IF YOU HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION TO BE FREE YOU'RE NOT FREE

@otm1942

8 жыл бұрын

+Og maco Sheesh Agreed: if you have to ask a government permission to exercise a right, you are not free and it is no longer a right but a privilege granted by the people in power. All those who claimed that the 2nd Amendment was no longer relevant and wanted all the gun control laws passed were warned by the pro-gun rights people that if we allowed the government to control this one right, free speech would be attacked next. After which comes the infringement of our right of protection against unwarranted searches (which has now been declared LEGAL by our WI state supreme court!). And so the blatant erosion of our first and forth amendment rights begins, just as predicted. Why am I not surprised?

@Tr1Hard777

8 жыл бұрын

+otm1942 I blame the school system cause when I was in history class kids thought there where 52 states and had NOOOOO CLUE what Congress was or the bill of rights so...... I blame common core 100% I had to be a little bit of a rebel to stand up for what was American and moral in school cause (liberal) teachers would try to teach us half assed history and common facts.... it's so annoying seeing so many people of my age group voting for Bernie they simply have no understanding or pride for the country they live in BTW I got a 95% on my citizens test when everybody else fucks of getting 60%s all over the place soory for the rant but politics pisses me off but I feel like I have to stand up for what's right

@christianbeaupre7989

8 жыл бұрын

+Mufti Husayni, Nazi General, Palestine MUSLIM OFFICIAL google it: IslamicPogromsOnJewsBEFOREzionism Lol, ok buddy. You do realize that Hitler's definition of self is worth absolutely nothing in an academic analysis of what he was right? An analysis of his party and his policies are what counts. He was technically a Neo-Fascist actually.

@MrRondonmon

8 жыл бұрын

+Og maco Sheesh Curse words are not acceptable when it is in a public place. I do not lie the Marxist Obama, but the F word was the problem.

@Tr1Hard777

8 жыл бұрын

MrRondonmon Why not its free speech

My rights don't end at your feelings. I say this often and want it to spread.

@malvolio01

8 жыл бұрын

+Meatbyproducts Look, I love me some Obama, and I absolutely agree. You're perfectly free to criticize whoever you want. And I'll keep criticizing your guys. ;) Not all liberals agree with this fascistic b.s..

@meatbyproducts

8 жыл бұрын

+Sean L. I am not a left or right.

@MrSilus2000

8 жыл бұрын

+Meatbyproducts If they had to request permission to put up this wall in the middle of campus, it never was a freedom issue to begin with. It's sad that people are responding to the name it was given, rather than what it actually was.

@jw11432

8 жыл бұрын

+MrSilus2000 so we meet again on a different video! well at least we're agreeing whole-heartedly on this one. ;)

@bookguitarguy

8 жыл бұрын

+MrSilus2000 Your logic (or rather, your lack thereof) is truly astounding. "If they had to request permission to put up this wall in the middle of campus, it never was a freedom issue to begin with." How the hell (in your mind, anyway) does B follow from A?? Your words are ridiculous (in a fascistic kind of way)... and I loathe ultraliberalism and much as I loathe the extreme right. Pretty ironic when "liberals" morph into fascists, and censor Republicans or Libertarians who disagree with them! But again, how the hell does the fact that they were required to ask permission to conduct an experiment involving the exercise of their guaranteed first amendment rights, on an "institute of higher learning" campus, no less, make this not a "freedom of speech issue" (when someone who objects to the content for political reasons objects to it, and is able to censor their freedom of speech in public)... in your tortured, ultraliberal mindset?? I'm fascinated to know what goes on inside your mind (and the minds of those who think likewise) to come up with your non-sequitur conclusions!!! :O)

"Free speech is legal until it offends someone?" "Yes." "...I find that offensive." *officers head explodes*

its funny how this is 5 years ago and its even worse now

@paulthompson9668

6 жыл бұрын

And look at the Lindsay Shepherd affair in Canada!

@cloaker3.036

6 жыл бұрын

GigaByte what the ability to not have freedom of speech. I now just who to blame for that my furry friend. They go by the name antifa.

@mrsalty1019

6 жыл бұрын

It won't sound as catchy but antifa doesn't deserve the 'anti' in their name.

@cloaker3.036

6 жыл бұрын

Mrsalty101 what their new name is just going to be fa. That is going to be the funniest name ever to hear at a protest.

@cfcreative1

6 жыл бұрын

There is no need for obscenities in free speech look at history the majority of protests successful protests occurred without any profanity.

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire

@dravenwag

7 жыл бұрын

Voltaire didn't say this. literally he never said this. the original quote is from a neo nazi eugenic proponent who was angry that people didn't wanna hear his dumb shit

@bartinthetrulyepic6709

7 жыл бұрын

regardless of who said it, it isnt wrong. :2

@lewis9574

7 жыл бұрын

Zinger who's Voltaire?

@seyiojewale7907

7 жыл бұрын

Yes CRITICIZE, not insult...

@bartinthetrulyepic6709

7 жыл бұрын

Theres no meaningful difference. Critique is viewed as an insult to the easily offended, therefore both critique and insult must be defended in equal parts. :2 To advocate for selective censorship dictated by the sensibilities of the time is to potentially silence the truth. :2

Good to see students actually standing up for free speech.

