The fact we still don’t have a dedicated “Clown” archetype is extremely surprising.

@blastodermis

3 ай бұрын

Konami executives don't want to print their portraits.

@raydhen8840

3 ай бұрын

The closest we ever get is circus/carnival/theatre themed archetypes (Performapal, Amazement, Despia) the latter which has Jester which is close enough

@darkpaw1522

3 ай бұрын

@@raydhen8840 And Amazement.

@lurrielee2755

3 ай бұрын

​@@darkpaw1522 Yugioh player reading comprehension moment

@darkpaw1522

3 ай бұрын

@@lurrielee2755 Lol, Also Performage

Yugioh's First true Archetype was Gravekeeper's in Pharonic Guardian, followed by Amazoness in Magician's Force. Harpie was considered a Series up until it got legacy support in LOTG, since all it's support cards were focused on Harpie Lady specifically and you couldn't really run a dedicated deck around it. same reason Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes weren't considered archetypes until they got The Dark Illusion and Shining Victories respectively.

@Zanji1234

3 ай бұрын

and then the Warriors :-D

@oucyan

3 ай бұрын

@@Zanji1234 Warriors? what warriors?

@Zanji1234

3 ай бұрын

@@oucyan warrior Toolbox with Marauding Captain, DD Warrior lady and exiled force more or like ... yeah not THAT much of a theme

@oucyan

3 ай бұрын

@@Zanji1234 that's not an archetype. just generic warrior goodstuff

@Zanji1234

3 ай бұрын

@@oucyan for the time that was "kinda" a theme ... a smaller one (but better) than chess archfiends or gravekeepers at the time but hey.

The fact their names don't line up at all in Japanese is giving me heinous Monarch vibes, because the Monsters are actually separate from the Spell/Traps by literally a single character.

@ZeothTheHedgehog

2 ай бұрын

Why Konami decided not simply reprint the original monarchs with the added character so their search cards can be limited to just them, I will never know.

I completely forgot that Crass Clown showed up in the anime.

They could just stick a errata saying the cards are treated as clown monsters

@thekoifishcoyote8762

3 ай бұрын

Worked for summon skull, though in reverse

@ZeothTheHedgehog

2 ай бұрын

I mean those monsters were never meant to be Clowns, so if anything the Errata would make them NOT treated as Clowns.

I think it's odd how bickuribox was retooled into a fusion like flame Swordsman that needed dream clown. Also curious that crass crown has a zombie variant

After knowing the Japanese name, we will never get the Clown archetype. Except if Konami creates a new archetype like Memento and unites them into one arctype. . Konami is a clown when they create cards with similar gimmick, but give different names.

@traplover6357

3 ай бұрын

Tbf, this was really early on when archetypes werent solidified and sets were more playable as a draft format. One of the few archetypes that were actually viable was Gravekeepers back then.

@ZeothTheHedgehog

2 ай бұрын

I mean, there's nothing stopping them from remaking the old non-Clowns into proper Clown monsters.

Nice if they would get a retrain. Maybe call them "Nightmare Clown" or something. Each can be special summoned from the hand and opt quick effect they can change the battle position of a monster you control. Each Clown have a different effect when switched to Attack or switched to Defense. Maybe they can have a ringmaster Link that, even though cannit change its position, enable the rest of the Clowns by providing extra switching.

@carlosvsiguejugando3102

16 күн бұрын

Agreed!

clowning around

wonder if we would call control decks clown decks if they were actually meta back in the day

@ticklezcat5191

3 ай бұрын

Probably not, since "Control" was already a thing due to being a loanword from MTG fans, similar to "Mill" or "Burn"

@kindlingking

3 ай бұрын

We should do it now anyway

@traplover6357

3 ай бұрын

We dont typically nickname decks with certain playstyles with an archetype who popularized it. We usually do for single cards like Towers for an unaffected boss monster, Stratos for a monster that searches, ROTA for a spell that searches, Garnet for any monster needed in an engine that you dont wanna draw, etc.

I built a deck inspired by these two effects, however that deck evolved into a pure Performapal deck that relies on "F You, hahaha" strategies.

