It’s not that we miss old yugioh. We miss back when nobody we knew was running meta at the playground.

@fsanmiguel666

2 ай бұрын

Don't forget convoluted the summoning methods that are around these days

@knockout8157

2 ай бұрын

@@fsanmiguel666the summoning methods really aren’t confusing in the slightest. More often, it’s the effects that go along with them that make them seem more confusing than they are.

@markedfang

2 ай бұрын

I really liked Synchros when the signature dragons just protected your board or blue up your own board. XD (Stardust and Red demon) Then in the XYZ era the protagonists signature character "negates 1 attack once per turn." The issue really isn't with summoning mechanics that are confusing or hard to understand. You just "do thing card say" much like fusion or rituals. What makes it baffling to people is the huge amount of special summoning from literally everywhere and cards that can just say no to things and are indestructible. And the worst part is ... being indestructible as a boss monster isn't even close to being good enough to be playable. but when your old deck is jumping through hoops to summon a blue eyes and the fucker across from you just eats it on the spot, you really don't feel like you're playing the same game anymore, and you're not, and some people miss that old style of play.

@JesterQueenAnne

2 ай бұрын

​@@markedfangif you were going through hoops to summon Blue-Eyes at any point of the game's lifespan, you were playing a terrible deck that would lose to any semi-competitive list. It's never been a modern yugioh thing, it's always been a playing a playground pile of cards against decks built to win.

@Paul-vq6jk

2 ай бұрын

Top Comment, but still underrated

As a kid, I remember opening Solemn Judgement out of a Metal Raiders pack and thinking it was terrible. HALF your life points? No way that’s worth it 😂

@BensonMTG

2 ай бұрын

Same here, along with seven tools of the bandit

@sam7559

2 ай бұрын

That kinda because it was at least not as good as it is today. Judgement is only as good as the action it negates, paying half your LP to stop your opponent from using monster reborn to SS a 1800 beat stick is only good if you think that beat stick is going to do half or more damage. Stopping your opponent from being able to create a board of 69 omni negates with 420,000 damage that can attack directly is worth 4,000 LP.

@wrestlerecap1324

2 ай бұрын

It WAS terrible back in the day lol its funny seeing it become so amazing later on

@teafollet5361

2 ай бұрын

Imperial Order is like a Royal Decree but it costs Life Points? It's so baaaaaad

@MrEffectfilms

2 ай бұрын

I thought the same

As an old school player, I legitimately won a tournament with my beloved Yata Garasu, guess how? The opponent activated the effect of Chaos Emperor Dragon, and without any cards in both hands, I drew Yata. 😂

@M_Customized_Box

2 ай бұрын

bro really had the heart of the cards 😭

@kayiness

Ай бұрын

Man had plot armor irl

They never missed the old format like GOAT or Edison or Time Wizard. It was "playground" format where rules can be bent like nobody's business, the childhood memories so they say "when things in life are simple as it can be" which applies to many things in life AKA "nostalgia". Old school competitive YGO was a warzone LOL

@troytheboy1985

16 күн бұрын

the i suck at the game and will make up rules to win and dont really care about card games and just need my fake needs met

As a longtime yugioh fan I mostly agree with this video but to throw a bone to casuals ygo is alot harder to enjoy at a kitchen table level now than it used to be in og/gx era due to the increase in complexity. I think most people now arn't under illusions that og yugioh as a competitive game wasn't flawed but its hard to say the game now isn't just worse for the casual player. Good history showcase!

@Yuripunk2077

Ай бұрын

Old yugioh actually felt like a card game. You put down a card, they put down a card. With any luck, your card beats their card. It was simple and satisfying. You would never be in a situation where you had to pause the game for 15 minutes to explain how you just combo'd half your deck out in the first turn.

I think most people liked the basic simplicity of old yugioh. Most of us as kids never played super meta decks. So it was more fun just using basic rules play a monster attack turn over maybe tribute summon. Now ots just too much with all the combo bullshit. I think people just want something simple and digestible which old yugioh felt like.

@WhipLash42o

2 ай бұрын

Old Yu-Gi-Oh felt that way to you because you weren't getting completely fucking sacked by power spells every other game. No one wants to talk about it, but power spells and traps completely warp old school Yu-Gi-Oh. And they did for several years before the game started making shifts towards more monster oriented gameplay as opposed to "Congratulations you opened 3 of your broken limited Spells/Traps and your opponent didn't. Enjoy watching them get aggravated at having effectively lost the game turn 1 but still playing it out like they have a chance."

@justinmasuda4227

2 ай бұрын

@@WhipLash42o maybe so but old yugioh was just easy to understand. Normal summon monsters 4stars or lower. 5&6 stars 1 tribute 7&8 2 tributes. Play a spell and it's obvious what it does. The game is just too much now like a million different ways to special summon things xyz monsters link monsters. Like I said old yugioh was broken but it was simple.

@ericbiggdogg7337

2 ай бұрын

Buut compared to now,yugioh is to over powerd,you all talk about power scaling of old school,it's pale in comparison to now,where every deck is broken and unfair...I played since the beginning the ones he is talking about were only in small percentage cause most people didn't have half these cards...yeah we all loved to have a mirror force costing over a $100..for example he talks about hand stripping,If I remember didn't we dark world do that a little? Yeah I love milling and exiting kashtira and locking you out of playing over tine or runick,all the spam decks where you got two parts....man this video is nothing but a complaining video...old school over all is far more balanced then modern yugi oh

@a28skullking

2 ай бұрын

@@ericbiggdogg7337back then as well a lot of me and my friends where basically playing all the same cards with a variety mainly in monsters. I remember getting my arse handed to me a few times but you’re right in that today my opponent can set themselves up with several negates and few monsters with 2000+ attack all in their first turn. So when it it is (finally) my turn I have to count how many negates they have and hope I have the cards in hand to burn through them and then try to start something but even if I burn cards on the negates and get a monster out it won’t be strong enough and even if I can use its effect they might still have effect veiler/ imperm/ash etc. Yu-Gi-Oh! used to be about the draw where a good hand can set you up well but a good draw can destroy your opponents progress. And on the back of that it wasn’t like I could then just summon 8000 attack points worth of monsters and beat you. I had to then slowly build my attack power by way of summoning mostly one monster per turn.

@RollingCalf

2 ай бұрын

It's mind boggling that Konami only uses their experience to make more complicated cards instead of better ones. The game started as a mess and has just gotten messier.

The thing is that we don't miss the 2002-2004 meta. We miss childhood memories. So I don't think old Yugioh was awful. Just old competitive Yugioh.

@dennisbowen452

2 ай бұрын

Yeah. Not to mention the current game is dying hard too.

@TheRealJohnux

2 ай бұрын

​@@dennisbowen452that's probably more to blame on Konamis terrible print and Reprint philosophy in the tcg that makes staples unaffordable aswell as makes entry costs for the current Format or keeping up unsustainable. Also the bs they pulled when they introduced link and basically half of the yugioh Community quit the up to date game when they did.