@MrSilus2000

8 жыл бұрын

+peronkop There is a difference between free speech and a "free speech wall". One is an idea this country was founded on, the other was a name given to advertisement space for students to write on. Get past the name.

@Corathor

8 жыл бұрын

+peronkop Except that they didn't stand up for it, they bowed and ultimately let their speech be taken away.

@RobertJamesChinneryH

7 жыл бұрын

it was a given when I was at McMaster University-now the place is filled with students drowning out anyone they don't like and accusing opponents of m103 to be racists and fascists and Nazis ...look in the mirror folks-

@nestorsdragon8057

7 жыл бұрын

Dre Zee What? Bullshit

@RogalloShaolin

7 жыл бұрын

+Nestors Dragon What a clearly articulated and thought through counter argument. Bravo

That professor committed vandalism. He should be arrested and sentenced to 15 years in prison. The police officer should be arrested for corruption and abuse of authority. The college administration should be sued into bankruptcy.

@peteranon8455

6 жыл бұрын

I agree with the charges, but vandalism is like 30 days in jail. More importantly, the government should sanction the school for censoring students.

@AlexanderTheGoodEnough

6 жыл бұрын

fairly certain that the "police" in this situation are the private campus security guards, and not the city police force. was the same issue with the Evergreen campus debacle.

@johnmckenzie6661

2 жыл бұрын

They should have blocked the professors path to keep him away from the sign. If he tried to get through them while holding a boxcutter he'd be guilty of assaulting students with a deadly weapon. That would have really taught him a lesson.

America, where the people are scared of words.

@OrigRobEasy

6 жыл бұрын

K3ITH Price its like that all over the world, in Canada you can criticize Islam

@ricola9533

6 жыл бұрын

K3ITH Price Only Lefties are

@richardshort3914

6 жыл бұрын

*Humanless God* That's _can't_ criticize Islam. Our Prime Minister believes truth is hate speech. (No, I'm not kidding.)

@OrigRobEasy

6 жыл бұрын

Richard Short I ment can’t

@spacemonkey9257

6 жыл бұрын

Keith not all of us are scared of words just the worst of us

"Still Fuck Obama" that's good! LMFAO

@Sam-vi2ho

6 жыл бұрын

Guy with a sign: "Fuck Boxcutters"

That professor should be fired.

@adrianghandtchi1562

7 жыл бұрын

Nexus Clarum then we are no different

@Jonseredi

7 жыл бұрын

Nexus Clarum Man you are dumb

@adrianghandtchi1562

7 жыл бұрын

Blodørn I am retarded, I don't understand in anything about the world, I'm everything you want me too be just for you to feel ok on this globe.

@Mr1234d

7 жыл бұрын

Nexus Clarum indeed he should be but there's something protecting him. The Supreme Court in multiple cases has deemed it legal for schools to limit free speech and while the way said professor went about using that to his advantage is bullshit there is not much one can do. All in all though it's total fucking BS that someone's allowed to limit a right because of the court treating students like children

@landonpowell6296

7 жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Every single subject, at it's core, revolves around free speech.

If it said f trump there would have been no issue

@deadarmd

6 жыл бұрын

Toasty Time trump wasnt around....it aint always about Trump (the guy who thinks ppl should be fired for kneeling which is considered a sign of respect, in front of the flag)

@jacobmurphy8093

6 жыл бұрын

IzPopTime Kneeling in front of the American flag isn't a sign of respect moron and it is being done as sign of disrespect. I don't pay all that money to watch spoiled athletes cry about being "oppressed". It is pathetic. I am not allowed to go to my job and protest and these guys shouldn't be either. That is the reason the NFL lost so much money this season. People agree with me a lot more than they do your ridiculous take on it.

@HastelloyC276

6 жыл бұрын

most shitty unheard of media outlets try to ride trump to gain attention and profit, sensationalism my friend and he is right you can say fuck trump a lot more loosely instead of fuck Obama ( peaking of when he was still president)

@01Questar

6 жыл бұрын

IzPopTime correct but that is NOT the intended purpose of the kneeling.

@ralfie8801

6 жыл бұрын

Yes it is, it's their way of disrespecting the constitution, their (and your BS) about it not being disrespectful is a lie.

Legal action for free speech? Is this America anymore?

I bet if you said f Trump it would have stayed.

@PhoenixSplash

7 жыл бұрын

Fuck Trump Fuck Obama Fuck em all!

@Joshua-ev9uw

6 жыл бұрын

LJ Little J that's not even a question. It'd be a celebration

@Trollificusv2

6 жыл бұрын

You'd let him grab you by the....wait, whattaya got?

@nichiniker

6 жыл бұрын

LJ Little J the prof would’ve written it

@jaykob2482

6 жыл бұрын

LJ Little J Big facts!

That name, though. If I had her name I would quote myself all the time. "It's the internet, dude. Get over yourself" - Morgan Freeman "I'm going to vote for Donald Trump" - Morgan Freeman

@farleygranger

8 жыл бұрын

I know...a smart morgan freeman.....the actor thinks iran deal is going to keep our kids safe...plays a good God though...

@Dakarn

7 жыл бұрын

Morgan Freeman (Actor) is smart, though, farley. He's stated multiple times that the way to get rid of "race" problems is to simply stop talking about them. To stop calling people "Black people" or "White people", and just call them people.

