I can't help but notice the most unimportant things, then become distracted by them. Like the fact that Mr. Mele doesn't blink. I'm 20 minutes in and I've had to rewind twice to hear what he said because I was only watching his eyes, waiting for something that never came.

@NotReallyJon

Ай бұрын

😂

Who here jumped over to the Rush Channel to Jam out for a moment. " If you choose not to decide,🎶you still have made a choice!"🎵

@AzzGoblin

3 жыл бұрын

Subdivisions 🎶🎶🎶

Fascinating, very well made, thanks for making it free to all.

@dbizas

2 жыл бұрын

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@drew-shourd

Жыл бұрын

Would you say it was their ‘will’ to make it free?

This is exactly why I let my magic conch shell make all my decisions for me.

@heaven4247

3 жыл бұрын

That's gonna itch.

@ilikethisnamebetter

3 жыл бұрын

Contact The Templeton Foundation, perhaps they'll shell out some money.

@KimDrewTheLine

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@goalking7778

3 жыл бұрын

I use a magic 8 ball

@kensurrency2564

3 жыл бұрын

Isn’t it funny how profound Spongebob Squarepants can be sometimes...

Freewill has a fractal quality to it. The choice you make now will affect the degrees of freedom for all future choices. There is a nested hierarchy of probabilities. Freewill is also determined by the nature of time. Inside of time it looks like freewill. Outside of time it looks like predestination. I have a set of possibilities before me, my perception of these possibilities is imprecise. I make a choice, my intention causes a course of action in the material world. This creates an expression that I experience, generating another set of imprecise possibilities. This continues ad infinitum.

@graestarr

4 жыл бұрын

ad nauseum

@dalep.2508

4 жыл бұрын

@@graestarr It sure can be

@dalep.2508

4 жыл бұрын

Tonya Leibach That's a personal problem

@mmm-cs7tb

4 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@gazmasonik2411

4 жыл бұрын

All depends on perspective The ego can make infinite points within finite space 'mumber can always be infinite Just add one more at the end of course not beginning?! Lol.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” ― Epicurus

@damienrockstarthholyonofg3103

4 жыл бұрын

you can only get to good by allowing evil to have free will, then after they do what they wanted to do, only then, can God convict them to do as he wills

This was awesome. Thank you for putting this conference and video together :)

Questions is the spice of life. I think its what makes us human. To question anything, especially yourself is the greatest thing you can do.

@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

We have free will. People forget that we have a soul, it is you, your soul that is reading this right now. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft and the pilot is the soul.................falundafa

Thank you so much really enjoyed this 🙏🏽✨💛✨

It's all free will because it's all you ... Once you understand that you are everything you can begin to understand that you created the situations that you face however you are hiding from yourself and using others as a mirror to figure out who you are.

@thesavantart8480

3 жыл бұрын

But what is this "you" that you talk about? The brain? Because the brain does not have free will and therefor neither do "you"

@vinnygiggidy

3 жыл бұрын

Word salad

It’s very simple: 1) We know beyond doubt that the nature of conscious experience depends on the state of the physical brain. 2) The physical brain obeys the same physical laws as all other physical matter in the universe. 3) We have two working theories of the nature of matter: i) classical mechanics (deterministic) ii) quantum physics (random, stochastic) 4) Free will in terms of the physical brain is compatible with neither determinism nor quantum mechanical models of matter. 5) There is no logical nor evidential basis for a belief in free will. Free will is not even an illusion. It’s a misapprehension, like believing the world is flat.

@jamespaternoster7354

Жыл бұрын

Very well said 👌👍 it saddens me reading the comments and so many people just don’t understand the non existence of free will or deeply just can’t accept that free isn’t possible

@jamespaternoster7354

Жыл бұрын

Very well said 👌👍 it saddens me reading the comments and so many people just don’t understand the non existence of free will or deeply just can’t accept that free isn’t possible

Freewill is a vehicle through which predestined event's take place.

@jcoats1203

3 жыл бұрын

Brian McNellis Interesting. This concept seems to cause several different ideas I have to fall into a logical order. Thanks for your input.

@philphilby7777

3 жыл бұрын

Brian you nailed it. Very profound, so profound these words feel like they came from your consciousness and not your mind.

@brianmcnellis5512

2 жыл бұрын

@@philphilby7777 interesting that you should say that Phil, it did come to me during a “dark dream” without any visual component..

such a treat to listen to these philosophy professors. I really think at the end of the day free will is a logical problem not a neurological one. It's still nice to see so much interdisciplinary collaboration

@EinsteinKnowedIt

2 жыл бұрын

If you take logic to the nth degree then yes you have something. Cuase and effect are infinitely linked in thought. Cuase and effect simultaneously infinitely linked in motion and rest.

@cliveadams7629

2 жыл бұрын

It's just physics. The ball can only roll down hill

@Peakfreud

2 жыл бұрын

I like your word Selection, you said you "Think" which is humility. Too often these comments claim to "Know" which is an exercise in free will to lie to ones self.

@LemonChecks

2 жыл бұрын

agree. i think mind and biological brain or independent systems - where the mind is not originating from the brain - but nevertheless the 2 are connected. (somehow) look up compatiblism if you have a chance..

@liamcarter7597

2 жыл бұрын

@@LemonChecks I’m not going to assume it’s intentional, but that claim is very ignorant to the scientific evidence that we have. The ‘mind’ is completely based in physical processes. There is no ‘spiritual being’ inside you or similar if that’s your train of thought.

"I believe I have free will - I have no choice." - Christopher Hitchens.

@jakecostanza802

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Victor Buch He robbed Sartre.

@gerardmoloney9979

4 жыл бұрын

That about wraps up Hitchens' understanding and logic. He was a very intelligent and articulate man so much so that he drew his conclusions very fast and in my mind too fast. He always seemed to show his delight in his own GOD GIVEN GIFTS to be able articulate his fast thinking mind and wit without stopping to analyse the reasons for information supplied in the bible. For someone with his ability to read and find fault that supported his convictions in the bible, he never seemed to not take time to understand the not so obvious underlying meaning of the scripture. The bible actually has a statement in it, if I remember correctly, which warns about those who think themselves wise as being fools. God have mercy on him and grant him eternal rest in peace Amen.

@tommyvictorbuch6960

4 жыл бұрын

He was a naughty boy.

@jakecostanza802

4 жыл бұрын

Tommy Victor Buch my favorite

@markmarino5053

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher who ?

Fantastic! Such a big question to cover in such a short space of time. It would be great to see this followed up with looking into other belief systems and religions. Also amazing to see the 3 disciplines working together.

@CCShorts

3 жыл бұрын

After reading your response I believe you would enjoy the Consistent Calvinism podcast. Have you heard it yet? consistentcalvinism.podbean.com/e/free-will-is-logically-impossible-for-us-calvinism-vs-arminianism/

@growgoodco

3 жыл бұрын

@@CCShorts thanks Josh. I’ll go and check that out.

@CCShorts

3 жыл бұрын

@@growgoodco Thank you for considering checking it out. It has been an eye opener for me. You can also find it on KZread here... m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/n4iKlcydla7Uh5M.html Also if you would like to see his real time interactions you can check him out on Twitter @CCalvinism

@growgoodco

3 жыл бұрын

@@CCShorts I’ve found it on Spotify and will check it out next week on my morning walks!

@firstlast9312

2 жыл бұрын

L

i've always felt an aura of predetermined timelines & events where i'm just a spectator here - simply going.experiencing the motions 🤷🏽

@constructivecritique5191

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and you probably choose to sit back and observe for a reason. So you could better understand and give full attention to things happening around you without being distracted by what you were doing.

@michaelbruns449

2 жыл бұрын

Thats probably dejavu remnants of reincarnation memories...

@constructivecritique5191

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbruns449 or he is just doing nothing but observing how things work without him. Supervisors do it best. Then they go and tell everyone the great work they did. Amazing, lol

@Peakfreud

2 жыл бұрын

That's a shared experience for many. Some even have it as a personality trait, not saying this applies to you at all, but Disassociative Personalities feel this way consistently. Thanks for sharing you experience And thoughts

@LemonChecks

2 жыл бұрын

@@trafficjon400 huh ？..

If you do something for me, I will pay you back if I can. If you do something TO me, I will pay you back if I can. Hail morality!

Excellent documentary. Thank you for making it free

@TuringMachine001

7 жыл бұрын

Closer To Truth - Big Questions in Free Videos

@gidmanone

6 жыл бұрын

it is't free. you spent an hour+ of your life to watch it.

@ec1385

5 жыл бұрын

Well, they really didn’t have a choice...

@josephrossomando4528

5 жыл бұрын

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Who's work are they inquiring about? God's! What then is God's work? Belief on Him? What is belief, but FAITH. So it is not my choice to come to faith But God's work in me that I should beleive on Him!

@josephrossomando4528

5 жыл бұрын

NO, PLEASE READ UNTIL YOU SEE! John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Who's work are they inquiring about? God's! What then is God's work? Belief on Him? What is belief, but FAITH. So it is not my choice to come to faith But God's work in me that I should believe on Him!@JC​

Fascinating modern analysis and exploration of the concept of free will from a variety of persepctives: neuroscience, psychology, philosophy and theology.

Dear Closer To Truth: Can you please activate the checkbox of the CC (close caption) for all your uploaded and uploading videos? That would help many including those with English as second language and those with reading/accessibility needs. Thanks!

Letting go of the idea of free will had the opposite effect on me than it did on the people in the study. I was able to let go of long carried shame and started setting up environmental systems and removing barriers to help me accomplish my goals....instead of depending on "will power" and failing again and again. I also became more forgiving of myself (and others) and more resilient. Of course I have ADHD so the areas of my brain that are used for executive functioning (as in will power, decision making, and initiative) are under developed. I would have liked to hear more about how these studies pertain to neuro-diverse people.

@paulheinrichdietrich9518

4 жыл бұрын

Spinoza would say that by understanding the causes of our actions and how everything is determined we became more free since we let go of irrational passions such as hatred, fear or hope, and by means of this understanding become more "free".

@nicholaswion846

4 жыл бұрын

In what way does exerting deliberate control over ones environment, as opposed to primarily relying on exerting energy to overcome resistance in the moment, equal an abandonment of the concept of Free Will? it sounds to me more like you have discarded a false expectation that Will POWER, is somehow supposed to be effortless, and recognized that you can produce much better results, by employing your Free Will much earlier.

@jameseverett9037

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholaswion846 - yes, and ironically, he had to employ free will to even suppose he COULD "let go" of the idea of free will. Whether or not I even CAN "let go" of an idea, would depend on whether I had free will or not. Then on top of that, use free will to decide to manage his environment for a better outcome. There is so much free will in his statement that it begs the question what he thought free will was.

@nicholaswion846

4 жыл бұрын

@@jameseverett9037 Like I said, it seems to me that they were expecting that if ones Will were Free, that Willpower should be effortless: but its one thing to assert that making different choices is possible, quite another to suggest that it should be easy.

@jameseverett9037

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholaswion846 - right -another crucial point. People question free will as if we are either always using it or else it doesn't exist. It may be that having it isn't the same thing as using it, and that it's quite possible that most people never use it at all, but go through life as automatons. Even having a sense of free will doesn't mean one is really using it, but just sensing it, being too afraid to use it.

This has always been a struggle for me finding a middle ground in theology with free will.

@Peakfreud

2 жыл бұрын

Like wise. I'm always skeptical and distrustful Of those who claim to know the unknown.

