COMPLETE GUIDE to Growing Hops at Home (And what you're DOING WRONG) | Hops & Gnarly Home Brewery

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If you want to grow hops successfully at home you have to know what hop plants want. Every plant has its own motivations and hops are certainly no exception. Growing healthy hop plants is not quite as simple as buying some rhizomes, sticking them in the ground, and building a big ol’ hop trellis. If you ask me, the most important thing to consider when growing hops is your watering schedule. Some people will tell you to water maybe once or twice a week and to water very deeply. But unfortunately that’s not gonna lead to the best results. If you want to grow hops, this video is for you.
00:38 - Roots vs Rhizomes
01:53 - Planting
03:03 - Fertilizing
04:19 - Watering
05:37 - Bull Shoots
08:10 - Trellising
09:09 - Harvesting
10:11 - Preserving
12:10 - Troubleshooting
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  • @peppe121
    @peppe12111 күн бұрын

    Dziękujemy.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    10 күн бұрын

    Thanks man 🙏🏼🍻

  • @Beerjunkieguy
    @Beerjunkieguy Жыл бұрын

    What I love about you and your videos the most is, you put in the work to learn first and then just kill it!!!! Your videos are always a joy to watch.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Ah man that’s super nice! Stoked you like them 🍻🍻

  • @cindy99toker
    @cindy99toker Жыл бұрын

    Probably the best video on at home hop growing on KZread.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks I appreciate that! Hope it helps everyone grow some donks 🤘🏼🍻

  • @lucidhoody4208
    @lucidhoody4208 Жыл бұрын

    Grew some hops from rhizomes, got a pretty decent harvest in around 6 months! Got Japanese Lager fermenting using them right now! This video gives me way more ideas for next year, thanks so much mate!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey, cheers! 🍻

  • @HopsANDgnarly
    @HopsANDgnarly Жыл бұрын

    Please excuse the typo at 10:11 🤦🏼‍♂️ Other than that, did I miss anything? I’d love to keep learning so hit me with your best tips and advice!

  • @shootingbrakeproductions8934

    @shootingbrakeproductions8934

    11 ай бұрын

    The only thing I'd suggest is not buying ladybugs since they are harvested from the wild. Instead, get green lacewing larvae to manage aphids. I'm looking forward to adding hops to may garden!

  • @TheBruSho
    @TheBruSho Жыл бұрын

    Nothing more devastating then when I went on vacation and my hops all died. Someday hope to try again and will follow your tips here!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh man I’m sorry for your loss!

  • @s6philly
    @s6philly Жыл бұрын

    I visited HPA Bushy Park in Tasmania a month ago, they mentioned that in the Southern hemisphere hop bines have to grow counter-clockwise around the trellis while in the Northern hemisphere they need to grow clockwise. Training the hop bine in the wrong direction will affect overall yield and durability. Great video Dan!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Mind blown 🤯 Makes a lot of sense but I didn’t know that! Cheers!

  • @godfreypoon5148

    @godfreypoon5148

    8 ай бұрын

    If they are to be used in lager, they should always be grown clockwise.

  • @user-vf4pu8qp9d

    @user-vf4pu8qp9d

    3 күн бұрын

    Was a hop grow. They do grow counter clock wise here. Victoria Australia 4 generation hop grower on my cousin's farm they had hop plants over 100 years old

  • @bubblehead3177
    @bubblehead31772 ай бұрын

    Great video and information! I'm thinking of growing some hops and this was very informative. Looking forward to brewing with my own hops!

  • @justjerk8526
    @justjerk8526 Жыл бұрын

    Best video on growing hops at home. Well done!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching 🍻

  • @martinsmith5761
    @martinsmith5761 Жыл бұрын

    Cheers Dan, i have grown hops before but you have certainly given me some food for thought

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Cheers!

  • @windy_city_beerman
    @windy_city_beerman10 күн бұрын

    Excellent thank you for a great video! 🍻

  • @adimoore1
    @adimoore14 ай бұрын

    Nice one Guys, this is awesome intel for me. I have 2 Centennial plants that I'll be planting tomorrow.

