COLLEGES TO BEGIN PAYING PLAYERS IN 2025 - THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!
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RIP College Athletics. It was a blast while it lasted. 😥
@smokeyrameriz478
Ай бұрын
Yet college football is bigger than it's ever been, and it will continue to grow, nd you will watch
@AliensAnonymous
Ай бұрын
Grow up. Players have been paid since the 60s.
@22s22a
Ай бұрын
You'll be glued to your tv next year
@hufferbillypaw
Ай бұрын
Do you disagree that the players should get a cut of the billions that others are making off their efforts? For me, I say it is about time! And look, listen… does it seem weird that players will essentially be employees now? Yes. But it is the only way you can stop the current NIL and transfer portal mess. In the long run, it will be structurally better for all involved once the shock wears off. Now there will need to be an enforcement of rules that every member institution agrees to follow. Things like a salary cap come to mind in order to level the playing field so the haves can’t just buy all the good players up.
Pretty soon you will have to have Saturday ticket on direct tv to watch college football. This is going to be a can of worms. Than college kids will start protesting why they go home with a 100k student loans and will try to make an autonomous zone on the football field.
@roris5882
Ай бұрын
Just wait until the Title IX nonsense starts because the greedy people will want to steal the revenue the football players generate. Half the football players may have to identify as females to balance out the scholarships to appease the Biden Admin.
@DTraiN5795
Ай бұрын
😂 doomsday people need to chill. Y’all need to quit watching Josh Pate too bc he feeds into your delusion. I can watch Pate bc I’m not crazy and I know he doesn’t talk about the positive side bc he doesn’t want things to change
So whatever millions the past cfb players think they'll get will go 80% to the lawyers and they get a bag of peanuts. That's how it works... especially in 2024
@DTraiN5795
Ай бұрын
lol this is funny bc it’s true comment
There is 1 thing I can guarantee will happen. The best 300 players in the country will start to only attend big 10 and sec schools. Acc, big 12 and other schools cannot afford to pay these players.
@alexanderdavis6302
Ай бұрын
Good take
Man, where was this when I was in school?? Oh yeah that's right, I went to a D-III school...
lol @ "in 2025" *SMU has entered the chat*
Thanks for clearing a lot of this up. I first heard of this yesterday.
Probably headed towards revenue sharing based on what your sport brings into your individual school.
Lou’s hat game is getting noticed quietly
@ringostarrgazer2419
Ай бұрын
Detroit tigers?
Good to know me and you on the same page Lou.
A workman's comp lawyer's dream
@jamesb0255
Ай бұрын
I'm sure the colleges will have to provide health insurance as they would to any other employee.
@timg5463
Ай бұрын
@@jamesb0255 they already do that.
@jeffreylawson3645
Ай бұрын
😮 So all of this so called "paid back money"going back to 2015/2016 should be paid "based on that players number of games which they Played IN" along with how many of those games that they help to WIN. So if players won X amount of games then they get paid if they played on those games..if those same players played in those games BUT lost then No Money should be paid. Why should past players get paid for either just standing on the sidelines not playing in the games or either playing in games where WINS DIDN'T HAPPEN...why should past losing players get PAID ANYTHING..why should those guys get paid to lose..that's absolutely WRONG🤔 If we are going to treat them as employees then why in the hell do we PAY or reward a BAD EMPLOYEE seems that going back 10 years to 2016 or 2015 based on whenever these regulations get changed within the next 12to24 months for getting PAST PLAYERS PAID will be opening up more and more lawsuits between past players and their past universities. So in oder to prevent more lawsuits it all should be settled by a judge stating that EVERY PAST PLAYER THAT PLAYED EVEN JUST 1 PLAY DURING A WINNING GAME GETS PAID $1K DOLLARS FOR WINNING THAT SAID GAME. BUT if that SAME PLAYER HAVING PLAYED JUST 1 PLAY BUT IN A LOSING GAME THAT PLAYER DOES NOT GET PAID ANY MONEY FOR HIS SERVICES. We should NEVER PAY for negative services..losing games are negative services..hell then why not reimburse the FANS TICKET PRICES whenever their team loses..that sounds just as idiotic as paying past players that played on losing teams.😮
@timg5463
Ай бұрын
@@jeffreylawson3645 Did you ever play the game? If so you know the actual games are no more than 10% of the “work” involved. Stay in the casual fan domain and just enjoy watching the games. Your comment made you look foolish.