@justincredible.

2 жыл бұрын

A "god" who knows everything, even before you know it and made a devine plan (long before we all existed) leaves *NO* space for a free will!

@MrFlameRad

2 жыл бұрын

@@justincredible. not necessarily. If you break out of a linear understanding of time, and a material understanding of consciousness, it's possible for free will and determinism to coexist. I'll explain if someone replies with such a request. Something I've thought about for some time.

@hansdampf4120

2 жыл бұрын

If you asume god is all-knowing and timeless, free will and theology can easily coexist. There is only a problem if you asume you are the only one who knows your thoughts or god is restricted by time.

@youaresomeone3413

Жыл бұрын

There absolutely 100% is no such thing as free will in this life, if we had free will there would be no rules no laws no regulations and no punishments, we wouldn't be trapped in the body bound to earth if there was free will. We ONLY have choices, do we have free will to choose? Sure but even the free will in choosing is limited because the choices are presented to us.

Liked the video and have subjects to fact check. Reminds me of the class discussions we had on free will in Philosophy class in college.

Wow. This is the entire reason I so appreciate the internet. While it can be used to spread bullshit, lies, and half-truths, it can also be used to entertain, enlighten, and educate, which this podcast has accomplished so eloquently. THANK YOU.

@John--

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This is the kind of content that we need.

@AmericanBrain

2 жыл бұрын

tiffsaver - 1. Physics is not the underlying reality. 2. By far most scientists are correct within their narrow domain but incorrect about the construct of the reality (and science) they are using! For example: for many "love' is merely/exclusively chemical titillation; a mere game and the essential reality is the 'selfish gene' seeking to survive long enough to propagate. To the same scientists - Like illegal immigrants from South and Central America: the southern U.S. border is merely a "useful fiction" . These many scientists are practicing immorality, illegality of the mind. "Pretending" they have free will (as Dawkins himself claims) to skirt around the former scientific finding about "lack of free will corrupts ethics" so they pretend they have free will. _____________________________ So what is the truth? Metaphysics: what is actuality-reality? Existence. So the first branch is metaphysics that I have covered over and over and over again with Q.E.D. absolute whole complete truth: -> existence exists - but who do you know that? You can validate it by touching something or pointing to something. Main point: consciousness is the identification of existence. Therefore , consciousness is separate to existence (separate to the brain; a sui generis - unique so nothing can be analogized yet so many compare it to a computer that it is not). Consciousness is potent (it acts; perpetual first cause and the effect is thought or behavior). You make it act as a unified being : brain, body and mind. However the mind is "PROPERTY DUALISM" [but NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT and NOT substance dualism SO Descartes, Plato and Kant , amongst all other philosophers are wrong). The entire reality is existence but the mind is of existence yet separate to it (property dualism) with its own cause. So if one identity identifies another identity then it stands to reason there is truth: Aristotle's law of identity. And back to your question- how to know truth, identity of anything, know what is right; or what is "knowledge" ? The methods of reason and logic. In other words to use one of two faculties of mind : rationality [methods of reason and logic that must be learned practiced and mastered. Therefore you can turn a POTENT mind into a COMPETENT mind]. The other faculty of mind is emotions: "faith" (feeling of certainty). This is NOT the right faculty of mind to REACH VALID CONCLUSION. It is however the RIGHT faculty of mind to ENGAGE the conclusion with motivation zest, passion like nocturnal activity with loved one - animalistic-ally! The aim is NOT to be SPOCK but to be CAPT. KIRK ! _____ Epistemology: but how do you know any truth? Reason and logic. So how do you know what is right ? You use the methods of reason and logic. That is the second branch of philosophy (correct truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth - and only my philosophy) called epistemology. ___________________ Ethics: man's code for living. _____________________________ Man can chart out ethics with a thought experiment of being stranded on a desert island. What "actions" [virtues] must man enact to sustain his "values" [e.g. life itself]? You can see this on Discovery channels' "Naked and Afraid". Man must (in no particular order) exercise : rationality; productivity (ask yourself how on a desert island where you're stranded); honesty; integrity (live according to your values such as valuing life); pride in your achievements; independence (of mind: you are always responsible); sex; happiness; selfishness: seek your "rational" self interest at all times in all things. justice : you reap what you sow The fact man lives amongst others in society does not "change" ethics. Ethics is Objective: abstracted from the nature of existence. Side notes: when stranded on a desert island rationality is needed to know how to gain food; and you need to exercise productivity to make sure you meet your food needs; build shelter and be "honest" with yourself about your conditions. Many will act irrationality in a panic. Some or many will die in a mental state called "learned helplessness". There is no lack of real life stories of people today being stranded such as in jungle , ocean or desert (due to running out of fuel or other conditions). For example if you are to fish: it turns out to be extremely hard without rationality. To even stab the fish needs one to know about striking vertically in the water! And so many plants, fish and animal are poisonous. Man needs to exercise rationality such as 'cooking the fish'; prospectively 'testing' the food somehow using rationality to determine if one will get sick. Man is a distinct identity from other species. Whereas all other species come pre-adapted to the niche environment , man however must by his identity "invade the environment" and "create value' by re-organizing the environment. There is a difference between absolute primitive man (including other hominoids) and the first rational man that appears about 70,000 years ago with art (jewellery), rituals (e.g graves, burial) , tools (for hunting, for defence etc.) , discovering "fire" etc. So many of the 7 billion humans above have not overtly identified the contents of this post - including many Nobel and other scientists. Many yearn for a return to primitivism in fact such as the green (communist) movement of modern youth. _____________________________ Politics: why does man need a government and what kind? A democracy is to protect Sovereign man through the arms of government such as police, the law courts and the military. A pandemic is an example of top down government advisory or action. From man's right to life, comes man's right to property: to acquire, maintain, dispose or trade your services or property (e.g. hat, cat, mat). A trade is a meeting of mind between two people without fraud or force. The only evil is force or fraud. Evil is all too real and hence man needs a government. "Fiction" like deity or devil is not needed. So the only correct ethical method of economics is capitalism (not socialism). Finally aesthetics: man's mind needs art like man's body needs oxygen. Good art magnifies man's truthful perception of reality. Bad art evades, avoids or escapes from reality. Man CAN enjoy bad art like man can enjoy the evil of "non consensual" intercourse - but that does not "make it right". _____________________________ So there you go the entirety of actuality-reality: Metaphysics: existence Epistemology: reason Ethics: code for liberty Politics: democracy with capitalism Aesthetics: art of all kinds. The above is Objective philosophy. This means all other western philosophy is "mysticism with muscles" just like "if and when" science is inappropriately used to be "the philosophy" (even if it is not labeled that way) by many scientists. The contents of this post are the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The contents here are the "Holy Grail" [metaphor] and "Arc of the Covenant" [metaphor]. They are the complete truth of life, about life, and the meaning of life. Life is benevolence (not malevolent) because you can exercising free will to chart out your destiny (goals, values, dreams). There is no guarantee you will achieve all dreams: but one can guarantee the "process" using reason. _____________________________ Science is very good but does not exist in a vacuum. Science subjects are trees on the forest floor . The floor is philosophy at all times in all things - otherwise you can NOT even "Do" science, you can NOT even "assert" ANY truth. For example to "do" science needs one to perpetually assume there is "existence" and your mind is efficacious (with free will) that differentiates experiment from control; that is able to abduct, induct and deduct in order to generate hypothesis, conduct experiment reach valid conclusion. Otherwise it is inevitably "non science" [keyword: nonsense] and there is no lack of cranks out there. Right ? _____________________________ What is the mind again? Spirit belongs to the mind. The mind is "Sui generis" : a novel entity that is delimited , finite and potent. It belongs to you, is generated by you for your life and you have free will. How can we know that? You can identity existence if you are a rational man. The choice between existence and lack thereof, is the correct choice (unlike mental patients. This is not an insult - this is the literal truth). So the mind is real, of reality, of existence which is equivalent to reality as it "is". The verb "to be": is . It is not Shakespeare's "to be or not to be". Existence just "is" : a concept of infinity - it was , it is and it will be. Existence is an identity. So is the mind another identity. We can confirm Aristotle's law of identity. Man can therefore come know reality and precisely: using the methods of reason and logic. Therefore we have charted out an extremely large number of concepts codified by words in the dictionary. The dictionary gives a short hand definite tag or summary of any and all concepts. It is philosophy used correctly that must elaborate : integrate and associate using the rigor of reason and logic. __________________________ Physics means science. Science is about approximations: specifically about "practical explanation" of reality. Underlying science is philosophy. This is about "absolute" truth, not "practical explanation" . Moreover it's about complete truth throughout spacetime from the pre-quantum to the astronomical. There are many places that philosophy can not tread : it needs your physics. There are several places that physics can not tread it needs the "exclusivity' of philosophy. That said: in all things at all times physics is forever dependent upon philosophy. _____________________________

@tiffsaver

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanBrain I strongly suggest you put your next comments in a LARGE BOOK, not on You Tube. Jesus...

