Colt AR-15 HBAR 1:7 vs 1:9 Range Practice!

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Was a little puzzled why the point of impact versus point of aim kept coming up as I went heavier on the bullet weight with the Sporter HBAR 1:7 twist? The Match Target HBAR 1:9 twist stayed consistent. Shot at 25 meters to verify zero adjustments. Went down two clicks on elevation and over two clicks to the right on the A2 Sporter and went another 3 clicks left on the Match Target A3/A4 after I got home. Zeros should be much better next time out!

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  • @thrashyourface5660
    @thrashyourface5660 Жыл бұрын

    Man it's nice to see videos of 20"" AR's keep this kinda content coming

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm partial to them myself! I've recently put up a few on my newer Windham build. Thanks for watching!

  • @TELEFUNKENU47458
    @TELEFUNKENU47458 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Pete. On my H bar, I come up around 7 clicks from the bottom setting, and shoot off the top of the post like an apple on a fence post for a bullet strike in the 10 ring. Works perfectly for iron sights. The rifle likes lighter bullet weights and slower burning propellant, IMR 3031 etc. For best results, less is more. That is a great shooting rifle. a joy to shoot. thanks for the vid and the sea story. USAF 73-77

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    Haven't done any custom loading yet for my AR's. Just off the shelf stuff so far. Planning to start back up with reloading soon so thanks for the powder recommendation and I'll give it a try! My son-in-law is retired Air Force! He's a big 6' 5" "lug nut" but takes very good care of my daughter and grand kids! Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @l.a.2646
    @l.a.2646 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your service Pete. Enjoyed the video, my buddy had two Colts one with a 1:12 and a 1:7 twist. He was so unhappy with that 1:12 even in a vice it was so sporadic, I bought a S&W M&P15 s2 with a 1:9 government barrel ( at his recommendation) he changed that 1:12 to a 1:9 and bought 2 more AR15's the same as mine. He liked the 1:9 the most after experimenting with different weights. The only difference is our 1:9 are 16" rather than his 1:7 , that was a 20" barrel. I've had a lot of"experts" tell me the 1:9 is garbage, but,I've had really good results with that twist. I try to stay with 55gr. Or 62gr. These videos are really helpful, thanks! , Lön

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    I have quite a few 1:9 twist AR's and haven't noticed any difference even up to 68 grains but I just about never shoot past about 200 yards these days so maybe that's where something happens? No experience at all with 1:12. I have been running quite a few 1:8 twist Wylde chambering's lately and have noticed a slight accuracy improvement difference with some .223 vs a 5.56mm chamber but nothing I could detect as related to stability? Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @JohnDoe-gj4dv
    @JohnDoe-gj4dv2 жыл бұрын

    Pete......Please keep the "SEA STORIES" Coming............ TODAY'S YOUNGSTERS.........might just start to appreciate the KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY ARE MISSING OUT ON....... Not only from the Old Guard.......but frombthe Generation that just fought for 20 years in 2 Wars ....... TODAY'S Generation need this GUIDANCE....... SEMPER FIDELIS BROTHER.......

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Maybe I have more to share than I think sometimes? I've got a lot of "Sea Stories" to tell! Lol! Thanks again for watching and the great comments!

  • @russianspy5814
    @russianspy5814 Жыл бұрын

    Ahh the 1 on 1 talk. Very navyish 😆 😂 I also was in the navy.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching shipmate!

  • @davidstevens6117
    @davidstevens6117 Жыл бұрын

    Enjoyed your Navy story! I was in for four years. Got out as an Aviation Machinist's Mate 3rd. I wish I had stayed!

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    When I first joined there were two versions. ADR (reciprocating) and ADJ (jet). I started out as an ADJ on S3A Vikings. Wasn't too long before they dropped the two different designations and everyone just became AD's. Did five years as an AD and got out for awhile. Went back in and changed my rating to AT (Aviation Electronics Technician) for the bonuses. Couldn't figure out if I liked the Navy or I was just trying to like it so I retired after 21 1/2 years! Lol! Thanks for watching shipmate!

  • @davidstevens6117

    @davidstevens6117

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peteregger7928 Thank you for your service! I worked on the Allison T-56 Turboprop and the propeller system for the P3C Orion aircraft.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidstevens6117 My son was aircrew on P3's! Mostly analyzed radar and radio frequencies. He was stationed in Hawaii and Washington. He did six years and decided to exit. Works for a data center construction company now as a project manager and integrator. No personal experience with the T-56 but my understanding is that they are solid engines!