@painvillegaming4119

2 ай бұрын

@@TheRealJohnuxthe only link I rock with is the black luster soldier cause man that archetype needs all the help possible 😓

@Monkeylighthouse

2 ай бұрын

​@@dennisbowen452not really, it's never gonna be at the level it was at it's peak, but it's definitely not dying, not in player count, not in money being made, and it's probably not going to die anytime soon

@feder373

Ай бұрын

Old meta was more complex than this video tells. Hand control decks didn't rely on those 3 powerful limited spells, it was a more complex strategy that involved lots of monsters such as Kycoo and Don Zaloog. Yata-lock and Scientist FTK are easy to do on paper but in reality they bricked a lot or were inconsistent so they didn't top most of the time. Most of the tops were slow and control decks.

I think the issue with analyzing old competitive yugioh is that when you're talking about things like chaos emperor being legal, these weren't cards you'd often have on the playground. I believe crush card was a prize card? ... Having a difference in player behavior and much looser game design allowed from interesting moments to occur naturally. Now the "cool things" are baked into card design, and is the intention of a lot of archetypes, it just ends up feeling a lot less interesting to do those things. A lot of criticism about newer yugioh is that a lot is happening and you really need to know the decks you're playing against. Like, it's insane to think that not only can a single normal summon spiral heavily out of control. It can do this through multiple negates. negates that your opponent summoned earlier. I have had games where I've synchro summoned a full board of synchro monsters including the EMZ (Jet warrior my beloved.) Not only is it possible to end with more mid to high level monsters on a board than you start with in your opening hand, you can do this all while replenishing your opening hand fully, too. Interaction in yugioh used to be explicitly turn based and with turns getting longer and end boards getting stronger, off-turn player interaction became more of a necessity, but I strongly believe that the people that yearn for old school desire a world where the term "end-board" can't even be used. I was completely fine with normal summon thunder king pass being peak gameplay. It made the game much more about resource management vs a world where that stuff is just baked into archetypes infinitely replenishing themselves.

@samijeh3682

2 ай бұрын

This is very well said!

@four-en-tee

2 ай бұрын

While i get where you're coming from, i think it still comes down to personal preference. Having come into Yugioh from Smash Ultimate, I happen to really like the breakneck pace of the modern game and the constant race for both players to try and lock down the board. Like, there's a certain high that I get from, say, setting up a GP PUNK endboard while negating Nibiru in the process that just can't be beat. Its simply exhilerating when after days of construction, all the pieces in your deck just suddenly work together like a well oiled machine. The big problem, I think, is that this design ethos is just hard to balance the game around. Konami needs to be more proactive with the banlist. But i do agree with you in the sense that I wish the casual scene was much larger. Playing non-meta is always more fun for both people involved.

they were more important than maxx c is important to master duel, this is when you see how powerfull those cards were

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

Yeah and couple that with the fact that many of the cards mentioned in this video are either still banned today, spent 15+ years on the banlist or had to be errata'd to come off the banlist.

@500938ful

2 ай бұрын

​@@OvercastYGOand then you got the IO incident

@ecthelionv2

2 ай бұрын

​@@500938ful the what incident?

@500938ful

2 ай бұрын

@@ecthelionv2 the years IO was unbanned with an errata until it got banned again

@SaberWolf94

2 ай бұрын

You are absolutely wrong and so is this smartass trying to make an "educational" video about the subject. Most of the power cards available in the 2002-2003 period were a lot more balanced given the slow nature of the game. If we assume that players had all the cards to build the best decks it also negates your maxx c comparison and the nonsense this guy is saying. That's because in that scenario both players have all those tsples in their deck and even if we don't see the same cards you always have a blend of these old power cards. Cards like Imperial Order BEFORE the errata is actually more balanced in those old formats compared to an errated Imperial Order in a modern format where the game is much faster. That's because if you can't play spell cards for 1 turn that is enough for your opponent to OTK you on the next turn but that wasn't the case in 2002-2003 formats. You actually had time and options to do something even if your opponent played Imperial Order. Was it still a strong card and potential win condition? Absolutely. But it isn't as simple as what this guy's saying. By LON there were also enough power cards to be considered staples that you wouldn't even have space to run all of them unless you wanted your deck to well above 40 cards. So player card preference and teching becmae even more of a thing. Things started to get out of hand with IOC in 2004 but indeed that's when cards started to get fully banned.

I like how catapult turtle still a FTK enabler until this day, with combos like clock wyver FTK

@chrisvelissaropoulos3414

2 ай бұрын

The effect can only be used once per turn. It has changed years ago.

@juanmarcelo589

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisvelissaropoulos3414 I know, and it still broken. I have lots of catapult turtle FTK decks in Master Duel.

@wickederebus

2 ай бұрын

@@chrisvelissaropoulos3414 it is the same as Dark Strike Fighter FTKs in 2024. You just make a "bigger sacrifice" for the tribute. making a level 40 monster for Dark Strike Fighter is not the hardest thing in the game. Dinosaurs with Mecha Phantom Beasts can do it, and F.A.s can do it with their synchros. The problem is, it dies to a single Effect Veiler or Infinite Impermanence to the DSF.

OCG 1999 to 2001 was an even worse time then the TCG Even after the first FTK (which was Exodia) in OCG 1999, many more busted decks and strategies started to come up. OCG 1999 was the only time you could play three Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity, also low rarity cause OCG Konami at the time underestimated many power cards, while giving bigger rarities to useless or underpowered cards. Back then, there was only one usable trap, which was Trap Hole, many traps either did not exist or were flat out terrible. OCG 2000 was not a good year to play YGO, even in 2001, OCG meta was some of the most toxic retro format anyone could lay their eyes on. You think ban list now adays are a laughing stalk. OCG prior to 2004 limited lists were a complete joke, August 2001 limited list being the worst one. All they hit was Megamorph despite very little OCG decks at that time played it (same format where Delinquent duo was semi limited btw.) Konami could never get away with such a terrible ban list these days. OCG in it's early years was not a fun time. If anything it's much much worse then people make it out to be.

@zander2758

Ай бұрын

Thanks to cimoooo series on the OCG at least more people are becoming aware of how awful those early formats were, for like 90% of people that just played the game om the playground or with friends it prolly wasn't too bad since they likely just threw cards and rules together, but for the 10% that wanted to take the game even semi seriously it was very bad.

What people miss isn't "old YGO" but the nostalgia of being a kid and playing the game. Just look at how they make the distinction between “playground” and “meta."

@17Master

Ай бұрын

Kinda hilarious how this vid completely missed the point in under two minutes. Ain't nobody had a deck like 1:27 at your friend's house or in the lunch area at school. And if they did, ain't nobody wanted to play against them.

My favorite time in Yu-Gi-Oh was 2006-2012. I feel like all the focus on archetypes and combos and everything that makes Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh was already there, but it was still more simple. Plus they still made Yu-Gi-Oh video games back then... I played every years' World Championship game and would pay so much for a new one even if it didn't have multiplayer in order to prevent market cannibalization of Master Duel. and that's not to mention all the cool side games they made like Duelist of the Roses. But I do agree that MD is so much better than YGO Online. The only thing YGO online had going for it is that YGO online 2 allowed you to walk around and chat with people, but it was still very expensive to get any cards

Magical scientist was not the first ever competitive ftk. It was the first competitive ftk in the tcg. The first ever competitive ftk was exodia ftk from the first ocg format. It was a tier 0 strategy and was the reason for the limited list being introduced.