@AmericanBrain

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffsaver Is it all quantum ? Feynman didn’t think so and he is a Nobel for quantum ! Then is it all mysticism or scientism ? Intellectual post warning ⚠️! Friends : Soon New Year - belated merry Christmas 🎄 ! I said to friends that “I am having fun arguments with scientists that demand proof . Never buy into neither mysticism ( anything goes ) nor mysticism with muscles like above . The only truth is what I’ve told you about life , mind and the cosmos. But others ask : “fine ! Proof ?” Enjoy 😉!!!! “ ref: Assertion vs Proof vs Validate . Assertion : any fool including me or you can assert anything - free speech . Proof : scientific concept of importance. But science is not your religion else it’s scientism . Science AND math is inevitable intrinsically dependent upon reason and logic such as but not limited to : interpretation of data . -> Otherwise string theory can mathematically prove manyworlds ( million you per second in a million universes as this satisfies Schroedinger’s cat dilemma cat 🐈‍⬛ in quantum physics ); or another theorem - multi dimensions beyond four ( there’s dimensions you can’t see - 10 or 24 dependent upon which mathematicians you talk to ) . But Harrry Potter is grammatically consistent and correct AS WELL like math ! ->>> It still does not make fictions into fact . Never buy into fiction of any type EVER again . You’re remain poor , decrepit , failed , forgotten then Dead 💀 and forgotten ! Instead grab life : navigate it using the correct map 🗺- this is the territory below 👇! ---- So there’s a third way and a reason for this . What? Validation ! How so? -> You can never proof metaphysics ! Why not ? You need antecedent evidence so it’s a logical contraction of infinite regress ! Equivalently MATRIX is out today in the movies leveraging Plato ( the beliefs of most scientists and all mathematicians and computer 🖥 universe ): simulation hypothesis like God or your religion of Scientism ends up in infinite regress - who is the creator of the creator? -> And their creator ? Infinite regress . Error in logic . So what alternative is there - and why ? You can touch or point to something and exclaim as an “ostensive” definition - you can grab a chair 🪑; you can “validate” something exists as opposed to nothing - an act of free will but only in rational human beings ( not mental patients not A.I nor Animals). ->> Consciousness is the identification of existence. Consciousness validates existence . So you have metaphysics ( reality ) that is validated and self consistent: existence , consciousness with free will and Aristotle’s law of identity . But the above therefore ( therefore) means the mind is separate: to existence , to your brain 🧠! Sui generis - unique ( no metaphor , no analogy works ; de novo ). What else is this way ? Life versus non life ( think of the difference between a recently deceased beetle and a living one 🪲!) A scientist can speculate a phase transition ; a strong emergence ; a unique level in the hierarchy like biology is dependent on physics indeed but physics has no equation to predict unfolding (exaption ) evolution. No concept of “entail” based causation ! Instead law of identity means de facto self evident - corollary - law of causation is part of metaphysics . So the mind is perpetual first cause . Please note scientists did away with the colloquial word “cause”. Layman use it to articulate things choosing arbitrary starting points / cut of lines . But in reality : existence exists as in existed , exists and will forever exist ( an infinite , steady state like concept ). But there is causation built into the fabric of the cosmos : law of identity. In order for man to logically discern pattterns at the broadest level such as how the mind works ( your important repetitive question ). Summary : you want to know causes and evidence ( but you incorrectly use the word proof ; thereby making yourself a cult religion of scientism . Science is great . Statues are art . Statues are not Deity as Indians make out . Science is not a religion but a methodology that must ultimately be interpreted by the set above 👆: twin methods of reason and logic. Computers can’t use reason but have blazing speed precise logic . ----- Sir Roger Penrose the Nobel 2020 says the mind is non algorithmic and non computational. The universe a infinite serial Big Bang . He invokes Goedel’s theorem as theory and Intuition used by mathematicians to break out of the algorithmic box 📦 and see a whole new pattern : that computers can NEVER do ( never ) but man can with expertise in math ( or chess ). Sir Roger is almost where I am ; far beyond your impossible CONTRADICTION in theory ( the opposite of any reason or logic ; you having myth and mysticism as your background philosophy but unlike a muslim you’re unaware of so doing ). ->> But Sir Roger is also wrong ! He is also deriving reality like you but from theoretical math . I told you math and science are subset of rationality ; not the superset ! He like you has the syntax wrong . Error ! Consciousness is the identification of existence. -> So existence first and primary . Consciousness is therefore an act of free will : potent ; separate to existence. Finite and delimited to your life ( but existence is infinite ). As one “identity identifies another identity” you have Aristotle’s law of identification. --- Metaphysics : existence , consciousness and identity . But how do you know the above identity and any truth ? Epistemology means the methods of reason and logic are man’s only way to reach truth . You use a potent mind in all your assertions to me . But you’re incompetent as you’re not fully scrupulously ; you are not correctly using rationality . You are prejudiced by feelings and /or incorrect concepts at the wrong level - the concept you call proof . A dog is not a cat even though both are mammals with mostly the same genes 🧬 as each other ( and you )! A gorilla 🦍 even more so like you ! But a wholly different identity nevertheless ! A wholly different concept : specifically a different IDENTITY! Boom 💥! Similarly proof is like validation but a new concept is needed at metaphysics . Validation is a concept wider than proof . There is no antecedent evidence at metaphysics to prove things - it’ll lead to GOD like infinite regress error ! Instead consciousness is the identification of existence. Existence exists . Consciousness Aristotle’s law of identity . The triad in this sequence is metaphysics . You can validate it in a consistent non-contraction using reason and logic . Any other thought , idea , way leads to error : try to say there’s no existence as no proof and/or because if you look at an atom you end up with nothing but a pattern , a bundle of mere energy so nothing reality exists ( austere metaphysicians incorrectly using science or philosophy do exactly that )! But wait ! They like you are stuck at the wrong concept : proof .

@AmericanBrain

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffsaver Thanks . FRESH POST 106 ON CONSCIOUSNESS AND PHYSICS. Sabine and Sam Harris literally want you to believe you are a "mindless drone" . You are C3PO! What utter bunk. This post will show you the reasoning. One man just told me an Ancient Greek was going to punish his servant for theft arguing the servant had free will . The man told me the servant agreed and advocated the determinist argument . When I told him he is wrong explaining it in depth he replied : “ your aggressive word salad proves I am right “ ; about himself . I replied : “ 1. your logic is in contradiction . An aggressive response does not “therefore” mean it’s lacking in logical rigor . It does not therefore ( keyword : therefore) mean you are right . In fact you were absolutely wrong . You are not wrong because I say so as any nut job ( me?) can say anything . You are wrong “because” you are in logical error . How ? A slave that has free will uses the opposite argument - as if you are therefore right , a circular argument ; an error of logic . Write to ANY high ranking university in this earth ( 10 months by leagues in the USA 🇺🇸 or Oxford and Cambridge in 🇬🇧 UK ) and I’ll write you a million dollar check if you are right ( and we can go to the press for lifelong notation after that - I will destroy your reputation for life ). Circular logic is an error of logic . Therefore it is you - you - that spike “word salad” 🥗 for this expression itself means logical error particular pertaining to circular logic . Conclusion : both of your premises were wrong . Do you even undressed the meaning of the word “premise “? Have you ever even studied logic ? Never again come to a Gun fight armed with a simpleton’s knife 🔪. You just got slaughtered in public . These posts will remain here for your grandchildren to see . P.S. The slave exercised free will in a clever way ( logically and competently : reason AND logic ) to get out of a beating . Socrates FAILED to do that getting trapped like Spock in logic . Computers are great with blazing fast with logic but man has free will based consciousness including methods like induction that A.I /computers lack . Sam Harris , Sabine , you and others are writing about the mind . Sir Roger the NOBEL also asserts your mind is necessarily non algorithmic and non computational. Do you understand ? We ( Sir Roger and I) both reach the same conclusion using different lines of argument . My argument is the only consistent present and correct one , wholly . I like his argument using Goedel’s therorem . He is wrong because “Goedel applied to Goedel” implodes like Bertrand Russell’s “Liars paradox ( error)”. So only I am wholly absolutely completely consistently correct about your mind and "free will" in the history of humanity using logic ( not faith , not belief , not emotions , not your preexisting prejudices / bias to be seen as a mindless drone like Sam Harris has had you believe about yourself ) . _____ New readers : consciousness is the identification of existence. You can touch a chair and exclaim something exists. Therefore existence exists as opposed to no-thingness. But how do you know that again? I repeat: consciousness is the identification of existence. That means you exercise free will to distinguish and differentiate something from nothing reaching the correct conclusion only if you are a rational person because computers can NOT do that, nor can mental patients nor animals. So if one identity (consciousness) identifies (an act) the other identity (existence) then it means there is Aristotle's law of identity [truth]. So all this is true. Metaphysics [what is reality] is existence, consciousness (with free will) and identity. But how to know what is the identity of anything (like a cat is not a dog) , i.e to know truth? The twin methods of reason and logic. So you do have free will: your mind is potent not impotent like a computer. And your mind can be competent if you learn, use and practice the methods of reason and logic; like a chess aficionado practicing their game. Your game also has rules (of logic). Science is not the ground floor of existence. Science is merely a technique like karate is a technique - both VERY USEFUL. But to do science needs man to grasp , interpret and induct - all acts of mind. To use karate in self defence needs man to grasp it is all right by the law else the man is a brute that justifiably deserves criminal sentencing - right ? NEITHER SCIENCE NOR KARATE exist "a world apart" from reality but are tools of reality, of philosophy as subsets.

It would be great if they included a quantum physicist like Henry Stapp in this project,

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

Forrest Valkai made a good video about Gender and the stuff Science writes Books about here.

These conversations are all awesome and everyone has amazing houses..

@el6178

2 жыл бұрын

@DecrepitOrigin888 money for all.

@bluebee5266

2 жыл бұрын

Scientific Academia is big business.

@georgebernstein12

2 жыл бұрын

Penrose’s interview was clearly in a library or some other public building

the problem of free will is like most other problems in philosphy, its limited by your perspective. if you dig to deeply into the fabrics of the universe, you wil find it all to be illustions, even a physical table (wich most people think of as a "thing") is also something that happens and the configuatation its in at the moment is such that we label it as a table.

@AchievingLife

2 жыл бұрын

And then we can ask what is a table - it is different things to different people. Caves of forms and particulars, or the Yogacara and Three Natures. Is it then the mind/body question or the question of what is matter? Whether we call it free will or determinism what are all the "things" that are making the decision (being the cause) that is having an effect?

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

But the table IS physical, to us! The being that we are made of flesh and blood, the table is very real - that view gets lost sometimes

@jesperbllefr719

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 yes, lets not get lost in the wouu here, both you and the table are real physical objects. but physicality is also an emergent phenomenon

@technomage6736

2 жыл бұрын

I argue that it's worth noting that the very idea of an "illusion" is only a concept. A mind can perceive something that other minds, or even itself, might consider abnormal (illusion), but THAT this mind percieved what it perceived actually happened, and was a result of the natural universe doing it's thing. When a high enough percentage of minds agree on perceptions, we call this "real", and when small percentage percieve something, we call it illusion. Useful for all practical purposes, but worth understanding that it's a human concept.

@Peakfreud

2 жыл бұрын

@@technomage6736 "When a enough agree it becomes real "- Techno Mage Well said my friend.

I watched a debate between an atheist and a Christian. I am a Christian, but the atheist had one of my favorite quotes - "I say we have free will because we have no choice. You say we have free will because God said so." Truly, if I have "free will," it was forced upon me. I didn't choose it, and would prefer not to have it. As it is, I would prefer to have God's perfect will which is incapable of even thinking of doing evil. I'd rather act like Jesus than myself, because I have evil thoughts that I cannot control, which cause me to do evil sometimes.

Looked at from outside(objectively) the will is causally determined, and that looked at from inside(subjectively)it is free.

@thesavantart8480

3 жыл бұрын

No it is not free. You can't have both.

@muhali3

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesavantart8480 he’s just saying that we have the experience of free will but whatever we end up doing is determined by physical causes that preceded our experience of free will.

@adamsawyer1763

2 жыл бұрын

@@muhali3 I don't know about you but I have the absolute certainty that I have conscious causal power over my mind and body. If there's a problem it's with scientific models and the interpretation thereof that assume only deterministic or random causes exist. Our most basic experience of existence as conscious entities pokes an enormous hole in our most cherished objective theories of the universe.

Thank you for doing such an amazing project! I'm so proud of humanity 💜

Another issue they arent considering again is preknowing is NOT predetermined as in chosen for you. When they can tell us what causes the brain to start the process of moving my hand for no reason, theyll be closer to figuring it out.

Thanks for sharing these

I very much appreciate your posts - many thanks!

The hypnosis segment is hard to swallow. I always see hypnosis as consciously derived for motivated reasons, sometimes for attention on stage.

@vivi-fe5rj

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Looks to me like she was listening and conscious the whole time, and the results are from two identical sessions, being that she was conscious both times. Whether that consciousness played a role in the decision can't be determined through something as questionable as hypnosis.

@marycunningham6231

4 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time excepting Hypno sis, but I have tried twice and never been able to become hypnotized. At this point I can’t even say that it is real, for me it is not real. For others perhaps it may be real.

@silverbell6160

4 жыл бұрын

And in the squeezing when she wants part is biased as the subject also received the order to squeeze, she could pick when but she received an order nonetheless, that could affect the results

@dulcemoutinho1903

4 жыл бұрын

Not always.