@hinamiravenroot7162

3 ай бұрын

Decck list? :d

@dragonmaster613

3 ай бұрын

@@hinamiravenroot7162 I don't remember off hand, but it was mostly cards that manipulated the opponent's cards like Swing Cobra and Swordfish. And the Extra Deck was all Numbers like 101 and 102.

I remember when I had my hard to beat clown synchro deck in high school that left people flabbergasted.

This was actually one of my very very first strategies, in the pre goat era

Wishing you mentioned Blade Rabbit, who has the exact same effect as Dream Clown. I used to play this deck at locals for fun. I used Blade Rabbit and Dream Clown in conjunction with Karakuri Nishipachi to swap battle positions and make Naturia Beast/Barkion back in like 2011. Fun times 😂

This reminded me of a KZreadr named Casual Cooper. Whenever he plays a yugioh video game, clowns end up being one of the decks he plays.

Well, technically with the re-releases of old cards, where we get retrains of older cards like in Legacy of Destruction, I wouldnt be suprised if they would return as something new like the Memento cards are. Or get a total revamp as a sort of new arch-type where they are called "Pierro" cards or something. Imagine it like "Pierro - The Magical Dream Clown" or something and have that play with positions to counter opponents plays. I would like that :D

Also, dont forget there fusion counter part too!!

not to mention you fuse dream clown and crass clown into bickuribox

Peten The Dark Clown always kind of reminded me of Dimentio from Super Paper Mario which is odd considering he is more of a Jester than a clown but they both have monochrome masks and have a very malicious vibe to them.

I return to yugioh in 2015 after 2012. I hear Clownblade and thought of dream clown and Bladerabbit 😭

I understand excluding blue eyes as an archetype early on but it did get the ritual paladin that summoned it. But ya I consider blue eyes an archetype purely because the support of paladin it got support it’s an archetype.

I just realized the green thing is the clown's nose and not its eye. I feel dumb.

I want to build a competitive clown deck so badly, always have. Give us clown support!!!

I ran a clown control deck. Had blade rabbit in the deck as well

El día… del payaso

Technically they could go the (This card is treated as) route like for Crass and Dream clown if they need to rename them.

Gravekeepers was one of my favorite original archetypes.

Tainted Wisdom also had a similar effect to the clowns, but a bad and useless version And it also wasn't a clown, so...

Will these cards work w/the trap Final Attack Orders?

I played Clown Control back in the day, until monarchs came and dominate so hard.

Hate that they dont have more support like how Gravekeepers get. Performages dont count 😂

Maybe in Rush Duel would they shine

harpies and toons

I’ve always said it, I’ve always meant it- designating a card’s archetype in its name has always been DUMB! We keep finding new real estate elsewhere on the cards, stick an archetype modifier there.

@Zetact_

3 ай бұрын

The earliest archetype (Toon) tried that but ended up just putting things in the name anyway. In part because it allows for consistent categories that include backrow. Designating archetypes via name allows for using quotation marks that make parsing slightly easier. Ever since adopting archetype design it's been largely easy to give archetypes coherent naming conventions without it seeming forced or awkward. I think that with some recent archetype design though that a grammatical update to "related" cards would make reading cards easier. With series like the Yubel support, Shining Sarcophagus, Flame Swordsman, Adventurer token, etc. Instead of a card having to say for instance, "1 card that mentions "Visas Starfrost"" it can just say, "1 "Visas Starfrost" related card."

@ZeothTheHedgehog

2 ай бұрын

​@@Zetact_I don't see how that would make reading any easier as I doubt there'd be much confusion what are card that mention a specific word.

