What is your choice - gas or diesel?

@brandonovitt8999

5 жыл бұрын

3.73 and 3.42 gears are so they can get the best fuel economy numbers. They went with the 3.42 on the diesel because they have the 10 speed transmission.

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

Which begs the question - why not give the gas engine an eight or ten speed transmission like Ram or Ford?

@TheDaltonmichaels

5 жыл бұрын

@@4WDMagazine it was suggested because it's an all new engine that they wanted to see how it holds up on it's own with a proven transmission behind it before throwing a 10speed at it.

@goldman9763

5 жыл бұрын

You are the one take test drive so what's you think is better?

@SlimPeas23

5 жыл бұрын

Diesel

Traversing the rockie mountains with an exhaust brake and a turbo is awesome. Did it for years in a gas. Diesel is a dream.

Thank you Perry for recording an honest opinion when test driving the gas truck. Too many times these videos become a paid commercial for manufacturers. Keep up the great work!! I can't see me buying one of the new gas engines (Ford 7.3 or GM 6.6) instead of either diesel. I would miss a diesel engine I think after watching that gas truck take off! Cheers!

@nhlcfl7733

2 жыл бұрын

I too appreciate Perry’s personal and honest perspective about the diesel over a gas. The torque of a diesel over a gas engine is immense nowadays and not entirely fair to compare. Feel free to read my comment on why I like my 6.6L gas engine; I like that the 6L90 transmission (same used in Camaro ZL1) has beefed up components from the diesel tranny and is one of their most reliable trannies ever. I also like the growl of the 6.6L as it almost sounds like one of my brothers late 60’s or early 70’s muscle cars. All in all, I’ve been pulling our Toy Hauler and it’s satisfying enough and knowing that I have as much torque and hp as some diesels of only +15 years ago and I saved $10K at the front end and less maintenance for life.

Real review thank you

DEBOSS!!!!! How awesome!!!!

The answer is fuel economy. The gaser should have a 4.10 option though. Pretty amazing that the diesel gets it done with 3.42 gearing

@toofastnobrakes

4 жыл бұрын

Stuff I Like that and more gears. An 8 or 10 speed

@bennyboyellis

2 жыл бұрын

the fuel savings of a diesel would take 60 years of summer camper towing to pay for the 10k difference in price

@gregl5677

Жыл бұрын

@@bennyboyellis yeah that is true but you make it up in resale value also. A gas truck you might as well keep for that long. Where as a diesel if wanting to trade in or sell private will retain a lot more in that area for a new one in 5-10 years. So it comes down to that also. What really costs diesels is the maintenance. Fuel mileage and extra power at cost is pretty much irrelevant. All that evens out between the 2 on the extra 10k. But the maintenance and repair on a diesel. Will blow 10k without even carrying. That is what the decision should come down to if both are capable of the load you are hauling. Diesels being worked make sense they will last longer and resell better and they will make money and cover repairs and maintenance. Whereas gas in that area wont last as long. Only reason to get a diesel truck for personal use would be a gas truck simply cant pull the load. There is no pros to justify the cost if no r.o.i. is being seaked when purchasing a truck.

Tow with the 2015 2500HD 6.0 gas works just fine towing a 10,000lbs 5th wheel, yes having more torque & HP is nice but it comes at a price I’m not willing to pay, 10-12k more, more at the pump $$, more emissions crap, and having to purchase DEF fluid, all to which I say no thank you too.

@NYangryguy

4 жыл бұрын

Right there with ya. 2018 6.0 gets the job done nice. All that emissions stuff is a boner deflator for sure. Def fluid costs as much as diesel per gallon no thanks. Another system to fail and trip the CEL. Once my 6.0 is wore out I will gladly take a 6.6 gaser thank you very much.

@esmoglo

4 жыл бұрын

@@myers326 8-9 mpg with a 10,000LBS Prime Time 5th Wheel RV attached, for my 6.0 gas motor, Duramax gets 12-13 towing a 5th wheel, sometimes even less. Duramax diesel MPG, not a big difference while towing you must consider the purchase price is more, fuel cost is more, maintenance cost more, DEF fluid cost and the emissions systems are CRAZY expensive if they fail out of warranty. If you need the Duramax for work and tow all the time, then yes, it’s a logical option. If you are a 1/2 ton gas buying customer (like I was) and step up to a 3/4 ton truck’s ability’s it’s a logical upgrade, 2500HD Gas in many cases cost the same as a well quipped ½ ton but with the ¾ ton you get a new world of towing ability’s you just don’t get with the ½ ton truck. I really like our 2015 2500HD 6.0 Gas Crew Cab, its been very reliable, perfect no then again as a former Ford truck owner the Chevrolet now has 65,000 miles since brand new, has not gone back to the dealership ONCE! This is a new concept for us as our Fords really liked going back all the time it got old, and I have owned Fords all my life, first one was a Ford Mavic hand me down in 1990 I got from a family member when I was a new driver, not anymore however not a single Ford on the driveway now.