@RandomCarrot2806

7 жыл бұрын

Even the smartest man alive has blind spots and biases.

@Wavemaninawe

7 жыл бұрын

Logi Rogi Until that dire day, when you get a phone call from the Man himself.

@bobbycosimini1399

7 жыл бұрын

FAA Inspector I'll pray for you whether you like it or not.

Great to see a young person that still believes in the rights and freedoms that make america great. I am Canadian btw

@richardshort3914

6 жыл бұрын

*Jeff Ferguson* I agree and I am also Canadian.

It's incredible how much worse this has gotten in the five years since this video was posted.

@avengemybreath3084

Жыл бұрын

And … five more years and worse yet

Fire the cop fire the professor PROBLEM SOLVED

@Idolcruisefix

7 жыл бұрын

"Fire the cop, fire the professor " loose half your funding, fiat money, puppet indoctrination center shuts down, get on the internet and open a book store to fund a library.

@turtlegirl1621

6 жыл бұрын

The police officer most likely didn't have much of a choice

The first time I went to college I had a similar thing happen. The difference is I had the balls to force their hand and made them try to arrest and charge me. It backfired on them big time. The college tried to have me expelled, the police brought me to the station and tried to intimidate me but when they both realized I was in it for the long haul the harasment ended quickly.

@LiangRome

8 жыл бұрын

+TheEagle12901 Hell yes. More people should do this and tell their story so people don't get the wrong and idea to cower in a corner.

her eyes make me sleepy

@hcwcars1

6 жыл бұрын

She has that do it to me again look going on

@nopemcnope9346

6 жыл бұрын

same

@silveravnt

6 жыл бұрын

baked

Noam Chomsky Quote. “If you believe in freedom of speech, you believe in freedom of speech for views you don't like. ... If you're in favor of freedom of speech, that means you're in favor of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise.” Always stand of for your first amendment. Passive Compliance allows these bullies to get away with violating Rights of the American Public. Always stand up for Free Speech. or one day we won't have it anymore.

@avengemybreath3084

Жыл бұрын

Also Chomsky: people should be coerced to inject an experimental drug or not be allowed to participate in society.

it is so refreshing to see at least some of this generation still believes in free speech

@InSuBoRdInAtEo7

7 жыл бұрын

Ty Guy To an extent... They still tore down the wall under the threat of a misdemeanor. The youth still cave too easily. They need to shed their cowardice.

The Left can tolerate all forms of diversity except diversity of opinion. You MUST agree with the Left.

While I disagree with the profanity, I support everyone's right to free speech. Good work you guys.

If someone had written “F-Trump”, there would’ve been ZERO backlash from “Professor Von Woke”

You shouldn't have taken it down. Instead, cover up the Obama part with "CENSORED BY A PROFESSOR AT SAM HOUSTON STATE." No name, just a factual statement. I'd love to see where he would've gone from there.

@sterlingwilson9830

8 жыл бұрын

+G. Johnson I like it. +1

@AwoudeX

8 жыл бұрын

+G. Johnson that would be in compliance and still be a fuck you without actually saying the words. nice ;p

@UMosNyu

8 жыл бұрын

+AwoudeX THought the same. This free-speech-wall was censored by someone.

@chenrobbins

8 жыл бұрын

+G. Johnson Sounds doable in hindsight. Not sure there is any reason not to put his name, though... :)

@Corathor

8 жыл бұрын

+chenrobbins To make it clear who the prick was that wanted to censor speech.

This is my ideal girl. U go Morgan Freeman!

@NYYBBTeam

7 жыл бұрын

tha1ne she is certainly intelligent and on the right side in every way. what I like the best is that all student groups agreed that they could post whatever they wanted on this wall. That is truly free speech.

@mtb416

7 жыл бұрын

1ForAllandAllForAll No, assuming the professors act was accurately reported (which I believe it was), it is he who acted like a child. Or, to use a more accurate term for an adult: fascist. Vulgarity, as in, swearing, has its place and is in no way less intellectual when used properly. Swear words are words just as much as other words are words. Sounds simple, right? I understand your point, but your point is besides the point. The point is a professor chose to deliberately vandalize a specific portion of a wall because he likely disagreed with it. This is antithetical to the founding principles of this country, let alone the supposed mission statement of every university out there. *Most of all*, I think you're ignoring that fact that the visceral nature of the "Fuck" in the "Fuck Obama" writing is what caused this professor to show his true colors. Not only does he have an antipathy toward those who disagree with him, but such language makes him take fascist action toward it. In this respect, the use of "vulgarity" served a fine purpose: exposing a person who does not believe in real freedom of expression.

@4nd3rzzon

7 жыл бұрын

I never thought I would be attracted to Morgan Freeman

good for you! that's so nice to hear that we have open minds in school! college is a place to be challenged, not censored.

This was a sign of things to come.

I'm a liberal and I think what that professor did was disgusting.

@Snowcrest289

8 жыл бұрын

+needles1987 Maybe you're a conservative and/or Libertarian and don't know it.

@needles1987

8 жыл бұрын

+Snowcrest Nope. I'm very much a liberal.