@javelinmaster2

2 ай бұрын

Ah yes, back then when they didn't make cards that had hard once per turns. They clearly never thought of Butterfly dagger Elma bouncing an infinite amount of times. Konami sadly took a very long time to learn about hard once per turns.... But wasn't the list made because of chaos emperor Dragon?

@danydady6851

2 ай бұрын

@@javelinmaster2 the limited list was made because of exodia and the draw power cards like pot of greed. The banlist was made because of yata lock.

@parkouremaster

2 ай бұрын

Nothing like playing 3 charitys and 3 pot of greed + sangan and witch being able to activate by sending them from hand

@AusVtuber

Ай бұрын

​@@parkouremasterDon't forget that at the time in the OCG, Swords of Revealing Light was ruled to still have its effect work, even if it was removed from the board.

When I talk about old YGO being better than modern YGO, I am talking post banlist. Post Yata, post Scientist. When they nerfed those decks and reset the game.There was a window of a few years where the game was great, fun, varied and accessible. Playing decks like Monarchs in its various forms, Goat Control, Gladiator Beasts, Lightsworn, Dark Armed Dragon, Plant Synchros. That era for me lasted until I got tired of the game and stopped playing for a while around the start of Xyz format. I got back in to the game a few years afterwards but never at the same level I was before when I was competitive. Now I am casual, and haven't been to a tournament since 2020.

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

You are right in a way, there were some good formats. But we had many frustrating formats after 2004 also. TeleDAD comes to mind.

@deliciousfirstsip

2 ай бұрын

those where the best times. those decks where a lot of fun and no one played scientist at locals. locals was probably a lot differnent than regionals. my first locals was in october 2004.

@LunaticKD1991

2 ай бұрын

I hate fools who try to say "But Yata!" when they try to say old Yugioh was bad. The major difference between older Yugioh and todays Yugioh is that back then Konami actually used the banlist to try to balance the game rather than just to sell the next broken product. Yes there were still metas back then but the game wasn't broken like it is today and it's a result of Konami's lack of focus on balance in favor of chasing money resulting in unchecked power creep which means that if you aren't playing meta aka running negates, floodgates, and cards that allow you to play on your opponent's turn then you literally aren't playing Yugioh whether it's competitive or casual. That's how bad today's Yugioh is.

@Mew2222

2 ай бұрын

My situation is similar to yours. I actively played durring that era, with also winning a lot of local and regional tournaments, with deck like Monarchs etc. It was a lot of fun and I did not struggle with any opponent tactic. I could win agianst anything durring that time but I could also lose. My experience was positive and I do not remember opponents spamming some kind of exact meta in the tournaments. There were some meta cards used but nothing that was broken and unbeatable. I left the Yugioh scene around 5D's because I grow tired of the scene and had other life priorities. When I returned, but only as casual player, I saw that you virtually cannot play without Special deck, special summons and a lot of hand traps. There are basicly only few decks which are played competitively every season. I find it frustrating the same way as @OvercastYGO desribed the old Yugioh, so I think the situation never changed, it just shifted towards a different meta. I apologize if I described the curret Yugioh wrong, as I am only a casual player, I do not know all the decks and strategies.

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

nobody played meta back then modern yugioh players who only ever play meta are judging by a metric only they care about nobody who says they like classic yugioh are saying it cause they like the meta game

The funny thing is, I've recently learned the early TCG players had it good. Believe it or not, early OCG managed to be _worse_ than early TCG.

@valutaatoaofunknownelement197

2 ай бұрын

Well, I mean early OCG was the beginning of the modern game, and so of course there were lots of rough edges and pitfalls plaguing the early casual and meta games. Glad Sangan and Witch can't search if sent to the grave anywhere in the TCG.

@aliesterus1.023

2 ай бұрын

​​@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197they managed to enable a Cannon Soldier FTK _on its release._ How do you do that?!

@valutaatoaofunknownelement197

2 ай бұрын

@@aliesterus1.023 Jango Zone has a history of the OCG series. The search when sent from everywhere for Sangan and Witch of the Black Forest was used to enable an Exodia Z/F/O-TK deck in the OCG prior to their first errata and limits on Exodia parts.

@aliesterus1.023

2 ай бұрын

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 No, I know, what I mean is, how the hell do you manage to entirely overlook an FTK when designing cards?! Hell, they pretty much overlooked two!

@valutaatoaofunknownelement197

2 ай бұрын

@@aliesterus1.023 Oh. Sorry about that. On the topic itself: I'd ask a game designer.

I played the game until XYZ came out. Im to this day a big fan of the game although i dont play anymore. This video is absolutely missing the point. Ever since the banlist was introduced, the game was absolutely amazing. Yes there were frog FTKs here and there, but everyone was looking to create one of those anyways. It was about creating a perfect combo, and if somebody did, it would be immediately hit with a banlist which is totally fine. I tried to create consistant OTKs the entire time, and played antimeta regularly. So about the old yugioh was awful... nah. On the other note the things that i cant stand in the modern game is: 1) 4 effects on every card - ok, so in a year, just put 6 effects 2) Anything that messes with Special summoning is a taboo - Royal oppression is auto-win? 😂 Must be something wrong with the current state of the game 3) Using banished zone as a resource? - Ok, so now they can introduce "Obliviate" zone and "5TH dimension" zone and just reference it in card text differently. Its completely missing the point of "Removed from play" which it was for 4) Link summoning/Extra Deck usage - I dont even know where to start here All and all, i would say that Konami lost the plot. No coming back for any oldschool players for sure.

I mean those were ancient times Konami was still figuring out how to make the game better and they did but i think we're back where we started in a way, the game is still a pain in the ass because meta players take 30 minutes to summon they whole deck and literally not even let me play they just negate everything. There's no such thing as casual players anymore or fun decks. To me peak yugioh was sometime between 2011-2016

@MrSkullMerchant

Ай бұрын

Me with my skull servant deck 😎

@Gehinomlezvuvim

Ай бұрын

Peak yugioh was October 2005 until the dad deck. When they introduced the synchros,the game died

honestly the reason we lovede old yugioh is because we were all mostly casual player and no one knew how the meta worked. i didnt even know about yata lock or chaos decks. never heard about hand destruction decks. we played bad beatdown decks im glad i never played against meta players at the time

@rishnix

2 ай бұрын

The guy also completely neglects that this was a hobby for many of us that we were playing for fun. We weren't spending $500 on a single deck. We were using what we pulled from the packs.

@chiarenza451

2 ай бұрын

@@rishnix exactly n structure decks

Imagine magical scientist to summon cyber rampage dragon for an OTK in a cyber dragon deck

@Citizen_Nappa23

2 ай бұрын

Magical Scientist was banned years before Cyber Dragons were made

@GuysenseiHLJONIN

2 ай бұрын

Hence why he said "imagine".​@@Citizen_Nappa23

@mazeradeville2911

2 ай бұрын

Monster can't attack directly.