@dulcemoutinho1903

4 жыл бұрын

@@marycunningham6231 only a 1% of the world population are hipnoticabel

This was one of the most thought-provoking videos I've seen in awhile. For a few years lately, I've been thinking how Benjamin Libet's discovery (our choices/decisions occur 2/10ths of a second before our conscious mind think it made the choice/decision) in terms of mindfulness. That's the practice of detecting thought entering your mind, exercising a veto power (if only to not think about it *this moment*, not worrying that it will reemerge in the next moment. Not worrying about the next moment. Just _now_, "there's a thought. I don't need to think about that right this moment."). Mindfulness could put us at that brink of 2/10ths of a second. The gap. The edge of subconcious. The point of emergence. It's interesting to think about our conscious mind being only 10% of our mind, and we feel like it's *monumental* to be able to exist (momentarily) at that point of emergence (from the 90%). It's weird, isn't it? We have a continuous self-talk narration of our "schmere" of moments, and that's just more of the 90% driving us in an unseen way. We practice putting ourselves at that brink of emergence (however briefly), and that's "enlightenment" (the 10% enlightened over the 90%?). It's humbling when you put it in perspective. I think this also ties into mental illness. The oft-stated definition "doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result." If someone's subconscious is fractured (dis-integrated) due to trauma as a child, etc., that's acted out in ways the person doesn't see. Those decisions/narratives emerge from the subconscious just like they do for "normal" people. It just doesn't emerge from the same turmoil of buried shame, anger, etc. Mindfulness is often helpful to the mentally disturbed, to be more aware of how this turmoil emerges within them (the "dark passenger" as Dexter referred to it). That leads to greater stress because that pattern of habituated narration is soothing, fills a purpose (a distraction). The person essentially disarms it with their observation. They have to replace a maladaptive coping mechanism (that ran on autopilot) with more "in the moment" (aware) ways of existing. Kurzweil and others have long-suggested we'll have brain implants to use google maps, and buy stuff on Amazon (even upload ourselves -- thought processes, memories -- to a quantum ai-enabled superintelligence. Someone's going to obviously design an implant to squelch the emergent (irrational) self. Will that be good? or bad? What would that be like to make decisions without the "backseat driver?" Would it be bewildering to knowingly make "rational" choices without the subconscious's contribution? Or, a relief? (I think that kind of existence is what mindfulness brings a person close to. Less blind trust & faith, more humility that we operate mostly on auto-pilot.). Regarding free-will & the young lady with the side of her head wired up (so her challenger had an advantage, seeing her subconcious choice before her conscious expression of it): I wonder what that would look like if she was informed that this is how it works. Could she "fake out" the challenger? Could she pledge to do the opposite of whatever she decides to do? What would that look like to the challenger? I feel like we don't have free will until we practice mindfulness. Then we exercise observation and a veto power over what we observe (watching the thinker inside us). That's made me wonder if this isn't related to quantum mechanics? If we don't observe our thoughts, we go along believing our lies and it either works out fine or not. It's just a random pattern that has more to do witht he past and how the past impacted us (what we became). If we observe it, then we have the power to chose which "slit" the choice goes through? The 10% of our mind can control the 90% just through observation. It's no longer just a random mess, but predictable and explainable?

@I_Am_Become_Light

Жыл бұрын

I think Libet's experiments reveal that the brain is indeed a receiver of consciousness, as opposed to a producer of consciousness. The body is an "avatar" that is being "played" by a unit of consciousness that does not exist in this reality frame.

@markfuller

Жыл бұрын

@@I_Am_Become_Light Dr. David Vago has studied this too. There is a Tedx video which I thought was very good.[1] "From birth to the present day, our self, *our experience of being someone* - our wants, our desires, our hopes, our values, our expectations, our whole self-identity - *is continually constructed by a string of moment-to-moment processes of selfing.* These moments can be further broken down into processes of *perception, sensory awareness & evaluation* - all of which happen on a time-scale of half-a-second (500ms)." Western academia discouraged him from studying mindfulness (being aware of the gap between construction of consciousness and experiencing it). Ten years later, the Dali Lama practically commanded him to continue his work as "the most important thing being done on earth." Lots of good points in that video. He divides the 500ms into 250ms spent on perception & sense awareness, and 250ms spent on evaluation. The latter half is where we tend to get stuck and continue the evaluation in the conscious mind (ruminating, narrating, self-talking). His studies showed that the more attention (presence) given to the first half (perception/awareness), the less hung up people were in the latter half (less prone to ruminating; letting "evaluation" continue on autopilot). From my own experience awakening, I really feel this 1/2 second gap between subconscious and conscious is huge. Everyone's walking around believing "I'm manufacturing or concluding my experience of reality" (when in fact they're watching a movie in their heads. Something that was largely concluded for them slightly beyond their control. The only control they have is to be aware of that, and exercise a veto power over the autopilot nature of the subconscious emerging our conscious mind. It's not really out of our control that way.). I think it's very interesting. 1/4 second doesn't sound like a long time. But, install VLC Player and play any video. Use the "j" & "k" keys to add 300ms delay between audio/video, and it's that's how out of sync we are with the subconscious mind. It's substantial (enough to know that we aren't experiencing reality consciously.). A ghost in the machine. (Then consider how the subconcious mind is 95% of the brain, conscious mind is only 5%. And then, we're typically distracted half the time. So, our conscious mind is typically only 2% of the brain.). It's bizarre how we walk around with an unstated belief/certitude/hubris that "I'm actively experiencing reality as it is." (Then consider how 95% of the universe's matter is unaccounted for. We can only see 5%. And then consider how a map of the universe looks a lot like a brain, with synapse connections. It makes me wonder if reality is recursive like a fractal. Maybe the universe is a brain, and our brain is a universe for infinite consciousness. A conversation better had over a bong. :) ). [1] Video title: _Self-Transformation Through Mindfulness | Dr. David Vago | TEDxNashville_

@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

We have free will. People forget that we have a soul, it is you, your soul that is reading this right now. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft and the pilot is the soul.................falundafa

@Irtechie

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't mean there wasn't decision at that point. So I am confused on what this was suppose to prove.

As usual, great stuff. My one criticism is that whenever you bring theology into the conversation it’s always western theology. The interesting thing is that eastern traditions mesh very well with the findings of quantum physics, along with the study of consciousness. I think it’s a disservice not to factor them in to the conversation. Narrowing theology to Judaism and Christianity misses the richness of not only eastern thought, but excludes Islam and its esoteric form of Sufism. I believe that including these ideas in the conversation will get us yet even closer to truth. 😜

@creativechristinaa

2 жыл бұрын

This is a great point!!

@autumn111155551

2 жыл бұрын

He does explore eastern religions in some of the episodes

@XenomorphTerror

2 жыл бұрын

Religion. For soft-minded individuals, afraid of non-existence. Ego death is nothing to mourn, nothing to fear, nothing to center your lifetime around a fairytale. What was it like before your birth? What will it be like after your death? Those questions are one and the same; Irrelevant. How many religions are there? Don't answer that, there are too many, and they're all false. There is nothing, aside from physics, which came from nothing, and heads towards nothing. Our civilization will collapse long before our natural extinction event, because of our hubris and hypocrisies. So many governments, so many cultures, so many conflicting ideals with which human beings will slaughter each other over. The outlook is bleak. I don't believe our species is capable of focusing on science above all. It's just simple to have nations of sheep 🐑 people. Everything our culture does is to mitigate the heavy existential crises that occurs when an intelligent individual has enough introspection to understand the lack of value, morality, etc. In a non-baised material universe. There are no Devine judgements. The moment our species figures this out, we can rip that band-aid off, and move forward in strides by striving for actual truth.

Good to see people of all backgrounds giving importance for this research, sure many of us are grateful for these documentaries

@firstlast9312

2 жыл бұрын

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@firstlast9312

2 жыл бұрын

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@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

We have free will. People forget that we have a soul, it is you, your soul that is reading this right now. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft and the pilot is the soul.................falundafa

Wow... one of the very best ever guest you interviewed. Thank you so much! 🙏💕

Robert Kuhn never stops to amaze me with his ability to compartmentalize his critical thinking and keep bringing in the subject of theology, aka purposely complicated superstition, into the debate and exploration of deeper questions of human existence with the existence of the world around us. Somebody who's claiming to have done a PhD in neuroscience(even though long time ago) is seemingly unable to come to the terms that these organized religious ideas and systems are nothing more than superstition gradually expanding into an organized system with cultural elements integrated into it. And not to mention the clear evidence of neuroscience that indicates the biological role these organized religions play in our collective and individual behavior. This troubles me to the point of losing some confidence on myself and questioning my own critical thinking ability and investigate whether I suffer from self delusions like Robert Kuhn by compartmentalizing my own critical thinking into areas where I rationalize abundantly clear evidence to find some emotional satisfaction by burying my critical thinking in selected compartmentalized areas.

@michaeljordan750

2 жыл бұрын

So, is the state of "Quanta" a "Superstition"? The FACT that a Quantum collapse is attributed to the very moment of observation. The State of Quanta knows ‘no’ distance, time, amount, boundaries; a sub-atomic particle is not even bound to event horizon (travels beyond the speed of light) in fact, duality is instantaneous. It was abundantly clear that Quantum Physics was going to create serious issues for those who are "too smart for God" … The Irony… Science has made the biggest case for a God or "Creator" scenario by providing unmistakable proof that we have no idea. Is Religion part of my argument? …No. Religion is an organized view on something that cannot be organized. Superstition is an irrational belief system based on zero logic. Placing a belief in the possibility that we have a “Creator" is no more irrational than the Science of creating a Human fetus within an artificial womb which is now "possible" according to Science and yes it is very real; If we can create Humans with nothing more than a copy of DNA, it isn’t exactly reaching when visiting the possibility that we were not "First"… Maybe we think we are "Smart" until someone smarter walks us to the front door 🚪 of "Answers" and our ego won’t allow us to admit we don’t always have the ANSWER.

@ddandrews6472

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeljordan750 It is not clear to me from the above whether you're trying to make a point here or what that point is, if that is the case. "The Irony… Science has made the biggest case for a God or "Creator" Science had done NO such thing. So, not sure what you're getting at here. Quantum mechanics has never claimed to support the notion of creation by a higher being. It opened up our minds to the idea of the illusion of the reality, at least in sub-atomic world. It is inevitable we bump into bizarre behavior like double slit experiment once we break down the physical matter(as we experience it) into smallest possible part and discover they don't behave the way we experience the observable macro world. Atom is our assumption nd theory. When it got to the point of not behaving like the macro world objects, we had to create quantum physics to deal with it. It has been a better option so far, than having to abandon the physical model of electrons, protons ,neutrons and plethora of other sub-atomic particles. You're confusing the totally superstitious idea of creation out of nothing by a higher entity that resides outside our reality has created us with the ideas of science(modern) has been doing with stem cells. I'm not sure what you are getting at by saying "If we can create Humans with nothing more than a copy of DNA". Stem cells, embryos, etc are much more than a copy of DNA. "No. Religion is an organized view on something that cannot be organized." How did that happen that the religion is organized view of something that cannot be organized? What is that "something" that you're referring to? Existential crisis??!! There are many other things that human mind has been grappling for ages that cannot be organized either, but we don't call them religion(s). Try this for a definition of religion(s) that has no complications. "Religion is nothing more than organized superstition or irrational belief systems that provide us a fantasy for the existential question as well as comforting part of cultural unity." Now, is that science that came out of judeo-christian tradition the same as irrational belief system of judeo-christianity? I am afraid not quite. Judeo-christianity has given the foundation of the world view to modern science that apparently started in the Middle Ages. But, science has this 'magic' where it can make reasonably accurate predictions as oppose to the superstitious stories of the judeo-christianity that have been hopeless with predictions of the natural world or human existence. No argument the judeo-christian story and view of the world and us, gives us some comfort in this difficult existence of life(at most times). But, not comfortable enough for some of us who happens to have inquisitive and critical minds. If you were trying to convince me the judeo-christian god is real, and as real as the physical model of the basic building blocks of the matter, you have not convinced me. However, do not get me wrong to think I believe in the atom and sub-atomic particles are real and they exist, because I am already aware it is theoretical model that we've created and it has been serving us well with our predictions of the behavior of physical matter. I am well aware that our physics is a result of dissecting the physical matter into smallest possible building blocks in our heads. The reality may be far more different and ultimately may not be knowable with our limited awareness of the world as we see it. (I am happy to admit to ignorance and happy to park it right there for now).