@groopsecks

8 жыл бұрын

#notallliberals

@bobcrunch

8 жыл бұрын

There is a huge difference between "Liberal" and "Leftist". The dictionary definition of liberal is tolerant, free, etc. What you're seeing here is Leftism. Remember the word: Leftism. Virtually all colleges are controlled by Leftists (when they were free they were controlled by liberals). The Democratic Party has been taken over by the Left and the leaders are indistinguishable: Obama, Hillary, Reid, Feinstein, Bernie, etc. They are interchangeable. Example of a liberal: John Kennedy (read his inaugural speech - "Ask not what your country can do for you ..."). Today's Democrat would choke on those words. The Left does not tolerate free speech. The Left is inherently tyrannical. Look at "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky for the best explanation of Leftism. Always attack the person, not ideas. What's happening today is best explained by the book, "The Closing of the American Mind".

@howardfortyfive9676

8 жыл бұрын

Are you sure you're a liberal *cuz you don't sound like a liberal.*

can i cut out all the Fs i´ve ever gotten too? they really offend me

@Toadyru

6 жыл бұрын

The school can not protect students from You Tube. Cable TV. Movies. Comics. Anime. Sports fan talk. Talk Radio. AND any other media/entertainment out there. The liberal SJW, PC crowds are the problem. They define what is hate. They define what is offensive. Was it offensive when Sarah Palin and her family were humiliated years ago? Liberals ate it up. When Rush Limbaugh nearly lost his hearing they laugh and celebrated his career is over. When Vice President Dick Cheney had anther heart attack they laugh. Joked about it. **The "right" thank god understands and still cherish freedoms. Even when liberals are offensive.

Good for you. I hope this group is still going and still growing.

Not taking that misdemeanor was the worst financial mistake of your life!

They should have refused to take it down and then sued the University when they pressed charges. fucking rediculous

So, we have a POLICE OFFICER saying you can't practice the First Amendment because it hurt someone's feelings. Grow up! You know what hurts my feelings!? You! And sinece you hurt my feelings you can't say anything to anyone or you might offend them like you did me.

@meyaenyo2593

7 жыл бұрын

Hehe but you know what they'll say, your feelings don't matter because (insert dumb reason here) but mainly go to reason is white, male, not a Liberal.

@JD-xz1mx

7 жыл бұрын

Well, it's probably more accurate to say we have a police officer saying you can't practice the first amendment because the police are overly used to whomever runs a piece of land getting control over it and not thinking too much about it.

@ShaggyRogers1

7 жыл бұрын

Grace the Great I was personally threatened with jail time just last weekend for nothing but complying with orders and speaking out loud. Not even disrespect or yelling, just talking. fuck cops these days

@dsbeerf

7 жыл бұрын

Shaggy Rogers Sounds horrible!! What, EXACTLY, were you saying, and Where, EXACTLY, we're you whilst you were saying it?

Glad I graduated from college when I did. I wouldn't be able to handle myself around these liberals of today. Somebody would get hurt and I'm sure I'd be kicked out of school.

@9livesgamers864

6 жыл бұрын

I'd say the opposite. I went to college in 2004 and got a nonsense degree so 13 years later I'm back in school at the young age of 31. Watching young people argue is cute, it's all emotion and passion. We see the extreme on KZread every day but 90% aren't like that. However I visited my brother persueing a masters at Scad (savanna college of art and design) and that's where I ran into the extreme. They even took the day off after the election due to emotional trauma (brother said he saw professors literally crying in the halls). I derailed any political talk with them by saying all the poc I knew voted for Trump, which was true. Most of these people had never had a non white friend in their lives so telling them what real people of color thought blew their mind and narrative.

@qazwiz

6 жыл бұрын

Even the obama phone woman came out for trump.... saw her turn-around video after seeing the "obama vs trump" meme showing her. "she got a $20 cell phone, he (a black man in a business suit) got a $2000 tax reduction"

Sad that colleges aren't about learning new ideas, debating, & free speech. So sad this is happening! Thanks for the video, & sharing! ! Bless you, stay strong, & challenge group think !!

I would rather have been arrested.

all it takes is one snowflake to cause an avalanche

If the cop walked up to me and told me to take it down I would have said "Arrest me! I want to be a millionaire." It would be a slam dunk lawsuit.

This is the kind of stuff that can miraculously bring hope to the future of our country and humanity as a whole. I knew there were some humans left in this world.

Libertarian, that's what's up girl! Glad to see more Libertarians coming together!

A whole misdemeanor and you took it down. Glad u didn't head the civil rights movement.

@terrybear5398

8 жыл бұрын

+zdwade Excellent point! Spot on. Thank you.

@MrSilus2000

8 жыл бұрын

+zdwade Great comparison.

@morningmadera

8 жыл бұрын

Get this person some more likes!

@MrSilus2000

8 жыл бұрын

+Terry Bear I'd hate to see what else you think is "spot on".

@chenrobbins

8 жыл бұрын

+zdwade It is always easy to say someone else should make sacrifices. Me, I wouldn't have taken it down, if only because they were probably bluffing... but I don't expect them to throw away their academic careers and time just to make the point in the way I would.

Over 8 years later and it continues to get worse. This is nothing compared to what we see now.

