Why is it so hard for people to admit that they shouldn’t get paid like the men. Here a simple way to explain, if you are going to pay for advertising for your business, would you want a hundred people to see it or a million?? It’s that simple and why women will never get paid more unless they show their game is more physical, skilful and exciting.

@luns486

9 ай бұрын

Did you not see the news about how many tv ratings records the Matilda’s have smashed?

Women A-League players get paid poorly BECAUSE NO ONE GOES TO THE GAMES! All these people watching football for the first time and getting on the Matildas bandwagon who fire up over this issue need to be asked, "when was the last time you went to an A-League game?" The money to pay them has to come from somewhere. In most professional sports it comes from game attendance, TV and merchandise (jerseys mostly). If no one is going to watch the games, turn on their TV or buy a jersey then there is no extra money to pay the players. It is really very simple. The Matildas deserve to be on the same money as the Socceroos because they generate that revenue. They are delivering a product people for which are prepared to pay money. I would suggest most people watching the Matildas at the World Cup were doing so for the first time. How else do you explain the massive crowds? If they truly love women's football then they will now go to A-League games which will generate more money to pay players. This is not some conspiracy to suppress women. It is simple economics. Supply and demand. If people want to watch Women's football then they will pay for it.

I googled the Matilda's wages. They start on 100k a year. That automatically puts them into the top 10% of Australian incomes. Thats 20k a year more than i earn. I have a mortgage an a house to maintain. Your a pack of liars if you say you cannot live on 100k a year.

@luns486

9 ай бұрын

Did you watch the video? It just said that the Matilda’s are the first women’s sporting team in the country to be paid the same as their male counterparts. It’s not them that’s getting an unliveable wage, it’s literally every other women’s sporting team in the country.

@jt1559

9 ай бұрын

​@@luns486they aren't entitled to a liveable wage unless their competitions can provide it. Maybe if all the people out there complaining about the wages all went to the games, buy the jerseys and watched them on TV, they would then be able to earn a liveable wage. The men's competitions had to build up to that over decades, and this is despite having far bigger crowds than most women sports get.

Here we go again ...

Yeah and how come I have to pay to play football but Messi GETS paid millions. We both play for 90 minutes. It’s not fair. Equal pay for all footballers!

Why the differential? - Simple .. Bang for buck experience for the punter & advertisers. The fans dictate the outcome. Men provide a superior sporting outcome. All the females have to do is get as good as the mens competitions (in any sport) and you'll get the equivalent money.😐

@kiroolioneaver8532

9 ай бұрын

"All the females have to do is get as good as the mens competitions (in any sport) and you'll get the equivalent money." Actually they don't even have to do that. What they fundamentally have to do is provide an entertainment option that is as entertaining as what are perhaps more established or successful sports. U.S. college football and basketball, for instance, are much more popular than professional leagues of the same sport because the pageantry, tradition, the tie to academic institutions, the young age of the athletes, the fact the athletes are also students provides a value proposition to the consumer that the consumer will watch what is objectively an inferior product. I do feel, in having these discussions, a lot of women's sports leagues are reluctant to have the kinds of conversations that will allow their sports/leagues to better compete with other men's sports/leagues entertainment-wise that could potentially boost their popularity without having a knee-jerk "that's sexist" reaction to things like different playing surfaces or uniforms that better flatter the players bodies while still respecting that they are athletes and not models. In recent years (in North America for instance) men's sports leagues like the NBA, NHL, MLB, and NFL are constantly changing their rules, uniform, look in order to compete against each other and other forms of entertainment (pitch clocks, in-season tournament, ads on jerseys) despite backlash from sports purists.

Discrimination? They get paid more percentage-wise if you look at revenue they bring in.

@luns486

9 ай бұрын

Did you not see all the ratings that the Matilda’s smashed out of the water?

@jimmyg1260

9 ай бұрын

@luns486 r That is for one match. If they can keep the internet of people. They might make some money. If they were to get paid the same as the men they will bankrupt women's soccer in Australia

If it's more than $350 a week it's a livable income - that's what every student, jobseeker or "semi-disabled" person is living off.

@kyleeats5331

9 ай бұрын

You're not including rent and bill subsidies...

No one gave men a helping hand, why should women get helped. Stand on your own two feet instead of begging money from the mens side

@resolecca

9 ай бұрын

Don't lie men's sport was definitely pushed also don't forget sexism is a reality in sport

15 year old boys dominated the Matildas 7-nil. The 15 year old boys should get paid more money 😂

@luns486

9 ай бұрын

Um, what match are you talking about?

@drevil7684

9 ай бұрын

@luns486 in 2016 Newcastle under 15year old boys team played the Matildas and beat them 7-0

The funny thing is that whether it's nurses or teachers or women in sport they never earn enough despite the fact that their pay is always more than the average pay in Australia. Instead of asking to get paid more, complain about the high living costs of Australia because it affects us all.