@Schoonerbeer2

2 ай бұрын

@@mazeradeville2911 it would be handy to clear a board though

@mazeradeville2911

2 ай бұрын

@@Schoonerbeer2 Assuming everything is under 2100 atk/def. Baseline stats for most boss monsters is 3000/2500

As someone who played back then, I can say these decks were a problem, but it was just yugioh back then. Yata lock was very frustrating for sure, Magical Scientist FTK was strong but I dont remember seeing it much, despite that it was still very common to see the card even in decks not dedicated to it as their were other cards you would want to use for their effects. I remember feeling super frustrated at cards like cyber dragon power creeping the game and making it so you could basically break the mechanics the game was based on yet for some odd reason I had no problem with chaos monsters.

I use to play in tournaments back in the day, tried to get back into it, went to a couple locals. Old yugioh IMO was in fact better.

Now everyone has tons of must haves. Only difference is you need a magnifying glass and a photographic memory to understand what you are playing against.

Kinda sick that priority was still a thing in Tele-DaD 2008/2009 and was only gone in 2012 lol

@Dogma7

2 ай бұрын

Priority keeps me away from edison

@JTK_XXL

2 ай бұрын

@@Dogma7 Those formats are still fun to play, despite priority. I normally start with teaching Tele-DaD format to oldschool and former playground players. It was pretty much at this point where special summoning, the importance of an extra deck and making a board 1st turn, that kinda stops and disrupts your opponent made a huge spike. They realize how nuts it went since then, given they played the shit out of this format.

I understand every era of Yugioh has it's issues but what I really miss is card effects being relatively simple. Trying to get someone new into Yugioh now feels like a mountain of effort, Yugioh back then was much easier to learn and teach. Also I'm sick of duels only lasting 2-3 turns. I love when there's more turns and more back and forth, feels like the duel could go either way at any point rather than whoever builds their board up with the most negates wins.

From what i've learned in Cimooo's history of OCG. Many handrip cards were designed to hard counter Exodia when it was the meta. This was when Sangan and Witch before the errata meaning it can search exodia parts from discards, not the errata version where those monsters has to be on the field first. Plus, the draw spells like Graceful Charity and PoG at maximum copies and it's really easy to fulfill Exodia wincon with just one Charity. I also wonder what "old"era are people thinking when they talk about Yugioh, since the game has so many different formats throughout its 25 years of existence.

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

Does make sense, I have very little knowledge of the old OCG from the 90s

@Gehinomlezvuvim

Ай бұрын

We care about fhe TCG. None cares about what was happening in Japan.

@Gehinomlezvuvim

Ай бұрын

The old era is BEFORE synchros... This killed the game.

What most people fail to understand is that they are not top tier competitve players, but make the same complaints. No you do not need the top deck to win a locals, or against your friends. Ive done amazing with dark world, flameswordsman infernoble, and black wings just to name a few. Against friends ill play RDA or centurion, and I never use calamity or any other flood gates / turn skips because its not fun. I dont even use shifter when I use a deck that can. Yugioh is still great fun, you just have to stop try harding when you dont have any real chance to be 1st place at a ycs

@dougneon9550

2 ай бұрын

Like no one is playing 500-600$ decks at table 500. There's so much variety, Traptrix, Noble knights, ABC but everyone hyper fixates on the TOPPEST of decks. Back in the day their was no real strategy so most older decks felt samey. Today? You can get all of Crusadia for 5$

@dagothurik1815

2 ай бұрын

I play speedroids against my friends and I’ve won games by sitting on Daiko-Duke and like 2 trap cards

@wickederebus

2 ай бұрын

@@dougneon9550 I do love me some Black Garden go second Crusadia OTK.

@Gehinomlezvuvim

Ай бұрын

They aren't any of these players because the game has changed and now you want ONLY luck... If you play a game where you can win with 1 card if your opp won't draw a handtrap,this means that luck is the crucial factor

Good vid Overcast. The thing about taking a look back at the past is we sometimes forget to factor in that the trends and mentalities should also reflect the past. This video is probably what would happen if we played old Yugioh today with Yugi tuber advice, digital platforms that let you build any deck, and a trend and attitude of optimization. The truth is we didn't think like that in the old days of yugioh. Take it from me. I was the kid on the block to beat. And I was good enough to win several locals events. All to say I was both an active and somewhat relevant duelist at the time and I didn't even know half the problem cards in this video were a thing before I saw people start making youtube videos about this era some years ago. The truth is besides the 1% of duelist in the world that qualified for world and regional championships you'd rarely run into anyone with more than two or three of these cards let alone 3 sets f each. Think about Kiba ripping up grandpa's blue eyes so no one could use it against him. It was kind of like that, there was a scarcity to it. A more common situation would be something like hey D-Reaper Zack down the street just challenged you to a duel but be careful he has a change of heart raigeki and a snatch steal he's tough! One of the things I miss most about old yugioh is how unique the decks were. Even with a card pool of about 1000 we saw a lot more variety in the game than we do today with a card pool well over 10,000. No one even mentions one of my old ace cards, paralyzing potion, that got me though many a jam. Anyway sorry about the essay. This video took me right down memory lane and I have to emphasizes it was more than just the card selection that was different back then it was the mindset. Keep the content coming and God blessed!

i find it funny how they errata'ed catapult turtle to have a opt clause and then they leave all the cannon soldier cards in the game

I got to the point where you talked about Priority, and I was reminded of the time they got rid of it. Almost as soon as they got rid of it, they started printing more and more cards with "Quick-Effect", which acts basically the same as priority. Another little random ruling thing from the past: Anything that said something like "Negate the Attack" would technically Target the attacking monster (original printing of Mirror Force technically targeted the attacking monster!), this led to a lot of confusion early on in PSCT with effects like Number 39: Utopia on his release, since his attack negation doesn't target. and certain cards like Sakuretsu Armor had to have their effect errata'd to make them say that they target the attacking monster

@some2043

2 ай бұрын

quick effects are much better than old priority rule in the same time it gives a reason for on summon effects to be really good (searchers and sometimes a super poly)

Thank you for saying this, the nostalgia for old Yu Gi Oh is really going on my nerves. Just from a technical standpoint even modern, competitive, Yu Gi Oh is much less random and dependent on pure RNG. A game being complicated, expensive and unfriendly towards new players is, by itself, not saying anything about the quality of said game. It says a lot about the inability or unwillingness of the company creating it to invest money, time and workforce into alleviating those issues though.

i really hate the old priority rule it made on summon effects hold no desirable value

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

Yeah you would need something like Solemn Judgment to negate the summon if you wanted to stop the effect.

@RandomAsFunk

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it was little weird cuz we did have cards that did effects when they were summoned at that time… seem stupid to have that rule, but on upside if they called priority they had to use it

Personally, the GX era was the best we got in my opinion. It was before Synchros and every other special summon to make things one sided, it was before archetypes became too prevalent, leading to more creativity to work around it, had a ban list where there was a means to keep things balanced and fair. But that's just my opinion.

In the case of Deliquient Duo, that early on in the games life, life points were considered your most valuable asset. Tons of great cards that required incurring a LP loss went unused or noticed for quite a while back then.

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

The value of delinquent duos effect was more than worth the LP cost. Even by old standards. Making your opponent discard 2 cards is straight up ridiculous. But yeah you are right in a way, which is why Jirai Gumo and Dark Elf were not played much when Mechanicalchaser made its mark.

@AzIgaziMakk

2 ай бұрын

On Confiscation you could say this but on Duo cuz it's card advantage most of the time.