  • @NWsmallbatchBrewing
    @NWsmallbatchBrewing Жыл бұрын

    Great production as always.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Much appreciated! 🍻

  • @kdurham98
    @kdurham98 Жыл бұрын

    Great video, this is probably the best I’ve seen in explaining the timing and procedure for trimming bull shoots. I’m going in to year 2 growing four varieties I planted as rhizomes last spring. Actually harvested enough cones in year 1 to give to my Homebrewing friend to throw in a basic pale ale (combo of Triumph and Vista). I’ve got 5 more crowns on order, should arrive this month. One preventative that I’ve taken against the humid summers in Missouri and the accompanying mildew pressure is a weekly treatment of Neem Oil. Took up Homebrewing myself this year, so really looking forward to my own wet-hop brew this fall! Cheers!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey, cheers! That’s a great tip 🍻

  • @simont.4176
    @simont.4176 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video! Here in Quebec , my hops are just starting to emerge from the soil, it's still pretty cold in april

  • @CAGreve1231
    @CAGreve12313 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much for the tips about trimming the rhizomes! i was worried about digging it up and trimming too much.

  • @AlbeeSoaring
    @AlbeeSoaring Жыл бұрын

    Wow this has been a ton of information. I was thinking about growing this year but was concerned about not being ready to use fresh hops. I seen so many videos of people showing to dry them and after watching your video I wont be doing that. Thanks for the great video.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching! Cheers 🍻

  • @dudestewbrews
    @dudestewbrews Жыл бұрын

    Great video. Just planted some more rhizomes in the garden this year. Definitely going to take some of these recommendations and apply them.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Cheers to a good harvest! 🍻

  • @curtpick628
    @curtpick628 Жыл бұрын

    Well done Dan!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Cheers Curt!

  • @diegorobertogalarani
    @diegorobertogalarani Жыл бұрын

    the best video! I will definitely use these tips and techniques here in Brazil. greetings!!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Stoked you liked it! Cheers!

  • @juliebauman3998
    @juliebauman39989 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this. My son works on a small commercial farm. Now I understand what he does a bit better.

  • @mattlewis2028
    @mattlewis2028 Жыл бұрын

    Great video … this is my 7th season for my backyard hops 💯agree on having a water system over all else

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! It almost feels like cheating! 🍻

  • @user-ce1qy6uf2d
    @user-ce1qy6uf2d8 ай бұрын

    Good video! Thanks!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    8 ай бұрын

    You bet!

  • @ElementaryBrewingCo
    @ElementaryBrewingCo Жыл бұрын

    Great info! I’ve got a 3 year old hop plant and I’m looking for it to have a good production year this year!!! Cheers 🍻

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Cheers to that! 🍻

  • @thatwasinteresting3319
    @thatwasinteresting33192 ай бұрын

    Good video. I wish you went into how to use the fresh hopes in brewing your beer.

  • @emmetleahy
    @emmetleahy Жыл бұрын

    really hoping I get a good harvest this season- this is their 3rd year in the ground. If they don't produce well this season they are going to have to move to a different part of the yard that gets more sun.

  • @thekris4378
    @thekris43789 ай бұрын

    Great information. Unfortunately, like a lot of people I live in an apartment, so I guess it’s gonna have to be T-90 pellets until I get a place with land.

  • @lorenzofarfarelli1127
    @lorenzofarfarelli1127 Жыл бұрын

    As always nice content. Here in Italy we also use hop sprouts steel green and soft to make beautifull omelette......😁🤤

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Yumm that sounds great

  • @gilleswalther5964
    @gilleswalther59646 ай бұрын

    Great videol thank you! Should I follow the same approach for growing an indoor hop plant? Trimming everything around April the first year?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    6 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed! I’ve never tried indoor but I like that idea. And if you’re in the northern hemisphere then yep trim it in mid April

  • @falexandrou
    @falexandrou9 ай бұрын

    That's an awesome video! Any resources on how bubble hash and live rosin are made? Thnx

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    9 ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching! Check out this one if you haven't yet 👉🏼 kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4WHz8OkZK6acpc.html

  • @freerangeraptor3858
    @freerangeraptor3858 Жыл бұрын

    Great video very informative!!! Any suggestions as to how long should be watering for morning/ night and approximate amount of water needed ?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it! Hard to be exact here because it depends on flow and how big your plants are but a good way to test is to water all around the plant until you think it’s saturated and then dig into the dirt to double check. Should be lightly saturated into the first 4-6 inches. With my drip lines we do 30 minutes but the flow is pretty slow. By hand from the hose it’s hard to go that slow so I’d try 30 second increments on each plant for a total of maybe 2-3 min each so it doesn’t pool up on the surface too much

  • @patchdurant2562
    @patchdurant2562 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for a great video. My cascade hop plant is just starting its third year in the UK. It’s nearly time to cut the bull shoots but I’ve never done it before and I’m worried the plant will die!