  • @davidstevens6117

    @davidstevens6117

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peteregger7928 Wow! The P3 was a very reliable aircraft, but it was the airplane equivalent of working on an old reliable pickup truck, as opposed to a Ferrari (F-14). I flew on them several times. The T-56 is also used in the C-130, and several other aircraft. It is a fine engine system.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidstevens6117 GE TF-34 when I was in the Navy. Then the Twin Otter using Pratt & Whitney PT6A's after I retired and worked for Scenic Airlines for over a year here in Las Vegas as an A&P. Worked on Lycoming and Continental piston engines at Scenic too. Ended up at Clark County Water Reclamation as the Senior Controls Systems Technician. We took care of everything at and below 480 volts including motor controls. Fun job but the politics were brutal! Survived 15 years there and then retired.

  • @chrischiampo7647
    @chrischiampo76472 жыл бұрын

    I’d Be Happy With Those Groups All Day Long Pete 😊 That Navy Story Was Great I Like Stories Like Those 😀 Love Those Rifles Ive Got My Sights Adjusted On My M16A4 Clone 1:7 Zeroed For The M193 55Grain But Notice My Groups Hit Lower With The M-855 62 Grain . I’ve Been Wanting To Try Some Of That Black Hills MK262 Mod 1 77Grain OTM 5.56 Ammunition

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Chris! I'm definitely going to take the Sporter back out and get the zero straightened out with 55 grain. It was shooting decent groups when I was doing my job so I just need to get it dialed in better! When there's more ammo availability I will be trying even more bullet styles and weights. Can't remember watching any vids where anyone was complaining about Black Hills anything. Thanks again for watching!

  • @alannaofrann6767
    @alannaofrann67672 жыл бұрын

    let me get this straight...! You want to have your BUIS zeroed at 25 yds.? Your irons are about 2 inches above your bore when the gun fires...that zero at 25 would put you fairly high at 50 yds. and perhaps off the paper at 100yds. I would opt to be zeroed at 50, with a little rise in impact at 100. I'm thinking that your 25yd. zero mey be why your front sight is screwed in so deeply. So tell me...am I just FOS?!

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    2 жыл бұрын

    Both the A2 and A4 sights were designed and calibrated for the Army using the 25 meter distance for zeroing on the 20" rifles. For zeroing using the Army method the rear elevation drum is clocked up one click for the A2 and 2 clicks up for the A4 detachable handle from mechanical bottom and which places the A4 drum at the "Z" mark. Not all A4's have the "Z" mark. Small aperture is used on both styles for zeroing. The front sight post is then adjusted for POA/POI. Once you have your rifle sighted you return the rear elevation drums to the 300/800m bottom position for the A2 or the 300/600m bottom position for the A4. You are now zeroed using the small aperture for 300 meters for the 20" rifles. You can then flip to the large aperture for 0-200 meters. If you are using an aftermarket BUIS on a flat top then you can make your zero for what ever you want it to be even if you're still using an A2 front sight base whether it's "F" marked or not as the rear adjustment calibrations if your's has them are usually more recommendations and guesstimates. For that application I will go with a 50/200 yard zero. For Milspec irons I will use the Army 0-300 meter because that is what the rear elevation drum was designed for. I believe the Marines started using a 36 yard zero on their M16's but they eat crayons! Lol! Thanks for watching Alanna!

  • @crashoverride4881
    @crashoverride4881 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Pete, Remember, at 25 meters flat trajectory, just raise your gun up and put the front sight post at the top of 10 ring. You should get the bulls. That's with the 55 gn. Still, your weapon is tight. I was hitting targets out to 600 yards. With 62gn. Even at 600, you have to elevate. Always allow for bullet drop. Great video.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! I definitely need more practice! Most of my range days usually involve function testing on new stuff. My goal is to get accurate with little support or aids. I see a lot videos with sub-MOA results but most of the shooters are using enough support equipment to where they have mostly removed themselves from the equation. Don't know if I'll ever get there but it sure is fun trying! Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @crashoverride4881

    @crashoverride4881

    Жыл бұрын

    @Peter Egger Pete, I don't use support equipment. The one thing I don't do is take myself out of the equation. Our ancestors did not have support aid. It is pure ability. I generally sight my weapons at 100 yards or 200. Once I have the bulls, I leave it there. If you have a good scope with graduating cross hair's, just elevate the weapon like an artillery piece. Only for distances beyond you zero. Does that make sense.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@crashoverride4881 Yes, it makes perfect sense! I never touch the dials once I'm zeroed for the type of shooting that I do. Just make the corrections with the reticle. I'm almost always within 300 yards these days though. I've often wondered why anyone buys a scope without a ranging or BDC reticle. You can still hunt with one of those but it is much more difficult to shoot precise long range, competitive or tactical with like say a standard duplex when not at your zero. A standard duplex still has its uses and a lot shooters are very good with them but the reticle itself is still very limited in what it can do.