I played Eternal Duelist Soul, and beat it in about 5 days, using pretty much "only hindsight knowledge". It was sad how easy it was. Knowing how many cards were NOT banned, limited, or semi-limited, that later would be, did a lot. Added all the numbers together and had like an 80% winrate, or higher. I admit, around the third wave of opponents, my deck was getting to about 50 in size, and so I started losing to the more consistent tricks, and had to buckle down. Ended up boiling down to "Op beat sticks" (Gemini and Summoned Skull), draw engines, "op flip effects" (penguin soldier, magician of faith), bombs (Raigeki and HFD looping via Magician of faith), Searchers (sangan and witch, and a dark hole to "do it myself", a Last Will to cheese something out after Dark Holeing myself. Topped it off with a single Morphing Jar and a single Needle Worm, for "Plan C". Would use Graceful to toss BEWD, or Summoned Skull, and then Monster Reborn it. Simple minded strategy that I've remembered ever since one kid did it to me one time when we were like 10.

The problem with old yugioh is how sacky it feels and how little you can do about it. Today you have a toolbox in the extra deck you can use to maybe make a come back, but in old yugioh if you're left in a top deck situation you pretty much lost the duel. There was no strategy in old yugioh, just a bunch of cards that barely had any synergy together with as many blow outs as you could fit.

@SageTigerStar

2 ай бұрын

I played Infernity *specifically* for the Top-Deck situation. XD

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

yugioh these days is just summon million cards

@vaxel0068

2 ай бұрын

@@nagatouzumaki4047 what's wrong with that?

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

it's non interactive you just watch other dudes shuffle though their deck for 5 minutes while im able to just walk away to make a coffee and they still be spamming I wanna a game that requires active engagement not some cards summon on the table cutscene that goes on for and on better off just watching the anime

@vaxel0068

2 ай бұрын

@@nagatouzumaki4047 that's your prerogative, still doesn't change the fact that the slower the game becomes the sackier it is. I'd rather have a game plan and a win condition rather than the hope of drawing the best one offs in my deck and hope my opponent didn't (old decks were pretty much the same, without archetypes there was no room for deck buildind nor skill expression, playing anything else was cope) that's the reason why GOAT is so boring.

12:55 So, in all your research you forgot about the first hand trap in the the whole franchise? The one that was around since Yugi's first on screen duel, Kuriboh

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

Kuriboh didn't do anything against effect damage, therefore couldn't stop magical scientist FTK.

The big difference is the old FTK and ridicukously OP deks always felt like an accident. Like the consequences of a few cards combined to make somehting way to good or something like the Chaos monsters seemed like they came from the future tio conquer ancient Yugioh. Honestly the game was great all the way through the XYZ era when they finally balanced good archtype creation with balnce and variety. Its just end XYZ/Pendulum era they stopped caring about balancing and tied to sell the next set by creating new Archtypes just better than all previous ones with a laundry list of effects a connect the dots style "Duurrr the effect is draw my next combo piece durrr" all ending on multiple boss monsters with negates and usually with RFG or graveyard effects so if you do handle some part of it they still end up in the same spot and all of it BY DESIGN now

@troytheboy1985

16 күн бұрын

who cares if it was an accident all of this games top early years was ftks

I'm pretty sure the big five were limited to 1 by the rules of game and not by a ban list. I think it's in the yugi and kaiba starter deck rule book.

Started in 02 to 05, then 07 to 09, then 14, and I went through all of this, got an original first ED BLS EotB stolen at a Books a Million, and in forbidden tournaments felt Yata Lock, Chaos Emp, and the original Crush Card, and I wish people could experience that, they need to do pre errata formats, so people will feel that pain.

Watching people's reaction after seeing 2 Des Koala Fused together for a monster with 8,400 attack and can attack directly most try to quit before the attack lands. Black Luster Soldier Envoy of the Beginning and Chaos Dragon Envoy of the End were one of the first special summon from the Grave Archetypes including the Spirit Monsters that removed their types from play to special summon from the hand or grave. Delinquent Duo would work in such Synergy of those Danger Monsters that try to special summon themselves by discarding from the hand.

I played competitvely, on the playground and even organized my own 30 man tournaments since 2003. When I say I miss old yugioh I mainly mean pre XYZ yugioh or even early XYZ yugioh up to 2013. After 2013 game went to garbage with everyone running the same two deck Dragon Rulers and Spellbook that they copied from YCS or worlds championship. A ton of people were quitting left and right and had a tough time adapting to xyz while the rich collectors took their places and just kept buying whatever the newest best thing was and it stayed like that till this day. I miss all the tournament preparations, field trips to nationals, playing my favorite deck, playing casually with friends, deck building together. All the simplicity and creativity is gone and you have 10 minutes lenghty combos that most of the time prevent you from even playing anything when it's time to play your turn and their effects are so overly complicated and take a long time to learn. When you finally learn them they are no longer good and another thing take it's place. The only solution is to play some of the older formats or quit.

I miss the old days of playing yugioh on chairs opposite sides of the room to emulate the duel field from season 1

Nice video Just a suggestion, consider using a better microphone for improved audio quality. Interestingly, there's scientific evidence showing that audio quality plays a bigger role than video quality in keeping viewers engaged

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm still new to this Youtubing thing, I need work on editing out background noise without damaging the audio quality.

I’ve looked through all the comments and the conclusion is that Yugioh was always shitty lmao😭

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

the meta game was always bad causual yugioh cassic was fun

@doge6384

2 ай бұрын

@@nagatouzumaki4047 yea but i’d say the people are the problem. Everyone has different kind of fun. Think meta players, they want to have an overwhelming advantage so they choose to play decks that are uncontested by anything other than itself. And then some prefer old yugioh style back and forth where anything could happen. Konami is severely out of touch with the yugioh community, look how they reacted when people stopped buying physical card packs. They want to wring the Yugioh brand dry until it will eventually be out of money making ideas to then they will let it rot and move on to the next money making idea.

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

ig to diehard players who spent 100s of dollars on decks ftk's and 10 min long turns of no interaction are fun but to everyone else on planet earth yea not fun

@doge6384

2 ай бұрын

@@nagatouzumaki4047 yea it really be a spectrum but all have the same goal. They want to get the dopamine of winning no matter what they do lol

Ah, the days. *RIP Gemini Elf* 🧝🏼‍♀️🧝‍♂️🕊️

@RogueHero

Ай бұрын

That and injection fairy lily

I played from the week cards came to Europe till my friends and me quit in 2014 when pendulums came and the drawing card rule changed. The game just got too complicated and stopped being fun. You take few months off and you just can't catch up, it becomes like a second job. It's similar to league of legends you can't just come back, you need to study all the item changes, all the champion changes and it goes from being fun to doing chores. Yeah some of the problems you mentioned did exist before especially with Mechanicalchaser, but it got fixed later on. I remember so many formats being a ton of fun and very diverse, anyone could play any deck and win it, have a chance. Now the game is worse than it ever was. It's incredibly complicated and you need to spend hundreds to thousands of dollars just to play the same mirror match every weekend. Whoever tries to have fun or play a non meta deck gets abused and quits. Cards and effects are so complicated and turns last for what feels like half an hour.

I just miss when your opponent’s turn didn’t take 10+ minutes, just for them to play on your turn too.