@michaeldenave8854

4 жыл бұрын

Jello Jello same page here. 2016 2500 6.0. Runs and tows just fine. Feel it on the hills but I can deal with it. 10k for a diesel, oil change, fuel filters. And I watch other guys spend an average of 5k when they have a problem with there diesels. I’ve had them but they are all junk now. I’ll stay with the 6.0. Best gas engine out there.

@MarkPdot

4 жыл бұрын

I have a 2000 Chevy Silverado 2500, 6.0. I have pulled a 10k lb trailer in the hills of Arizona. No speed demon for sure but the truck did well. This is with over 400k miles.

@esmoglo

4 жыл бұрын

MarkPdot yep Chevys just work it’s a simple formula the least drama out of the big three domestic offerings

Wow, that truck is quiet. Good job GM👍

I believe the last generation had a 4:10. Rear end My 2015 did anyway. And my 2016. So now they add more power but change the gearing which makes it a bit less power off the line.

If you love the warming soft glow of the CEL and need to meet new friends, like your dealers service manager ,then get the Duramax.

@justinmartin8887

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. You speak with experience

As the owner of a 2020 6.6L gas Chevy 2500HD, I chose mine knowing I’d be towing about 3-7 times per year and knowing $10K difference could take +10 years to recover and that doesn’t even factor in the more expensive oil changes and lifetime maintenance costs of a diesel, it’s turbo system and heavier engine weight impact versus the lighter gas engine. In short, I’m loving my gasser and high box payload and gas mileage and many other things. Mileage has been approx. 14 L/100km Hwy unloaded and 28 with my 30 ft. trailer. Appreciate that GM incorporated direct fuel injection and AutoTrac (mild form of AWD transfer case) that I use on gravel roads and throughout winter, both HD exclusives/firsts. This also has 20% more torque across entire rpm band than the old 6L. I won’t try to compare torque of a diesel which is almost twice as much; it’s obvious it would be nicer, but I’ve invested my $10K instead, thanks (market funds bounced back nicely in the past year).

@SvenTSchixe

2 жыл бұрын

Hey buddy, How many kms do you have on it? Any problems with it?

@nhlcfl7733

2 жыл бұрын

@@SvenTSchixe Hi there AC. My answer is that overall satisfaction is 9/10. No major issues at all. It had a recall with a steering column detail, and then surprisingly regarding brake pads (the batch of pads were found to be poor for some reason and they replaced all of them which was nice - won’t need a brake job at my own expense as soon). Other than that, it’s been a great purchase in my mind. I did get extended warranty for one main reason as I would with anything like these new vehicles and that is because I want to eliminate any costs on myself for the electronics such as the complex infotainment system that also controls the cameras and all of that = a few thousands to fix or replace that for sure once normal warranty runs out. To get excited about the GM/Chevy HD is to consider buying an accessory I did. I purchased the In Box Side Mounted Bed Storage Boxes (they come as a pair). Gives me as much storage volume as my old front of the box Storage tool box, but leave open the full length of my box and even leaves me with a 4 ft. width as well; check it out! Take care AC.

@nhlcfl7733

2 жыл бұрын

@@SvenTSchixe Hello again AC, regarding mileage, I now have 28,000 km on it.

@SvenTSchixe

2 жыл бұрын

@@nhlcfl7733 Nice, good to hear buddy. Thanks for the reply, that was informative, I really appreciate that. Take Care, AC🍻✌🇨🇦

It doesn't matter how any times you tow it, it's where. If you tow through states like SC or Florida that are relatively flat, I agree. But if a majority of time is going through the mountains in WV, get a diesel

What was the weight of the trailer and mpg?

When I found out you didn’t have to run 93 octane I would definitely look at the gas engine.

