the gate?

@OpenCarryUSMC

11 ай бұрын

@@Zeaicliesdemanding ID without RAS of a crime (he had to call a supervisor to check on the ordinance so he did not meet the standard of RAS until after he demanded ID)

@Zeaiclies

11 ай бұрын

@@OpenCarryUSMC He simply asked for ID no RAS needed to ask for an ID.

@OpenCarryUSMC

11 ай бұрын

@@Zeaiclies That's correct. But there is also no requirement in any state to provide ID without RAS. Denial of ID sets many tyrant officers off.

Good job Ken.. Even though I am a Part 107 pilot.. I tend to be a wallflower in public situations like this.. Not real comfortable with confrontation.. It is one hell of a confusing, and conflicted situation when the locals set their own rules, and are not even aware of FAA regulations at all.. I do not like how this is going in our US of A... Anyway I do have to say the Police officer showed remarkable restraint in this situation ...

Ken.. I watch and listen to you all the time. I love you to bits my man, your entertaining, funny, informative and just pure BRILLIANT. A fan from Scotland. UK 👍🏾😀

@KenHeron

8 ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🤘

The man is always holding us down!

Ken thank you for showing how to handle things with the officer.

Had you been a few minutes later, you would’ve been recording Keith convulsing on the ground as the police use their little “sparkies“ to subdue him. That would’ve greatly increased your viewership. 😜. Thank you Ken for being a good friend and helping to de-escalate the situation.

@ASHole71

Жыл бұрын

Thats the cops job not Kens Keith was right

@invisibletosociety8338

Жыл бұрын

They keep playing that game and a lot of cops are going to be inside of rubber bags.

@ugpfpv361

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's hard to tell who actually escalated the situation as we didn't see the initial encounter. But yeah Keith didn't want to hear anything... Not even from Ken, so...

@Spazzfrom.1989

5 ай бұрын

@@ugpfpv361 obviously when a cop asks for ID with no real reason..and then hovers around like you are in dentention..then its obvious to figure where the escalation is

@ugpfpv361

5 ай бұрын

@@Spazzfrom.1989 wow 7 months

you left that cop hanging when he wanted to shake your hand lol

Ken, Great video and very practical. I like your approach of de-escalation since it is evident that the office did not understand de-escalation. I am not dogging the office since I used to be one but I will say that a follow up with the local chief would go a long way to preventing future encounters like this. A friendly conversation about the verbiage they have and why it causes confusion along with an explanation of what LAANCE approve provides. You could offer to help spread the word about the city restrictions (As ridiculous as it is) might again, go a long way in helping prevent other interactions like this. Maybe offer to have him on TNL as a guest??? Thanks for sharing.

The word "tyrant" never helps in an interaction with law enforcement. Thanks for cooling things off Ken . . .

@RogueBlood343

Жыл бұрын

He’s right though

@bidenisasnake9932

Жыл бұрын

Does the truth hurt your feelwings?

@stephenkolman5727

Жыл бұрын

Keep licking boots.

@gteaz

Жыл бұрын

Criminals hate being called criminals too.

@ATSaale

Жыл бұрын

Why would I help a criminal?

Ken, good job at keeping the peace, but I think Keith is correct. If he is willing to go to jail and hash this out in court, then that would be moving the game pieces further in the direction of a win or loss. I respect you Ken as always but I also respect Keith for resisting an unclear law. I'm a former police officer myself and what you said is correct, the police office must listen to all sides to prevent lawsuits to the city and himself, however he will enforce the law because that is his job. Keith, you're the kind of guy that would make those officers go back to the station, break out the books, and study the law closer. That cop really didn't want to arrest you just as much as ken didn't want to be arrested. So a trip to the next city council meeting would probably work better. That would force them to look at the Federal Aviation law. I believe in the end, it would be a win for drone pilots. Good video on how not to get arrested. The best way to fight tyrannical governments is by educating them.

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service!

@Clickmaster5k

Жыл бұрын

The law in this case says the city has no authority to ban UAS so the officer should enforce those laws. The cop didn't want to arrest because more often recently officers are being held accountable for violating the law.

@techone72893

Жыл бұрын

@@Clickmaster5k You are factually incorrect. At the moment, cities and states are within their rights to designate their parks as no takeoff and no landing zones. It is true that they cannot control the airspace ABOVE the parks, but that was never the issue in this case. The officer was right 100% and arguing with him was not going to change that or get him on your side. A calmer demeanor might have had a better outcome, it may not have, but I guarantee you, calling the cops names is NEVER going to win them over to your side.

