The differences in the markings and other differences FN had no choice. FN does not own the technical data package (TDP) so the missing markings and other incorrect items are not there because FN cannot put them there. The other thing of note is your issued rifle was built in Columbia SC. The collectors gun you purchased was built in Fredericksburg VA. They cannot build civilian guns in the same facility as their military guns. What you purchased is as close to a perfect clone correct rifle as the law allows. Semper fi 5811 USMC(RET)

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct, The M16/M4 Military collectors edition were produced in Fredericksburg, VA. for a time. However, The Military Collector’s Edition I have is a later model, built in Columbia, SC. You are 100% correct about the TDP though. I forgot to mention as well that the Military Collector M16 has an upper with M4 feed ramps. Which is not needed or clone correct, but she does run flawlessly in any environment so far. 🍻 Rah! 5711 USMC

@bouttobreak12

2 жыл бұрын

Errah, 31 vet med.ret Very satisfied for 6 years with my FN a4 copy. Instead of marrying high school sweetheart or buying car, sent money to dad right after boot camp to order me one FN A4

Well… made me want one even more! Good information on the video! Thanks!

I have the FN m-16 collectors edition and I use it for pretty much all the time when I deer hunt. Now I ordered just the 20" barrel from Primary Arms and it has the same markings as your NOS upper receiver. I used it on my ZEV upper receiver and the free float centurion arm's handguard. I have the Primary Arms 1-8 lpvo, SOLGW neutral KNOX flash hider and I use it with my suppressor. With my hand loaded 5.56 77gr OTM's half moa at a hundred yds all day. I'm retired ARMY with multiple deployments to buttcrackastan and my 20" primary went with me every time. NSDQ!!!

I have the Marine surplus one with the ACOG ACSS and it shoots green tip 62gr awesome out to 600yds. Much cheaper than the complete FN model. Great video, helped me look at all the things you pointed out about the surplus upper. Thanks.

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear! Thanks for watching!

@TheHcmedic

Жыл бұрын

Where can I get a USMC surplus one?

@isaactrujillo76

7 ай бұрын

@@TheHcmedicwould be nice to get this answered

There was a post a while back discussing the topic of F stamped FNs and if they meant they’re military contract models. The conclusion is that it may not be and some commercial ones seem to have F stamps randomly. I actually got a FN 20 inch upper and bought the kac rails and it has a F stamped bolt carrier with the fn logo barrel but it’s under the hand guard gas tube.

Do you know where to get the KAC M4 RAS ? It seems that it is sold out everywhere and i dont know why

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t at the moment, your best bet it probably gun broker 🤷🏻‍♂️

Which shoots a tighter group?

Nice work on the A4 video!

Have any experience with aero precision? Or what's some budget builds you can recommend

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I have a lot of experience with aero precision, love their stuff! My current fighting rifle uses an Aero precision Upper Receiver

Thank you so much for making this vodeo

@lcplcalifornia89

5 ай бұрын

Of course! Hopefully i find time to make more videos in the future, haven’t put out any content in a while

Do you know if the Ohio Ord USMC FN M16A4 NOS is still available anywhere, or if they ever will be again? I have been looking at getting an M16A4 clone because I enjoy the functionality of the 20 inch rifles and remember this rifle just always doing what I needed it to do when it was issued to me. It needs to be functionally correct, but I am not worried as much about markings and slight cosmetic differences. The FN rifle would probably be fine for me, but is so expensive. If the USMC FN M16A4 NOS was still available for a lot less, I would definitely go that route.

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

There are some NOS uppers on gun broker, they are around $1200 as of 5/5/22

Nice job Nick. You are true professional.

I have the rock river A4 clone, and bought a surplus kac rail. The rail won't fit. Something to do with the barrel being a heavy barrel I guess?

Thanks for the video. What would be your M4 clone? Colt SOCOM?

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I was referring to my urg-i.. it’s 14.5 “block iii”… I also have a mk18 clone that I shoot a lot too now

Where did you get the military surplus M16A4?