@BIG570S

3 жыл бұрын

93 is for the 1500 with 6.2 V8. The 6.6 gas runs 87 in the HD trucks. I’ve owned both too.👍

@Hardstyler981

2 жыл бұрын

@@BIG570S wbu the 2500 and which is more efficient

I have 2004 gas 1500 sierra. I was towing an off road truck to the trails. It felt ok. I recently bought a 2007 duramax sierra and it's frigging night and day. 5000lb truck and 2000lb trailer felt like nothing was back there. Diesel all the way

Yes the $10k difference up front is tough but you get that money back come re-sale.. So it’s a wash if you can pay the upfront ticket price. You get more fuel efficiency, more power, and many would agree a diesel will outlive a gas especially when that poor gas engine revs that high pulling any real weight

@matt22blaster

4 жыл бұрын

Diesel is definitely better if you're pulling a load every day. "fuel efficiency" just means burns less fuel. There's nothing economically efficient about 15% better milage when fuel cost 25% more. With that being said my next truck will probably be a diesel, work has really picked up over the last couple years. I'll see how the next election plays out.

@robr.7847

4 жыл бұрын

matt22blaster fuel cost 25% more? I hope you’re not running 87 in a gas truck that needs to move weight, on all of my gas trucks pulling weight I ran 91-93 which was always more than diesel 🤷🏻‍♂️ Even my last truck was tuned for 91oct by BlackBear since I was Pulling a trailer full time

@Redeemed7

3 жыл бұрын

@@robr.7847 exactly. Premium no ethanol is the only way to go in a gas. It's much more expensive than diesel

What's the long term for gas vs diesel for emissions issues and down time

I think I would take the diesel an on other videos it seems like the gas is struggling did anybody discuss that with the engineers

I’m looking at the 2020 Chevy 2500 trying to decide on gas or diesel. It will only be used for commute and pulling a 34 ft bummer pull (9400lbs) about 5x a yr! I heard gas will pass everything up besides a gas station.... opinions/thoughts please! Thanks

@SvenTSchixe

2 жыл бұрын

I would buy the gas, diesel have DEF now and as a truck driver they are just an added expense and complexity that is not it needed. Take care✌🍻🇨🇦

What if the truck is a daily driver with a one mile run to work, can you see any negatives engine issue-wise with the diesel? I need more payload capacity, not towing capacity, only towing 7600 lbs for weekend camping and three week summer vacation in cold northern Ontario. The F150 at 1777 lbs payload in maxed out payload-wise. I'm leaning 250/2500 gasser but they are like unicorns up here, plenty of diesels though, are they that much more popular than diesel or are they not making any?

@raptuous

4 жыл бұрын

I'm also in Northern Ontario but bought my 2016 silverado 1500 in London because of the 10 year rust warranty (getting parts repainted next month). I was looking to upgradet to a 2500 and also found the mid model gassers are impossible to find, everything on the lots were over 75 grand. For the hell of it I did their build to order form and came out with a 2500 with everything I wanted on it for around 55000. I liked that i could really fine tune the options rather than have to step up to a ridiculous Denali.

Im still hauling 10 k with a 4.3 but speed is not an issue niether is acceleration for what I use it for

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

Good to hear. Thanks Vincent.

So, I know ( and everyone else probably does as well know the Diesel will pull harder and faster.... but, My question is for us that have the older GMC Gas 6.0l in our 2500HD will the 6.6 gas be better than our 6.0 and by how much.... is it worth upgrading our Gas from 6.0 to 6.6ltr.... that Is what I'd like to know.

@jimm2442

4 жыл бұрын

Why upgrade? Your truck does the job now. The 6.6 has direct fuel injection not port like yours and that is the main reason it produces more torque and hp. That said your 6.0 might take a minute or two longer to reach the top of the grade but it is a proven reliable engine. If you are going to buy a new truck anyway then yes, but I think going forward that GM will put the 10 speed trans behind this engine and lower the rear end gear ratio which will be even better. I may wait for that to happen.

@CaptainDayne

3 жыл бұрын

What everybody misses on the direct injection is that they have excesive carbon build up. No fuel going on top of the valves swirling around the combustion chamber. So they get carboned up real bad. The 6.6l will too. A decarb can be very expensive to the tune of cylinder head removal. I like that the 6.6 is an ls platform it will be reliable. But carbon will happen down the line. I went with the Duramax. When out of warranty i will hp tune it just to remove the def , and dpf.