@hecticnarcoleptic3160

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaeljordan750 Quantum collapse is attributed to the moment of measurement, not observation. You got that bit wrong and woo woo mambo jumbo word salad followed...

@georgebernstein12

2 жыл бұрын

It’s always fascinates me when someone tells other people they are completely wrong when we know sooo soo very little. Until there is proof, you can only say somethjng is more or less likely. you cannot speak in definitives when talking about the machinations of the universe

@georgebernstein12

2 жыл бұрын

What allowed gravity to exist and start the Big Bang ?

This was a great approach to learn about free will, and our lack there of :]

@Peakfreud

2 жыл бұрын

In deed I just wish the quality of dialogue in the comments were of the same level. Very few people in the comments are worth engaging. I wonder why so much showmanship is default behavior in the comments?

Great discussion. Thanks for having it in here.

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen 'The Fall of Doctor Who' by Jay Exci? Even if your not a D.Who-Fan, you should give i t a try, cause it talks about Writing Techniques and Logic and more stuff.

@TheFos88

2 жыл бұрын

@@loturzelrestaurant er... I mean I am a fan of The Doctor, but what I'm the world does this have to with what I commented? Lol

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFos88 Randomness makes Life Spicey, i say.

@TheFos88

2 жыл бұрын

@@loturzelrestaurant I can't argue with that. Can I have a menu?

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheFos88 Sure! But without knowing your preferances (you may tell me) i can only make 'generally good' Recommendations. Stuff that many enjoy but in all cases are not the 'Rank 1' (cause recommending the literally most known thing of each Genre would be redundant).

Re: the hypnosis section - It's extremely dubious to draw scientific conclusions based upon the behaviour of test subjects who are ASSUMED to be under a state of hypnosis. That's just not good scientific practice. Same with those ice-water tests. There are too many variables to control for which could strongly influence the pain-resistance of the test subjects and give very different results.

@johnlombardo7816

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing although it made for a good section of the video..but it shows how one sided some people's minds are. They actually think that when they manipulate someone that that has some other causal effect than mind control!

@williepearl1412

3 жыл бұрын

W E

@williepearl1412

3 жыл бұрын

John Lombardo I am

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

Well first off you'd have to be compliant and cooperative to be "hypnotized" ( it WON'T work on unwilling subjects).... Those old movies that show people "controlling" other people's minds are just fiction.... Second once IN the "hypnotic" state one basically becomes a completely "malleable" consciousness ...meaning they are completely susceptible to outside manipulation( ever see those shows where the hypnotist actually makes people act like a dog or crow like a rooster,etc) apparently an effective tool for curbing habits suvh as smoking..drinking....lying...stealing....etc..... But it would have no other cause and effect than ANY other possibility within either ( hypnotized and hypnotist) actual range of possible outcomes...it would STILL be "fate" not to mention the hypnotized will NEVER become a dog in reality so far ONLY the perception of their reality would be changed ( NOT their reality itself)..... It WILL be inevitably apparent in the future as time reveals ALL TRUTH....however we will NEVER have "FREE WILL" and NOT EVEN freedom of choice because everything has a predetermined number of possible outcomes for EVERY single "experience" within their existence....this number is based upon a myriad of variables that certainly COULD be calculated by a stronger intelligence because it WILL ALWAYS be a limited number therefore "contained" within a predetermined parameter of THIS reality...... Even the "BIG g bang" was a REACTION from the one BEFORE it ....the ever expanding universe supports this theory....at the point its mass ( weight) become to great for it's infrastructure the universe( theoretically) will stop expanding and actually begin imploding into itself and the "contraction" phase would begin. ...all the way until everything within THIS universe is smashed together into a PERFECT molecule of singularity...at that very instant of perfection it CANNOT be maintained and BaNg it ALL starts over AGAIN lol....NOTHING CAN happen by chance...everything is constantly reacting to ANOTHER REACTION lol....even the universe we came FROM and exist within is NOT free....so how can anything within claim to be?...lol

@NotAPacifist825

3 жыл бұрын

@@frankmoser6251 and here i thought hypnosis was completely fake.

My all-time favorite documentary.

Robert said(I somewhat paraphrase), "This means our brain is making the decision, not us". That statement only makes sense Robert believes in(or self convinced) a self outside the brain. If the brain is you, then there is no you other than the feeling of you outside the body. This takes back to the consciousness question(whether it is an illusion or the subject you is real). Basically, freewill debate or exploration can wind up as the question of consciousness in the end. If the consciousness exists, then we may have to accept that the freewill exists as a blanket statement or some level or instances of freewill exists.

I think in the quantum world, the subconscious helps your conscious self once it knows your intention. Your free will is still intact.

@kirstinstrand6292

3 жыл бұрын

Knowing our intention evolves as we continuously evolve into greater Consciousness. And I concur that Free Will is in play.

I am aware of my intuition sending me Information about a third of a second before I make decision, from a higher level, but I also have the free will to go against my intuition. And that is when things go wrong. So it is best to be spontanious and go with the Intuition every time. The Mind is an alien decice overlay that hyjacs my free will.

@MrLaTEchno

4 жыл бұрын

.....so follow your heart

@ryanmodom

4 жыл бұрын

When you “go against your intuition” nothing goes wrong. it’s just an update to your previous intuition.

@paulpease1788

4 жыл бұрын

I couldn't have said that better myself....unless I hadn't thought about saying this before I think I finished reading the post before I really thought about it.

For myself once I understood I am a wet robot with no free will paradoxically I suffer less and become more compassionate and apparently more free.

I always like how people are so sure about their assumptions.

@johnmason6106

2 жыл бұрын

My problem with some of these researchers exactly

@secullenable

2 жыл бұрын

Especially the theologians, LOL

@leocarbaugh5074

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I could like it.

@garycohen2347

2 жыл бұрын

By def of the very word assumption , wouldn’t one #have to Be sure??, …else what would an Assumption be ?? How ya gonna Writhe and wiggle out of that one ??

@nonprogrediestregredi1711

2 жыл бұрын

@@garycohen2347 Well, in this context, there's the caveat to the definition of "assumption", which is that the belief is accepted without demonstrable evidence or proof. I believe the initial commenter was attempting to say that people will conflate assumptions with knowledge; I do not assert knowledge of their comment, however this is my assumption.

Great documentary!!! I think one of the best I have ever watched. I would like to pose an idea. Which is more phylosophical than scientific, although I hold a PhD degree in Industrial Engineering. For me, one of the most clear piece of evidence of the existence of freewill is the process of learning and improve our results in complex situations. Humans are able to analyze the factors involved in past decisions and decide to make changes in similar situations to improve the outcome of our decisions. In my view, the simple experiments shown in the documentary are too irrelevant and simple to conclude that freewill does not exist. The process of conscious learning to improve our skills is another story. Sometimes we fail and need to change several times our decisions in a chain of conscious iterations until we get a satisfactory result. That is freewill. We have to distinguish between complex decisions where many factors are involved and quick decisions. Maybe different personalities are also involved in the amount of decisions different people make quickly or considering several factors involved, thus through freewill. This could be a subject of future research. I have to tell that I am writing this without having finish to watch the video. I needed to write it to clearly convey the whole idea before forgetting any detail. Now I am going to finish it.

@burakdemirci9334

3 жыл бұрын

First i thought the same with you. Then i saw your comment and it give me chance to look from outside to my idea. I agree with you about the experiments shown in the video are too simple to analyse the free will. But on the other hand you are mentioning about concious learning to improve our skills (to think / to make a decision ) which is seems to give us freewill. On this point, i think it's an illusion to think that adding more information to our process of decision making gives us freewill. First of all the information (be it a self experience or external information) you'll add to your process will be limited with two constraints: 1. Your decision of which information(s) will be added up to process will not be independent. It will depend your past experiences and to your background. 2. Even if you decide to add all the informations in the universe to your process, this time there will be limitation of computation power. So i'm concluding that, if the decision process limited with information type and quantitiy, than we can't say we have or haven't freewill. We have limited degree of freewill intervals for different kind of decisions.

@rasanmar18

3 жыл бұрын

@@burakdemirci9334 Good point. Nevertheless, the complexity I have described does not only involves more information, but iterations. In this iterations, we are capable of changing the amount of information, the nature and number of variables, and we are even capable of changing the way we think about the problems we face, thus using a creative process that can last for even years. Think about the greatest advances in science and technology of our history. If it were only a matter of the amount of information, I would agree with you.

@burakdemirci9334

3 жыл бұрын

@@rasanmar18 ı see your point but why iterations wouldn't be just a parameter of the simulation? Of course there will be iterations in your mind if you designed as an intelligent agent in the simulation.

@juvetb1

2 жыл бұрын

an example is machine learning or AI. Each time they go through an experience, they get better. So does the machine or AI have free will? Second, are we really responsible for the learning? we know that actually, a lot of learning takes place when we are asleep. We think of ideas, make connections, and find meaning when we are not consciously aware of it. This might suggest that unconscious neural processing is at work. I broadly agree that we probably do not know enough about this to find a definitive answer at this moment (though I am convinced that the answer, as with all difficult problems, will emerge from science - because that's where evidence is tested and understanding is forged).

@tusharkaul6904

2 жыл бұрын

@@burakdemirci9334 You have Free Will. You are a true scientist. As a true scientist, not believing in Free Will, you have already given up to your Inner Mind, believing that no difference will be there by your conscious interference. Your Inner Mind is already in control. Your Inner Free Will is activated. Remember, as a true scientist, you have no choice but to give in to your Inner Mind, now. This instant. The transfer is complete. Henceforth, you would not be activating your Conscious Mind's Free Will. This is how it would be, henceforth. Back to Reality, you have Free Will, and that leads you to God, If you have Free Will, everything has Free Will. If everything has Free Will, everything has Consciousness. Like there is the Collective Consciousness of your body, there is the Collective Consciousness of the Universe. God is the Whole. Otherwise , you have already stopped consciously interfering.

1:19:25 I was thinking he looked like someone but couldn't figure out until he talked more.. When he says "yeah" and then goes on it's a lefty Super Dave Osbourne

Determination might have one or more chances. Like the statement," I just scaped death". Free will, might be embedded in determination and has one milli-second or more to decide or choose within its fate. Whereas consciousness is the section for experiences and the emotional escort. It's all one whole with several units. Like everything else has its embedded units.

I love this channel. I would love nothing more than to drink whiskey with Robert Kuhn and talk about theological misotheism after watching this episode.

Ahhhh, my brain is going to explode! I love this!

lol @ 6:58 Q: So do you see a lot of cross-pollination among these three areas of research [science, philosophy, theology]? A: Oh for sure, scientists and philosophers meet at several conferences each year, and both these two groups respect and value each other's research. Theologians: "Am I nothing to you?!"

@HASHHASSIN

4 жыл бұрын

fuq theologians :D

@robshaw7282

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too.