@abitupthehudson

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that isn't how the left operates. They have been doing this for more than 100 years and they don't stop. Being vigilant is a very important part of success.

You should have denied further action concerning your wall. Let them falsely arrest you or have to call their bluff.

" To learn who rules you, find out who you cannot criticise. " - Voltaie

@Itsmeeman1

7 жыл бұрын

Voltaire never said that. My mistake. It was a Neo Nazi group that came up with that quote about the Jews.

It's interesting to me how talking about murdering Trump is okay but saying you don't like Obama is wrong.

@nicholasspruitenburg2809

7 жыл бұрын

Wishing to murder the president is a crime. Did she get arrested or tried for that? People criticising you is always going to happen no matter what you do, but when you commit a crime and don't get punished, or don't commit a crime (free speech) and do get punished, it sends the wrong message.

@ProperlyGaming

7 жыл бұрын

Nicholas Spruitenburg wishing to murder someone isn't illegal, planning it out would make it illegal but just wishing you could do it isnt

@fyr3st0rm35

7 жыл бұрын

This.

@cookiewaa

7 жыл бұрын

aww..you guys triggered Urrcreavesh.

@niteshademusic5262

7 жыл бұрын

rite?

Good for you. Keep fighting.

😂😂😂 pause 4:26 far left it a sign says fcuk boxcutters lolol

@rossrainey2712

6 жыл бұрын

brent white box cutters did 9/11. Which is true maybe we should ban them?

their first mistake was taking the wall down.

Why do we not know the professor's and the police officer's names?

@BillyMinnow

7 жыл бұрын

2:00 look at the left part of the screen. No idea if that's actually him. Just going off of context.

@harrykuheim6107

7 жыл бұрын

Find out their names, phone numbers, and addresses....Publish them...

Fight! Well done 👍

What were you thinking?! Id take that misdemeanor with a grin. Thatd be an awesome addition during a job interview which is the point of college.

Wow! Can you believe youtube steered me toward this? KZread, like Google, seems to me to be the last place you are going to be steered toward anything Constitutional, and more particularly things pro-1st Amendment or pro-2nd Amendment... I've been slapped down by youtube without explanation (they took away my long video ability for no reason and no explanation) because, almost certainly, that I am a conservative. Has this happened to anyone else?... no explanation, just downgrade an account? College kids FOR free speech? I'm extremely proud of this group. This young lady GETS IT and gets it exactly right, that is, free speech isn't free speech if we're not allowed to speak freely. Can I say GOD BLESS you guys? I think so.... oh yeah, I can, that's in the same Amendment.... ;-)

@Kitties_are_pretty

8 жыл бұрын

+mollesjohn I think you may have had your upload length reduced and some of your videos taken down due to automatic copyright complaints. There's a draconian system of detecting copyright infringement, and to prevent exposing themselves to liability they set the bar very low for automatic removal. This doesn't mean you've infringed on any copyright, the automatic system can't tell whether you have, it just tries to make a guess. Though I can't blame you for suspecting it's because of your conservatism, you guys are being very, very unfairly treated these days. If you're interested in restoring your account/videos, there are videos on KZread describing the process. Just be aware that going through the process may expose you to liability if the original copyright claim was valid. Best of luck from Canada, we admire your great republic : )

@mollesjohn

8 жыл бұрын

+Joshua Brooks No... when I had my length reduced, it just happened, I had no notices or warnings at all from anyone anywhere... they just did it. It was much later that I got one of those messages and other things were inhibited, like unlisted and private youtube videos would no longer be allowed. I'm saying that they increased my original length time without any explanation and reduced it later without any explanation. They do it just because they can, and I'm sure it's in the fine print that they may do things to your account without any explanation whatsoever, I have just never read the fine print, but I'm sure it's there.

@InSuBoRdInAtEo7

7 жыл бұрын

mollesjohn They still tore the wall down under the threat of a misdemeanor. The youth need to shed their cowardice and learn to not to give in and keep standing up for what they believe in.

I might have considered replacing the wall with another wall that simply states "free speech has been legislated against" - "where is the land of the free?"

The professor way over-stepped his authority and good sense.

And this was almost five years ago; imagine how much worse it is now.

This gives me hope for the future, that there are young people out there that actually understand and value free speech.

Oh yeah, I forgot the 3 pages of fine print to the first amendment, she really should have read all that first. Last I checked the constitution wasn't a EULA.

Great Video. Subscribed.

this is unbelievable to me.

Never thought i would be on the same side as theists. I support your free speech and free speech for all. Edit: WTF you took it down after police pressure? Police are not the law, they only enforce it. That could have been fought. Either way i like the initiative and the idea.

@lyrasinclaire1784

8 жыл бұрын

+Lumpy Chucks One can still comply with authority while still speaking out against or challenging them. I actually applaud them for what they did, except that I would have taken the first and third options and combined them to 'refresh' the page and archived the original. Physical space is valuable, after all, and from the looks of it, it was filling up fast.