We have the same problem here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. City bylaws prohibit drones on city property, including public parks. But we are allowed to take off and land from any private property, as long as the owner grants permission (or doesn't care??). Sometimes an abandoned parking lot at a shut down movie theatre (example), is good too. Some people (LOL) think drones are launched to spy on them. They often try to influence city councillors. The struggle is real. Thanks for recording and posting this. It's bang on!

I fully get keiths frustration & appreciate his reaction. Having dealt with LEOs for many, many years the current environment is more confrontational than ever before. Deescalation is a lost art with many departments & this video is great illustration.

Ken, you are a solid friend. Sometimes I wish I had a built in mute button for good friends to activate when I’ve clearly gone too far.

They'll be "polite" so long as you comply and "cooperate fully and completely like a good... Person, let's say.

These situations can be sticky. I have found it easier to just coordinate ahead of time with the Park’s Administrator. Sometimes they might want to be listed on the insurance policy ($17) but a written letter from the Parks Administrator goes a long way. You would be surprised how easy it is and and most local governments are thrilled to work with you

Cops ego and the 'unlawful order' problem is primary and center as a national controversy. Cops (like this one) deserve the contempt they create. No reasonable person ever said, "It makes no sense to me" why I can't deprive rights under color of law. The Court has avoided clarifying the right of an individual to disobey a police officer's unwarranted order ... "By basing decisions on narrower grounds; the Court has chosen not to come to grips with the fundamental issue of the rights and limitations of dis­obeying a police order." This is how everyday interactions are escalated by law enforcement who think they are licensed to act without restraint, "while the politically powerless are imprisoned with greater ease and in greater numbers than in any other country in the world."

Not sure Keith could not have handled that worse than he did. Cop was being extremely patient.

@ROImediaGuy

Жыл бұрын

Exactly... You can fight the rap, but you can't stop the ride. Always be respectful of law enforcement even if you run across a bad apple. Remember: by and large they're dealing day in, day out with criminals. Also, that one line in the FAA regs gives local authorities the right to manage drone access. This is unfortunate but people need to keep their heads to live to fight another day

@VicMossPhotography

Жыл бұрын

Yep! He gives drone owners a bad name with cops.

@SeanOzz

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Never fight a cop on the side of the road. You will always lose. Save it for court.

@ROImediaGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@VicMossPhotography absolutely... If every done owner acted like that it's no wonder we aren't getting hassled more. Be a good representative of the hobby/sport/profession.. Offer to help local police with searches if they need it.. they'll be much more likely to help you as well

@waynegoldpig2220

Жыл бұрын

Wow. Talk about being utter slaves...

I would not want to fly in a park with so many people around. Keith is full of.... you know what. 😂Nice one, Ken.👍

I love how the guy takes the cops word over his own buddy’s

😂the ending tho! Tip of my tongue!😂😂😂

Its frustrating when we continue to see our harmless fun rights continually being stripped away. I would understand if the city made that ruling because of a actual incident but sadly its probably due to someone walking there dog who disliked drones that complained to the authorities and had this rule implemented for not taking off or landing on the property. 😢 Nice job being the mediator Ken you handled it the best you could. I also respect Keith for standing his ground as well 👏

@shadowofchaos8932

Жыл бұрын

They get the idea from Home Owners Associations.

@rcrawford42

Жыл бұрын

Some pol doesn't want a drone seeing what he does in the bushes at the park.

@shadowofchaos8932

Жыл бұрын

@@rcrawford42 some crazy people expect privacy in public areas in full view of the public.

@invisibletosociety8338

Жыл бұрын

Because no one is beating the snot out of Karen.

@jasonv.9015

Жыл бұрын

No it’s probably because some idiot doesn’t know how to operate a flying machine and it goes into a side window or baby stroller and the blades massacre a baby or causes an accident making a driver run over a baby

The police not listening isn't fine... It's as obnoxious as when people don't listen to them.

@electraglider4631

Жыл бұрын

Obnoxious happens when people don't listen to the police who HAVE to follow the city ordinances.

@gxlbiscuit

Жыл бұрын

Police don’t rewrite laws and ordinances on the spot so arguing with them in the lot won’t change it….

@StandWatie1862

Жыл бұрын

​@@electraglider4631 Violating the 4th amendment is city ordinance? You don't belong in America bootlicker. You hate liberty and love government so leave. Plenty of places you can beat your record of sticking that knight stick up your puckering hole. Beat that high water mark.

@chrisscott7317

Жыл бұрын

Why listen to a cop who doesn't know the Law.