  • @crashoverride4881

    @crashoverride4881

    Жыл бұрын

    @Peter Egger Pete in Nam I used a Leatherwood scope. They were auto ranging but still had a cheat sheet taped the rifle stock. When you get a moment, check out the Leatherwood by Hy-Lux. They are spendy. I have one on an 03 Remington that was built in 1942. I can bracket the target and pull the trigger in 5 sec. Check it out. They have all kinds of scopes. Good quality. 👍

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@crashoverride4881 I watch some of HR Funk's videos and he was showcasing a Leatherwood a while back. Interesting design and seems to work well! Probably similar to what you used and to this day?

  • @majorlee76251
    @majorlee762512 жыл бұрын

    Pete, as always, nice video. I am partial to the Colt HBAR.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Will be taking the Sporter back out soon to do a better job on the zero. Not sure why it was shooting so low today especially with the 55 grain? I may have screwed up the zero years ago not realizing it? Maybe I had left the peep on the large setting aperture while zeroing the last time? Thanks for watching!

  • @majorlee76251

    @majorlee76251

    2 жыл бұрын

    The cure for this is more range time. I noticed that you dont have your nose up on the charging handle. The Army trained us that way. When I started shooting the m1 and the m1a putting your nose that close gave me many bloody noses until I learned to move back.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@majorlee76251 I'm still learning! Lol!

  • @gunfisher4661
    @gunfisher46612 жыл бұрын

    I used 55gn. WWB in a 1-9 S&W 16 " barrel and pretty much get 1"moa every time at 100 yd

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think my 1:9 HBAR Colt does a little better with the lighter stuff I shoot. Thanks for watching!

  • @charlesludwig9173
    @charlesludwig9173 Жыл бұрын

    From rear sight settings as you set them, the 25 meter zero is set turning front sight post and rear sight windage drum. An exacting zero can be made using a target that is big enough to distinguish a consistent center mass sight picture. At any rate, it appears that your extreme elevation need is possibly from having poor but consistent sight alignment, and/or a low sight picture. Also, when an A4 is fitted with a commercial rather than mil spec detachable carry handle the rifle will shoot too low to be properly zeroed. Of course, your low grouping was from the A2 so the proper carry handle sight is not applicable. Hope you figured it out. BTW, these days, Mk262LR ammunition from a 1/7 twist makes M193, and M855 moot, as well as the 1/9 twist rate. The 77 grain Mk262 round is .64 MOA accurate at 300 meters and good to mid range, having an MOA wind constant of 8.5 at 600 meters. M855 only has an MOA wind constant of 7 at 300 meters, meaning it will not get desired results at mid range. The Mk262 round also syncs well with the bullet drop compensation and 300 meter zero functions of A2 and A4 rear sight. One more thing, the National Match Bushmaster made some years ago had a 1/9 twist barrel. A friend of mine shot 75 grain AMAX from it in 1000 yard NRA Long Range Competition and never any keyholing. In fact he once won the Kentucky State Long Range Championship with that rifle and loading from iron sights.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! My older eyes don't help either! Dabbled with all this stuff when I was younger but was never serious. After I retired from working I decided to get back into it mostly being AR's and realized I wasn't seeing as well when using irons. Had my right eye lens replaced about a year and a half ago which helped a lot! To accurately get past 100 yards these days I need magnification. I still enjoy trying with iron sights though! Now my left is now starting go. I'm right handed but left eye dominate so my left eye is only a problem when pistol shooting with both eyes open. A lot of good info in your reply so thanks again!

  • @boredvet
    @boredvet Жыл бұрын

    I picked up a colt match target lightweight rifle, and I was wondering what the mechanism was called. I figured it was meant to stop full auto series, or other fun modifications. However didn't know what it was called specifically. Makes sense why the bcg was cut like that as well

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    It's a Colt only thing and an abomination! Lol! Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @boredvet

    @boredvet

    Жыл бұрын

    @Peter Egger no problem. My grandpa is a Vietnam vet and when he was stateside, he would shoot national match with these rifles. Some rules were 3x scopes with only 28mm tubes something like that. Pretty interesting. He did hear about these rifles, but never seen these before.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@boredvet I joined the Navy in "74". Vietnam wasn't officially over until early "75". I got no where near Vietnam but hung around a few guys that did. I ended up doing the Persian Gulf War on board the USS Tripoli LPH-10. We were one of the ships that hit a mine just off the coast of Kuwait. Fun times... not!