@SpicyCactus

4 ай бұрын

Probably gun broker or charlies custom clones.

How did yall get surplus M16A4's? Was this before I joined? (2016)

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

They were available through Ohio Ordnance, but now you should be able to find them on GunBroker 👊🏼

So The mous sent me over 👍🍻 and love the review

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

🙌🏼🍻

Recently got myself the FN M16A4 Military Collectors. How does it like steel ammo?

@lcplcalifornia89

Жыл бұрын

It’s been very reliable with all types of ammo, including steel case. Generally steel cased 5.55/223 is lower pressure so just make sure you have your rifle properly lubricated and everything should cycle just fine.

Do you think the collector matches the USMC FN in terms of performance? Like if a marine took it on deployment would it be worse than a standard issue rifle?

@lcplcalifornia89

Жыл бұрын

Yes, 100% I would take either into a fight

Great video killer 👌🏼

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👊🏼

Damn wish I would have seen this video prior to getting my FN. Just got it yesterday and already kinda regret it. They shouldn't bill the gun as a pretty much exact copy when it indeed is not. Also aren't the surplus barrels CMV vs. the 4140 that the military collector came with? Thanks for the video man. Started with a M249 on my first deployment to AFG then became a team leader and finally got my A4 with 203 that was so highly coveted. Wish the FN was a little closer in detail to that gun.

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

So, I actually called FN to confirm the barrel material, because the instruction manual said 4140, they said it was a typo and they actually come with cmv4150, who know if they were trying to cover their ass.. Either way, don't regret it too much, I actually shoot my collectors edition and it's great, more accurate than my a4 was in the Corps. Thanks for your service brother, and thanks for watching!

If you wanted the correct markings you have to get the Colt.

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

Negative, my M16A4 in the Marines was an FN.

@drodeazy9275

Жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 uncle Sam issues both colt and fn my m4a1 was a colt

@lcplcalifornia89

Жыл бұрын

@@drodeazy9275 correct. I was just commenting on how it doesn’t have to be a Colt to be correct as Mine was an FN, but many other Marines were issued Colts as im sure you know

@clintonkeller5115

Жыл бұрын

I have a Colt M4A1 & I'm bugged it doesn't have AUTO on the side like the FN does. That's a big deal for "correct markings"!

@lcplcalifornia89

Жыл бұрын

@@clintonkeller5115 yeah that was a big deal to me too.. i guess we both got the tism

Great video! Making me want m16a4 even more. Where'd you find the usmc one? Looking for more affordable option to military collectors edition

@redbeard3666

3 жыл бұрын

If not probably will settle for aero precision 16 inch with mid length and modify and accessorize it myself.

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

You can check on gun broker for FN M16A4 Upper NOS.. They should be on there for like around 700

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

As of 1/3/21 there is one currently listed that is going for 750, another for 900 and another for 1k with the grip pod which is clone correct for the USMC

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

@@redbeard3666 if you go with the aero, you'll be very happy.. Mid lengths are sweet.

i was an 0311 and carried the A2. i picked up the FN A4 and M4 at the same time. did you have the MATECH ight or the knights armament sight BUIS sight? Semper Fi and good video!

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

In boot camp i had the A2 , in Soi i had an A4 w/Grip-Pod and RCO, in the fleet i had an A4 w/ a m203 and no forward grip.. both had ACOG RCOs and IF my memory serves me correct, i was NOT issued a backup sight on EITHER.. I had a flip up leaf sight for the m203 behind my front sight block. Both ran those old black 3 point slings and my a4 w/m203 had a mag pouch attached to the a2 stock..i remember some guys had the acog RCO mounts that had the bolts on the left and some on the right.. Apparently the ones that were on the left side and out of the way of the ejection port were superior and caused less malfunctions.. But now i see they all went to dual locking throw levers which is superior.. Our mount screws would always come loose on our ACOGs and guys would always be tightening them down.. Thats probably why they were changed.