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

I really dislike the lengthy combos during the opponents turn. Master Duel turns feel longer than they are because of all the animations.

@GameCyborgCh

2 ай бұрын

@@OvercastYGO don't forget the really lengthy combos your opponent does during YOUR turn. Yugioh is just a solitaire simulator if you don't open with 5 hand traps

@buttermaster1655

2 ай бұрын

I somewhat can see the post of view but I still don’t like this argument games of yugioh still are around the same length of time the only difference being instead of games being 1-3 turns it would be around 5+ turns as players sit and think of what their plays are going to be

@buttermaster1655

2 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@GameCyborgCh i mean branded a very dominant deck for a while and one that’s still around to this day does to one hand trap it dosent require 5 some only need 1 timely placed handtrap

@wickederebus

2 ай бұрын

@@GameCyborgCh then go play Tenpai

We miss oldschool yugioh because no one really knew all the cards or the meta, you never knew what cards your opponent had. Every duel was a surprise

@megaspacewaffles

Ай бұрын

You still don’t today. Literally master duel I’ll see decks I have hardly ever seen before

YGO a decade ago was in the aituation MTG was in when Urza's block released. The meta was dominated by degenerate playpatterns, one turn kills, lockout effects, and an almost complete lack of interaction. Over 30 years ago WotC decided to take the health of the game over the immediate profit margin, banned most of the combo pieces, and released the second worst, and least powerful block in its history to rotate the degenerate set out of play. Following this, it took them twenty years to come close to that powerlevel again through incremental creep. YGO simply embraced this nonsense when it first happened, and became a completwly different game for it. I peraobally can not see the appeal of this type of design, but one thing os certain, it fills its own nieche. Jt is different. And perhaps that is enough.

There was a limited and semi limited list as new sets came out as early on as Magic Ruler from what I remember, like two MST and eventually down to one. Pharaoh Servant Imperial Order was limited as soon as it came out or just not long after. Most power house cards were limited all the way till the first ban list.

@stevenlindgren3314

2 ай бұрын

I’d like to redact my comment but I do recall limited list earlier than “2.5 years”

@wickederebus

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenlindgren3314 citation?

I think the point of "Old Yugioh" is that it mostly refers to the two very popular formats with Goat and Edison. These were both way past the original nightmare that was early Yugioh. I mean, I remember going to locals in 2003-2004 and everybody just played all the one-offs. And I was sitting there with my Relinquished deck with Senjus and such. On top of that, everybody was always eyeing your valuable cards and wanted the best possible deal to get them. I soon learned not to trade there at all. Anyway, I mostly think that the simplicity of the goat and edison formats is what attracts people to them. They don't mean this formation era. I don't think anybody likes the pre-first banlist era of yugioh. These two formats have a limited pool of cards still, especially goat, so it's way easier to know what everything does. There are multiple ways of playing, even though some strategies are somewhat better than others. And you actually get to play the game. Nowadays it's a you lose the die roll, you lose situation. You watch a person play solitaire for 10-15 minutes and then if you didn't open the outs or the hand traps, you are done and you can try the same thing in game 2 yourself, or in case of Master Duel, you can just surrender immediately and try to win the die roll next game. Anyway, to summarize; - yes, the first phase of yugioh until the first proper banlist (it was just a limited list before that) was terrible. - no, that's not what people are referring to when they say they like old yugioh more.

@Frogleeoh

2 ай бұрын

I would also like to add that even pre-2004 Yu-Gi-Oh could be considered as good as "yugiboomers" would have you believe, if only Konomi had adopted a much different banlist philosophy/policy much sooner. The general legal card pool for Vampire Format would make for a perfect pre-chaos DM era experience, if only for a sufficient Forbidden/limited list to remove the most degenerate strategies/powerful staple cards. I feel it's unfair to dismiss an "old school player's" preference for older formats even outside of Goat and Edison just on the basis that the banlist sucked. Imagine what playing traditional format in modern Yu-Gi-Oh would be like.

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

GX- Dm Causal yugioh is the only good yugioh everything else sucks

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

this guy in this video thinks people go classic yugioh good cause yata instead of idk being able to play some old anime decks for the lol's you cant have a for a lol's game in modern yugioh everything is super serious and competitive

@TheLyingFigure

2 ай бұрын

Goat format was when I considered the "good" period to start personally

@freezasama5802

2 ай бұрын

That's exactly what player mean by old school yugioh perfect summary

As an outsider to this game it has always looked like such a mess be it the TCG, the video games or the anime.

i think jirai guma and dark elf were totally viable back then, so mechanical chaser isnt even that good

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

I don't know about Jirai Gumo. Potentially losing 4000 LP to declare an attack was incredibly risky with what was in the format. You drop to 4000 LP then your opponent next turn plays change of heart and a normal summon and you're dead.

@yuumijungle548

2 ай бұрын

@@OvercastYGO if your opponent has a mechanical chaser and you dont, then this is the only way for you to get an advantage, not only that but if your opponent is thinking like you do, then your actually at the advantage instead, and also you could get lucky with the coinflip which means no drawback, plus you can also use it later on in the duel where your not at 8k lp, if solemn judgement existed back then, that wouldnt actually be too unlikely, by that logic solemn judgement is also a bad card. and you dont even have to attack with it if you dont need to, your opponent cant get over it with mechanical chaser, either way just putting this on the board is good for you.

entry level play was so much lower than it is today. Its hard to deny that yugioh today has a new player problem pretty badly.

There was no meta for kids. I miss the days where i got a starter deck and played with friends. Then once we got 5$ from our parents we went to the kiosk and bought a pack. Which pack? The one that looked the coolest oe had the most cards in it. Did it make sense? No. Were the cards mostly unusable trash, because we didn‘t know which packs had cards for our decks? Yes. Was it the best feeling if you got some cards that where prett good and you tried to make them work in your deck? Hell yeah. That what i miss. No metas, no chains, no long turns, just kids playing cards and having casual fun.

Tldr yugioh has always been a toxic card game but damn its fun kind of toxic

@troytheboy1985

16 күн бұрын

old yugioh not fun kinda toxic lol

I remember being 12 yrs old going to my 1st locals back in 2002 right around the time the 1st banlist ever got dropped and i remember getting beat by a guy round 3 who im sure was either a senior in h.s or college. I had my 2 starter decks and few packs i slapped together that i made a deck out of and he had torrential tributes , ring of destruction , Jirai gumo and all kinds of broken stuff i didn't have access too. I even remember another guy the same day getting dq for using 3 copies of exodia in his deck lol good times. I think people miss old yugioh mainly due to nostalgia but forget just how goofy the game was back then as well. Yugioh has always been pay to win imo.

My god i didnt knew how close goat was from having confiscation in the format lol

Wasnt there a limited list at the start? Like monster reborn, raigeki, pot ect that were limited to 1?

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

In the TCG, it took a few months for that to come in

After considering the pricetag of mechanical chaser, i would hope that cards nowadays have actual effects to be worth that kind of price

Really good video this was, i remember using dueling network, i think it was the very 1st programe i used the went onto YGOPRO

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

I miss duel accelerator, I remember spending all of my pay as you go mobile allowance on that game.