I'm in the truck market waiting for the big three to play their cards. I am very interested in the 6.6 gm but nervous of the direct injection only, leaving the valves to accumulate carbon build up. 4WD Magazine, do you think this truck will have issues down the road lets say 80k miles with nothing to clean the valves? I would consider a catch can but that won't stop 100% of the gunk that would end up on the valves. are there any improvements to gdi engines to help limit the crud that ends up on the valves? thx

@monsword

4 жыл бұрын

Can't speak on GM, but my Nissan XD 5.6 direct injection has had 0 issue since purchase.

@myers326

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen some 1/2 tons used on farms with 120,000+ with no issues with the 5.3

Serious question. I have never owned a diesel truck before always owned a gas powered. I live in MN where it is cold and only drive my truck when it snows or am towing or hauling something, as i have a Camry for my daily driver. If it sits in the driveway, only to be driven maybe once a week, am i going to have lots of issues with a diesel in the winter, or do i just have to have it plugged in all day everyday.

@zachsmith7448

Жыл бұрын

I have a 19 powerstroke, i don’t drive it and it goes in the shop atleast once a month, stick with gas

What happened to mpg or did I miss it

Its pretty much common sense.....tow heavy or frequent get diesel if not save your money get gas....not really a debate just a choice on what fits your needs

@SF-fm7ov

Жыл бұрын

I would add that if you tow on steep grades at high altitudes like I do in Colorado, the diesel makes a lot more sense. Not just in uphill performance but also when you turn on the exhaust brake and never touch that brake pedal going down those steep grades. I have created a chart showing horsepower, torque, towing capacity, and payload using 3 GM gas engines and 2 turbo diesel engines. The chart also compares the numbers at 11,000 feet where power is reduced by 3% for every 1,000 feet of altitude on the gas engines (33%). The torque on a 6.0L gas is about 255 compared to the Duramax at 910-pound feet at 11k feet of altitude.

Nice review. If a buyer doesn't want to pay the diesel price, gas is the way to go, but go for the Ram instead of paying for the GM diesel. I'm in the market for a 3/4 ton truck, don't need a diesel for what I plan on towing. I just drove the 2019 Ram 2500 with the 6.4L Hemi mated to the new 8spd. Then drove the 2020 Silverado 2500 6.6L gas w/the new or updated 6spd. There was a big difference in power delivery, ride and feel. The numbers on paper say the Silverado wins, but in real world testing, the Ram takes it. I never was big Dodge/Ram fan, but they have come a long ways IMO. Updated exterior styling and interior as well. I just drove the tradesman with some packages and even though it was a work truck, optioning it out with things like the 8.5" touch screen, Off-road package and a few others, it didn't look or feel like it. I drove a 2020 Silverado 2500 6.6 gas LTZ Z71 Crew Cab short bed and a 2019 Ram 2500 Tradesman 6.4 gas 4x4 Off-Road short bed. Ram was the winner for me. Gas HD unless you are towing 14k Plus.

@Hardstyler981

2 жыл бұрын

Whats the fuel economy efficiency on diesel vs gas?

@rossagge

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hardstyler981 So I've had a chance to own both now. The 6.4 hemi avg 18mpg on the Hwy. The 6.7 Cummins avg 20mpg on the Hwy. That's running at 80mph.

What’s the weight of the trailer???

3.42 in duramax bc of the 10 speed trans 3.73 in the gas bc 6 speed trans something needs to change with the gas engine as far as trans or rear gear set needs to hold Powerband more for heavy towing

I dont tow alot of weight,usually around 4-5000 lbs.But I do tow about 75-80% of the time I'm driving.Not to mention it's a 6.2 that wants premium.Im thinking switching to a diesel would benefit me,what do you think?

That new gaser needs an 8speed

I'd say the gaser has 3.73 because it's still got the 6speed where as the diesel can get away with taller gears having a 10speed and twice the torq lol

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

Do you think they are trying to hit a price point in the gas 2500HD? Will they give the gas engine a better transmission down the road?

@jeffwill4923

5 жыл бұрын

Price is a key issue here. I do think they were targeting a price similar to last model. A 10 spd or updated version may likely pushed prices higher. I do see a upgrade down the road when you look at what happened with 1/2 ton. With Ram and Ford going to 8spd and 10spd on this gas model, GM can sit back and choose which path to take. 1/2 ton 5.3L DFM can now be had with 10spd. 5.3L AFM model is still stuck with 8spd. 1/2 4x4 model can now tow up to 13,400 on 6.2L with 10spd. I believe the pack is only available with RST. This wasn't available last yr. Neither Ford or Ram offer a max tow that high on a 4x4 without having to choose a base model. That could change next yr but the 4X2 max tow pack( 13,200) on F-150 isn't really a 1/2 ton technically.