  • @boredvet

    @boredvet

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peteregger7928 thanks for your service. My grandpa was a pilot. Grandma was a nurse. She has a book out with the other women of Vietnam. They came together to make a book that's filled with each of their stories

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@boredvet That's pretty cool! I would be interested in reading the book. Is it available and what's the title?

  • @Allenmar73
    @Allenmar73 Жыл бұрын

    I've been going back through watching some of your older videos since I found your channel. After my first 1:7, I went with 1:9 on my stuff for hunting and mostly all 55 & 62 gr. What are your thoughts on the advantage of using 68-77? Digging your Navy stories. Thanks for sharing your work and hobby.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    I think most of it was driven by military testing in very cold weather as far as the twist rate goes and certain types of military ammunition. The heavier stuff is claimed to be more accurate as ballistic coefficients are often better with a more varied selection of bullet types available. The heavier stuff at long distance will be less effected by wind. For the ranges I shoot at 55 and 62 grain non-steel core name brand stuff has been more accurate than I can usually shoot. Some rifles will shoot heavier stuff better and some the lighter stuff regardless of twist rate until you get below 55 grain. I personally haven't seen much of any difference using 77 down to 55 grain with 1:7 or 1:9 at the distances that I usually shoot. I think there's credence that below 55 grain a 1:7 twist might be too much and the preferred twist will be 1:9. I do believe my 1:8 Wylde chambered rifles have been slightly more accurate when using .223 or NATO at 55 grain or above. Not sure how things would go at 1:8 with very light bullets as no personal experience? There's so many variables it's hard to give a solid answer? Thanks again for watching and commenting!

  • @Allenmar73

    @Allenmar73

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peteregger7928 ... Thanks for the reply. That was solid info. From my very limited experience with 1:7 using 55-62gr. at 100 yards accuracy testing. My groups were not as good as I thought they should be, compared them to my 1:8 (not Wylde). That's when I discovered the twist rate/ammo thing. I did pick up some 69, 75, and 77gr. to test that 1:7, yep much tighter groups. Since I was already stacked in 55 & 62, I just couldn't justify the increased price for the heavy stuff, 1:8 and 1:9 works great. Just wondered your opinion why so many manufacturers are pushing 1:7. Since I don't see myself going out beyond 300-400 max, I'm really liking my 1:9's for all varmits 2 and 4 legged. Thanks again.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Allenmar73 You're welcome! I try to share based on my own experience. I think the 1:7 is mostly a military thing. I've seen a lot of videos claiming that 1:9 is no longer in vogue or a viable twist rate. Kind of repeating myself but that has not been my experience at the distances and environmental conditions that I shoot. The 1:9 has performed just as well and I think overall that 1:8 is the sweet spot for most ammunition types. No real hard data but just how my range days have gone so far.

  • @samdunlap5365
    @samdunlap53654 ай бұрын

    My 1-9 & 1-7 both shoot anything 55-75grain pretty much identicle 😊

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    4 ай бұрын

    I wasn't shooting at much distance but they were very much the same! Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @resolute123
    @resolute123 Жыл бұрын

    Is the 1/9 chrome lined?

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, both of these are chrome lined. As far as I know and remember all Colt's in this vintage were chrome lined but not completely positive about that.

  • @resolute123

    @resolute123

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peteregger7928 are there any barrel markings that indicates it being chromes lined or is it assumed like the LE6920?

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@resolute123 Both of mine are marked "C MP" but without the "B". C = Colt, MP = Magnetic Particle tested. I think earlier version's that used the "B" marking indicated "Chrome Lined". Newer versions do not use the "B" marking but are are still chrome lined. I'm not a Colt expert even though I own three of them that I purchased early 90's but I think this is correct. All of mine are HBAR's and have chrome lined barrels.

  • @resolute123

    @resolute123

    Жыл бұрын

    @@peteregger7928 Thank you for following up. I believe the 1/9 HBAR is model MT 6700 which so far I've researched is chrome chamber, but not the bore (really hard to find info on it and getting conflicting info).

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    Жыл бұрын

    @@resolute123 You might try a channel called "Small Arms Solutions". Chris runs the channel and has written a couple of books about the AR platform. He actually worked for Colt for about 7 years. He is probably one of the few experts on Colt AR's and from a historical standpoint has a boat load of knowledge..

  • @momo-hm5ru
    @momo-hm5ru9 ай бұрын

    Those sear blocks is one reason I hate colt.

  • @peteregger7928

    @peteregger7928

    9 ай бұрын

    Definitely more than just annoying! It does shoot straight though! Lol!

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