@matthewmellon3577

2 ай бұрын

@@OvercastYGO I never used that one it was mainly Ygopro

At least it was a game back then. Modern Yu-gi-Oh! is basically can you break the starter players FTK?

the old yugioh was better because it was simpler to understand and to play. Now, the game is so convoluted with so many mechanics and so many archetypes. Now, you need to understand the enemys deck better than your own deck. Other thing, before, it was simpler to create your own deck, and almost everyone play with their own deck that they build. Now, you can only play with archetypes, theres no much roon for customization. Sure, you can still create your own deck, putting cards that you like, but you will lose every match if you do so. All of that made that game boring to me, thats why i just stick with playing tag force and other games from that time

Those are just the first tier 0 and FTKs in the TCG, in the OCG their first teir 0 format was a FTK format (keep in mind the release order and such was different in the OCG), and it lasted for months, it was fueled by the fact that originally witch of the Black Forest and sangans effects would trigger when sent to the grave from anywhere, not just from the field, them only working form the field in the OCG was an errata, and cards like graceful charity and pot of greed where at 3, so if you used graceful chairty and pitched two of witch and or sangan, you esentaily got to draw 3 and search 2 exodia pieces, and this deck went uncontested for months, eventauly peaking once the cards cannon soilder and last will where released, you see last will also had a different effect from the one most TCG players know originally, and it esentaily put a permant effect on you for the whole turn, where any time you sent a monster ot the graveyard from anywhere, it automatically summoned a monster with 1500 or less attack from your deck, so if you could get up the will and discard two monsters, you could get up cannon solider plus either witch or sangan, and from there automatically search full exodia by repeatedly using cannon solider to sack the searchers, and keep in mind this whole time the pieces of exodia where all at 3 (you’d only run 2 of each, but it was still unlimited) if you want to see all this in more detail, watch Cimmos history of the OCG, it goes into much greater detail then a comment can

Just how tf does catapult turtle catapult itself? Lay upsidedown and shoots up? XD

@OvercastYGO

Ай бұрын

I did always wonder that myself

I played the game during the pre-banlist era. Yeah I was super OP. I never lost outside a tournament, and only lost to 1 guy in a tournament that had 3 copies of Exodia as I was running a modified BEUD deck. Now I know how Kaiba felt when he lost to Yugi for the first time.

the truth is that modern Yu-Gi-Oh is in its worst format, the difference in power between decks is so big that the meta is reduced to a few decks.

@OvercastYGO

Ай бұрын

This has been the case for most of the game's history, with the exception of a few formats like GOAT.

Best era was synchros, past that it was ruined.

Well, yeah. Old formats are better now than they were back in the day. Old expensive staples nowadays are chump change cards for the most part. No 70 dollar Magician of Chaos or 30 dollar Delinquent Duo. We also have a more standardize version of rules while back then said rules were still being come up on the fly to satisfy issues, or there was a lot of misinformation from kitchen table players making stuff up to try to 1up the opponent. We have a lot of hindsight too. Sure it's not perfect but it's still, not gonna say "better" but more suited to the tastes of those of us that prefer slower games with actions that are easier to assimilate on the moment without having to learn long combo chains/patterns by the dozen preemptively. Though, screw "ignition priority". The idea is that Traps at the time were cheap to set but monsters were scarce to play each turn, so I guess they wanted to give back some power to them, but the rule never made any sense, and when a monster like BLS could abuse it, oh boy could it.......

Old yugioh= I set a card (Giant Rat) and a facedown card (a ritual spell card but my opponent doesn't know and he will believe it could be magic cylinder and he may not attack), I end my turn. (prepare for either my muka muka or millenium shield if you attack lol) current "yugioh"=a 2 card combo? that's too slow and convoluted to play! Anyways I need my card has at least 4 effects (one of them a handtrap effect), removal protection , and it has to bring down my boss monster in turn 1 and an unbeatable lockdown board or is not worth playing! reeee!

i want to see the old school decks go up against meta decks of each era

By the way the reason a lot of these cards are so powerful (especially the hand ripping spells) is because they build them with the idea that people would use their entire deck and the game not being 2-3 turns, except yata-garasu

@AusVtuber

Ай бұрын

That just proves the devs didn't know how to design their own game. Ripping 1-2 cards out of your opponents hand, and in some cases also SEEING their entire hand puts you at such an astronomical advantage.

I really just miss the simplicity of the game, tbh

Dino Rabbit format is emblematic of this. Me: "i lost the die roll and I'm 2nd? K." Wind-Up opponent loops Hunter until you discard your entire hand. Next round: "wtf is this! I have to go first! Set 5, haha what now duelist?" Opponent is on Inzektor, Hornet pops your whole field then attack for 8000+. Meanwhile during this format you have the Dino Rabbit deck setting Solemn Judgment and Macro Cosmos behind Evolzar Laggia.

This doesnt make the case that it thinks it does. Regardless of broken strategies (all games have them), the difference between old yugioh and new is that its simply easier to follow and learn. This video was basically a practice in ignoring the real problem. Even the broken strategies back then were at least simple to understand and follow as a newcomer.

I remember the good old Fusion Lock (that's what we called it at least), slapping down Last Warrior from another Planet, putting Light of Intervention on the field, and then Imperial Order if you felt fancy. Wish we knew how good Solemn Judgment was back then. We also played with only 4000LP, so no Cyber-Stein to turbo it out. Good times, good times

I played through most of those. It wasn't THAT bad, since special summoning was pretty rare. Also, Sinister Serpent didn't deserve what Konami did to it.

I played from around 2003 until 2010 and never played competitively, but everyone I met played at least one deck with the Traditional format upon its creation. There were a few guys who had a second deck with the current ban list (Advanced format) but since we were playing casually at school most didn't use this format. When limiting forbidden cards to only 1 copy, yugioh was fun af back during the time of the original and gx series.

If some of those older cards had reprints, I would dabble and invest in those formats. I agree that thr competitive metas and direction of the game had its upsides and downsides. No Problem Solving Card Text really fucking matters too. Entire rulings and interactions are different because of its absence.

In the magical scientist days I was running Mataza otk. It was amazing. I miss hyperbolic effects. Modern broken decks are just as broken but they require 100 extra steps and cards.

This is my new favorite binge-watch channel!

DUEA 2014 meta reset Yugioh was the best meta ever.

4:53 Oh, you would absolutely despise old Pokemon (maybe even modern pokemon)

The difference is that you can actually play the game back then instead of consistently getting FTKd almost every duel. And most people back then weren’t playing meta, that was a niche group of people.

People who praise old school Yugioh have most of the time NOT played it at all. They just confused playground yugioh and the nostalgia attached to it as great and just not look at how the game ACTUALLY was

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

people who played it played for fun, The meta game for yugioh always sucked from the start to now it's just that now yugioh is only the meta game and only ycs players hence why nobody plays your garbage game aside from the same 8 tournament players

@sammydray5919

2 ай бұрын

@@nagatouzumaki4047 You do know even TODAY a lot of people play this game casually right? Like there is a reason why nostalgia and anime support is still printed and selling really well. People still play their favorite decks. Be it with friends or at locals. Back then there was a huge divide between playground and meta because of multiple factors like lack of internet and in turn less accessibility. Why do you think some of the most hated strategies of playground yugioh was stuff like pacman, ordeal etc along with floodgates?? Because they were all cheap and easily accessible and secondary online market wasn't a thing. No one enjoys playing against that but people still played it because it was fun to win with it even among friends. If people had access to the toxic meta cards back then even playground yugioh would have been infested with meta. Its just that simple. Nowadays you see more competitive coverage because of the widespread internet. People still play for fun. Even competitive players play because they enjoy the game because its not like there is any good prizing support lol. People play the game and in events because they enjoy it and especially because of the social aspect of meeting and physically playing with people. Why is that so hard to grasp?