@kylevanzee1672

5 жыл бұрын

I really dont get what there doing chevy guy have been and will be it's like there turning dwn there gas engines so theres a bigger gap so they sell more diesels! It's not just gm all of the big 3 do it! The 6.2 has made 455 hp without tuning it in a Camaro for years but its turned dwn to 420 in the pickup and they got this 6.6 turned dwn to 400 with a 6speed we know the regular 10speed can handle the hp tq its hooked to the 6.2 with big towing #s!! Rams pickup runs the 6.4 same mtr makes 480hp in the scat pack challenger these are naturally aspirated non turbo gasser engines making more hp then are turbo diesels at factory settings still half the torq but if you geared them right at sea level the gasers would out pull the diesels in a short race hp= is the rate at which work is done "now keeping that gaser there for extended period of time would seriously reduce longevity which I suppose is why they turn them dwn idk dumb whatever happened to watching gauges and lifting off the skinny pedal when you were pushing to hard lol

@jeffwill4923

5 жыл бұрын

@@kylevanzee1672 The 6.6L gas is more of a work truck. A blvd cruiser built to haul and tow all day. Higher payload rating allows you to throw more in the bed. 6.2L in Camaro and truck have more timing in them where premium fuel can be used. There's only so much engineers can do with 87 oct in 6.6L. HD has iron block vs alum in 6.2L. 6spd is still offered in 1/2 ton wt. GM is very picky on which model has a 10spd. Diesel is top dog here like 6.2L is to 1/2 ton. 6.6L does have high comp. A tune on premium or flex/fuel is the way to go with some small mods. There is no AFM,DFM or cylinder cut in 6.6L. It should not be hard to tune/flash when GM releases them to public. Ram actually follows similar path as GM. 6.4 HD is tuned down to around 411hp and 429tq. Unlike GM 8spd is a option. Ram diesel I6 is still using a 6spd.

@BOWSMOKE

4 жыл бұрын

Kyle Van Zee the 6.6 is a pushrod motor without the crap afm that is in the 6.2. The 6.2 isn’t really a “truck” motor in that it uses zero weight oil, deactivates cylinders, and isn’t as heavy (for car applications).

Deboss!

Did this 6.6 gas feel any stronger than the old 6.0 vortec?

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. And with a little tweaking, it would be a stellar gas choice.

You can have a gas and on ramp performance with a Ford Gas 7.3 mated to the 10 speed.

How heavy is the trailer

Just do the math on owning one,of these new diesels and owning the gas engine.Before,I bought my 2021 HD 2WD I started doing some talking to folks who own these new diesels and it was a no-brainer.When you take into acct.the,initial cost,the the maintenance on the new diesels,plus they all have def,that adds to cost of ownership,now factor in that they don't get alot better milage than a gas with all the emissions equipment on them.Also factor in that the emissions equipment is going to cut the,life,of the,engine to the,point it wont last much longer(if at all) more than a well-maintained gas engine,that made it a deal breaker,for me.My figures showed me that I would have to keep the,truck about 15 yrs.or,longer to break even and that's working the truck 5-6 days a week like I do,it didnt make,sense.

You know what the hell with both of them I want the 8.1L big block back

@shanethomson8838

3 жыл бұрын

No one wanted the 8.1 when it was out now everyone wants it

@CaptainDayne

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanethomson8838 i bought one in 2001 ,3500. Great Truck

@motochaos1054

3 жыл бұрын

Best Chevy production big block made in my opinion

@thisguytrucksoldtrailer6875

3 жыл бұрын

Screw that Ls hybrid crap I want the new Lt engine on a nv4500 manual

@CaptainDayne

3 жыл бұрын

@@thisguytrucksoldtrailer6875 i would not own a direct injection engine due to the carbon issues. No fuel to clean the intake runner or the valves.

I just bought a 2023 2500 gas and it takes off fasssst ! Better than my f250

@gleanerman2195

Жыл бұрын

Hook a load to it and watch it take off real slow, but at least the gas hand will fall real fast.