@jeffreylawson3645
Ай бұрын
@@timg5463 YES I did play sports all my early years up through my junior college years I play mid baseball level during college. Then went into the military for over 25 year career in order to help pay off my college loans while serving my country.. So F*Ck OFF A$$HolE. I serviced in three combat tours diring my military career in order for you to have your freedom of speak. So I believe I paid the price to voice my opinions and my freedom of speak whether YOU like what I say or not.
The genius of Saben ~
Glad there are now obvious positive advocates for student athletes. There is people working very diligent for athletes and they should be commended because that is what America built on (hard work).
Nice video, Lou!! 👍
this is nuts. college athletics is over. called it several years ago. knew this BS was coming and now it's here. just unbelievable.
@PrimeTimeVol87
Ай бұрын
How's it over? Does the play on the field change? Does the traditions go away? Does crowd noise and fans stop coming? The game we love is not changing because a player gets paid
@stevejones9717
Ай бұрын
@@PrimeTimeVol87 i dont think it's just football....and yes those things can and most likely will change to some degree.
@bjr0467
Ай бұрын
Blame your brethren in the ncaa the chickens have come home to roost I hope they bankrupt the NCAA
@A_Easley
Ай бұрын
@@PrimeTimeVol87traditions have already started going away for the players. Rivalries mean far less now for big teams and the regular season is near dead at this point.
@jamesb0255
Ай бұрын
Like you were the only one that said that 😂😂😂
Lou looks like he's about to drop a mix-tape
LOUIE!!!!! you fucking hung up on me a couple of years ago when I said what would be the difference between the school paying the players and collectives… dont think i forgot! 😁👍🏽
It hasn’t been “college” sports in a long time. I seriously doubt that many athletes can even fill out the admissions application on their own.
Well, I'm not worried -- I'm an Oregon fan, and they have no shortage of funds. Georgia fan such as yourself ain't worried. But fans of a lot of schools probably should be, and that includes even some schools in the SEC. Mississippi State has an extra $20 million sitting around annually? Not sure about that.
College athletic departments are already going up on ticket prices. Concessions will go up, parking etc. soon you will have to take out a loan just to go to a game.
Lou with the Boondocks reference “known unknowns” 15:02
This opened Pandora’s box. With athletes being paid by the schools, I assume there would be no argument that they are employees of the school. Does the NCAA have a right to put a time limit on how long the school and an athlete are allowed to do business together? Meaning will eligibility become an issue later down the line?
How this works with Title 9 will be interesting..
Lou you won’t like it when we can’t get the best players because recruiting will be irrelevant!! A draft will be the next thing coming.
@augustaborn9034
Ай бұрын
I agree. A draft of some sort seems like the direction
@LeskoBrandon2x
Ай бұрын
@@augustaborn9034you can’t tell a kid where he’s gonna go to school. I don’t think a draft is ever gonna happen.
This settlement has to be approved by the judge before it’s finalized. Also this settlement doesn’t include the existing Fontenot class action lawsuit in Colorado.
At this point people claiming "college football is dying" is just becoming the boy who cried wolf
@smokeyrameriz478
Ай бұрын
It's just like the apocalypse people. For some reason they have this weird obsession with seeing the end of it all. It's not ending. It's bigger than ever. It will continue to grow. However the "It's all over" crowd Just can't wait to see the end of it so they can say I told you so. The only problem is it's not going to end. It will only get bigger
@earbo6220
Ай бұрын
What about the group of 5, 1AA, HBCU, division 2 and 3? Do they get paid also? This is a complete joke. Do the Military academy players get paid also or do they not care because they are there for the Academy and academic’s, not just football? Imagine being an Oregon State fan right now. You act like you care right ? What about them? This paying players is a joke and adds to this non sustainable mess. Can’t wait for all the lawsuits moving forward with this. What a system. Let’s change everything and cause chaos. The word change in a world class, phenomenal product, is never a good thing. The transfer portal is a joke.
Uncle Lou going full on Russian UFC fighter beard!