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Go for it! You could probably keep one or two of the shortest/newest bines if you want to go half way

  • @jhonatassantosvaz7823
    @jhonatassantosvaz78236 ай бұрын

    Excellent content. great explanation. I have a seedling with 4 branches, 3 branches broke the tip and bumps are coming out, should I cut them and leave only 1 without branches?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you! If you’re ok with not very many hops this year you could cut at least two of them and let the plant focus on its root system this year. It will more than likely push more bines out

  • @normodegard183
    @normodegard183 Жыл бұрын

    Right.

  • @marekworks
    @marekworks8 ай бұрын

    I’m confused on when you are supposed to trim your hop plants. The summer solstice was mentioned, but in the middle of June seems late to me.

  • @AngelaKaringLMT
    @AngelaKaringLMT8 ай бұрын

    Im growing them to make medicinal tinctures. Do I dry them first to avoid mold like usual procedures call for or tincture fresh? Thanks! Angela

  • @RJVEK
    @RJVEK7 ай бұрын

    Wow! Thanks- I live in East Kent in the UK and so the home of EKG- I was gifted a hop plant and it’s performed well in the second season. I didn’t know about cutting the bill shoots but will do that next April. Is there anyway I can tell if the variety of hop I was given or should I just let it be a mystery to me? I’m planning on a green hop beer next Sept and it may be good to know the variety as it would be a SMASH with Maris Otter. Or should I just call it a mystery beer?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    7 ай бұрын

    It's kinda fun to not know exactly what it is. Call it your down the end estate hop 🍻

  • @friedoompa-loompa2876
    @friedoompa-loompa2876 Жыл бұрын

    Remember, you can also use the early bines cuttings to propagate your plants. Bc, let’s be honest, you never have too much hops

  • @jeremyjenkins3862
    @jeremyjenkins38629 ай бұрын

    Thanks for your video. Ive been growing hops for a few years now in the UK and making some of the mistakes you have highlighted. But I wanted to query your advice about freezing them green as opposed to air drying (which I have been doing). Clearly when you buy commercial hops they have been dried and retained their potent aroma, so what are commercial growers able to do differently that home growers cannot? What I have been doing is comparable with the traditional oast house drying method.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    9 ай бұрын

    It's true that's the way the commercial market is for several reasons and you can do the same at home. But brewers GEEK OUT for fresh hops when the season comes and there's a reason for that. Fresh hops, or sometimes they call them wet hops, just have a ton more flavor and aroma. Yakima Chief experimented with selling fresh frozen hops to breweries a couple years ago and you can find the data sheet online still if you Google. I think they stopped doing it because it was too expensive to make sure they stayed frozen during shipping. The best thing you can do is use them ASAP after picking and when the schedule doesn't quite work out I freeze them for later use. Cheers!

  • @lamehunter
    @lamehunterАй бұрын

    If you freeze wet hops is there a chance for it to get mold?

  • @Skubidi-qy8hb
    @Skubidi-qy8hb10 ай бұрын

    What are the climate requirements?

  • @brandonmonroe7050
    @brandonmonroe7050Ай бұрын

    I live in Texas its already basically triple digits. Can I still plant rhizomes in that kind of heat?

  • @ethan_lord
    @ethan_lord Жыл бұрын

    My rhizomes arrived in the mail too late in the summer to trim the bill shoots at the correct time. Should I just let them grow out completely the first year and then trim them all back at the correct time next year? Or should I trim the bill shoots this year despite it being too late?