@tigerlilyred2975

8 жыл бұрын

I disagree. The Miller Test wouldn't be nearly that cut and dry here. You have to fail _all three_ prongs. The students have a solid defense that they pass the third prong, which states that in order to be obscene, the work as a whole can not be a serious artistic or political statement. Their work was clearly political in nature, and by trying censor them the university played right into their "right to free speech" narrative. It would be hard to argue there was no political merit here in court, and it actually seems to be where the school was overturned. The students were correct in arguing that their free speech is protected. However, the school might argue that they don't want to do away with the whole wall just the "fuck"s, so this isn't a problem. Even here though they'd run into issue with the second prong, which says the work must depict or describe sexual or excretory functions in a patently offensive way. From what I understand there are further laws about what qualifies at a state level, and I don't know whether the word "fuck" counts where this lawsuit was held. I _highly_ doubt it though. Even exposed genitals aren't ipso facto violations of the Miller Test because it's held to community standards. If the sale of porn has been allowed, "fuck you" is hard to oppose. You'd have to argue that by saying "fuck Obama" (and fuck whatever else was on that wall), the students were literally calling for the President to be sodomized. That or invoking sex or bodily function in another way that would be clear to the current community. In 2016, you'd have a hard time convincing anyone that "fuck" was inherently sexual or excretory. It's become a very generic, versatile insult. The first prong is also about sex so I doubt it would be an issue in terms of "fuck Obama" either. Or even the whole work. It states that in order to be deemed obscene, the average person must find the work as a whole to be lustful. This is usually where racy music videos are flagged only to be cleared as "artistic". From what I saw of it, their wall definitely didn't qualify. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the students _had_ written or drawn something explicitly sexual somewhere else on the wall, but the schools reaction seemed to stem from the statement against Obama. As Morgan pointed out, criticizing your leaders has consistently been one of the most upheld interpretations of the first amendment, so the school was fighting a losing game by staking their reaction on that section of the wall. The statement might have been very crude and insubstantial -- fuck you is hardly constructive criticism -- but it DEFINITELY passes the Miller Test.

@tigerlilyred2975

8 жыл бұрын

Also don't forget that the first two prongs rely on _community standards_. If the college campus is the community (as there's very little reason for non-students from the surrounding city to be on campus where the work is visible), do you really think a majority of those 18-22 year-olds would claim "Fuck you" was obscene enough to be censored? Even if they said they did, it might be thrown out in court if you could prove the students used worse langue on a daily basis. Consider the famous 2000 Utah case where a video store owner was allowed to continue selling pornography when it was illustrated that pay-per-view porn was rented at even higher rate from the the local Marriott and cablevison providers than purchased from his store. The conservative Utah community could not argue the films violated their _practiced_ standards. The only standard of the Miller Test held to a national level is the political/artistic leg and these students appeared to receive widespread support for their protest across the country. Ultimately, the Miller Test is very vague. It doesn't define any of it's terms very well at all, which is why Free Expression vs. Obscenity continues to be an ongoing battle in the American court system. Plus the Miller Test isn't the only Supreme Court ruling that's relevant. As other comments have stated, the Falwell v Flynt ruling protects political cartoons and parodies. Compared to the works they've upheld, "Fuck Obama" is practically saintly. And most importantly, *the Miller Test is usually used to consider x-rated video not words on a poster!!* It's a bit ridiculous to use it to rate "Fuck Obama" as obscene. "Fuck Obama" wins!

@arnoldthomsen6571

7 жыл бұрын

What a fucking pussy bunch. They should have taken their misdemeanor and protested through non-cooperation. And then fucking taken it to court and gotten rich.

She has the weirdest eyes ever. If she were to speak to me, I'd think, she would fall asleep. XD haha

This gives me so much hope I was getting so discouraged by so many people I see openly supporting the removal of the first amendment and its relevance in our life because other opinions other than their own offend them, as if that should be illegal, yet only when its offending THEM. and its so encouraging to see people stand together against that thank you I wanna join

Holy cow! I'm a bearkat and I never knew this happen at my university. Granted it happened before I got here but still you always hear about it happening elsewhere. And then it happens at home.

Free speech is free... as long as it isn't free.

i love this girl

Oh, man, this is gonna piss me off for the rest of the week.

AWESOME young lady. Hope for America.

Damn Morgan Freeman is a great actor and very attractive too!

@basicallyjustabirdnow3616

7 жыл бұрын

and...? love it, but...... mmmm?

@basicallyjustabirdnow3616

7 жыл бұрын

OOOOOH. TOOK ME A SEC.

Even if they would have been charged for misdemeanor, they could have appealed to it and ultimately won the case. The government is only allowed to limit and punish for speech that has the likelyhood and intent to incite violence, and quite frankly, "fuck obama" would not fall within this definition. Even if the policy on free speech within this campus is of such regressive nature, I don't think such limitations to free speech (U.S constitution) can be trumped by mere "house rules".

@Lunccarecords

8 жыл бұрын

Getting a criminal conviction is not the same as getting arrested :)

@tigerlilyred2975

8 жыл бұрын

^^ Exactly! Show me someone in the US criminally convicted for saying "fuck". He doesn't exist! You'd be hard pressed to find someone _arrested_ *just* for saying fuck. I suppose obscene language might be listed as part of a larger "public indecency" arrest, but it would never be the sole reason. Not even if you screamed it in the middle of a church or kid's playground. Greg seems to have a very distorted view of how the Miller Test is used.