@caymanmickler5443
Ай бұрын
Uncle Loumagomedov
Players have always been able to transfer but they would lose a year of eligibility to reduce the chaos caused by people whose life aspirations were entirely limited to sport. But here we are. Catering people who could care less about the institution has a very predictable outcome.
The sky is falling?....AGAIN???!....CAN WE GET A PROFESSIONAL IN HERE TO NAIL THE SKY UP RIGHT!!!😫
This sucks. College football won’t be the same, period.
This has been coming for a long time. Athletes will become term contract employees. Will this get rid of NIL? No. NFL players get endorsement deals. It may be a situation where part of the NIL deal gets kicked back to the university that the athlete has a contract with. Not sure about that.
John Hopeful was pissed when he found a McDonalds bag with $20k instead of 4 Big Macs. That mixup won’t happen anymore
The game has really changed. It’s just more rules now but it’s harder to play defense because you have to worry about how you tackle the player. There are more penalty calls on defensive players now. A wide receiver can be pushing and shoving but a defensive player does it back flag is called on the defensive player. A defensive player can hit so hard make someone helmet come off , and he’ll still get penalized for just that
Just curious why do you have Fraud St helmet upside down for? I think it’s hilarious
@nicholastaiariol2631
Ай бұрын
It’s probably upside down until they actually leave the ACC
@bglassman08
Ай бұрын
Cause their fans are still crying about being left out of the CFP... even though they knew Michigan would've curb stomped them
@samright4661
Ай бұрын
@@nicholastaiariol2631 No Lou doesn’t care about that. Lou is trolling Fraud St for something bigger!
@samright4661
Ай бұрын
@@bglassman08 Probably! I didn’t think about that great point!!
@jamesb0255
Ай бұрын
@@bglassman08verse would have planted Stroud's ass in the ground. Fisk would have wreaked havoc on that supposed Michigan run game imo. And you can't know that until the game is played on the field.
At risk of sounding like a boomer… won’t this potentially cause a lot of resentment. I’m all for giving players some pocket change. Same way a regular student can work while going to school for some beer money so should a football player. That said, if we’re talking 100k+ I could see an issue. So your average Joe has to take out big loans to attend school. A football player not only gets to go for free, not only gets special perks (chef, facilities etc.) now on top of that they’re getting 6 figure incomes? Not saying they don’t deserve it, but a huge part of college football is the the bond between students/fans and the players. I’m concerned this may cause a lot of resentment.
@fridaddyfri1706
Ай бұрын
Especially when the highly paid player has a garbage game.
@cacogenicist
Ай бұрын
Non-football-playing students arent generating that sort of revenue, while putting their brains and spinal cords and knees on the line. Gridiron is a dangerous collision sport.
All the non football basketball players are in for a rude awakening when they don't get nothing
This will certainly not be the death of college football. But, it could end it for some programs. At least as we know it. IMO this will accelerate the separation of the elite teams / conferences and everyone else. Many schools simply won't be able to pay the 20 million. And if they opt out, how can they hope to compete with the Bama's, UGA's, etc. Lou is right, college football Saturday is still going to be great like it always has been at the top level. The question really is what does this do to all of the smaller programs. Not to mention the other college sports. From a business perspective, this adds 20 million in costs, but does not increase revenue. So schools will need to raise prices and / or cut costs to off set it. That could mean cutting other sports, firing administrative personnel, etc. etc. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
There is one big party being planned by the boosters at SMU right now as they can now open those checkbooks a lot bigger now AND do it LEAGALLY!!! LOL🤣🤣🤣
@aaronclay4665
Ай бұрын
better yet, they can sue the NCAA for unfarily giving them the death pentialy all them years ago? fuck the ncaa they were cheating and doing htis for half a centenary , they get all they desserver
Sounds like Dabo protecting his culture may work out in 3 years. A salary cap is coming and everyone will be back to 2018 with paid players.
Lou is that a Detroit Tigers hat?!
The Naked and Famous - Young Blood
Let it rain!
maybe the schools can give the player a choice of being an employee or not...
I hear private ownership is where it’s headed…would anyone be angry if Joe Simpson owned the Dawgs? We will compete in perpetuity! Go Dawgs!