@brucekopping1287

3 жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 thanks! when i bought the two FNs at the same time, i bought the two ACOGs that were represented which are the TA31RCOM4 and the TA31RCO A4

Edit: The FN M16A4 NOS Upper Receiver does NOT have 'M4 Feed-Ramps' which ARE PRESENT on the FN Military Collectors Edition Upper Receiver. In the video I say “1.74” and 1.70”” when I took measurements of the barrel profiles when I actually meant .74” and .70” 👍🏼

That's a first for me, the FN Herstal FN15 Military Collector M16's (complete rifle) I've seen all have the barrel with the cage code, and no FN logo. The FN15 Military Collector M16 upper you bought must have been an old stock from the pre-production models that were produced in Fredericksburg, Virginia. The later production models are now made in Columbia, South Carolina where the military weapons are produced.

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

Negative, this FN is a later model built in Columbia, South Carolina. Built in 2019. The Older models had a different lower, but the same upper. The lowers still had the FN 'Football' logo, marked "FN15 Rifle Cal. 5.56x45mm Nato" on the mag well, and marked "FNH Fredericksburg, Virginia"- no cage code- above the fire control group on the left side. The Uppers remain the same. Although, I have seen some older models with the Matech sights that had the civilian logo on the side. The "new" models have the football logo but are marked "M16 Rifle 5.56 NATO" and marked on the side, "FN Columbia, SC MFG CODE 3S67" with the same upper, as I'm sure you already know. When I bought my first M16A4 military collectors, I was disappointed to learn that they were marked differently, so I dove in and did my research, and ive never seen an FN15 Military Collectors M16 with a Cage Code/F Marked Upper or Cage Code Barrel.. Also the instruction manual that they come with says the Military Collectors comes with a 4140 steel Barrel, when the Real Issued M16s come with a 4150 steel barrel. That REALLY bothered me, (I know the metal isn't that different) but still. So I called FN and they confirmed with me that it does in fact use a 4150 barrel and that's a typo 🤷🏻‍♂️ who knows the actual truth? Even with these changes, FN cannot actually mark the guns the same way as the military issued rifles because of TDP. Thats why they are marked the way they are. Either way, my FN15 Military Collectors M16 is slightly more accurate than the NOS cage code upper 🤷🏻‍♂️ so I'm not going to complain over marking any more.. I shoot my military collectors way more than the NOS! I actually put a2 grips on my collectors so I could use it alot and keep the KAC M5 rail nice. Lol Cheers 🍻

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

I actually have a video titled "M16A4 SNOW" where I have the A2 handguards installed 🍻

I bought 2 m16a4 uppers from Ohio Ordinance. They are marked correctly for military use. I got lucky and bought 2 stripped FN football lowers from a gun dealer. Bought the FN stock and a couple F marked bolt carriers from Shark, my triggers and parts kits are Colt, these rifles are more correct than the collectors series.

What one was melletry black or gray..?

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

The FN NOS military surplus BCG is lighter in color than the fn military collectors commercial bcg

@tacratt6091

Жыл бұрын

Same with Colt bcg’s

Where were you able to find the surplus one from?

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

I bought mine through Ohio Ordnance Works, but I don’t believe they have anymore. I would check gun broker from time to time and search for “NOS FN M16A4 Upper”

@stanmouy2351

2 жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 Don't see any on their site. But thanks for the info.

@tacratt6091

Жыл бұрын

I bought one from them, there was probably close to 500 available on their site, when I received it I loved it and immediately ordered another one. They were down to under 25, I called them and made sure I could get another one. They told me they had me one in hand. They also said when those were gone they would probably never have any more!

@isaactrujillo76

7 ай бұрын

@@tacratt6091way to hoard lmao

Great video. Kicking myself since stags were like 600-700 not that long ago and now they’re around 1000 and windhams are over 1000. Not sure if the fn collector is worth it but the price hasn’t changed as much that I know of everything just out of stock and still cased ammo is 750.00 per 1000 😆🤢

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I'm really impressed with the quality of the FN Military collectors, they are priced a bit high, but it's a quality rifle that will be worth way more in the future!