  • @saxonlights2872
    @saxonlights2872 Жыл бұрын

    Good video, thanks. Question, I never pruned my bull chutes on my 3 year plant. It’s about 15’ with 2 groups of bines about 3-4 bines each. Will this cause me an issue?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    It’ll be fine but try it next year and I think you’ll see an even bigger harvest

  • @familybjornestrand4548
    @familybjornestrand4548 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Dan! Nice video as always. I've been growing hops for a few years now but last year something happened that really put me off. After picking the hops I left them out on the kitchen table overnight. I had planed to brew a wet hop beer the next day. But, when I came back to them the next morning they were crawling in what I guess were aphids. Tiny little green bugs. They must have been chilling in the cones and then came out when they thought the coast was clear. There were so many all I could do was throw the hops in the trash, and try and clean them out of the kitchen. Maybe there was something I could have done? I dont know, but it put me off using the hops. Have you got any tips for this year? I grow my hops at my summer house so I'm not there daily to take care of them, I mainly just let the plant take care of its self.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey, nice to see your name! I’ve had that exact thing happen to me but I was air drying in the garage. Crazy amount of those little green devils, right? I remember thinking at first that they were powdery only to figure out they were tiny bugs. They actual secrete something called honeydew that basically ruins the crop so your instincts were correct. I think it’s all about conditions and timing. They overwinter in fruit trees and I happen to have a young peach tree right by my hops. There are a lot of thing you can spray to manage them and I think lady bugs are at least worth a shot.

  • @familybjornestrand4548

    @familybjornestrand4548

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Thanks for the quick reply! We also have fruit trees, apples and cherries so your instincts could be right. Ill give ladybirds a try, cant promise ill buy any but I got some keen little gardeners who will be more than willing to collect them and put them on daddys hops. Keep up the good work Dan, and remember that rest is equally as important as work.

  • @qik3300
    @qik33002 ай бұрын

    Recommend some rhizome sellers?

  • @carlkessler303
    @carlkessler3032 ай бұрын

    I followed the rules. I plucked all the bull shoots. And now all the new ones coming up are purple and look like bull shoots again. Do I tear it back down again?

  • @liesbennoui7923
    @liesbennoui79238 ай бұрын

    🤔Strasbourg ✋

  • @moebro1550
    @moebro1550 Жыл бұрын

    nice video but I have one question, did you hops get moldy freezing them wet? I've been growing hops for 7yrs and this is the first time I've herd of freezing hops wet.. thanks Mark..

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    No, think of all the things you freeze that are wet! You can plop the whole frozen block right into the kettle and within just a couple minutes they look just the same as anything else. Works best when they’re frozen in a thin layer but any way will work

  • @theeuda
    @theeudaАй бұрын

    My new Mexico native died after the 3rd year. Monsters for 3 years then nada year 4. 8-(

  • Жыл бұрын

    I read a few books on hops growing watched a bunch of videos and then started... The first year of my hops was bad. Only 2 out of 3 rhizomes sprouted and only got a few cones, only enough for 1l of hop tea. The second year of my hops growing was the best, I added 3 new types of rhizomes, did not cut shoots, and watered them every day, the harvest was good, I brewed one fresh hop beer and dried the rest with low-temperature herb dryer and that beer was even better than with wet hops. I dried it after visiting a commercial hop drying facility and used the same temperatures as them. In the third year, I cut shoots and got only a few cones. This year there are no shoots, so I do not think that rhizomes survived.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Sorry to hear that! Here’s hoping they pop back up in the next couple weeks

  • Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Shoots are out =)

  • @FoghornGreenhorn
    @FoghornGreenhorn Жыл бұрын

    By "facing north", do you mean don't put them on the southern edge of an opening? This statement is rather confusing.... On any plants that produce fruits its best to cut back on nitrogen, before flowering. I'm a newb to hops, just planted my first rhizomes in 2022. I got some hops the first season but production was very weak. I didn't anticipate getting any hops at all, was actually impressed. Bubble hash and live rosin? Do you have a good nail for hops wax? wow! I didn't have a clue as to hops extraction! Thanks for this video! I'm tripping on ideas. Live Rosin.... Never likes live rosin from cannabis though. It leaves a burned flavor, that might be an interesting twist for certain brews. There are better ways to extract though and yeah, my head is spinning now. Thinking out a new plan for my 15 acres of vacant land.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Ideas are flowing - that’s awesome! By north facing I mean don’t put them on the north side of a barn or house. Southern exposure is best otherwise east or west is ok. I have a whole video about making hash from hops and then making beer from that hash called Is This The Future of IPA 👈🏼🍻

  • @FoghornGreenhorn

    @FoghornGreenhorn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly thanks for the response.

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    @liesbennoui79238 ай бұрын

    💄Strasbourg 👍

  • @codyhvac6067
    @codyhvac6067 Жыл бұрын

    Video on pickled bines?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    Coming soon!