@AchievingLife

2 жыл бұрын

At least some good Comparative Religion Scholars and some Buddhist Scholars on Consciousness would be quite beneficial. So many of these question are/were/started/became part of the beliefs of many religious and spiritual traditions around the world.

I believe you are giving a certain amount of choices that are determined by your past choices so it's a little bit of both life is determined by your choices made in the past and you can choose to follow a different path even though you've been on one for so long.

@AchievingLife

2 жыл бұрын

I agree yet remain full of questions. Genetics seem to show why we may be more or less prone to like chocolate, have eating habits, etc. Genetics & History/Anthropology/etc seem to point that if our ancestors experienced famine that descendants are more prone to certain heath events. Getting some bad food, say chicken, and getting sick from it can change our preference for chicken. Even when we choose to live differently the question of Why... to which there is usually a reason. One question (of many) can be part of the mind/body problem --- does matter or mind have a greater role in the reasons (the causes) be it "free will" or if determinism in making the decision.

Marvellous man, appreciate a lot all of his work and his great mind. Thanks Mr. Khun.

From the Buddhist perspective anything we would call "Will" would arise dependent on conditions. Furthermore, freedom from suffering is realized by abandoning Dependence on Conditioned things. Take from this what you will.

@sweeptheleg1683

3 жыл бұрын

Why did you capitalize Dependence and Conditioned?

@peterwelsh1932

3 жыл бұрын

!EVERYTHING! is dependent on conditions. That is why there is no “freedom from suffering”. There is only to embrace the suffering. Take from this what will arise dependent on conditions.

@caricue

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterwelsh1932 You can eliminate mental and emotional suffering by eliminating desire. Desire and want is what leads to suffering in the mind. Physical suffering is a different animal.

@peterwelsh1932

3 жыл бұрын

@@caricue but after a lifetime and lifetime of desiring to be free from desire, it may occur to you that you have this all consuming desire to be free from desire. One of those old "gotcha!" "CATCH 22s" that The Ancients threw in there to F--- with us.

@peterwelsh1932

3 жыл бұрын

@@caricue butt yeah, still aim for that. Its an awesome noble goal. If we all made a tiny but of progress that way, it'd probably be enough to change everything

The experiment at 45:00 instructs the client to intend one way and change to the opposite at the specified time. I wish that instead they had told them to have an intention until the last split second where they may or may not receive a cue to decide whether to change your mind (and after indicate whether they had changed her mind or not).

@danniealexander4131

3 жыл бұрын

I was also thinking that was a weird phase of the experiment that I didnt quite get. They're just telling them to change their mind but it wasn't a mind change if it's a prior plan.

@frankmoser6251

3 жыл бұрын

At the very instant you'd agree to ANY "experiment" your (presumed) "FREE WILL" would be completely compromised anyhow....you'd be doing someone else's "WILL" to achieve a measurable and desirable result.....but even THAT TOO would be the reactionary result from ANOTHER predetermined "action" that led to the question at hand in the first place....so NO "FREE WILL" could EVER exist within THIS reality....for EVEN the universe itself is STILL "reacting" to the big bang" ( original event) that brought THIS reality into existence....the FACT that it is STILL expanding supports this FACT ( but even if it were contracting instead it would STILL be the inevitable result of the original "bang")..... And thus therefore EVERYTHING within it CANNOT" act" outside of this event....meaning ALL actions are just REACTIONS to the original "event" ( presumably big bang).... However the "big bang" itself was ALSO a REACTION to another predetermined and inevitable occurrence of so much mass that equalled so much weight of t actually couldn't support itself further and so began to collapse and implode into itself .....as it got smaller it gained momentum and thus gravity itsekf....eventually becoming a "singularity" or molecule that would be almost microscopic BUT contain everything within the universe ...at which point it could contract NO further and BaNG...it ALL starts over until the universe expands to the point it can NO longer support it's mass ( weight) at which point it will begin to implode and contract....NOW WHAT was the original "act"?..... Who knows.... Chicken or egg....either way ONE will ALWAYS" cause" the OTHER.....therefore NO FREE action WILL EVER BE within THIS reality of existence PERIOD....

Having struggled with addiction for 30 years, I have gained significant insight into this question from first hand experience. I am a Christian too. In the middle of my addiction and depression, it seemed that I had no freewill whatsoever. At the beginning, we are all free but when we choose to go down the wrong path, it entices us. Once we stimulate an appetite, there are neural pathways that are created in the brain, 🧠 causing us to go down that path over and over again. In that sense, I sympathise with those who may thing that we are not as free as we may think. However, to break an addiction, it is essential to believe that we have the freedom to do so. Breaking an addiction is hard. Very hard. Without the awareness of freewill, we have nothing to appeal to. Self-control is key and built on freewill. There must be something that you can do, as small as it is, to improve your condition. I was myself a compatibilist for many years. It is damning. I found it more beneficial to believe that I am free to choose to improve my conditions from where I am or free not to bother about things that I have no control over.

@liamcarter7597

2 жыл бұрын

Based on your story I don’t expect to be able to change your mind in any way, but none of the things you said as ‘evidence’ for free will actually made any sense. Even in a free will world view, free will is impeded by things like addiction, needing to use the bathroom, to simply being hungry. But free will is extremely illusory. Free will does not exist really to any degree. Every thought that you have that you believe grants you free will was given to you through a deterministic system. If you are suffering from addiction and you feel that you want to break addiction, it’s because your mind unconsciously controls you into wanting to break it. Your brain still thinks and would like to preserve itself. Your brain ultimately is what is addicted to the substance, not your ego. Even though it seems like you have a conscious craving for your substance, but that’s because your unconscious mind is telling you I need this I need this. You may even have withdrawal and your physical body tells you I need this I need this. I can elaborate on more if you’d like me to.

@just_bee9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@liamcarter7597 hahaha. I hope you don't expect me to buy into this. Have you ever considered the consequences of what you are saying on society? I get the naturalistic angle that you are coming from but I humbly beg to differ.

@liamcarter7597

2 жыл бұрын

@@just_bee9482 it’s actually proven that this mindset is more positive for society because in the tests where communities lived under the assumption that free will doesn’t exist finds that people tend to be more forgiving of others. I agree it is a slippery slope though when it comes to implementing ideas like that to the criminal justice system. Clearly I don’t think all people are COMPLETELY faultless for everything. But people are a product of their environment. You are an amalgamation of every experience you’ve had, every idea you’ve been exposed to, every relationship that you have had. And your brain, unbeknownst to you, manifests behaviors COMPLETELY based on the your previous experiences. You cannot escape our deterministic universe no matter how much you deny it to be true. You watched the video, you saw how there’s far more evidence in support of no free will. Almost all the people that maintained their position were just coping with the cognitive dissonance. Although I will say we still know so little about consciousness and other various brain processes; so the ambiguity of it does make it so I can’t really say these people’s opinions are unfounded. Because consciousness seems intuitive. But there’s just so much data that proves free will is an illusion.

@just_bee9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@liamcarter7597 don't get me wrong. I truly believe that you are an intelligent guy and very capable even though I still disagree with you. Granted, the state of our minds in this life is intrinsically linked to our brains, however, there is more to ourselves than just our brains as important as the brain is. Knowing this subtle difference is essential if one wants to beat a severe addiction. I don't believe that we are necessarily the result of our past experiences. The very same family experience can affect differently two kids in the same home. One can be completely shattered while the other is not phased by it at all. What distinguishes us humans, first and foremost, is our ability to choose, as I have indicated in my previous post. Of course, this ability to choose comes under threat when we have already awakened certain fleshy appetites. But even then, we can choose either to get help, whatever that means, or not.

@creativechristinaa

2 жыл бұрын

@@just_bee9482 Two children from the same home can have vastly different experiences not because their ability to choose, but because their inherent uniqueness. Even if they were twins, they still were not born at the same time, and they might be treated differently by their parents. Even if they are always together, they cannot physically be in the exact same place at the same time, the closest they can get is being next to each other, so even if they both experience something, they can never have the EXACT same experience, they will have different perspectives on the same experience. Over time, these small differences in their lives build up and give their brains different information on how to react and survive in the world, which is why twins can often have vastly different interests and personalities. Their choices are different not because they are both “freely” making choices, but rather because their brains are different, because of their different experiences. Neuroscience explains that we have “default-mode” processes and then we have the prefrontal cortex which is logical and rational. Usually we are in the “default mode”, but when our rational part of our brain takes over in active thinking, my theory is that it FEELS LIKE we are using our free will, because it feels like our mind is no longer stuck in our body. But I think the feeling of free will is actually just us feeling our brain move between these modes of thinking. I am like you, except for me it was realizing that I probably don’t have free will which helped me get over my addictions. I like to think that my “consciousness” is the front of my brain, which is smart and helps me quit smoking, whereas my “subconscious” is the rest of my brain, which is the part that makes me want to smoke in the first place, because it makes me feel like a slave to bad memories, social anxiety, trauma, etc. I think the important player here is information: when the front of my brain gets new information, it helps pull me out of bad cycles in the back of the brain. To me, it’s not scary to think that our feeling of “free will” is just our brain. In fact, it’s helped me feel like my problems are not the weight of the world. Not having free will, to me, means I dot have to walk around with shame and guilt, because though my problems are my responsibility, they are not my “fault”. Even the things that have been done to me were not truly the “fault” of others, but rather the way the world was supposed to work, because of the way the world affects all of our brains. (To be clear, this doesn’t mean I think we should have no consequences for bad behavior, I just believe our definition of “fault” is misleading.) This helps me empathize with the whole world, including myself, and has allowed me more healing than “free will” has ever offered me. I feel more connected with the world, and others, than ever before. The information that free will might not be real, has released me from negative cycles in my brain, and allows my rational brain to build new paths and build me a better life. To me, not having free will is NOT about having no control. To me, not having free will means everything has a reason, which means I can understand myself, others, and the world much deeper. Not trying to knock down your experience. Just wanted to put my perspective here so that you can see how others might see things or be affected differently. I think this just shows that it doesn’t really matter, to some degree, if free will is real or not, it only matters what we make of our experiences. As a compete amateur though, I do think that believing we have free will was helpful to humans evolutionarily.

How we work is of the most cleaver way. We do things that it seems like we are doing them by a freewill. In actuality it's our emotions making our decisions for us. Now what's cleaver about us is that we have a thinking brain that can rationalize things which can change what we do. It does not change our emotions it just produces another emotion that can change what we do by adding a stronger emotion or a new factor to the equation.

@jabber3303

3 жыл бұрын

To this view free will is nothing more than a form of conscious intelligence, i agree

"Choice," is only relative to choosing. Choice, in terms of spirit & Consciousness, is not a consumer option between two brands. This type of choosing, is the false choice - an incorrect reference point for understanding true choice. The true Choice, is to Choose Life over death - the blessing over the curse. It is in Man's failure to choose, entropy, chaos & death ensue. The "experiment" is us. The complexity of argument over this topic, has obfuscated the simplicity by which spiritual concepts may be known & understood.

@jonathanfrancis109

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. The elegance of both you and Pete's comments are paired perfectly with your handles.

Maybe you should try to tackle simpler questions first, like whether an entry door is pushed or pulled open (2:27)

@tagaway6173

3 жыл бұрын

Good catch!