WOW! Not sure how this is going to turnout. SMH
@smokeyrameriz478
Ай бұрын
You won't notice a difference.
I feel like we are 10 years from a collective bargaining agreement where there are salary caps, contracts, and a league that can be fair
Lou I want to make a bet. My bet is South Carolina over 5.5 put 50 on it
Thanks to CLICK U, Colorado 😂😂😂
I fully expect a lawsuit from Jeremy Pruitt any day now, lol
Recruiting will matter again.
Wonder what Nevin Shapiro thinks
I'm happy about all this,maybe level the playing field some
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
They said that about the portal and the same teams keep winning. They said that about NIL and the same teams keep winning.
@Matchee71
Ай бұрын
@@crazyunclelouagreed. The teams that care the most about football will stay on top. You can’t cap NIL and schools will decide how to allocate the money.
I would absolutely lose my s*** if they Bring a college draft. An a NFL Type trades That would be hilarious
I thought they been doing that since 2019 aka pre covid
Having to be better than the next guy in front of you, to make it to the nfl, to get paid. In my opinion is how it’s supposed to be. At 23 years old, my generation wants everything handed to them at this point. It’s fucking sad
This sport has officially been destroyed! 😠
Does this make them a professional football player? This I would think, takes away the importance of an education.
If they do become employees at least teams can make then play bowl games. Thatll make the FSU man happy
@joshs2138
Ай бұрын
All they have to do is fake injuries and they will.
Some universities don't even make 20 million
@smokeyrameriz478
Ай бұрын
Then they won't be getting the elite athletes will they?
This ruling is what NIL is supposed to be… The school cutting a player in for profiting on that players Name Image & Likeness.
There was a number that said Tennessee had 700 varsity athletes. 20M / 700 would be around little over 28k a year per if it was even (which I assume it will need to be to avoid title IX issues).
@aaronclay4665
Ай бұрын
nah fuck title 9..........give the money to the ppl bringing it in............all you need to do is divide bye % income that each sport bring in example football bfing in 80% of the income from sports then football gets 80% of that 20 million or 16 million to spend on there players( im sure there will be a base and then you can spend more on indivusal ones) but you dont HAVE TO SPEND 20 MILLION thats just the cap. you dont have to play anyone anything
@A_Easley
Ай бұрын
@@aaronclay4665the big universities will have to spend the 20M to compete. Imagine in the SEC Texas is spending 20M and Tennessee is not. Tennessee loses recruits. But regardless of how you feel about Title IX, they will have to split it up evenly. Women’s basketball brings in less than men’s basketball, but that is a lawsuit waiting to happen if they do not get the same pay. Colleges operate differently than most pro sports organizations.
@MrDrewmooz
Ай бұрын
@@A_Easleyno I don’t think so. Think about current budgets and spending. Schools spend magnitudes more on Football vs any women’s sports. And that’s completely legal. This will be no different. All going to revenue generating sports.
@A_Easley
Ай бұрын
@@MrDrewmooz Spending money isn’t illegal. Football also has far more players. There is no possible way to spend a similar amount of money on 15 scholarship players compared to 85. I promise you when it comes to compensation at the college level, schools won’t get away with paying women a quarter of what men will get.
@MrDrewmooz
Ай бұрын
@@A_Easley your point is invalid. Mens basketball vs women’s basketball. Same #players more money spent on men’s, no lawsuits. Same with Men’s and Women’s Hockey. Baseball vs Softball. Women might get a small sliver of the $20M but it won’t be even close to 50/50 lol. And it shouldn’t. Men’s sports subsidize Women’s and you need to invest in Men’s sports to be able to continue to support the rest.
The NFL should just make a minor league and be done with it. If the kid doesnt give two shits about education and wants to be paid to play football for NFL scouts, fine. Who cares? Minor League. Let college football be about college students and traditions of college rivalries and the like. I know the colleges giving up the money is a pipe dream. The elite players will lose out on this. No more under the table money that isn't taxed. You are owned now.