@Given119

Жыл бұрын

@@electraglider4631 the police have discretion. They don't "have" to follow the laws, and often don't. Idk about you, but my generation was taught that "obeying orders" isn't an excuse for wrong behavior. The police officer clearly didn't expect to be dealing with anyone who knows their laws, and rights, but someone who, like everyone else, simply obeyed. Know your laws. Know your rights. It's obnoxious to those who don't.

@Ken Heron So based on those laws, you cannot take off or land in the park but can you pilot in the park? So launch in one place and walk over and fly in the park while standing there?

Good on you Ken to take the higher ground and defuse the situation on your own. When two parties interpret the law differently that's when a judge decides who's wrong and right (if it goes to court). You're one swell dude Ken and I love your videos.

Had my first police interaction involving my Drone 2 weeks ago in Miami. Being about 4 hours from home, I just handed over my licenses and told him I got approval to fly in this area. Followed by a number of "yes sir"s and "I understand"s. A fairly amicable exchange and I was on my way. I could have went down to the beach and took off again but I figured since I already Drew their attention I would just keep a low profile.

No coincidence that Geeksvana aired an episode about inter-action with the Police this week. It's something that's going to happen - and it needs patience on both sides. Thank you, Ken for de-escalating the situation - rather 'naughty' exit...but very funny

Thank you for sharing!

@KenHeron

5 ай бұрын

Of course!

Mr. Ken you have out of this world epiphanic enlightenment. You have truly mastered the grey area in life and I love spectating it 😅 a perfect example of a prime diplomat 😊 you also perfecty calculate the words coming out of your mouth, especially when breaking down people's personalities without insulting them heheh so awesome.

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you. I feel you've helped me discover my own enlightenment. 🤓👍

Great job Ken and if you wouldn't have shown up I think his drone would have seen him flying away in the back of the cruiser!! So much easier to just do what they ask and keep your mouth shut ...

I'm with you Keith, I'm sick of these tyrants pushing the people around. But I do appreciate Ken de - escalating things, even though that should be the cops job, which he failed miserably.

@Astrodob

5 ай бұрын

And you are delusional, the cop tried to tell Keith they could take off and land outside the property and that they were fine flying over the park. The city or whoever made the regulation, not the cop. You just prove that frauditors don't know anything and just like to cause interaction for clicks and views.

This is absolutely why we have issues, cops not knowing their boundaries, or knowing the laws.

Thanks for sharing a REAL WORLD scenario 👌😎

Loved this interaction, Ken saves the day and thankfully didn’t make national news channels 😂

Educating a law officer on what you say the law is will never work. They are not trained to be convinced that their knowledge of the law is incorrect. “Tell it to the judge.”

@Shooter_FPV

Жыл бұрын

But unfortunately a lot of cops aren't familiar with drone laws, so it's like talking to a brick wall. I was flying a year or so ago, and a cop stopped to see what we were up to. Luckily he was a nice guy, and actually said to us that he wasn't sure what the drone laws were at the time. He actually hung around and asked us questions. We weren't confrontational, and neither was he, so we got lucky.

Keith should have ceased operations at his location and relocated outside the park, then he could fly over the park from another location. Keith was unnecessarily confrontational. He was a bad ambassador for the drone community.

audit the audit would love to see this!

This is one of the reasons why I rarely ever leave my home anymore. Because the average American has no rights whatsoever when in the public areas of the city town state county whatever. You have almost no rights whatsoever other than what the arbitrary rules allow you.

@JimmyJinIA

Жыл бұрын

I completely understand what you're saying, but I'll still risk it to go to Mindfield 4.0 Not to mention the possibility of winni g a wrongful arrest lawsuit...cha-ching$$$😂

@manharts

Жыл бұрын

Yo basspig, that's exactly how I feel. Maybe if you don't live too far from me, I'll tunnel underground over to your place and we can have a couple beers and plot our next move. Ha

@aerofart

Жыл бұрын

I feel (and do) the same way. Home is the only SAFE SPACE, at least for now.

@basspig

Жыл бұрын

@@aerofart at home, I feel morally justified to use deadly force against agents of tyranny, so I would have no problem using it. But in public, it's a grey area.

@basspig

Жыл бұрын

@@JimmyJinIA if the law is shot down in court, yes, you might have a payout. However, it is your fellow taxpayers that will be paying, not the person who arrested you wrongly.

Great video definitely got my hackles raised... Keith got aggro and was being the person "not listening and a tyrant" he was calling the cops. He clearly didn't handle that right. I get the sense the "Take off and Landing" clarity only came AFTER the officer talked with his supervisor on radio and wasn't specifically what Keith was arguing against, which was the legality of overflight.