@seanmtak7573

3 жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 thanks for your input! it’s a beauty.

Love my FN M16 MC, super accurate: IMI 55gr M193 shoots 2 inches @100 yards 10 shot groups, 5 shot group is just under a inch.

The bird was circling because they saw some guy with AR15s in his back yard hahah

@lcplcalifornia89

2 жыл бұрын

Lol right?

hello brother, watching all the way from pakistan, and thinking to buy one, as we get the militry ones there, however there are some fraudlent clones made by locals, it was really hard for me to differntiate as they are really good with cloning with cnc machines, thanks for this video really helped me out, furthermore i wanted to request you to make a detailed video on FN militry m16a4 marking in lower reciever and other markings with are used to id an authentic FN m16a4, concluding this message thanks for such amazing detailed video on fn m16a4 upper, have a good life.

Barrel diameter at the muzzle end is not "1.70" and "1.74" It is 0.74" and 0.70" Thanks for the video.

Is one barrel longer than the other? 18” and 20” ? Was that stated in the video?

So which one is better? Please someone reply? Which one is more famous?

@11binfantryfollowmeus.army95

Жыл бұрын

Famous??

@DanishAfridi551

Жыл бұрын

@11B Infantry “Follow me” US. Army-96-14 i mean. Which Us Army uses? Which is given to us army or USMC. And what military collector means?

@DanishAfridi551

Жыл бұрын

@11B Infantry “Follow me” US. Army-96-14 you can watch my video i have uploaded it. I got that M16 in Afghanistan which US forces left behind. Can you tell me that is it original Army version? Or what is that? And it has double sided safety lock? Why is that? I have seen m16a4 with marines they have single sided safety lock.

Wtf’s an “FN” ? Where’s my Colt ?

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

Fabrique Nationale.. They own FN USA who manufacturers weapons for the US Military. I have some parts that are Colt in some of my AR's, but in my opinion FN > Colt. FN stepped up to the plate when Colt couldn't meet the production contracts, so under Colts TDP, FN manufacturers m16s and m4s for the US Military. In my experience, the FN's are nicer. Doesn't mean Colts are bad, I just prefer FN. 🍻

@paddymcgill3974

3 жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 whatevs You are not a real Marine until you qual at 500 yards with a Colt that was built circa 1965 and was used in Vietnam by GYSGT Hartman.

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

@@paddymcgill3974 you haven't seen that video? MGunz gives me his ACTUAL m16a1 and I Qual with it at 700.. The results? Expert.

@paddymcgill3974

3 жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 POG status. In my day we qualed at `1000 yards in the snow walking up mount mofo both ways . lol jk nice channel devil

Great video. If only I could find any in stock :(

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

Check gun broker 👍🏼

@protoman1214

3 жыл бұрын

@@lcplcalifornia89 Considering just the rails are going for 300-400 on the few sites that had it in stock, 850 is a pretty good deal. I think I'll actually pull the trigger. Just realized 89 is prob your birth year. Thanks! - from a fellow devil dog who's the same age, lol

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

@@protoman1214 dude, yeah, you won't regret it.. It's the real deal!

@lcplcalifornia89

3 жыл бұрын

@@protoman1214 89 was a great year! 😅

Tit for tat. I’m sure inspecting armories you’d find the slight differences about. Slight differences aside is it an A4 made,manufactured and tested by FN? If it’s not that sucks. Second, would you feel like you were handed an inferior rifle w the Collectors Edition A4?

What the F is a ghetto bird… are we being culturally insensitive.

@marcuslaker5876

Жыл бұрын

Are you being a woke snowflake? You show your age or ignorance. Growing up in LA in the late 80’s and early 90’s it became a common occurrence…still is today. Everyone called it the ghetto bird from lyrics of various local rappers.