@Zetact_

2 ай бұрын

@@ZeothTheHedgehog It's just to cut down on text mostly, and to prevent things that sound kinda awkward. Confusion might be reduced as a result but it's mainly a card text thing and just codifying a type of mechanic that's becoming increasingly common in a way that would be quickly written and read. Take the recent Clear World cards, specifically Clear Wall, since that one is particularly obnoxious with "monsters that mention." "If "Clear World" is on the field: You can add 1 monster from your Deck to your hand that mentions it. You can only use this effect of "Clear Wall" once per turn. Monsters that mention "Clear World" cannot be destroyed by battle, also you take no battle damage from battles involving them. While you control a Level 7 or higher monster that mentions "Clear World", all effects of "Clear World" are applied to your opponent regardless of the Attributes they control." Change that to "If "Clear World" is on the field: you can add 1 "Clear World" related monster from your deck to your hand. You can only use this effect of "Clear Wall" once per turn. "Clear World" related monsters cannot be destroyed by battle, also you take no battle damage from battles involving them. While you control a level 7 or higher "Clear World" related monster, all effects of "Clear World" are applied to your opponent regardless of the Attributes they control." The actual amount of text is lower but more relevant is that it phrases the order of the words in a more similar manner to regular archetypes. Also the added benefit is that it makes more noticeable cuts on certain effects. Gadget Trio: "If this card is Normal or Special Summoned, you can add 1 "Shining Sarcophagus" or 1 Spell/Trap that mentions it from your deck to your hand." "If this card is Normal or Special Summoned, you can add 1 "Shining Sarcophagus" related Spell/Trap from your deck to your hand." The reduction of text in this case is slightly more because Shining Sarcophagus is inherently a "Shining Sarcophagus" related spell.

@ZeothTheHedgehog

2 ай бұрын

@@Zetact_ eh, while I like this style of shortening I don't believe it's needed for this. If anything I think it's more suitable for cards that support an archetype but don't mention a specific card's name to search them with. Like take the Rokket Spells/Traps for example, none them mention a Rokket by name so they can't be searched, but if you made a card say "Add 1 "Rokket" related Spell/Trap", now you can search them. Or the Shinobird's level 4 Ritual can just say "Spirit Monster related card" And "Mention" is already a keyword in of itself, as it replaced "Specifically lists [the card(s)]". And doing it your way will probably make things like Eye of Timeaus whose unsearchable because it mentions "Dark Magician" the archetype rather than the card.

We need more support for them and to be treated as a clown card. 🤡🤡🤡

ärk(ə)ˌtīp

I WISH I was retired

Hopefully Konami will retrain the Clowns and build them into a Meta Deck. It'll still have to be based on Position Shifting, but way easier to pull off. Sort of like the Cicada Monsters. Make some Clown Fusions and Xyz Monsters.

As someone who plays card games, but not yugioh… it’s a shame the direction they took the mechanics of the game.

@ZeothTheHedgehog

2 ай бұрын

Elaborate

Man im only 30 and should be consdereing retirement to you. lol

Pronounced sah-gee like sokka from avatar

sorry but 1500 ATK wasn't considered "BIG" or "respectable" ... the base line was "la Dschinn" so 1800 ATK, like 7 coloured fish and dark zebra everything below was trash even then. and yeah i remember one guy in our locals playing this type of deck which caught everyone by suprise considering everyone run kinda the same beatdown deck (3 dschinn, 3 7 coloured fish, maybe dark zebra, some equip spells, summoned skull.. the usual spell/traps) and then suddenly a random guy playing a stall game where he sniped your monsters and attacked for 1200 or 1300 atk

@TheKabuto90

3 ай бұрын

being above 1500 with no detrimental effects was extremely rare back in the earliest days of the game. It was absolutely big and respectable.

@_Vengeance_

3 ай бұрын

@@TheKabuto90 Even in its earliest days (at least for the TCG), it was all about La Jinn, Neo the Magic Swordsman, and Battle Ox. Only in the PC game Yugi the Destiny saw even weaker cards play due to no La Jinn and Battle Ox, but even then the lowest was 1600 ATK (Man-Eating Treasure Chest, Great White, and Dragon Zombie).

@Zanji1234

3 ай бұрын

@@TheKabuto90 i don't know where you played but NOBODY played 1500 Atk monstes ESPECIALLY when set 3 came out O_o

Wow you do YGO now? Play Duel Links and post funny vids.

If someone were to actually make a archetype with those monsters, they would make a clown of themselves

Yu-Gi-Oh!'s* as is it reads "was almost yugioh first true archetype"

Clowns and Penguins both deserve more support.

It's pronounced \pje.ʁo\ The "pi" is like the one in "pigeon" "Pi-eh-ro" It comes from the eponymous pantomime character Pierrot which is something of a sentimental dreamer. Hence the name : Dream Clown.