My dad is a retired countysheriff's. I once asked him if it's possible to talk your way out of a ticket. HE said no. But you can sure talk yourself into one

Keith damn near got you thrown in the clink lol, not sure I would ever say this but be a KEN! lol

This is why Illinois has preemptive drone law. Only the state can regulate drone use. And they don't. They leave it to the FAA for the most part. Also, Keith and I probably shouldn't hang out. We'd probably end up in jail.

@Cruz474

Жыл бұрын

Chicago?? They don’t like drones in their parks.

@scottmccree4865

Жыл бұрын

@Cruz Yes, if they govern a population of 1 million or more, they can restrict drone use. That's one city in the state to my knowledge. 5.5 hours away from me (I'm 3 hours from Nashville Tn.) What happens in Chicago, can stay in Chicago.

Keith was 100% in the wrong with the way he handled it. I've seen people like him way too many times. The "I'm always right and I'll name call and speak over top of the person who is trying to tell me I'm wrong" type of person. Kudos to the cop and you, Ken, for being level headed and resolving it. Keith, you can stick your attitude and drone where the sun doesn't shine. You are the type of person who is making it harder for drone pilots everywhere

@Given119

Жыл бұрын

No... Just, no.

@kgrimm86

Жыл бұрын

@Given119 no what? You think his behavior was justified? I'm talking about Keith here, not Ken. Ken was great. He knew he was right and he also knew arguing with the cop, who was also right, was pointless and could have led to more problems. Also, Keith, acting like as asshole, is not good for the sport or business of drone flying. He has to learn to pick his battles wisely

@Given119

Жыл бұрын

@@kgrimm86 of course Keith was right. Which is why the police were so offended. People who are in authority and wrong are offended by people with little to no authority correcting them. Besides Keith was right, and so was the officer. The police could have deferred to the Feds authority here. THEY chose not to. Any American with a clue understands authority is simply to be obeyed. They need to be challenged. I guarantee you it was the police who escalated the situation when Keith didn't simply say, sorry, and leave

@kgrimm86

Жыл бұрын

@Given119 judging by Keith's actions even after the police left I would bet that HE was the one who escalated it, not the police. That's evidenced even more so by the fact that Ken was able to de-escalate the whole encounter by being calm and loud mouthed Keith even continued to ramp it up when Ken was telling him to calm down and just be quiet. If you can't see that then I'm guessing you are as bad as he is and continuing this conversation pointless

@Given119

Жыл бұрын

@@kgrimm86 I listen and watch. The police officers were ready to go hands on, because Keith rightly challenged their authority to remove him. If you can't see that, you're right, carry on.

Wise words about listening to the cops, and working it out later if you're in the right about the situation.

This must be one of those clown cops that says, "This isn't public property, it's city property." 😂

THIS is why I sold all my drones. Neighbors and cops and the general public have no respect for drone pilot rights.

@stst8301

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely,only if you live in the middle of nowhere you are safe to fly before someone comes knocking your door...

@fpvsmurf

Жыл бұрын

I fly in my house..my back yard...on roofs with 1s whoop...so much fun and no one can say iiiiissssshhhhh!

@aerofart

Жыл бұрын

@@fpvsmurf until they come after you with allegations of peeping drone. That will make you think.

@fpvsmurf

Жыл бұрын

@@aerofart 😖

In this case I have to side with the officer. Only because the guy flying the drone won't shut up long enough or listen.

Drones are the Jet skis of aviation. It's not the authority that I get tired of, it's the overreach. I'm a relatively new drone pilot (part 107). Most times, I try to park away from the subject I'm wanting to film. It makes me feel a little shady, but I have yet to be confronted. I'll keep this confrontation in mind should I run into Barny Fife. "Nip it!"

Was there ever any chance of Keith winning the argument with the police and them saying your right, go ahead and fly your drone. Good job Ken, cooler heads always prevail. Thanks for sharing.

@glenadams7706

5 ай бұрын

Notice Ken's capitulation didn't end in them saying he was right. These tyrants are not your friends and are no to be respected

Really good job, Ken. There’s a lot of discussion that needs to occur between the RC flying community and law enforcement. This video definitely provides a glimpse of what that conversation would look like and why there will never be a mutually beneficial agreement.

Whew close one Ken. Glad you were there to help smooth things out.👍😀💯. Sometimes you might run into a cop situation,so be kind and stay calm. Thank you so much and God bless

@KenHeron

Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

I was confused so I can land and take off in state parks but in National parks I can’t and have to fly in is that correct

You handled this very well...