@ezequielmendez1361

Жыл бұрын

I just did a couple of pulls with a dump trailer roughly 8k lb together and it wasn’t bad, of course when pulling in not accelerating fast but when I’m not pulling it’s been taking off fast.

sounds to me that there's a big difference between the diesel and gaser. If the temps stay down on the gaser than it might be worth buying. The 6.0 ran hot if it was worked hard.

@myers326

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Kruger Never once seen my 08,15 or 18 6.0 run hot combined mileage is 340,000 miles they worked hard since day one , however my 09 duramax had both its thermostats stuck partially open and would run hot towing a 6000 lbs center Console if you ran over 65 mph in 90+ F heat > Something to look for. The 15-up transmission cooling is night and day difference on the 6.0’s , about 30 degrees but I’ve only walked the line with the 08 , never been overheated

Get a tune , ditch the torque management , cold air intake , exhaust and tune it for premium. Easily 30hp plus a higher average torque curve through the entire rev range. Re gear to 3.90 or 4.10.

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

I like the way you think.

@myers326

4 жыл бұрын

The 6.0 is awesome with just a tune . It’s amazing how much they detune it and weaken it with torque management

@brockpay785

4 жыл бұрын

Doing all that work and spending the money tuning anything without a turbo or super charger seams pointless. Such a small gain.

with all the problems I've had with my 2011 2500HD duramax.. I will never again buy a diesel engine.. with the premium we pay for the duramax engine.. and all the repairs I've paid out to the DEF system, I reckon driving a diesel has cost me about 17,000 over the last near 10 years that I've had the truck. That would have bought me a tank and a half of gasoline every month for the last 10 years.. and driving the diesel just hasn't been worth it.

@jjsemperfi

3 жыл бұрын

In this market you could buy a brand new duramax with a 5 yr / 100,000 mile warranty and trade it in every 5 years. New GM trucks are the same price as used for the most part.

@shanebrown2963

2 жыл бұрын

Should of deleted your truck. Problem solved on shitty def system

I'm afraid to ask but what's the mileage like on the 6.6 liter gas?

@timothygray6031

3 жыл бұрын

I just bought one best I’ve got is 18.7mpg pulling a empty dump trailer at 65mph not real great but drives nice

I say it liek this the guy who just tows once in a while is fine with the gas job but then again that same guy may be fine with a half ton unless he is carrying a big plow if he is only hauling hay on the farm he likely does not need the diesel but if he has the demmand and is towing often then it is the primary choice as far as why they used 3.73s on the gas and 3.42s on the diesel I say 2 reasons one to keep the gasser at a higher rpm where it is happier working and to keep the diesel at a lower rpm and also the 10 speed probably has a wider ratio than the 6 speed

@myers326

4 жыл бұрын

Vincent Staples The 3/4 ton suspension walks all over a 1/2 ton . If you are towing anything over a 24-26’ travel trailer with a 1/2 ton your mad. It will throw that 1/2 ton where it wants it . I use to do it with a 28’ and I will say I was crazy. The 3/4 ton will handle it effortlessly. Put a dump trailer behind a 1/2 ton for 30,000 miles and you’ll be replacing the rearend and all the bushings . The transmissions aren’t built nearly as good either. They have the power to get it done but it’s not enough truck . I see the 3/4 ton lasting longer across the board . The 1/2 tons are good for pulling atvs , small tractors, enclosed trailers and smaller travel trailers but not much more.

Honestly if I were going to buy a truck to tow heavy I would just buy the diesel because it’s going to do the job much better pulling up long grades without revving it to the moon and going 45 MPH up a hill. Taking a longer time to get to where you want to go and not having passing speeds for safety. If your going to buy a gas truck just buy a half ton most all modern 1500’s are rated for most light weight travel trailers and get way better MPG cost less for insurance drive better for around town and smoother ride for off road.

Please, please keep buying gas 2500HD - it keeps the price down on the D-Max. Friends take me out for a ride in their NEW gasser (every brand) to impress me with how much better it is than my 08 D-Max. I'm always polite. Then going home I think "Maybe I should trade off this truck" until I jab the throttle and it slams my head against the headrest to wake me up.

@gmcdenali7178

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao with a diesel it's all slam you head and no go. Please, you diesels fans are crazy, diesels ain't fast, all you do is waste fuel in the form of smoke/coal, y'all ain't as fast as ya think. Every time I raced a diesel they kept up with me to second gear then next thing you know I can barely see them in my rear view

@gleanerman2195

Жыл бұрын

@@gmcdenali7178 Hook equal loads to them and watch the deisel smoke your ass.