@GlasgowCelticBhoy

9 ай бұрын

Hold on - just a minute. You said women's pay is always more than the average. So that MUST mean that men's pay is ALWAYS less than the average. Because the average needs to be made up of womens and mens pay. Just curious - when you write comments, how much actual thought goes into them?

@Ausf

9 ай бұрын

​@@GlasgowCelticBhoy They didn't say women's pay is always more on average than men's. What they said was that the people complaining about it are always earning more than average. Then they gave some examples. Nurses $82k. Teachers $85k. Matlidas $100-200k. Average salary in Australia is $69k. Just curious, when you read comments, how much thought goes into reading comprehension, and how much is gut reaction where women must be defended at all costs, even when they are wrong?

@GlasgowCelticBhoy

9 ай бұрын

@@Ausf I'm not defending women - that is a gut reaction by yourself. I'm just pointing out to the OP that their generalisation in their comment was stupid. Even with your clarifications of "the people that complain are ALWAYS earning more than average" doesn't exactly win me over - just more silly generalisations. I personally think the Matilda's should get less than the Socceroos unless they can bring in the same or greater revenue consistently. The pay equality debate doesn't resonate with me at all - didn't even watch the video to be honest, just here for the comments. So here we are - does the OP think before writing a comment. You think I should be better at comprehension before reading a comment. And I think you should also have a think before reacting to a comment. So we all suck - good job.

so where is the money supposed to come from when hardly anyone watches? i don't get it, should FIFA incur a loss so that players are paid the same? bizarre journalism

@resolecca

9 ай бұрын

Men's sport is sponsored pushed to make popular back in the day they could do the same now "if" the wanted to they just don't want to

But they just said it men play 52 weeks or women only play 35 weeks but want the same pay as a man who works 52 I don't think so can women even play that long as well at a high level at that if not all they should get is a modest increase but nothing compared to a man since we have to work more for the share

@antoniog8276

9 ай бұрын

They aren't well funded so they don't get the 52 week contract. It's not that they can't do it.

@enhancedutility266

9 ай бұрын

@@antoniog8276 they are funded where they need to be based off for productivity

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

9 ай бұрын

@@antoniog8276theres the answer, their not well funded, until people invest in their game they’ll only get paid what their worth when they bring the eyes and investors like men then they should get paid like men.

@NickM_FirstofHisName

9 ай бұрын

​@@antoniog8276Well, it would cost money to fund them more. If you want them to invest more money, they need to think they're going to see it back

The weird thing about pay discrimination when it comes to sports is that almost no where else in society do we make that argument on a "separate but equal" stance. QANTAS doesn't have a male and a female CEO who only work with only men or women respectively, they are the CEO and so paying one less than the other can certainly be pay discrimination. If a female player played on the Socceroos and wasn't paid like her Socceroo teammates were in Qatar because she was a woman that's pay discrimination. As such, the Socceroos and Matildas are two separate teams and entity's and so the argument becomes a little more difficult/complex/and nuanced.

Professional victims.

@bmorg5190

9 ай бұрын

100%

Get your own money , you aint pinching ours. Said the men

Just stop… 🤦‍♂️🤣

There's no pay gap. They are paid what they are worth.

They have to build the league up. Where's the money going to come from. Not many people watch women's sport. They bankrupt the sport

I don't believe in equal pay. No one should make as much as I do. If you make 100,000 then I need to make 101 thousand.

@stephenbachman132

9 ай бұрын

100k starting wage compared to regular Australians is big money. These people need to learn about money. How can anyone who earns in that much say its not enough. Ridiculous.

@theylied1776

9 ай бұрын

@@stephenbachman132 I know that you caught on that my comment was a joke. Here's what got my attention when I was watching the Australian version of the Today Show. They were interviewing an Australian Basketball player, and they asked him about his NBA draft offer. He was offered $130 Million for five years and the Hosts couldn't believe that he was offered that much money.

@stephenbachman132

9 ай бұрын

@@theylied1776 yes i know greed will always make us want more. Im just saying 100k a year is actually good money. More then most get.

Given that the Matildas advanced further in the competition than any men's team, it is only reasonable that they receive at least equal compensation to the Socceroos.

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

9 ай бұрын

If they keep getting the attention and investors than absolutely, my guess is once the cup is over they’ll be forgotten about again and their wages will be where they should be.

@DY-td3ku

9 ай бұрын

Why do you strive for equality if the Matilda’s bring in more revenue they should get paid more than the men but nobody watches them other than the World Cup including women

@jt1559

9 ай бұрын

It's a different competition and the amount a team earns has nothing to do with performance - it's all about the revenue brought in. The women's world cup barely makes 10% of what the men's does.

It's NOT even about the skill level. Yes, women's football plays at a lower level than men's football but it's NOT even about that. It's purely based on how much revenue you can generate from the consumers. It's market determined to the core. Answer me this, how many feminists who wants pay equality for women footballers have actually spent money to watch the women's A-League? How many? Maybe it's about time they put their money where their mouth is instead of telling others how they should spend their money.