@tigerlilyred2975

8 жыл бұрын

***** I will concede that my first comment might have been too hyperbolic, but you're not making any sense. First of all you already made my point by saying their are no specific laws on the books about specific curse words. Then you try to claim most have said it falls under disorderly conduct. This isn't true though. The only time profane language is upheld as disorderly conduct is when someone is goading another person in a clear effort to _incite violence_. This kind of action is deemed "fighting words". This poster was not likely to incite violence. Simple public displays are exempt from this law. For instance, wearing a "Fuck the Draft" jacket to court was ruled legal by a high court in '71 because it was not a direct threat of violence. No reasonable person would take these types of slogans as encouragement to fight. (Also fight who in this case? Obama? He wasn't there.) Nearly every other instance of profanity has been upheld as free speech. There's a difference between being rude and breaking the law. As the original comment stated, it's one thing for campus police to react against curses that lack the threat of violence, as your school or employer can have stricter behavioral standards. But it's another matter for the local police to do so. I do think the students were right to obey the officer, but it's unlikely any arrest would have held up in court. In fact, the schools policies _were_ all overturned in court! So really why are we arguing?

@redrounin1440

7 жыл бұрын

Getting falsely arrested is still a pain in the ass; the appeals process is not designed to work around your busy school and work schedule. The average person does not have the time and money to fight, so they plead no contest and move on with their lives. That's why a civil rights activist who's not willing to be arrested is not worth their salt. College kids these days are so anxious to avoid anything that might blemish their precious personal records, that even the activists will stop their protesting when asked to by the police. Just with the threat of being falsely arrested hanging over their heads. It's a damn shame.

This scares the hell out of me.

I've met Morgan, she's awesome!!

I like the free speech wall; great idea. However, why did you give up your right so easily? You rolled right over for the oppressive tyrants.

sam houston university might as well print their diplomas on toilet paper so their graduates get at least some benefit.

I would have told the cops to take me to jail. Would be one hell of a court case.

Her eyes seem so relaxed

If you don't want people to write whatever they want, maybe don't call it a free speech wall. Call it a 'if I don't like what you write I will censor it wall.' It's not as catchy but at least you wouldn't be a liar.

@PaulTheSkeptic

8 жыл бұрын

+Papa Wheely The people who called it a free speech wall are not the people who censored it. Did you not watch the video?

@GR8APE69

7 жыл бұрын

It's the fact that the professor had to authority to do what he did and include police in the matter that made the school or whichever faculty members sponsored it liars.

degree in philosophy= college as an expensive day care

@ShoGunNicholas

6 жыл бұрын

pmlking, unless you're doing a dual degree in Teaching with Philosophy or Journalism with Philosophy or English with Philosophy, then the degree holds some value. A very niche employment option, but it still holds some value. That said, I suppose she'll enter the media industry in the future or become a worker in a NFPO, if she's solely studying Philosophy that is.

@kypdurron62

2 жыл бұрын

I have a MA in philosophy along with a JD and I work in the field of international relations and human rights law. Just because you think it's useless doesn't mean it is useless.

I’d like to congratulate the parents of the young lady for doing a great job! We need people like her.

Last response from this was 5 years ago so I won't expect anything

Having a PhD and being a professor is like getting a 70 on your IQ test. They are mostly just hacks who memorized some stuff from a book and a lecture and then regurgitated it back to some other hack professor and then were handed a paper proclaiming them as 'intellectuals".

@BRAMB0SSS

6 жыл бұрын

bollocks, there are certain disciplines where this might be true, but generally professor really know their shit about their subject. Some are better than oothers, of course, but it's exremely rare to find a really dumb one, and you will NEVER find one with a very low IQ.

@oldschool1993

6 жыл бұрын

There is a difference between "knowing your shit" and just repeating back what you memorized from a book. True intellectuals are as rare as hen's teeth. With a little historical research you will find that mainstream academia always condemns and attacks the guy with a new theory, until it finally becomes accepted, then they jump on the bandwagon and wait to condemn the next new idea.

@oldschool1993

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed, a degree or post graduate degree in a science is an accomplishment which has sadly been diluted by the proliferation of degrees in non-subjects like most of the social studies.

@oldschool1993

6 жыл бұрын

You are welcome to guess that, you may find that other notables had some success with less education- Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller, Harvey Firestone etc. etc., but they did provide a lot of jobs for the college boys.

@KeithsReviews

6 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about affirmative action, race adjusted college admission scores. It's a joke.

the professor... what's his name?

Criminal charges? Bring it on....

LOL its been like 40 seconds and i still cant get past her saying morgan freeman

I Voted for Obama. And I still find the Censorship of the Free Speech Wall BS. Long Live Free Speech.

@PaulTheSkeptic

8 жыл бұрын

+willku9000 Me too. It is a bit personally offensive but it's absolutely his right to say it and to censor a free speech wall is just ridiculous. It's outrageous. The professor should be ashamed and the police should be ashamed. I know hindsight is 20/20 but had it been me, I'd have taken the misdemeanor and fought it in court.

@theshoeshineapprentice3495

8 жыл бұрын

You should be embarrassed to admit you voted for ..

@PaulTheSkeptic

8 жыл бұрын

Zulu For who? Did you vote for McCain Palin? Hey, maybe the guy has done a few things that should be criticized, sure but it could've been worse. I couldn't imagine if that old man kicked the bucket and Palin became president. She's about as qualified as a bag of hammers and less useful.