Diesel all the way if you are pulling more than half the trucks towing capacity at altitude. The turbo on the diesel keeps horse power the same regardless of how high you are above sea level. Remember a naturally asperated engine will loose power as you get into thin air.

So the 3:73 is the culprit killing the gas . Step up to the dually and there’s a little more umph from 4:10 gear . However. Still a $10,000 for 50 hp and 450 fpt more is a no brainer .

Looks like they need that cold air intake on the gasser.

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

I guess there's always the aftermarket for upgrades - who knows what that engine could do with a little tuning and extras!

@treborheminway1196

5 жыл бұрын

@@4WDMagazine True - but If I buy a HD truck. Its gonna be a oil burner for all that effortless grunt.

Truck testers make too much money. “What’s another 10 grand ?”.

GM loves killing their engines with torque management. Did you test the new Ford SD 7,3 gasser?

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

We haven't tested that Ford yet. What do you think of it so far?

@boondocker1219

5 жыл бұрын

It sucks I drove the new 7.3 Ford it’s a turd

@soundmandave21

4 жыл бұрын

@@boondocker1219 Yeah, I doubt you have driven an unreleased gas engine. HP/TQ weren't even announced when you supposedly drove it.

@MarkPdot

4 жыл бұрын

Arg...torque management...my one major problem with GM.

gasser should have 4.10 in a tow test . 3.73's are for when the wife drives it or you wanna run 75 plus on the interstate empty. my 15 6.0 gas has 4.10s and i cant say enough about the difference towing verses the same truck with 3.73

@gmcdenali7178

4 жыл бұрын

4.10s are no longer offered also chillax on them ladies, not every female is affraid to drive something big or fast or tow or race.

How could you wake up that gas motor and make it a little more alive?

@nd4spd325

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately nothing yet. The ECM is locked. So nobody has tuning for it yet. Only a matter of time I will think.

diesel, because when we go camping we can stop at truck stops instead of gas stations

What was your mpg with out a load ?

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

They never gave us a chance to drive the HD's without a load - only the 3.0L. :(

@04bluesilverado

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for replying. No body can give me that answer.

@EdsEverydayAdventures

4 жыл бұрын

04bluesilverado We are about to pull the trigger on one. The dealer has a 7 day easy return policy so going to hook up the rv. But we did 20 miles in it, interstate, back roads, etc and average showed 17. We will see.

@04bluesilverado

4 жыл бұрын

@@EdsEverydayAdventures Thank you for the MPG numbers. What was your speed?? Good luck and be safe on your trip?

@EdsEverydayAdventures

4 жыл бұрын

@@04bluesilverado Thanks! We bought it. They had to unwrap the plastic from the seats and it still had some of the wrap on it. It showed 20 when we test drove it. We have it at the house now with 82 miles on it and still averaging about 17.

Worth it to you... So you buy one?

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

If i needed a new HD truck this month, i would buy this over the diesel over Ram or Ford.

so now a gas truck with 400 hp 400 ft pounds of tourqe isn't enough ? whatever....

When did Chevy start making a 6.6 liter gas engine?

@b0bsaget007

3 жыл бұрын

With this new generation of 2500 HD Silverados and Sierras.

@arlenleffmann4966

3 жыл бұрын

Coo

Do they offer the 6.6 gas with 4.10 gears? I bet my 2016 6.0 would almost feel the same as the 6.6 gas. Gearing is huge. And another thing about hyping up these diesel engines. Remember that they have forced induction. Throw a turbo on that 6.6 gas and hold the f!@# on.

@gmcdenali7178

4 жыл бұрын

They don't offer 4.10s anymore and yea they do need them also they could use the 8 or 10 speed

@merc6

2 жыл бұрын

@jon dough thats only if you are beating the dog piss out of it. I've owned many turbo cars and get great mileage. And those diesels are only getting about 10 or 11 miles to the gallon. Don't let anyone tell you it's any better than that. My 6.0 gets 13.5 all day long without city driving. I bet it would be about the same if I was driving the same.

Why don’t they supercharge the 6.6

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

I think they are using it as their price point 3/4 ton - they don't spend an extra nickel they don't have to.