@kiroolioneaver8532

9 ай бұрын

I agree, skill level is actually an irrelevant argument that people against equal pay tend to make when actually it's irrelevant as you rightfully state. People watch lower skilled over high skilled leagues all the time providing the product overall (due to in-game fan experience, established brands, tradition, marketing, etc.) is more attractive to the consumer. This is the entertainment business and so pay and revenue discrepancy is fluctuates between entities in the same part of the industry (e.g. Taylor Swift makes more than Shawn Mendes, etc.). U.S. college football is much more profitable than Canadian Football League football despite the CFL objectively being the higher skilled league. Ditto U.S. college basketball and the G League or even NBL. The coaches in the NCAA for both sports make more money and with NIL deals in place the top players make more money (albeit only in endorsements) than pro players playing their sport. Hell, female U.S. college basketball players actually choose to prolong their college careers because playing in the NCAA is a more profitable proposition than the WNBA.

Loool😅

All the best, please do not become political. The whole world is well done with it . Stand STRONG Many will uphold you. Join the same old, same old... We will not stomach it. Sporting bodies have gone way beyond what is palatable, nor acceptable. Your chance is here and now... to do better HIGHER It will not ✈

@NazriB

9 ай бұрын

Lies again? Shame On Men

Who watches woman football? My dogs?

@Michelle_Emm

9 ай бұрын

Average of 7.13 million viewers watched the Matilda's.

@AZ2PM

9 ай бұрын

@@Michelle_Emm Context is everything. The W League barely has a following, because the context is the local women's australia league. The women's world cup had a very different context. It was a global event, with the best female players and was hosted in Australia, upping it's relevancy. It was also our national team (we all support those) and they were winning (we love those too). But I doubt the revenue from the Woman's world cup gets anywhere near that of the Men's world cup, which is the biggest sports event in the world. As a result the revenue generated should dictate pay - like it does with any business.

@resolecca

9 ай бұрын

And that sexist attitude right there is the entire problem

@70AD-user45

9 ай бұрын

​@@resolecca What sexist attitude? There is no demand for women's football so they will always be paid less. It's simple economics. Why are you so obsessed equality anyway, when equality between men and women doesn't exist, and never will exist. In football, men are stronger, faster, physically fitter, more aggressive, more competitive, have greater endurance and stamina etc. That's what people pay to see. It's biological truth, nothing to do with sexism. Your agenda is based on a political woke ideology where everyone is equal, which goes against biological facts.

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

9 ай бұрын

@@Michelle_Emmtell me the numbers after the cup

Danny Townsend says the women's game in Australia doesn't make a cent but oversees a Club Benefits scheme where the men's game is paid $209mn compared to $11.5mn. If the Club Benefits scheme was made equal, the women's game would generate profit, female footballers could be contracted for 52 weeks a year and be paid properly too. It wasn't mentioned here but the Salary Cap for an A-League Women club is $600k for ~20 players. That's $30k for 35 weeks, equivalent to about $45k a year. In other words, not enough! The Matilda's, most of whom play overseas, may be on $100k+ but equality is about everybody, not just those at the top.

@DY-td3ku

9 ай бұрын

Other than the World Cup nobody watches them including women

@jt1559

9 ай бұрын

Athletes aren't entitled to be able to live off playing sport if the competition they play in doesn't generate enough income. What everyone forgets that in most male competitions, such as Aussie rules, league and union, only until the last 30 years or so were players able to play fulltime as professionals and the players had to have separate jobs.

Just get a job love, playing with soccer balls is just a hobby.

It's only fair that the Matildas get paid at least as much as the Socceroos considering the fact that they went further in the tournament than any men's team 🤔

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

9 ай бұрын

They don’t bring in the same money as men regardless of where they come in a tournament, why is that so hard for people to understand or is it that people wilfully overlook that fact.

@drevil7684

9 ай бұрын

No comparison. The men's tournament far exceeds the women's competition in every metric from skill level to the actual level of competition against them. The fact 15 year old boys beat the Matildas 7-0 zero is an example of how far away the teams are.

@NickM_FirstofHisName

9 ай бұрын

That's not how economics work

@limedickandrew6016

7 ай бұрын

@@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157 Hell, last season Leyton Orient (I'm talking English football here) were League 2 champions - fourth tier. They won more games, and played more games, than Liverpool did. And the finished the season with a trophy. However, Liverpool earned at least 100 times more. Why do you reckon that is?

@peppipoohductionswakashunt3157

7 ай бұрын

@@limedickandrew6016 4th tier answers that, I don’t follow soccer, I’ve never heard of leyton orient but I’ve heard of Liverpool. That’s self explanatory.

Make more money get paid more money...whats so difficult to understand?