@TheNajSD

8 жыл бұрын

+The Shoe Shine Apprentice Well, it doesn't matter who you vote for these days. The general act of voting is embarrassing. I mean look at these candidates. I feel so dirty during democratic debates that I normally have to take a shower halfway through - a shower in bleach. My doctor has ordered me to remove all sharp objects from my vicinity prior to watching republican debates. I was lucky last time, I only lost one eye and part of my right ear.

she's hawt. I love her eyes, and the confidence to speak so fluidly.

@raultorres5949

7 жыл бұрын

And her boobs

@Beetlejuicex3x

7 жыл бұрын

THEFRISKIESTDINGO out of your league

@TakesTwoToTango

6 жыл бұрын

Are you saying you have the hots for Morgan Freeman?

@pancakesafterdark3335

6 жыл бұрын

She looks stoned as fuck

@robc1765

6 жыл бұрын

I'm convinced that she's either blind or has a lazy eye, one of them doesn't move with the other, watch the video again if you don't believe me.

Like an old saying goes. Sticks, & Stones may beeank my bones. But Words will never harm me!!!

Part of me wishes they'd taken the misdemeanor to court and brought charges of vandalism against the professor.

Happens all the time. The old guy from duck dynasty got crapped on hardcore for speaking his mind not too long ago.

@TheQualityrkc

9 жыл бұрын

Private company dude. You need to learn what the first amendment is. The duck dynasty guy was a victim of public backlash which was completely constitutional. The first amendment only restricts the action of the state not private companies.

@Tary88

9 жыл бұрын

TheQualityrkc Hate speech laws? The state gets to set what hate speech is of course.

@TheQualityrkc

9 жыл бұрын

Tary88 Hate speech laws wtf? He wasn't charged with anything. You were wrong and now you are doubling down making yourself look even more silly.

@Tary88

9 жыл бұрын

TheQualityrkc I was just saying people get censored all the time in the good old US of A. Whether it be by law, company or just getting bombarded by some random social justice warriors. Universities are riff with the latter. The constitution just as well be written on toilet paper at this point in time. It's funny you even brought it up.

@TheQualityrkc

9 жыл бұрын

Tary88 Can you atleast admit using the duck dynasty guy as an example of a victim of lack of free speech was not intelligent? The guy lost hos job because of freedom of speech not in spite of it. The people spoke and wanted him fired from his job and they got their way. He did not work for the government.

Morgan which way we lookin sweetheart?

@boalollal242

6 жыл бұрын

Straight into my heart.

"There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech" Idi Amin

@4:25...LOL..."FCUK Boxcutters" I miss college, nothing but free time to do shit like this...and get drunk at 9 o'clock in the morning Geaux Cajuns!!!

Um is she high? Maybe this wasn't the best time to do the interview

They should f-ed up that professor when he started tearing through their wall with a box cutter. If you wanna be physical, lets be physical. And he can't press charges if he can't speak, or even knows who did what. Just saying.

@mattkandel2449

6 жыл бұрын

That boxcutter is a dangerous weapon! Why did he have it in the first place!? Lol.

Shouldve had everyone take the misdemeanor charge then started a class action lawsuit against the school/police department.

Hurrah ! - take the professor to court for criminal damage ....

In today's society this isn't censoring... Even if this didn't go viral on KZread everybody who is socially connected at the event and their family and friends that they tweet to would have found out through a facebook or twitter post that the professor did this. The professors aren't morons, they know it will go viral that they did this. This isn't censoring, it's making a public statement the smart way. That's all anyone cares about, getting their personal zeitgeist heard by everyone and making a social impact

@ghostofreagan3181

6 жыл бұрын

a squirrel Unfortunately, they made NO impact.

I'm a liberal who admires President Obama, in fact I think he is the best president this generation will ever see. But I'm totally support that wall and the to write your opinion with respect or without it. Freedom of speech before everything.

@TeaParty1776

7 жыл бұрын

There are no contradictions in reality. You evade the necessity to choose Obama or free speech.

@worldshaper1723

7 жыл бұрын

TeaParty1776 There is no necessity to choose anything. You can like a president and criticize him at the same time. Obama is being pussy now, by no defending native americans in North Dakota.

@sirmonkeys7284

7 жыл бұрын

123lowp ohh you were going so good! And then you called 80% of the population idiots.

@worldshaper1723

7 жыл бұрын

123lowp I agree with a lot of what you said. But I don't see why you call BLM an extreme group.

@sirmonkeys7284

7 жыл бұрын

Red/white "WHAT DO WE WANT? DEAD COPS! WHEN DO WE WANT EM? NOW!"

So a professor threatened a student with a knife.

I am a politically conservative college professor, and I must say that I am shocked by the behavior of the professor, the police, and the college administration. If we only allow speech we agree with, then there is no need for the 1st Amendment. The very point of the 1st Amendment is to protect speech (and the speaker) we disagree with from actions by the government.During the Vietnam conflict, a reporter asked John Wayne what he thought about Jane Fonda's virulent criticism of everything and everyone involved on the US side of the conflict. His reply is noteworthy: "I disagree with everything she says, but I will fight and die to protect her right to say it."