Lou got the pigskin peete beard. I got the same one though
Some of the bigger names of the past should be able to sue for a bunch of money
Shoot I wouldn’t be surprised if the ncaa wash its hands w cfb and deal w all the other sports and let cfb govern itself now
I’m sure I’m pretty lost on this issue, but all I see that changed is schools are allowed to pay up to $20m each year for their roster. I still don’t see how this has to do with NIL collectives at all, or the portal. If anything this could make players/families/agents even more greedy and they’ll sit out. Either make it fully professional or eliminate the NIL collectives.
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
When the players become employees, they will sign contracts that limit their transfers. This does nothing about NIL collective though.
Wait til they unionize and during playoffs
BREAKING NEWS: Ohio State moves all college football players salaries into a fundraiser for Time Machine research
Now he’s a tigers fan
Are they going to be 1099 contractors? Government wins again.
When you start lookin like pigskin Pete that means it’s time to shave
It’s called a professional sport now. Minor league football.
Now *hopefully* school's can't use NIL as an excuse for getting the fans to fund their entire football program
Non-compete agreements
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
Might have to sign a contract like pros, but non-competes were recently made illegal nationwide.
Carolina Jackpot’s team will loose any quality player they have next year when Universities start paying players. There Athletics Director is horrible. He couldn’t raise money even selling girls Scout cookies. They have already lost a lot of 5 star players and let me tell you they didn’t have many. That school and their NIL could not rub two pennies together. They’re poor then dirt.
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
Loose? Ok voltard
I liked it better when players were starving because they played harder because they wanted to afford food one day. Poor me, poor fans.
Its great that players are getting payed but ever since the nil thing started cfb has simply turned into NFL Jr college players wanna get payed so they can catch up to nfl players and that's what cfb is about now just hope people can clam down bout it though
No no, college football paying coaches 10M per year was when it was ruined. All the pearl clutching in the comment section is ridiculous
preach 18:46
Lou, Canes fan here, just wondering, back in the day Miami could not afford shit to pay players (although we tried). We now have a pretty good NIL program that is on par with ALL the best football universities in the country. Does this mean that, again, the bigger state schools will who have more of a budget, will kill us again? I think Miami fans feel like we can finally compete with the BIG10 and SEC paying players. Down the road, I am not sure how this will affect our chances as a small private school. Any comment on this? Thanks, Lou. Love your channel!
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
$20 million salary cap for every school regardless of revenue.
@earbo6220
Ай бұрын
You will never compete again until you finally build a stadium closer to campus. Hard rock stadium is a joke for the canes. The new additions made it a sauna and most fans don’t want to go.
Should give Todd Gurley, the Heisman then 😂 he was cheated out of a Heisman
Lou I don’t think they’ll be able to put a cap on CFB for a few reasons. For one CFB has always been elitist and always will be so parity in CFB will never happen like it did in the NFL. Two I think the genie is out the bottle and they will fight to not let big time collectives or individual NIL deals go away. I’m not exactly sure how it will all work out but some salary cap shouldn’t happen. That will try to create something that won’t happen and it will go back to the days teams will go back to paying players under the table again. Yeah for some that’s okay bc as long as they don’t see it then it’s okay but it’s not
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
Cap is 20 million. Starts next season.
@DTraiN5795
Ай бұрын
@@crazyunclelou the universities have to pay? I guess I missed that part or misunderstood. And that’s for all sports?
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
Yes.
Chicken Little. Chicken Little
“College football is evolving and I can’t cope.”
@crazyunclelou
Ай бұрын
Try harder. You'll be OK.
@crazydrummer181
Ай бұрын
That was directed at the people crying about it dying btw.
Such a weird take on people who are opposed to this So because you liked something you're okay with exploitive business practices? Also people are so stupid, everytime something is new there is a period of chaos. That chaos isnt permanent, this is the beginning of the new normal after the transition from a chaotic period Look at the first home owners in America back when it was founded versus today Look at the crypto rush when it was unsanctioned There are so many different scenarios you can point to show the chaotic evolution of something that is remarkly different once it becomes regulated Not everything will be perfect but it wont look like it's looked in 3-5 years from now
😔
Colleges have enough money to pay players with the sky rocketed tuition (Thanks, Obama).
@areguapiri
Ай бұрын
It's Obama's fault!
I think this is a good thing in terms of getting the transfer portal and NIL somewhat under control finally. This is the first step in fixing the NCAA’s stupid mistakes.