@lighthousecharlie6712

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@primovid

3 жыл бұрын

@- GREENCREEPR ​Is it really an entry door that needs to be pulled from the outside or an exit door that needs to be pushed from the inside? That's a deep philosophical question

@orlandopammit6216

3 жыл бұрын

A very NOVEL DEVELOPMENT not only in UNDERSTANDING REALITY AS A WHOLE but more ESPECIALLY IN UNDERSTANDING our VERY OWN EXISTENCE as HUMANS through combining the capacities of both SCIENCE and PHILOSOPHY.

@stillclouds

3 жыл бұрын

@@primovid I think as humans we are the hinges that limit the potential of the doors to be revolving and only want it to be one way or the other and cannot grasp the infinity amount of options that could be.

the narration on this was clear and concise I appreciate not having to toggle on captions because they don't stay on .

@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

We have free will. People forget that we have a soul, it is you, your soul that is reading this right now. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft and the pilot is the soul.................falundafa

I'm trying to connect this to my 12step program... Where I'm being told that I am 'powerless over my addiction'. I need to meditate! 😁

@trafficjon400

2 жыл бұрын

Brains. plus addiction is proven Brain total control. Why 98% don't ever make recovery From AA NA. Wrong way spirit or what ever.

Conscientious remains unexplained and unknown, these theories are formed by the same minds that created the theories in the first place; therefore leaving them or the ideas as significant failures and none sequitur arguments. You cannot fix the problem with the same minds that created it. Albert Einstien

@damienrockstarthholyonofg3103

4 жыл бұрын

consciousness on the other hand is explained and very known

@williamdehner3968

2 жыл бұрын

That seems very Logical!😇🌜🌝🌛😁 This also explains a lot of other Subjects 🙏🕵️🙋👉😎👈🙏🙏🙏🙏

The Self is an illusion, therefore so is free will. What we are is actually the entire universe, the whole universe is one variable, not seperate entities. When we realize everything is one, we stop suffering, the illusion of the ego is what creates our feeling of free will, but if you within yourself, you can see that you don't even control your thoughts, everything is happening effortlesley and you are that effortless awareness. Awareness if not making choices it is just one big flowing happening. Does a river have free will? Anyways, once we figure out who Will is and how to free him everything should be alright.

@trishasuttles

3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense, I feel you put it in even better perspective than I have.

@luciferchrist8587

3 жыл бұрын

@Expose the cult of church of christ I like your moniker...I belong to the Church Of Verification, so once it's verified well believe it. However Cyrus Muduroglu typed in pretend knowledge...you know liken...I don't have the solution and must have one or I'm gonna go crazy...so they make it up...gibberish complete gibberish.

@steveschwartz6450

3 жыл бұрын

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@recyclespinning9839

3 жыл бұрын

So when a person makes a decision to kill, is that just the universe flowing? When a jumbo jets pulls up and fuels up with 35,000 gallons of fuel and spews out tons of pollution that's just all natural flow of the universe an we shouldn't worry about it??

@cyrusmuduroglu5114

3 жыл бұрын

@@recyclespinning9839 Yes, it is the just the universe harming itself, if we realized we were all the universe, none of these problems would occur in the first place. We would not need more, there would only be compassion.

My thought: Freewill is the ability or choice to say no or not to do something. Because if you do choose to do something, that something has already been laid out for you as an opportunity. If you choose to do it, you only chose something that was already there or presented to you.

@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

We have free will. People forget that we have a soul, it is you, your soul that is reading this right now. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft and the pilot is the soul.................falundafa

@WE_R_DNA

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffforsythe9514 Nothings Free and certainly not Will... LoL 🤣😜. For me to deeply think about freewill or any other deep question to this reality, I personally have to step away from the speculated or super natural world and leave that as a separate interest to study. I like to start clean with what has been discovered and try and look for the patterns to those puzzle pieces. For me it's more enjoyable. But the soul is a fun thing to think about and I forfeit to say that there are things that cannot be explained.

"TIME IS A FLAT CIRCLE"

@m_christine1070

2 жыл бұрын

Our reality is two dimensional. WE are flat.

Hawthorn effect. People tend to change their behaviors when the subjects know that they are being watched. They should have included that in their studies. Great documentary either way.

The simple way of looking at this is how you define free will. If you define free will as the ability to make choices then yes it appears we have free will. How ever when it comes to decision making do we really have free will? or the question is . do we make wrong choices? Rarely do we deliberately make wrong decisions on purpose. Our emotions dictate what choices we make the majority of times. Every decision is about a reward. the best decision is dictated by the best reward. And even when we make decisions that might postpone a reward it is still to achieve a greater reward. No one makes a decision that does not result in some reward. So due to this one would reject the idea of free will . One might argue that at times there are choices that are equal. But the person may still be more invested emotionally to one outcome.. That said any one can make a greater effort to become more aware of their feelings and desires so that they become aware that of their emotions that might drive their decision. Becoming aware of how our feelings effect our decisions cn give us the ability to have true free will. Especially when we realize that our emotions are not objective.

@dulcemoutinho1903

4 жыл бұрын

We make decisions based on information that we already possess.

Just because God knows what decisions you will make.... doesn’t mean you still can’t make them. I have observed many friends and family confronting a decision, and I would say I know exactly what they’re going to do. We are not hard to figure out.

My free will lead me to watch this video. It was fascinating. Human beings are very special no matter how or why we can to be on this big rock.

Decent documentary. I'm certainly glad it's out there. This is an issue largely ignored by prevailing culture, and even encounters violent opposition because it makes people afraid that without everyone being judged and feeling guilty and ashamed of their actions they're all gonna be murderers, which just isn't true. If we acknowledged that we lack this agency, we could look at the actual causes of negative behaviors, instead of making it a moral issue. And that's why it is important that we both ask and answer this question vocally, and why I'm glad that this doc exists. Thanks to the participants, even the detractors. Though I feel your viewpoint is greatly in error, I also believe that the most important and fundamental pillar of a free society is a spirit of open and honest debate.

@roberthutchins4297

2 жыл бұрын

I´m sure the people who made this, and other, documentaries will be delighted that an " Eric Bird" considers that they did a decent job. I hope he might find time in his crowded schedule to explain the meaning of "gonna". Is it a medical term? I believe that there is no such thing as "free will". Our apparent some-time ability to choose depends entirely on our brain and heredity. Others may not know what we´ll choose, but it will always be the same in any given circumstances. It must be so, because the alternative would be randomness.

@ericbird9078

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberthutchins4297 Thanks? You've never heard the word "Gonna"? It's pretty common. We "Eric Birds" are known for our insight. I gotta ask (there's another one for you) were you trying to argue against what I said, or just to indicate that you think I should be aware that my opinion is not important to the film makers?

@roberthutchins4297

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericbird9078 No - I was just in a bad mood. Of course, all our opinions are of supreme relevance and importance. To ourselves. Usage of "gotta", "gonna" etc in a piece of text is debatable. Certainly, most purists would find it irritating. The introduction of childishness into an otherwise interesting topic. I do find argument about free will strange. To me, it seems obvious that it does not exist in any meaningful sense.

@ericbird9078

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberthutchins4297 you're right. I forget how formal this format is. My apologies.

@ericbird9078

2 жыл бұрын

@@roberthutchins4297 again. We seem to be in agreement about free will. I disagree, however, that it's a settled matter. Our entire society is based on an idea of personal responsibility that is incorrect. Should we not address this?

Over time, I've learned there are a handful of topics that are so very deeply held for most people. These topics are so sensitive that even questioning them will trigger most people. (1) Freewill - the idea that you might not really be in control of yourself, your thoughts or your choices (2) Being unique and distinct from other humans. People are strongly resistant to overwhelming evidence that they are, largely, predictable and non-mysterious. (3) Self-agency. People get really triggered by the idea that they might not actually know what is best for themselves. Wonder if other people have noticed these along the way.

@kabirchoudhary1359

3 жыл бұрын

bro this is THE EGO

@danielharris9403

3 жыл бұрын

Determinism is a choice while free will is determined; to successfully decipher the two is to differentiate imagination from perception, which are both ultimately the same.

@gstylez0107

3 жыл бұрын

Free will doesn't exist. We are cogs. Environmental factors determine every choice we make. The universe is a series of cause and effect. This comment I'm writing was already determined once a specific arrangement of atoms flung in a specific direction towards a specific well of gravity at the very first moments of the universe..

@danielharris9403

3 жыл бұрын

@@gstylez0107 So it is predetermined that Nothing is the Something that comes from Nothing? I'd rather think electromagnetism has the Free-Will to make that choice.

@gstylez0107

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielharris9403 What are you talking about? Electromagnetism? Nobody is arguing whether natural forces have free will.. You're talking about the free will of god/the universe, that is not the classic argument of determinism. The argument is whether or not concious beings posess free will. Not whether god himself or the universe has it.. We don't even know god exists, we only know that we exist and our own conciousness is the only thing we can be certain of. We either have free will to change the course of our reality OR we do not and our choices are influenced by the environmental forces imposed upon us.. THAT is the arguement. So whatever gibberish you're on about sounds like nonsense to me..

my take from this discussion free will is given to an individual only if it doesn't have an effect on the grand plan, indicating to me that there is a predetermined outcome and we do not have the free will to change that outcome. that's tough. brings me back to the question, why are we really here

Wow, thank you for the in-depth discussion of the topic. I think we all have free will! I the reason for the lag in timing between the brain's preference to a choice and our consciousness of that preference is because we are abstract entities (spirit, soul, ether, energy, however it is called) that interact with the the physical world through our brain (body), which materializes in our consciousness of the environment. Therefore, we, as abstract entities process the data and send it through the brain which translates it into our consciousness. We are able to quickly make changes to that decision on the level of our consciousness without immediately involving our subconscious just as reflex actions can occur in our biology without the initial involvement of the higher brain centers. I am not a strong believer in God (at least not the Christian way), but I do strongly consider the existence of higher being(s). On the concept of God being omniscience, I think it can be interpreted in the sense that God created us into a limiting environment with several choices, and each choice has specific resulting effect. So God knows in advance the turn up for each choice we make but it is in our free will to make those choices. Based on that God can know exactly where we would be and what we would be doing in 10 years from now because God has access to all the data, not just our own. We can relate that to using Google map to navigate our way, you know where each route would lead if you choose to take them. The map gives you access to information concerning almost all routes even the ones that does not concern your destination... Even as humans we can predict someone's choice if we know their past choices (behavior) and we most often make our choices based on what we hope to achieve. That is to say our past choices present us with the current options, but we most often make our choices (decisions) based on our desires for the future. My main puzzle is the origin of desires/preference. For example, why would one person just naturally love blue color while the other person just naturally love red color? Or to rephrase it, why would blue color be very much appealing to one person while red color is very much appealing to another person, when both colors activate the same brain centre and probably involve the same level and interaction of biochemicals? Could it be the Genetics of our abstract being? I'd really appreciate it if you can create a content on this issue. Thank you again for your interesting and exciting contents.

@jeffforsythe9514

Жыл бұрын

We have free will. People forget that we have a soul, it is you, your soul that is reading this right now. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft and the pilot is the soul.................falundafa

Can't make my mind up about this.!

@sarahsimmons76

3 жыл бұрын

Like you had a choice 🤣

@thesavantart8480

3 жыл бұрын

@Thomas Annulis Determinism rules!

We are animals, and we make decisions like other animals and other beasts do. If we are free, every being that makes decisions is free is the same sense - or not. We are dominant, not different.

@Peakfreud

2 жыл бұрын

That's interesting, not sure I agree But it's a fair perspective.