  • @pdfbrander
    @pdfbrander10 ай бұрын

    Are hops really good to eat? They are quite estrogenic apparently.

  • @charlespartak2435
    @charlespartak24354 ай бұрын

    What state and zone are you in. Im in north Alabama, formerly 7b, currently 8a I have been growing hops for the past 5 yrs and i need to dig n divide as the past 2 yrs harvests have been a major decline...

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    4 ай бұрын

    5b but not sure what your question is referring to. I trim my rhizomes every year

  • @RecipeswithBen
    @RecipeswithBen Жыл бұрын

    Never heard of pickled hop bines, what do they taste like and what do you put them on?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    They taste like whatever brine that you use and the texture reminds me of bean sprouts. I like them on a charcuterie board in place of regular pickles or giardiniera. You can also eat the softer tips fresh in a salad. Full video coming soon 🤘🏼

  • @RecipeswithBen

    @RecipeswithBen

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Could you bring it full circle and use them like spruce tips to add to a beer?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RecipeswithBen that’s a cool idea but they don’t really taste like hops because there isn’t any lupulin or oils. Very salad like on their own

  • @RecipeswithBen

    @RecipeswithBen

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Far enough I have idea point of reference for what the taste like so I was just curious. It is super awesome you found a second use for them.

  • @Undefined9
    @Undefined911 ай бұрын

    I'm growing a potted cascade hop plant and it has been doing super well for the past two months, but now 20% of the leaves are slowly starting to turn yellow and crunchy. I added some Miracle Gro to it and stopped watering it lightly two times a day as the soil about 3 - 4" deep feels cool and damp. Am I doing something wrong or missing a nutrient?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    10 ай бұрын

    Are the yellow leaves close to the bottom of the bines? Hops do this later in the season and it’s a sign they’re focusing energy on the hop cones. Nothing to be concerned about. I would closely monitor the soil and the cones until it’s harvest time

  • @Undefined9

    @Undefined9

    10 ай бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Actually yes, they started at the bottom and slowly working their way up the bines with the upper parts green and healthy. I had to trim those crusty leaves off. You're saying to continue doing what I'm doing?

  • @Skubidi-qy8hb
    @Skubidi-qy8hb10 ай бұрын

    I didn’t understand by not planting hops in north facing? Like what do you mean?

  • @feefifofum6383

    @feefifofum6383

    9 ай бұрын

    They wouldn’t get enough Sun. Assuming you’re in the northern hemisphere.

  • @dralois
    @dralois Жыл бұрын

    I always assumed that freezing fresh hops makes them unusable. Have you used fresh frozen hops in a brew yet and can provide some insight how they work / what to expect?

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s almost the same as using them fresh! Add them right to the kettle while frozen and I really don’t think you’d be able to tell the difference. Yakima chief sold fresh frozen hops a couple years ago but the industry isn’t built with that in mind. Harder to freeze, store, and ship than drying. But that’s exactly why I think home growers shouldn’t dry their hops. At that rate why even grow them? I’m curious, why’d you think freezing would make them unusable?

  • @dralois

    @dralois

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Nice, I’ll definitely give it a try next time I harvest. The reason given that I often saw online is the hops turning to mush as they slowly freeze. Cell walls rupturing due to slower growing, bigger ice crystals is supposed to lead to an overly vegetal flavor and aroma. I did see the Yakima fresh frozen hops, but I think they claim it’s flash frozen after harvest.

  • @HopsANDgnarly

    @HopsANDgnarly

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dralois Totally makes sense. Can confirm they don't turn to mush but I'm sure on the microscopic level there is cell wall degradation. If you haven't already, check out this video where I turn fresh frozen hops into concentrates: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4WHz8OkZK6acpc.html. As we washed the hops I think there are some clips where you can see the wet cones that are still in tact. I'd love to hear how it goes for you!

  • @dralois

    @dralois

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HopsANDgnarly Perfect, then I’m gonna give this a shot with this year’s harvest, I’ll let you know how it goes (provided I remember to 😅). Thanks for the information and keep up the great work!

  • @dralois

    @dralois

    Ай бұрын

    So I finally got around to brew with my fresh frozen hops from last year and it definitely works pretty great. I lost more to the kettle than usual due to the hops absorbing quite a bit, and my plate chiller got gunked up a bit, but it definitely does not taste vegetal or grassy at all. I’m definitely going to keep doing it this way, so much easier!

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