@BigDaddyDoc93
Ай бұрын
I agree with you about this because there's only so much money in the collective and some will get tired of pouring in it and this is the best alternative
@earbo6220
Ай бұрын
What caused the NCAA’s stupid mistakes? Do you have a real, knowledgeable, factual answer? Or just an opinion?
@BigDaddyDoc93
Ай бұрын
@@earbo6220 wtf do you think dmass how about you do you have anything more than a smart mouth
Biden got rid of title 9 bro!
Why does Lou look like he just got finished fighting in a cage match? Face is kinda swollen on one side, and his beard screams, "Eastern European."
You didn't make $80 million if you're in the ACC 😂😂
Get that $$$$$$
Honestly, as long as my team continues to dominate, i dont give a F-AQ.
Not Guaranteed that the sky is falling, but could it? Yes Five years from now, I’m not supporting some random bunch of dudes in G helmets vs. Another random bunch of dudes in T helmets who all jump the following year to another college team or the NFL for $50 more
@brianhaynes9972
Ай бұрын
That is basically what it is now
@smokeyrameriz478
Ай бұрын
That's been happening since the transfer portals started. Doubled when NIL started. You're still watching. You're not seeing an entire team of kids from the state of Georgia wearing the G? You're seeing kids from around the country who went to the school where they thought the best benefits were. Has been for a long time
FSU football players get even less cause they have to divide the money to the clowns on scholarship for their circus degree.
@caseymiller5257
Ай бұрын
lol Canes fan. Pot calling the kettle black.
@jamesb0255
Ай бұрын
At least our circus does not exist on the football field. Take a knee and crawl back under your bridge.
Here come the boycotts
Terrible, shouldn’t pay players directly. RIP CFB
@rja9797
Ай бұрын
Why? So they can slave over your entertainment?
Since it’s such a moral imperative to pay players because they are “the reason the colleges make so much money”. Then I guess all of those that participate in net negative revenue sports should have to pay the university. This is all so stupid. Whenever Texas and the other usual suspects win all the titles forever tell me how happy about it people will be. Makes the game cheap. And everyone will forever say “your team only won because they bought all the best players”. And that sucks. This whole assumption that they make money off of their name was always a lie. If Caleb Williams played for Idaho st. no one would have cared. Let’s call it what it is. The guys with the most money win. If that’s what we want then yay. This isn’t about players getting paid this is about the richest teams getting what they want to stay rich. Hook em
@gabeswitala2292
Ай бұрын
When exactly was the last time anyone BUT "the usual suspects" won a NC?
@johnjohnson1997
Ай бұрын
@@gabeswitala2292 clemson lsu, as of recent. Even teams like that will be out of the mix. Sorry I just don’t wanna see titles being won by 5 schools forever and all the other teams being desperately behind them. You allow Texas’s athletic department to start paying players at free will and they will have ALL the best players. Will that be ALL the titles, no. But it will amount to a lot. I’m the biggest Texas fan in the world but I don’t want them to win like that. There has to be limits. There are limits in all other sports so hopefully some will be imposed here somehow. Guess we will see how it turns out. Clemson is new money and lsu is a one off in 20 years and really hasn’t challenged for the SEC much. If you think they are usual suspects the. You must be 25 years old. Please don’t be naive. We all know who can operate in this environment and there aren’t many.
@gabeswitala2292
Ай бұрын
@johnjohnson1997 "You must be 25 YO" Bless your heart I've been around the game long enough son to remember Clemson being nationally relevant and winning a natty pre 2K. And I wouldn't go casting LSU as one of the "unusual suspects". Now if you wanted to discuss say Rutgers and Indiana that would be a much better example.
this isnt good. sat what u want. its not CF anymore. its minor league NFL
Colleges paying the athletes...this is gonna hurt the academic students and families,,who are already struggling to put their kids through school,,,tuitions, housing, food programs, all those prices will rise,,also all ticket prices, concessions, at these sporting events all will rise...believe me the schools are not gonna lose money, those cost will just be passed on to the consumers and non athletic students....its BS...at the point the schools pays the athletes then said athlete should be responsible for their own housing, tuition, food cost...if they wanna be payed like an adult, then they should pay adult bills...