@randombadchannel8700

2 ай бұрын

​@nagatouzumaki4047 you can still play it for fun with your friends. Some locals apparently hold the jank week. But don't Blane people at locals for wanting to win

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

most people at locals run meta you can find plenty of people directly saying this and most people on edopro or master duel run meta cause 99% of people who play yugioh are those who go to ycs

@nagatouzumaki4047

2 ай бұрын

you can still play trying to win while using a deck that dont lock your opponent out of playing people who play causual wanna win but they care about having fun too unlike meta players kinda sad how every defense for modern yugioh is just some delusion locals is apparently only tryhards only using the same meta decks and it's causual jank you just saying whatever to win, it's sad

To be fair, trying to translate a manga mtg rip off into a functioning card game where a lot of cards we're not tought with not having a resource system in mind shoud be a nightmare

we miss when it wasnt a guaranteed 1 or at most 2 turn game. strategies like defensive play or mill are completely useless as opposed to magic for example where while not meta its at least possible to play alternate strategies.

@OvercastYGO

2 ай бұрын

I mean Runicks are a thing.

I can't agree with you on this one. Old yugioh might've been impractical and somewhat unreliable when it comes to balancing, but it was way more fun than the new yugioh. And consider how many people started yugioh back in the day against today. With Master Duell and endless tutorials, yugioh is way easier to get into and still fewer and fewer people get into the hobby. It could be other reasons, but imo back in the day the cards were simpler, clearer and turns didn't take half an hour just for you to not being able to do anything due to the sheer amount of hand traps. Today the new yugioh might be better than the old for very competitive players, who do nothing but read on reddit about the newest engine & combos. But i think most yugioh players prefer the old yugioh.

I never made it past old yugioh because of how poorly balanced it was I also feel that some cards should've just had an errata rather than being banned like M.Reborn should have just been made to select from your own graveyard instead of any

IMO YUgioh peaked somwhere between Soul of the duelist and Duelist Revolution, where it had a lot of special summoning option, but not to that extreme it got later. Before that there have been a lot of broken cards though, but thats the destiny of any TCG.

I just find the game more fun and easier in the older times instead of having to figure out what link summoning and pendulum summoning is

I rcently got my wife into yugioh. Grabbed my bulk and took 10 classic spells, 10 classic traps, and 20 vanilla monsters for each of us. Its been some of the most fun we've both had in a while, and my favorite time in 12 years of this game

It's almost like the game was just badly designed from the start.

Graceful Chairity got unbanned a couple of times. But it wouldn't stay that way for more than a format. They never could figure out how to balance that card.

Old yugioh just needed a few tweaks here and there and it would have been perfect. It was new they just didnt know what to do at the time

Tbh whenever I talk about preferring YuGiOh back then, I mean the simplicity of it (ie only normal, tribute, fusion, and ritual summons, with Synchro, XYZ, Pendulum, and Link not existing, and special summons being much rarer iirc than it is now outside of those). The ban and restricted lists are a good thing and should have been there from the start, because even the anime showed how broken cards like Pot of Greed were. At the end of the day Yu-Gi-Oh is missing a vital piece that other popular TCG/OCG type games have, that keep them at least somewhat balanced as far as bringing creatures to the field, what moves/abilities can be activated, etc., and that's resource cards, like MTG's lands, or Pokemon's energy cards. My biggest issue with Yu-Gi-Oh, especially modern Yu-Gi-Oh because of how many removal/board wipe effects there are in general, is how common OTK decks and the like are compared to other TCGs because of that lack of resource control/management.

@Damini368

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, if they limited special summons per turn to something like 5, (allowing summon limit and summon breaker to still exist), it would have a similar effect, as long complicated combos would take an additional turn to finish and give the opponent a chance to interrupt before there are multiple omninegates on the field

@blackzero786

2 ай бұрын

In Pokemon, Professor Oak allows for a 7 card draw.

@randombadchannel8700

2 ай бұрын

​@Damini368 not really. It would just create an unbalanced between decks like labrynth that do full combo with very little summons and other decks.

@dudono1744

2 ай бұрын

From what I've seen, Commander games in MTG fairly often end with 1 player OTKing the whole table.

@WhipLash42o

2 ай бұрын

​@@dudono1744 Depends on the table, but in mid to high power tables thats usually what happens yeah. In battlecruiser style tables you're more likely to see big chunguses swinging for game or a load of tokens flooding the board. Higher than that though your chances of getting combo'd by something like Thassa's Oracle goes up.

pot of greed, raigeki,monster reborn, dark hole etc were limited to 1 FROM THE START. It was right there in the little manual that came with every deck. There was a limited list but no ban list From the every start. Saying you could play em by 3 just shows you never bothered to read the rules. Ignoring the limited list in the beginning doesnt mean it didnt exist. Lets not mention the period where all Spell/magic cards without a symbol on them were limited to 1.

I played Old YGO competative till 2008ish. You are right in many things but some of those toxic formats are no worse than later toxic formats either or modern YGO when opponents plays for 10 mins and builds a board which negates everything... Also on card i have to reflect on. Confiscation was never a problematic card while i was playing oftne people were not even running it and depended on the format aswell. If you start and open with Confi it can be really nice but that's the ideal scenario later you draw it opponent has 1-3 cards in the hand and you pay 1000 LP to make a 1 for 1 and maybe know 1-2 cards that's not a good deal 90% of the time. I do admit it was an excellent side deck card for sure where i was running it very often.

I think one of the things that made it “better” was that the game was simple. The summons and all the mechanics were easy and you could genuinely learn to play by watching one game. No 10 minute turns, no “our” turn, it was a game rather than two solitaire players interacting time to time.

@wickederebus

2 ай бұрын

*laughs in Goat format* Sure buddy. let me just Duo you for 2, spam my Upstart goblins, Thunder Dragon, Pot of Greed, and Graceful Charity, pitch the Thunder Dragons, and set Solemn Judgments and Raigeki Breaks with 2x Night Assailant in hand, and a Magician of Faith in the graveyard. I played Goat at a old locals once every month. Let me tell you, playing Card Destruction to make the PACMAN player discard his hand of monsters, then setting Royal Decree and locking his 5 trap cards in his endphase. That was a toxic combo. Hand ripping the Monarch player and Raigeki Break/Phoenic Wing Wind Blasting his tribute fodder every turn for 4 turns was hilarious.

@ganymedehedgehog371

20 күн бұрын

@@wickederebus I’m not saying that early yugioh was as simple as blackjack, but GOAT format is a lot easier to learn and follow as opposed to how the game is played now. The smaller card pool and less summoning mechanics helps a lot. Is there a lot of abusive cards? Yes there always was and still are, but there’s less layers to understand the spaghetti mess that is yugioh.