@m1lkman1974

4 жыл бұрын

When you listen to Ford and GM engineers they are always preaching 1) Reliability 2) Fuel Economy and 3) Emissions. All new clean sheet engine designs are built with those three attributes in mind. Fleet buyers and work truck buyers (the lion's share of this truck's customers) will want reliability and fuel economy. A supercharger detracts from both. But hey, I would love to see this truck in an AT4 edition with a supercharger for a niche market! :)

It need custom turbo kit

@gmcdenali7178

4 жыл бұрын

Blower would be way better for this thing

Why not 450 hp so why not just get the 6.2

@AB-coyote

3 жыл бұрын

The 6.2 isn’t really built to handle the duty cycle that some HD trucks will go through. That’s why GM stuck with the less powerful 6.0 for so long on the HD lineup.

Let's see Japanese diesel vs a meh gas lol hard choice lol

Well you have a v8 pulling 3k lbs compared to a diesel pulling 3k lbs..its not worth it..the truck is to heavy for the v8...imagine pulling more weight?? Alot of work on that v8...I'd choose diesel 100%.

Dear GM, if you want to be a leader in a segment... you have to lead somewhere! Stop the conservatism with your engines! Get aggressive so we (the customers) don't have to always modify... and then get blamed for modding. I'm definitely leaning towards an F350 for my next truck at the moment... because your execs are being lame (I mean 'pussies').

Anyone else shit themselves when he’s like well what’s $10k on a $100k truck? Wtf you’re paying $1400 a month and that’s without interest... I’ll buy my $20k truck and be happy with a gas so I don’t need those expensive repairs.

Cold air Intake?? You mean ram-Air? Who is this dude lol

no need to spend another 10k..just get the 7.3 from Ford...

Or put that $10k in to the gaser and tow that trailer at 100 mph

@gmcdenali7178

4 жыл бұрын

@JDJ No I am not. I am saying it will drag that diesel with a trailer behind it. A fucking 1970 Buick BONE STOCK will out tow that pos diesel

@gleanerman2195

Жыл бұрын

@@gmcdenali7178 I hope you are a comedian, if not then I'm thing IDIOT.

, I enjoyed your video but why don't you compare a gas to gas instead of a gas to a diesel it's not fair to the Chevy new truck I owned a brand new Z71 6.6 I love it so why don't you compare gas to gas and diesel diesel give the truck a chance I have the Z71 HD 6.6 and I love

Only Diesel engine!

A lot of exaggerated points here.

This was the most irrelevant and pointless review of trucks I’ve ever seen. These guys are truck reviewers??? Hard to believe that…Guy is driving the gasser and he’s surprised it doesn’t accelerate as quickly with a trailer as a truck with double the torque and 4 more gears in the trans. Maybe these review guys need to be reviewing Legos or something a little more basic for them to understand.

The Duramax makes me 910 foot pounds of torque at 650 hp so yeah and you can Roll coal and also why the fuck are they making gas saving trucks like it’s fucking Truck not a Prius put 4:10 gearing back in the truck get rid of the def and get rid of the catalytic converter’s on the gas

Waste of time ...

Compare rear bumpers cuz Chevy f**ked up on that one why they ain't selling looks so dumb "COME ON" chevy is ur only buyers 60 years old wtf

"The duramax is worth it even if I'm towing once a month". This is the dumbest statement I've heard in a long time. So wasteful, and that's what these pick up are for, for wasteful people who don't know math

I didnt enjoy it

Interesting that you say in the video "it's not right to compare the gasser and the diesel" and then you go right ahead and do it, making excuses for the gasser all the way through. Unless of course you want to drop big $$ into bypassing the mandatory emissions system and fooling the computers, thereby voiding your warranty (oh, and let's not pay the extra $10k for the diesel, let's instead spend a like amount on illegal mods). And you STILL won't have a truck that will pull as well. There is no conventionally-aspirated gasser that can match a turbo diesel of comparable displacement, period. Simply put, if you are towing or hauling big loads on a frequent or regular basis spend the money to get the diesel. Especially now with the 10 speed Allison. You'll have a truck that has to work half as hard and will last twice as long.

No thanks. I'm not into GM . I'm waiting for the 7.3 Ford

@4WDMagazine

5 жыл бұрын

Have you had a good track record with Ford?

@seaskoot1957

5 жыл бұрын

@@4WDMagazine yes. A very good track record. Going back to the 60s

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