P.S. I can't very well leave any site without leaving a comment... it's in my DNA. So at the tender age of 74, here's my take on the discussion. First, I've studied just about every philosophy from Christianity to Buddhism to even Scientology (yes, I'll try practically anything to get at the truth). But the ONE THING I've taken away from every religion and philosophy is this: People will always gravitate to the one they feel has the most revelance to them, regardless of the consequences. But the only ones that I feel are truly powerless are the ones born into certain religious groups, who have no real ability to simply decide for themselves, like myself. That's why I believe that Buddhism may come closer to this ideal than any other I have explored, reason being the one provided in this exquisite podcast - they simply believe that if something has worth it should be shared, but not forced or mandatory. For example, in the Christian tradition I was raised in, there is absolutely no room for any other religion or philosophy whatsoever. It's either, "my way, or the highway." Using Jesus as their icon of choice, if you don't believe in Him, you're going to spend eternity in a very hot place, which leaves quite a lot of humanity, ironically, out in the cold. I have found the use of this high-handed belief system to be the exact antithesis of "Free Will," and in fact, the death of anything resembling it. This is the precise definition of "Religious Superiority," which I cannot countenance under any circumstance. Also endemic in the practice of Abrahamic religions, like Islam and Christianity, is that active "conversion of the masses" is not only welcomed but encouraged, and as history serves, often at the end of a sword or rifle butt. In my estimation, this kind of behavior is unexcuseable, which is why I left all organized religion to follow my own path. Anyhow, that's my Two Cents. Anyone else care to share their thoughts?

You will feel free and you can gain happiness.

Each of us has a "decision maker", know as free will, which makes us responsible for each decision, good or bad! Hopefully learning to make better choices with each choice!

@dannyvalastro2974

3 жыл бұрын

There is no fucking free will do you have a choice who you are born of you were born Hitler you would have made the same choices he made and killed 6 million people

@jasonreidinger4574

3 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty emotional response I would think an intelligent creator wouldn't feel that way about himself. Assuming he's in the driver's seat. If it's not you then who could it be better yet why

@jasonreidinger4574

3 жыл бұрын

Oh and Free Will is given once born just like Adolf Hitler wasn't born a dictator either

@star_1_man214

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannyvalastro2974 I can't believe you are making an excuse for Hitler's atrocities? Oh, the devil made me do it! No, that sick f#ck did make a decision to kill 6 million people! To blame anything or anyone else is just ignorant!

@star_1_man214

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonreidinger4574 Was he was born with a shitty mustache and just decided to keep it? Did you you decide to write this stupidity or were you just born this way?

The Basis of Free Will is Formed by THE POWER OF HUMAN SPEACH & THOUGHT...

I flip a coin when I have important decisions to make and then I go full steam on what ever comes at hand..

I think we don't have complete but partial free will in the sense that we need to think within in the framework of time, space and causation. Yet inside that framework, we are free to choose our thoughts and actions. It is just like saying every leaf in the tree is different if we go to details but they are same in the sense that they all follow same pattern of shape and colour.

I've always thought that if the universe is mathematically quantifiable from the singularity forward.....there is no such thing as free will. The universe is evolving according to the rules set about from the beginning. Maybe I'm wrong, but if you can do the math (no matter how ridiculously difficult or complex) then it is all unfolding in a predetermined manner.

@sopanmcfadden276

2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you that fate would have to go back to singularity but it's more mathematics than could be recorded by mankind. Is something material if we can't calculate it?

@DCronk-qc6sn

2 жыл бұрын

So, we can enjoy the ride or invent gawd. I like the ride - take the pressure off and it is quite pleasant.

@georgebernstein12

2 жыл бұрын

But what allowed gravity to kick start the Big Bang?

@DCronk-qc6sn

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgebernstein12 Agency may not be required.

@SiEmG

2 жыл бұрын

welcome to determinism

Which is more likely: 1) the mind changes the universe; or 2) the universe changes the mind?

@Bix12

4 жыл бұрын

The answer to that is "YES"

Thank s for this videos :)

There's a big difference between determinism and the ability to predict behavior with a high degree of accuracy. A much more meaningful experiment than that first experiment with the girl in the hospital bed would be to try to predict human behavior when the the subject is _aware_ of what you're trying to do, they stop caring about "winning" a competitive game with rules, and they make a conscious effort to behave unpredictably. Otherwise, it seems more like an experiment that's showing how highly predictable human behavior is in a contrived scenario, rather than an experiment that's attempting to prove the fundamentally deterministic nature of the universe. Intuitively, I feel like determinism and free will are not mutually exclusive and exist simultaneously. If you could somehow collate the totality of information about a given individual, including their genetic information. their personal history, all of their experiences, their temperament, reflexes, coordination, areas of confidence or lack of confidence, their self-image, their thought processes, current areas of attention, focus, distraction in their life, etc., etc., you could probably predict their behavior in any given scenario with a high degree of accuracy-but that doesn't change the fact that said individual is arriving at their decisions freely, that they still have agency, and that they are responsible for their actions in any given scenario.

Free will and just ONE being in the universe who knows everything that we'll do, cannot exist at the same time. Its either one or the other.

@paulheinrichdietrich9518

4 жыл бұрын

It is funny how it was Augustine who discovered this.

@nicholaswion846

4 жыл бұрын

However, that rests primarily upon the assumption that the classical perception of Time, is in any way a valid concept. The biblical "Prophets" are not presented as individuals gifted with precognition, but instead recipients of communication. It hardly requires an all knowing supreme being, to find humans to be laughably predictable, nor would such a being require certain knowledge of all future events and choices, in order to express its own intended actions. Not even God could be expected to be able to perceive something, if it does not actually exist in the first place.

@FR-yr2lo

4 жыл бұрын

nope. no free will. simply illogical.

@ryanpford77

4 жыл бұрын

it's Both and .......

@futuraguysuntzuphilosophy7181

4 жыл бұрын

Then how do we grow? How do we find per pose in a world that see’s man as an accident or made by God? They are equal and the same! Their isn’t good or evil, just actions and Circumstances!

10:36 if that voice were coming out of the guy with the glasses, we'd have a grand unified theory and the riemann hypothesis would be solved.

@MrGodofcar

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

@michaelbeary

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrGodofcar the guy with the glasses looks like einstein, the guy wthout the glasses sounds like einstein. If they combiend their forces they'd be like voltron.

Obviously that questioning free will reinforce the facts that free will is very powerful and real.

I have just found out that free will is just an illusion.

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of truth. 2 Titus 3:7

@ProphecyOfAlice

3 жыл бұрын

Because each person holds their own true story, which is not the same as truth

@magicpotion8

3 жыл бұрын

It’s actually 2 Timothy 3:7

Free will and destiny much like the chase of yin following yang around a circle of this human experience seeking our spiritual oneness, we will find the I that is we when we arrive at the beginning and know it for the first time. Love the journey.

@AzzGoblin

3 жыл бұрын

Allan wats would have a thing or two to say about it 😂😂😂

P1) We have a will (wants/desires). P2) Our wants and desires are formed by external stimuli (prior causes). C) Causality is required for a will (of any kind) to exist. Therein lies the problem with applying acausality as a prerequisite for the existence of _free_ will; it entails the commision of the logical fallacy of asking too much, as doing so necessarily negates the possibility of the existence of _any_ will.

Lawrence, I have watched most of your interviews on Free Will, although perhaps not all, and as far as I can see there is one omission. That is, although you often mention consciousness, I have never heard you discuss the quality of an individual's consciousness. To the effect that a person's level of awareness of what is happening in their consciousness will affect their potential to engage their Will.

"Free Will' is a human construct in this 3D reality. In higher dimensions there is no time.

@stormysampson1257

3 жыл бұрын

What has created your hypothesis, Yogini? There is no time in 'higher dimensions'?

@yoginipatrice7992

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormysampson1257 Yes, time as we know it (linear) does not exist outside this dimension. I learned this from my OBE in 2013 and have since confirmed it with my research and studies. Quantum physicists support this notion. It's rather mind-boggling!

@stormysampson1257

3 жыл бұрын

@@yoginipatrice7992 O=? B=? E=? Overcome by Events? PTSD? We humans only are able to exist in 3-D. I don't think nature wasted any resources for humans to be able to imagine or see or know another dimension. I am glad you think it is all rather mind-boggling because I do as well!

@stormysampson1257

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know about time dilation from Earth to Space and Distance? Time slows as we LEAVE EARTH. So very many hard fiction novels deal with this FACT. Fascinating stuff. You leave you come back to earth looking no older than you looked when you left and all your friends, family look 20 or 30 years OLDER and/or DEAD. One is able to SEE the clocks slow down the further one gets from this planet.

@yoginipatrice7992

3 жыл бұрын

@@stormysampson1257 OBE= Out of Body Experience. Yes, our human bodies can only exist in 3-D but we are only humans temporarily. We are spirit beings (electromagnetic plasma) and that is our real self. We (our spirit) never dies.

Choosing between a choice of possibility isn't free will.

@OTPpride

4 жыл бұрын

-OK Internet- that’s surely exactly what it is. Your free will is the ability to trade it for action. Your ability to trade your will for action exists within the boundary of existence and the rules of existence. Remove those and you lose free will, for you lose ability to trade your will, because you are not bounded within a space that allows it.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

4 жыл бұрын

@@OTPpride You choose chocolate because, for some reason, you prefer it. Why would you choose vanilla? To prove you have free will? Then the reason you chose vanilla is determined by your attempt to make a point. Thus you are immediately defeated.

@OTPpride

4 жыл бұрын

REDPUMPERNICKEL you are not explaining reality

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

4 жыл бұрын

@@OTPpride "Choosing between a choice of possibility isn't free will." When confronted by a fork in the path and you don't know (or care) where you are going, there is always some thought complex that drives you down one path rather than the other. Yes, you could have chosen to go the other way but that would have required a different thought complex. You choose what you choose because of your configuration. There's nothing free in that.

@OTPpride

4 жыл бұрын

REDPUMPERNICKEL you are never simply confronted by a fork in the road. That is an analogy but it does not capture the complexity of the human being and the extraordinary power of your ability to trade your will for action. How you choose to manifest your ability to choose is up to you. Many things will try to break that will, and addiction and human weakness and fragility could reduce one over time to the mass of mutating cells you describe us as. We are not computers and we are not simple animals. We are agents of will too, and while we have a large part of us that is genetic compound, there are other parts that are inexplicable, and other parts that are truly individual. Every new life never existed before in that exact form and never will again. Their choices will determine whether they carve out a powerful individual forged by their will, or become dominated by the things that arent unique to us, but common. We don’t always use it as we might potentially learn to, and the reality of choice can utterly paralysing, but we are powerfully conscious beings living in a highly complex world with layers upon layers across a vast multi dimensional plain. We don’t know everything, but that’s the game. Wisdom, knowledge, action. Master all three and form them into a unique and never before seen pattern and you will see your invisible conscious force of will manifest and change the physical visible world around you. Magic!

The exercise of will is an action that causes other actions.

When I type I am unconscious of the movements of my fingers. I can read out loud a fairy tail from a book to my child, while my thoughts are elsewhere and I don't even know what I am reading. These first hand experiences suggest that our consciousness, cognitive capacities and will are more hierarchical the terminology and models used in some of the scientific experiments. // Very true that consciousness is caused and cause as well, and imagination, self control are the domain where we encounter free will at work. //. The relationship to moral and development was a fascinating aspect.

@kabirchoudhary1359

3 жыл бұрын

i think that is because your brain can go in autopilot mode